[000:00:00;00] they are the ones who should take part in the great spring counteroffensive announced by the ukrainian defense villages, first of all we are starting this individual training of each serviceman , instructors work with them as stationary training of command training in fire training and tactical training, because for each soldier this is the most important individual training volodymyr took part in the heaviest battles after the full-scale invasion, including in the battles for rubizhne and severodonetsk, he joined to the offensive guard and is now sharing his combat experience, we are working in the direction of the development of some kind of newer weapons, so there is a larger scale of conducting classes, more opportunities are now here to conduct yes, for now, we are working here to replace the guys there with a further transition to the offensive by the guard the offensive is called the new assault brigades as part of the national guard of ukraine, the police and the border service, they are being recruited and formed

by the ministry of internal affairs, in this campaign they have bet on volunteers oleksandr had the intention of going to defend ukraine a year ago , but he promised to do something with whom after he repaired the house damaged by the russian art obstruction, now he is in the ranks of one of the battalions of the national guard, and people like oleksandr often make personal decisions, voluntarily come to the battalion and says that guys, i want to serve . take me, this is a completely different format of people . why was she caught on the street, given a summons , put on a bus in january, and when a person is motivated, it is much easier to work with her it shows much better, uh, i demonstrate the indicators of the national guard with roman gives an example of officially people, first of all, without motivation, that

is, people who came to the military commissariat for a tick , for example, i can give an example of a person who came to the military commissariat in order to mark himself and get a permit to travel abroad he works on a ship, i.e. with him . he has a six-month leave there, you understand. they said to him , well done, he came. go through the lk , that is, there are such people, we fix them, that's why roman assures that he works with every recruit psychologist, if he sees that the newly elected person is not ready to go forward and they don't take him

, we don't gather people, so to speak useful than anyone who could help because all civilian positions well, almost all of them are also very much used in the army. moreover , there is someone to select from, as they say in our guard, in just two months , 35,000 people submitted applications to join the guard and the offensive, the next stage the training pays special attention to that, and there is such a great desire among new recruits to get to them, oleksandr believes. well, it's just a matter of taking and driving, as the russian federation does, well, it 's not that it's wrong, it's uh, well, it's already a crime to just drive people to lunch - this is an atrocity and this it is inhumane, it is not civil, and it is cruel. the training lasts from two to four months , it depends on whether the recruit came with zero skills or already had combat experience . you tell people that we are their task. it is here to go on assaults. of course, they are fine.

the people who come understand it well, and i personally saw the results as a psychologist, they communicate with people and really explain the task that they have to perform in the future. yes, and they are given a choice. the offensive has already formed eight combat-ready brigades, well, and the last question, and when the next one, after the training exercises and by order of the commander, andriy kozakov, vasyl martyshchenko, oleksiy palii, for radio svoboda , the russian government uses religion as a weapon in order to discredit ukraine on the international arena and carries out information operations on religious grounds in order to achieve military goals, although grubo herself violates

religious freedoms in the occupied territories of ukraine. the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine calling for a ceasefire out of respect for the orthodox religion, although russia itself does not show such respect for religion once again in the occupied territories, experts state. well, in continuation of the actual topic of religion and churches, there are at least two news items that we will now discuss. first , the rivne regional council today voted to ban the activities of the uoc mp in the rivne region, and in rivne itself, the deputies stopped the right to use land plots on the territory of the community that is used by this amp. well, and secondly, in several ukrainian communities , the transition of churches from the uoc mp to the ptu is taking place, and in some cities, in fact, it is not without clashes. for example, in kaminets-podilskyi, supporters of the uoc mp today blocked the entrance to the alexander nevsky cathedral. khmelnytskyi reports about this. about 200 women parishioners of the pcmp stood today at the entrance to the church with the ukrainian flag and sang

prayer songs and did not let in the parishioners who, for their part, demanded to move the cathedral . oleksandr nevsky before the psu , the confrontation between the psu and the uoc at the kamianets-podilskyi cathedral has been going on since april 8. and how it ended is currently unknown. meanwhile, in netishyn, it is also khmelnytskyi local residents voted for the transfer of two churches of the uoc mp to the orthodox church of ukraine, this decision was made at the community meeting the day before, almost 2.5 thousand community residents took part in this vote. well, in total , since the beginning of the year, 6 churches have transferred from the orthodox church, and 8 1/2 thousand remain in the uoc mp this is reported by ukrainian pravda with reference to the data of the openda service and the bot. well, returning to khmelnytskyi , oleksandr suprunyuk, the mayor of the city of netishyn - this is khmelnytskyi, joins the broadcast. good evening

