[000:00:00;00] will he repeat them in the eyes of the seats oh good news, although on the bitter soil of cyber, well, the raiders, together with the law enforcement agencies of poland, detained something that resembles looters. maybe even worse. so, they were extorting money from the residents of the frontline regions, who were planning to leave the war zone in including from bahmut and coal, mainly they gave out their false promises to disabled people and parents of minors. so they took, well, at least they disclosed this. now our colleagues will structure it, we will say goodbye to you with zantin and further glory to ukraine is a program, my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. today, april 10, 411 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, the occupiers in bakumut

switched to syrian tactics of scorched earth, said the commander of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, oleksandr syrskyi, who visited the city. meanwhile, the cnn television company reported that ukraine changed its military plans due to the report and the leak of secret documents of the pentagon. on april 9, the department of justice of the united states of america began investigation into the leak of a huge number of american intelligence documents that were published on social networks during the last few weeks, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of april 10, russia lost 178,820 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed at the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost 6 pyatogorks in ukraine, 3,637 tanks , 7,028 armored fighting vehicles, 2,750

artillery systems, 534 reconnaissance systems volley fire 282 anti-aircraft defense equipment 37 airplanes 292 helicopters 5607 units of automotive equipment 18 boats boats 911 cruise missiles 2323 drones 311 units of special equipment about how the russians are turning bakhmut into a but who foils the counteroffensive to the armed forces of ukraine and who leaks secret documents about of the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the spring of this year. well, and how everyone and lukashenko is trying to balance or at least curtsey towards moscow. and what will come of this?

o'clock, i want to introduce today's first guest - this is colonel sbu, people's deputy of ukraine , secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on national security, defense and intelligence, roman kostenko, mr. colonel , good day, good health to you, and thank you for joining our broadcast. good day , let's start with this first the scandal that is currently gaining momentum in the united states of america, in particular, regarding the leak of secret pentagon documents, cn has already reported that ukraine has changed its military plans due to the leak of top-secret documents and these top-secret documents tell the elements or at least contain elements of how ukraine will organize a counteroffensive, if you look at what the american press writes , it is top news for the americans. that is, it is one of the biggest news of the american press and

obvious of american society and how do you , mr. colonel, evaluate this whole story with the documents with the adjustment of our plans. ukrainians and partners, well, based on what i see in the story , if i talk to people, including from the special services, this is a real leak of information, the question is how deep it is and how controlled it is there. special is it really, shall we say, the merits of russian intelligence that we see that he really was, russian intelligence received this information, they slightly adjusted these documents and executed them in order for us

to see the main thing here well, really, in order to disrupt our plans if we show that they know about them, the question here is how deeply they know it and how often, or is it a one-time promotion, or do they often receive this information, and how often do they have enough until now, about this information. well, about statements we see that the united states, they did not declare that this is information that this is not true, they continue to investigate how deeply it all happened and also, uh, authoritative changes, including from yanen, who writes that ukraine is now changing plans - this is what i think about it only our commander-in-chief and the commander-in-chief know there, but ours and the president's office. we remember there he already talked about the fact that it is like photoshop and our main intelligence directorate says that it is photoshop.

which really confirm that we will figure out how serious this leak was. i think that now it really is a serious blow to the authority of the united states, to the authority of nato, and indeed this one will be dealt with at the state level. i think at the level of the special services and, in particular, many allies and in nato and uh, first of all, and in general, those who see such an attack, they need a direct reaction now. they will need to somehow make sure that there will be no more of such types, this is what concerns our partners , how will it affect us, well, if this is really information, now, after calculating this information , it really has at least some really correct data . and there is information that it is really russians. well, there were correct data, the ones from the universians, so

we really have to somehow adjust our plans regarding the implementation of any actions, will they be offensive or defensive, or what will there be in general, there will be replenishing us with ammunition , changing the scheme, and replenishing us, and weapons. therefore, this is serious, it is serious, it leads to a big scandal, let's say, big changes, and i say once again that the main thing is to find out whether or not they have no further opportunity to obtain this information . by the way, the fact that ukraine changed its military plans due to the leak of this secret information was reported by cnn, referring to one of the sources in the close circle of volodymyr zelenskyi, on the eve of this during this, the secretary of the national security and defense council was asked about this, too, that this will be a counteroffensive. and what, how will it all unfold? we know that ms. hanna malyar, the deputy minister of defense of ukraine , said that it is not necessary for everyone to comment

