[000:00:00;00] and i don't have a family. yulia defended ukraine for a month and we were in the donetsk region for a long time ago, and we first on fridays , when the shooting started, they didn't start supplying water . there is no heat from the batteries. and what to do? well, you live as you wanted in the dominus well. once again, we say goodbye. well, i won't look. i smile with all two teeth

. you're doing well, damn it. well , we need to find a man who feeds the animals. here, the feeders are already made, and he's still my friend. now it will be lick since childhood i dreamed of a dog in my 30s. i got a dog before the war. i also went to my city in north donetsk to feed

the dogs because they are defenseless and that's how i come, i fill up and leave other bags and people here feed them , my friend. i'll leave some more and you'll give it out. good. no problem, i'll give it to korbochenko because i'm constantly helping people, it's about 20-30 people

and animals, well, it's a lot, and i think it's more than a hundred. animals are abandoned, yes, and then, with such stupid requests. and you can go to such and such an address, break the door or punch a hole and feed the cat, or climb to

the fourth floor, break the window, let them all out on the street, that's why you come here 20

more 17 more 17 pieces only two cats scolded us a little bit. well , i bring them all here . that's how he lived with us for a long time, these bombings are still bombarded, and with a male, probably no psychologists will help me to say that i am a ukrainian language, i learned ukrainian language at school, we are here in the donbass, so what do we

talk about, half in ukrainian , half in russian, well, mostly in donbass, we are donbas surzhyk we have всё мемешано i would live here in kyiv as in purely ukrainian budulakov and not everyone will understand me but don't be offended that i'm talking and don't think that i'm a stranger well russia honestly say honestly i don't want someone else's ustaly i want ukrainian i want the government to be united and to end the war of the 1980s , the times of the 1960s

, beer and batik were not given for 10 years. few people come here, the goal is to see these people , to hear, to help, to listen, when we first came here, there were two people, now there are five, somewhere here , there is an abandoned piece of equipment here, there were somewhere around 20 dogs, and i wanted more than 30. my attitude was such that i had need to come back when this was the liberation of the village, exhumation began and i had to return like a swamp. it was good. i had to have it on may 18 , and the hibrat fell under mortar fire

. neighbors buried him in the garden. i couldn't go out from the yard. you go out. you go out among the huts. there is no village, it is empty, there is no one here, there is not a single house alive

, all the houses are broken. hello misha, misha, canned food, well, i will leave the pasta. he is injured, he is walking there, he doesn’t hear. here are the retarded ones, here he is feeding, yes, there were also flies and dogs in this village , but the people left, it’s a pity, they are like that here, too , the guest survived. we have suffered such people that dogs without paws are walking around, beaten up, that’s it, well, we try to support food, all the same well, the hosts will return and they will be with their hosts. i can't tell you how things got fired here. the russians were firing heavy guns at peaceful people. that's what they saw. i don't know where they saw it. well, they

saw a person walking and ms. missile fired all the rockets. the land was gone, they were looking for a connection with my brother, to contact me, to say that i am alive, that everything is fine, i hear from the eels that it has swelled, i think that it will come running, and i hear it from behind behind me in a crash. here she is standing there, she reminds me not to score, they are killing us, this is me with you are comparing it. they are deceiving the whole world in that they are freeing someone, they are just going to ukraine. the cities are burning. our guys are big thanks to them that they are all standing here. there is a feeling that somewhere they did not work well. they did not deliver somewhere because there are not always enough resources. there were such moments

when you get a call people are elderly there, they ask you to bring medicine, bring painkillers in the morning, you call and the person is gone, you want to save so much more, you are happy when people are happy for you, animals meet, well, it is nice that you are needed, you make some contribution to the victory, you help quietly, in general, quietly, quietly, they do not negotiate with gunpowder destroy, protect our own, we are a free country of free people , a country where different religions coexist freely, where ramadan is celebrated, passover and the holy resurrection of the lord, where human freedom

, freedom of religion are prescribed in constitutions are protected by law, where the full-time chaplain is a clergyman, a psychologist and a reliable brother, we are a country in which the spiritual front is as strong as the fighting spirit, where people pray for peace and bless, a country in which human life is valued above all else, and we will persevere and celebrate victory together with faith in my heart, i am a father , i am a younger brother, for the minibus, i am getting married soon , johana shakhtar, the head of the sales department, i am

a wedding witness, i am a student, a geologist, my own company from school, my neighbor who always knocks on the battery, i am the only son my name is sofia chelyak, and today we will talk with the writer, poet , and john, kenya, the country, svitlana povalyaeva, svitlana, congratulations, congratulations, i actually had an incredible opportunity to read your new book. yes, i

see this book. read your new collection. about longing joy love love about mission and revenge a lot of beasts that they were written already after the start of a full-scale invasion and here i can't help but ask about your uh voice and about the possibility of writing many of the ukrainian authors, even within the scope of this project, in various interviews, actually talked about the beginning of a full-scale second and generally great war. she took away her voice, she changed it, so many write exclusively in foreign languages. nfikshin how did you manage to talk to you yes, we talk a lot about this recently with victoria we talked the same way hmm the point is that my