i just gave an example that two communities, two churches in the community of netishyna, moved the day before from the ukrainian orthodox church to the ptu, were there any clashes, hmm, then, unfortunately, the law enforcement agencies were afraid that somewhere there, let's say, the red cable came out. how do they say in russian about the transition on the eve of friday, at the session of the city council, we adopted a decision to ban moscow churches on the territory of the city, and we also voted to take away plots of land for permanent use. well, accordingly , the community initiative was to hold such an event on sunday

er, to vote, to hold a meeting, to vote for leaving under the moscow patriarchate , to go to the ptu, this happened. but the believers who came to the moscow patriarchate blocked themselves in, closed the entrances to the territory and the temple itself , well, they were doing something there, let's say, not letting anyone in, so a step was taken so that there would be no confrontation, the meetings themselves were held in in the center of the city they collected signatures, the weather didn't help us a bit, it was raining, people came out with umbrellas and put their signatures. but oleksandr, i noticed that about 2.5 thousand people took part in the vote there, but your community is bigger if i'm not

mistaken correct me, about 30,000, 36,000, almost 27, but this is quite a large percentage , because, for example, the day before , the satellites of the rivne nuclear power station, where the population was 42,000 and there were 1,600, collected signatures, they did not set the target number simply whoever wanted came and signed voluntarily, i think that maybe there would have been more people, but there was simply not enough information. well, nevertheless, it is quite a sufficient number if we take it and there will not be any disputes in the future, maybe not everyone expressed their opinion. when will be the next sunday or supporters of the uoc mp will still come to the service in the church. and they don't understand why this is a church not of the uoc mp, whether there will be any problems with that. i think that provocations will try to do

this in their style, they tried to collect signatures on friday, they went from house to house fooling people and said that we were collecting signatures for the ukrainian orthodox church. and they told us that it was moskovsk because it was for the transition of the ukrainian orthodox church, that is, people without really understanding, well, some people signed, but they didn't. you said yes, there is an understanding in the community with the churchmen of the uoc mp and somehow you seem to have hinted that somehow the priests are not behaving the same way and what is the reason that they did not act like that ? accept you have to obey. well, all the things were like that. well, there was something a little bit more, but i won't pay attention to it because i don't have enough evidence. the law enforcement officers were dealing with this issue. well, we'll tell

the law enforcement officers. with such messages because not so long ago the clergyman of the uoc mp igor slobodyan , you know this story, who beat a military officer in a temple in khmelnytskyi, he was declared wanted , a fight broke out and the priest disappeared. impression on people from your community and it was such a serious push , let's say on the second day, it happened that in zhytomyr boys were beaten for 10-12 years, then they also saw all this, then what happened in chernivtsi, well, literally, for a few days . such informative reasons were exactly what in chernivtsi refused to hide our defender. and all this stirred up the people so much that we had such a wave and i think that you have to build up because it has already got this moscow

effort will say it is like parasites who live at our expense and pretend well, in fact, let's get out of with religious scholars, and the situation in different communities is very different, and we hear a lot of feedback that even though a priest may be in the uoc mp, he absolutely expresses patriotic views there, and if the community makes such a decision, he also goes with the community. this is how in in your case, the congregation voted for the transition to the church, and the priests who remained moved with the congregation, or did they leave the congregation and you invited new priests. somehow this happens physically. well, first of all, in our country, there was a rather strange situation, let's say it is not surprising that such a policy is made with state

funds. for example, in our country, this church, this cathedral, was built with the funds of eco energo , that is, if ukrainian greek-catholic churches are the same, more precisely, two churches were built with the funds of the people themselves. entrance hall, and here the funds were allocated, 17 million e-e were allocated for 2012, something else was allocated, it will be very interesting tomorrow there will be a court hearing about the fact that this unbuilt unfinished church was handed over to e-e the father himself and his family under the guise of a public organization, this is absurd should be full of the state budget, state property was transferred to communal property and not to private property for the same father, so we are now suing everywhere about it. well, such things happen , that is, well, the policy was very strange and now we

have the consequences. and his from service to the community. i understood correctly , we do not question this because i, as a government body, a representative of the government, have no right to interfere. believers, citizens, residents of the city themselves will decide this issue, but what this is very let's say so declared guys. if we say so well, for example, as far as i know, and talk about it in the community, uh, the son of one of the sons of this uh, the main father, uh, is in moscow and there is enough there somewhere close to kirill or not well this is already the case. but nevertheless, there is such a thing, that is, let's say they will hold on to it very much because, let's say , they were unloved in us, which in many uh , they were there, well, let's say digital and used