on this. who needs some kind of silence, tells him that there are at least 5 or 6 people in the world who know about the counteroffensive, a maximum of five or six people , mr. romana, are you among these five or six people who know when the counteroffensive will be and about the plans of the armed forces of ukraine without details, look, i think what mr. danilov meant, it can't be like that, the information is closed, who in the world knows about it , there are five people, i know much more , for example, there are many more involved, directly to whom this information is transmitted, for example there are people like the supreme commander-in-chief, the commander-in-chief, the chief of the general staff there. i have already counted more of them on my fingers than i think there are in the office of the president and the president's confidants also know clearly because we understand

what kind of relationship there is. but i have people who develop you are also known, but there are also people, how to call them correctly, friends who understand where he will be, who are there according to the analysis, according to the fact, and you understand, but they do not have this sign, so i think that it is so uh-uh about this approximately the directions know there is a certain amount a little more than five people, but to talk about where exactly he will be, well, no one can, and i am here , in principle, on the one hand, you can agree with the painter, and on the other hand, every expert has the opportunity. well, he can tell so that our people understand what we have in general plan and where are they will be specific, it will be all right, you, you, uh, our training or the head of the general will make the decision. well, the enemy will think about different directions and will prepare for different directions. although i will say

that in our time, technology is the time of satellites, the time of unmanned aerial vehicles the time of the internet, the time of the development of intelligence networks, all the more so as the russians have their uh tentacles here enough in our uh, our country in uh, let's say they poured quite uh deeply now it is very quite difficult to hide the main directions for active hostilities therefore, it is possible to somehow encrypt it, but to the end. i think it is unrealistic to do it not to us, not to the russians , the leader of a private military campaign, wagner yevgeny prigozhin estimated the number of ukrainian troops before the counteroffensive at 200-400 thousand personnel, he says that the counteroffensive will begin like dry soil and the necessary weapons will arrive to the ukrainian soldiers we will hear and see

a beautiful story , additional jokes, where is the boy often , they have collected about 200 hundred thousand electricity , you know that's not all, mr. colonel, the russian propagandists are already hysterical about to russian television about this counteroffensive, er, russians have a complete idea according to your er, what awaits them literally in a few weeks well, we see that they themselves say that we cannot be underestimated, and that is already correct,

because they understand that once they already they didn't appreciate us, it was at the beginning of the full-scale invasion on february 24 and before that. they really didn't appreciate the morale-psychological aspect, not the army, not our allies, and therefore they didn't have practical success. by success, we don't mean the success they were counting on, they didn't get it now and apparently 10% of the success they wanted now they are trying for success submit what they got as a result of some of our shortcomings of our leadership at the beginning of the war, let's say so, that's why they understand that we have new equipment, they understand that we are preparing reserves, we are preparing brigades, but let's say, i think that of course this leak of information. you may have given them a bigger picture to understand and it's always bad. why don't we have enough, when we will have deliveries, let's say so, it will make them react to these actions sooner, maybe by themselves

to start a counteroffensive as soon as possible without waiting for all this to reach us or vice versa if they wanted to start their counteroffensive unprepared, they will see these graphs that are there and will understand that they still have some time for more serious preparation, so once again i say the leak of this information if really it took place, our partners say, and as they say in the mass media , it will have a rather negative effect on the theater of hostilities. stated that the occupiers in bakhmut switched to the syrian tactic of scorched earth, the enemy switched to the so-called syrian practice of scorched earth , destroying buildings and positions with air strikes and artillery fire, the defense of bakhmut continues, the situation is difficult but controlled, mr. colonel, mr.

general said about the fact that the russians switched to the syrian tactic of burning the ground, but this tactic was already used in mariupol, that is, it is a common tactic for them not only in syria but also in ukraine because we we saw how they destroyed the volnovakha, we see what they are doing to the cities and villages in donbas, that is, they are deliberately creating this gray zone between russia, relatively speaking, and ukraine , that is, they are specifically burning this land so that no one lives there at all, and nothing grows there. there was nothing there at all. that is, it is a deliberate practice of creating this gray zone , which military experts talk about quite often. well, i think that here is a little different than the syrian company, why now? now i will try

to explain the syrian campaign of the russians simply they destroyed populated areas with their aviation and artillery, and let's say there were very few such, there were no such massive assaults directly and they only attacked when they saw that everything was already destroyed, they did not spend there how much personnel how much well, for example, they spend now how they work here directly i yesterday i spoke with the military, for example, we have a line of defense that goes along the bahmut over some high-rise buildings there, they have infantry in front of them, it rests on our strongholds, there is some house yes, which is our the guys destroy this infantry, the enemy transmits the coordinates, and after 10 minutes, all the artillery just works on our positions

, destroys this house that we are defending, destroys it, our guys there, who leaves, there are wounded, and then comes a new wave of infantry. ours destroy them and again they will transmit the coordinates again. this house is trying for the time of the earth , that is, they are sending their infantry to reconnoitre, after that the artillery will destroy these strongholds in which our attack units, the tactics they are using now, that is, mr. colonel, they are just uh, with a human shield , they just make their way forward , right , i understand. you are discovering new points. this is their tactic now, it is a bit not syrian, but the result is of course the same, and the cheese is the destruction of cities, the destruction of infrastructure and, in general, the destruction of everything

where there may be points of fire to what extent, mr. colonel, holding the city of bakhmut remains expedient in the current situation, taking into account the fact that , as eyewitnesses say, they have already thrown in some special forces of special forces who are already a new party, i.e. it is not just the wagnerites , they are armed to the teeth, well, at least this is what the people who are there are talking about, that is, they are obviously throwing these forces there in order to take bakhmut and at least one city . i have my point of view, but i will say that if golovko's command considers it inappropriate, because he directly has all the information, and in principle, it is his responsibility and he should do it, even from

one side, we can see what is going on there, you can say it is necessary withdraw the troops to reserve positions from the other side, as a military man, we can see how much of the russian troops we are tying down in the direction of bakhmut, and the enemy is holding a large number of them there , and if we think about the prospects for a counteroffensive , i would not, for example, align these units in order that if we strike in another direction, let's say they were hidden in this direction, what tactics did the commander choose, this is his right, he has, he has, he is responsible for it and he decides it last week, mr. colonel, nato expanded even more per participant, it became finland 1,300 km of common border of the new common border of the north atlantic alliance with the russian federation, that is, a complete foreign policy fiasco of vladimir putin

instead of the kremlin e-e announced that on tactical nuclear weapons will be placed on the territory of belarus starting from july 1, there are some storage facilities being built, although there are photos that were online there, these storage facilities are still similar from soviet times, e.g., the entry of finland into nato, and in the future, sweden, too, and the placement of tactical nuclear weapons of nuclear weapons in belarus, how will it affect the course of the russian-ukrainian war , because we remember that putin said that our main goal is to replace the nato countries and nato as a structure and push them back to the borders of 1997 , well, at least those were the illusions in putin to what extent will the accession of finland and sweden to nato affect the course of the war and the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons in belarus

well, here in general we remember the goals of the special operation named by the president of the russian federation. as he said that the goals were actually directly , not counting those that he tried to achieve demilitarization in ukraine. we remember the denotification . well, for the expansion of nato and the fact that ukraine does not become a member of the ato, as a result, you are right, he receives another 1,000 well, more than a thousand kilometers of the border with nato, sweden is joining nato, this is a complete fiasco of any kind of diplomacy in general, if it can be called the russian federation, it’s bad that the people of the russian federation perceive all this and, uh, it ’s normal to live with it, if i see that their president and their summer are dragging them just into the pit from which they will need, i don't know, at least a century to get out on the condition that he leaves. but they just accept it as normal

, living in poverty and er, i think that's what they need , they just hang propaganda and sometimes it 's even funny, you know what are they they brought their country as far as finland is concerned, they used the situation with russia , which they could not use after the second world war, they used it to their advantage and now uh, well, they are a country that is supported by all of nato, they ensured their security and russia can't do anything anymore won't be able to do it and nato , in fact, has strengthened this country as far as belarus and nuclear weapons are concerned. i don't think it will frighten nato, it will only give it another reason to place some of its missiles in some other, let's say

countries. maybe in the future in ukraine, if they say, look in finland, belarus has them, that's why we are the same allies of ukraine , that's why we give to ukraine so that there are no attacks from belarus, maybe this will also happen . and i think that this is a normal reason that we we can use it in the future because russia, we remember, according to the budapest memorandum, was also the guarantor of ukrainian security, so nato can give it, so we'll see how it will be in the future. is trying to intimidate someone else, but no one is afraid of him anymore, in reality, we have seen it, obviously sweden will be the 32nd member of the north atlantic alliance well, we hope that the 33rd will still be ukraine and we know that the summit of the north atlantic alliance will be held in vilnius in the summer, well, at least the representatives ukrainian states are already talking about the fact that at this summit they still hope to receive some kind of action plan or cooperation plan

or joint venture. of the atlantic alliance. this history of the udp with the movement towards nato still has a long history. in ukraine, this topic gradually took a second or third place, now ukraine has actually rearmed the army, we are already on nato standards, that is, most of the units are also, as far as i know, switching to nato standards, well, at least the azov regiment was definitely er-er according to nato standards, formed , formulated er what do you think is possible?