to such a heavenly life, here they are forced work within the framework of the paper field and also let's say they are being put in place, so their transition, i don't know. maybe one of them will transfer someday, but i don't know what it will teach. i myself am dersupronyuk , the mayor of the city of nikitchyna, and in the city the day before, the community transferred from the uoc to the ptu, and now we were discussing these processes that are happening now in the community , thank you very much. in the meantime, the parliamentary committee on humanitarian information policy recommended that the parliament approve the resolution with the recommendation of the cabinet of ministers to terminate the lease agreement with the ukrainian orthodox church of the ukrainian orthodox church of the pochaiv lavra, which, let me remind you, is located in the ternopil region if what is happening in the pochaiv lavra itself, what are the moods of the local believers, galina tereshchuk will tell you about the mass actions here . there are no inscriptions, nor any protests near the pochaiv lavra in pochaiv itself

, the only thing that has changed is the arrival in the city of the city , checkpoints have been set up, security guards are on duty 24 hours a day, because it is believed that as of today pochaiv given the situation in kyiv-pechersk lavra is a city of certain danger, law enforcement officers have the right to check documents, stop transport, stop buses to see who is carrying what, that is, there is such change for today in general, it is calm in the city, it can be said that yesterday was a big christian holiday , palm sunday, many places went to worship at the pochaiv lavra in the dormition church, it was quite crowded, i talked with the faithful of pochaiv lavra, those who go here for worship, i talked with those who goes to church now, and people have very different opinions about how they see the fate of the pochaiv lavra there. in the future, we can listen to the opinions of the actual place where the boys are being killed

at the front. and i will go to the church in which there the wings commemorate what they pray for that holy war, how they say, well, for me, it’s somehow wildly wrong. well, such a difficult but conscious decision that everything is russian, everything is moscow, i go to pray and everything else. i’m not interested in politics anymore. that means they are closing and that's it. do you think they will come here to defend the lavra? no one will come. everything will fall into place with time. the church will become a ukrainian locality. they will unite and everything will be fine. the lavra must be ukrainian, our ukrainian. they bring people from all over here, the processions are big and they will just be led away, of course they will be concluded now there is no right solution

, it seems that on the one hand, the moscow patriarchate is wrong, but now a lot of people think that in our lavra they are led in russian, which is old slavonic and they will say that it is russia that has imposed its faith on us, we are really older people and we are used to the faith that is here and let it be like that, we have a negative attitude, i don't know, i watched and my mother said that such a faith in orthodox here there is nothing said by the orthodox faith. this is what we serve according to the old slavonic, it is not because of this that they do not call for some kind of inadequate wars, and we walk alone and for 300 years, all our grandfathers and grandmothers walked here , we do not have those bulky priests here as our good priests write, and we pray and will continue to pray , i spoke with government officials and heard the following phrase that the state

will resolve itself in the legal sphere, in order to terminate this agreement, it is necessary to find a violation of the terms of this agreement in the ternopil military administration they say that there is a violation of the architectural zone and i promise to comment today for radio svoboda, so our viewers and readers will be able to forgive this on the website of radio svoboda. will be much more difficult, let's say, than in kyiv why because a longer time is still obvious this scenario also considered here and thought about the fact that the situation could be different in ukraine today about 8,000 residents in pochaev according to the data of the city authorities, more than half are discouraging residents. during the last 30 years, a lot of citizens of russia and moldova came here to buy apartments and houses, they were helped to buy these

apartments and houses. monks can count on, therefore, it only depends today on what steps the state will take and how much it will be able to keep the situation calm, and let's not forget that every year in pochaev there were big crusades in the ranks of which were quite strong physically, so strong men, therefore the state itself is the decision of the state, and how much it will be able to keep this situation under control will depend on exactly how the events around the pochaivskaya lavra will unfold, exactly how the events around the pochaivskaya lavra will unfold, we will discuss it now to begin with, i would like to ask you to subscribe to the radio svoboda channel, if you have not yet subscribed and like this broadcast

, support our work in this way. religious scholar, doctor of philosophical sciences. good evening. good evening. our colleague galina, who worked directly in pochaev, says that from her subjective point of view, the situation around the pochaev lavra looks much more complicated because there are many local residents who time moved from russia to pochaiv and that everything will be quite difficult even in contrast to the situation not with the kyiv-pechersk lavra. here are your predictions because we see that government officials and deputies unanimously recommended today the verkhovna rada the council of the cabinet of ministers should terminate this agreement with the pochaiv lavra, why should we prepare for the courts? i think that this is the case in our state if we think about ourselves. the way the state has conducted everything can only be resolved by turning to the courts, and it is clear that the church will not agree silently with the fact that decisions