now ukraine is starting this process, it is clear that for nato it is a big problem that there is a war between russia and ukraine, because according to the nato charter , the countries there should not have any territorial disputes, but this is not a territorial dispute, it is actually aggression in its pure form, can ukraine become a member of nato before the end of the war. you know here. the question is that the nato statute does not say anything about territorial disputes or conflicts. this is an unwritten rule. well, if there is any dispute, then if a country cannot be accepted into nato, but in general, there is no such thing, with the consensus of all countries, any country in the world can join nato, but here you have conducted in such a way that nato understands that it is not just some country that is fighting there today, and tomorrow something has changed in them, and

there they also switched to democracy and you can simply take ukraine into nato. no, this is the russian federation from which nato is opposed and in fact it was created because of that, i think that it will be settled - the issue will be considered much more deeply and i do not know the prospects, but now it seems to me this is how the situation is that only after we win and we will win, only then will we say fully in military terms when structural changes will take place in russia and in political life, and i think structurally directly inside the country, then we will very quickly, uh, be admitted to nato. but before that, we still have to it will be necessary to do a lot because russia will use it to rattle weapons and we are much more important to them than finland or some other criminal countries or than belarus, so we will also go to nato

nato is already supporting us, we will rearm, and i think we will want our country to go there, because we are the only army, well, not counting russia in europe, which has combat experience of such a scale as vienna against the russian federation, but i think the issue will be resolved gradually as soon as there is an opportunity and there is a political and military one, we will immediately become members of nato, analysts of the institute of war studies from the united states of america believe that russia uses religion as a weapon, that is, the lower situation a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and analysts consider it dangerous for the future and for the present ukraine, eh, you as a people's deputy of ukraine and a person who takes care of security and defense issues. in your opinion, should the verkhovna rada of ukraine at the legislative level simply prohibit the activities of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, considering the fact that

part of the clergy - part of the leaders of this church have either russian passports or are accused or suspected of committing of crimes like the same former deputy of the kiev-pechersk lavra, pavlo lebed. as far as you know, the draft law is already in the parliament, it is registered in the verkhovna rada, and in particular, the speaker needs to bring this draft bill to the floor and vote . well, analysts say that russia can to use the approach of the orthodox holiday of easter on april 16 to delay the ukrainian counteroffensive, well, that is, to deploy the internal front in ukraine and provoke internal conflicts, we see how in western ukraine

parishes are moving from uoc mp to ptu and we see in some moments the use of hmm, well, those provocateurs who are trying to provoke one side and the other to some actions, taking into account the fact that many people , as it is not surprising and for me this is also a discovery , willingly continue to go to the moscow church or whether there are such opportunities in the russian federation to manage this process and provoke the deployment of the internal front of the internal war . to make sure that we don't have any religious problems , but the special services have to solve this particular issue and understand what the plans of the russian federation are regarding what it plans on a religious basis, and in particular what you said has been achieved. they have to deal with it

, deal with it. should gather this information to pass it on to the president or those who make decisions, and management decisions should already be made on the basis of this, so of course we should do everything to ensure that we do not have russia does not use religion as a weapon against us, but we have to do it in such a way that well, really , well, let's say so, so as not to open another front internally , we have to do it carefully but we have to do it, information appeared that the authorities of the rivne region banned the activities of the uoc in the region, well there are already some regional solutions. and this is very reminiscent of the fall of lenin when lenin was overthrown in kyiv on bessarabian square, then the domino effect began all over ukraine, when one or two parishes were transferred to the church and when the faithful

realized that this church was working for the enemy then it happens in your way, why do people not fully realize that the church they go to is hostile and belongs to the kremlin and works for the kremlin, why these bloody events that took place during the last year and in general during the last nine years, why are people not they convince me that everything moscow is hostile. well, the state simply did not work with it, they were afraid to touch it, for example, i don't know , i probably submitted five times, and in particular, only in the past, they were summoned, i was the author, we accepted it because there they wanted to do what exactly these churches that do not work for the russian federation worked in the army, and there are a lot of them, in particular, and the deputies directly did not want to vote. well, we have direct members of this church before the war, there were