are made that go against its corporate interests , it will defend its rights, it will file counterclaims, therefore, the courts must prepare for a serious test , because the professionalism of our courts will depend on how cases with ukrainian orthodox church well, i will tell you that we do not have a hundred percent guarantee that the state will win, because if everything in this pochaiv lavra was done in accordance with the law, there are no violations, then they will be able to prove it in court . well, if they find it then they will be held accountable according to the law, because you know , simply put forward a claim that they serve together and remember there we are. so we made patriarch

kirill that they are focused on moscow, that they do not support our ukrainian soldiers on their they don't pay attention and so on, these are all political claims , they don't know anything about the legislation, we don't have such a law, the only thing is there are some wild articles of the law, for example , under which he has not yet been convicted, but claims have been made to the abbot of the kiev-pechersk lavra it is about the non-recognition of aggression, i.e. the fact that he declared that you are a brother of ordinary war and so on and so on. make a decision

but the legal decisions regarding this church, well, here is another question, you see the kiev-pechersk lavra, no one had any doubts that it is an orthodox shrine . and not only orthodox claim to the pochaiv lavra , ukrainian greek catholics have also declared their rights, so if regarding kyiv - of the pechersk lavra - this is an intra-denominational conflict, then the conflict in the pochaiv lavra is inter-denominational, and how will they come to an agreement here? i think that it is almost impossible to come to an agreement between the greek-catholics and the orthodox today. the understanding then is the same in the two laurels of kyiv-pechersk and pochaivsk, after all , where this influence is wider and deeper, greater, yes, from your possibly subjective point of view, i

have been both there and there, and i think that in pochaev there is a greater influence, this is related with what you understand, the kiev-pechersk lavra is still kyiv, er. it is located within the boundaries of kyiv, and in addition to the kyiv-pechersk lavra, there are many other monasteries in kyiv, well, there are no more laurels, but there are monasteries and the feodosia monastery nearby, that is, they were not, you know dominant or monopoly e-e presentations of the orthodox tradition in kyiv, that is, if you could not go to the lavra, you could go to the mykhailo monastery or some other monasteries right there in pochayev, e pochayev lavra, pochayev monastery, he is a monopolist , in fact, all his life, e pochayev as a town in

which they told us 8,000 people live here. they all actually worked for this monastery, the monastery provided them with places to work , er, gave them a salary, and it is clear that these people do not know what awaits them. places, will they have a permanent income, that's why there is a certain strategy that you know better, it's reliably old and it's possible and wrong, but it worked for so many years and there's hope that it will work and further, that 's why i think that pochaiv monastery more complicated, and experts will have to work here and lawyers will have to work much more than the kyiv-pechersk lavra understood you then, one more question. this is how, in your opinion

, the transition of the community from the uoc to the ptu will look in the future. we discussed it in detail today an example in khmelnytskyi region, where in fact during this transition there will also be clashes, from your point of view there will be such isolated cases of clashes and clashes, or will it still be like this, almost what is called a tradition, when the community will transition, there will be clashes between them and who and in what way later he will be able to use this information. well, the peaceful way of the transition of the change of jurisdiction seems to me to have actually been exhausted because whoever wanted to transition has actually already transitioned. and now it is clear that the leadership of the ukrainian church the orthodox church will make every effort to stop this process, and you can see that they are acting with sufficient er confidence . well, let's say those whom they suspect of surrendering to er security

. as the communities say to the orthodox church of ukraine, they simply take them out and send their staff to a well-deserved rest , as it happened with khmelnytskyi antony , who handed over the keys to the cathedral just on the steps of this cathedral , services are prohibited, they can impose anathema, that is, they monitor in the church, monitor who what is the motive and intimidating, perhaps they are buying, it is difficult to say well, but there are many people who are deeply convinced that the truth lies only in the ukrainian orthodox church for a person , we believers know salvation after death well , since 1686, they have been saying that salvation is possible only within the boundaries of the moscow patriarchate

, then believe me, in the 33rd year of our independence , it is very, very difficult to change this matrix in a planted worldview , especially since these believers were taught by a different point of view, because there is no representatives of the orthodox church of ukraine that there is a priest of the ukrainian orthodox church preaching behind me, in fact no one was following us, you know that was the case when they recorded a video about what they sang about holy russia being reborn eh and maybe it was just a rule for the life of this church eh and here, you know, there are our researchers, in particular sociologists of religion, who should have been included

in observing what is being done in this church , but you know, it did not show its anti-ukrainianism in such an open form until february 24 well, the point is, well, in our territory , there were no such fights as you show now. it was in the beginning of the 90s, then somehow everything normalized, so although the relevant authorities probably knew and we also followed up somewhat, but none steps that would