poetry is simply spontaneous in its pure form it manifests itself i don't talk about it as about some virtue, yes, or something so great, it’s just like that, in fact, i’ve been scolded very often and a lot for it. that it’s all there is not professional, not thought out, not spelled out and so on, but okay, well, it’s like that. well, maybe it’s some kind of graphomaniac thing, so... and accordingly, this reflex does not depend on me, the voice has really disappeared from journalism , let’s say, or even prose, just even some diaries, memories, it’s impossible to write anything , it’s true, i can’t write either, and with poetry, well , in particular, with my story, this is probably

the only way react when you you are really completely frozen and this reaction, well, you know. well, like the crying of a child, for example, that is, the child does not think that she will first cry because of something and then cry , yes. that is, i’m sorry for the word, some kind of literally physiological reaction, so, well, i often questions are asked, i try to formulate this mechanism every time, how does it work, and for sure it was really the only living reaction to everything that was happening, because in general i am one of those people who freeze and continue to live as if nothing had happened. well, you think rockets they fly, well, well if you think about it, yes, there is a russian army near kyiv. well, there is always everything from that, even from art. well, okay, we will go there through the checkpoints to help him. well, the kyiv maidan class did not grow all over kyiv, and i myself was surprised

that i did not have any normal human beings alive . reactions, including fear, well, the impression is that you are just living in a dream, and this was probably the only reaction that was not such a human, normal, living reaction. i was lucky enough to witness one of the reactions. and we drive around the villages. so we went to the north, then we return to skovorody and we see the destroyed museum of skovorody, and then i see how ukrainian philosophers, er, quickly decide and discuss whether or not to swim in lake skovorody. that is, well, it is absolutely monumental yes, some logical solution, and here i understood, i saw this border between uh-uh, that is, when life does not stop like this . that is, you see on the one hand that we are a ruined museum where the rockets were directed, and on the other hand

, you still try to live somehow further i actually talking about contemporaries. yes, i mentioned my contemporaries here, but there are also contemporaries in the poem. yes, i found several quotes from ukrainian authors in the collection , in particular, the most vivid . in this book there is a dialogue with colleagues and how they became whole new and tender after the start of a full-scale and i don't even know which part to answer first uh , well, it's not intentional hmm such an illusion not an intentional reference it came out to me in a natural way but for many years i won't say how many of us there is some kind of strange er-er connection. even when he first

printed my er-er novel on thursday er-er in some licenses there i was called izdrik the skirt, well, somehow we i am mentally related to him and that is why i really love his poetry in general . in this kind of tenderness and laziness uh, they ended, they remained like this, you know, how burned out, how old muskrats and sterionadatris uh , actually, before talking about the collection, i want

to ask you about uh, the 90s and about your own development as a writer, that is those were absolutely crazy times too and how did it happen that you found yourself then in creativity in the ukrainian language in particular so and how this path how do you see how you analyze it now if we look back at the present we just literally talked about it and threw up slavic, i asked her, i say ira, well, these 90s were good for you, lord god, there were much more interesting and inspiring times later, er, i don't know why, er, now these generations look back on these nineties, as if they were some, well, i understand it

with roughly the same eyes when in the same 90s , er, american culture and american literature opened up for me. represented in culture. that is, it was basically like that trishak as shown once in hollywood terentino that's it it's like that it was more than so beautiful and romantic how is it then uh it's served we all look at grace it should be known to both of them what kind of space it was actually in the 90's well of course when you are 20 years old, you always have space, regardless of eras, depending on what is happening. this is what happened. hmm, i would say not the formation or the renaissance of our entire oppressed , shot, destroyed ukrainian culture in general and music and literature and

painting and theater in general. well not in the cinema i didn’t want cinema back then, i didn’t want to. the renaissance couldn’t revive the second thing then, that is, when you can write literature, just write, and everything back then, by the way , i also wrote by hand, and then i didn’t even type on typewriters and clicked. now i’m looking at my manicure, i think damn it's unreal, no, no, why, and what's more, some yatranya or soviet yatranya, eh, and then it's just possible because of the huge contrast with this terrible gray brown thrash ferocious scoop and it seems so eh, for some reason, new, you understand in bright, crazy times. well, it was like that for us too, because we grew up in soviet school uniforms, so uh, and then

we got, well, again, in particular, western ukraine, it was tera incognita. kyiv really was actually russian-speaking. no, russian-speaking and not russian. not bulgakov, but these narratives were supported and progressed and indeed there were times when they could look back at you on the trolleybus asking what time the trolleybus whistled, and the trolleybus could look at you in the great lviv in general, and that’s why of course, in the same lviv franniku everywhere well, freer, of course, freer, freer space was closer to europe, and people listened to european radio and european music, accordingly, it all influenced creativity and all this came from here to our kyiv festivals, all kinds of parties there and so on. that's actually thanks to

to all these people, thanks to the red hand, thanks to the festival of dislocations, the lviv alternative. i understand that i am now telling, as if about some such dinosaurs - pre-dinosaur times, some such cretaceous period, oh but but thanks to all this, we and and i grew up and grew up, i had incredible teachers at my university because i taught the ukrainian language ponomari taught stylistics anatolii pogribny taught ukrainian literature eh in such an environment it was impossible not to come to one's identity and not to remember my lost one i think that even before birth ukrainian eh and don't come there, where you should come and who you are , but then they changed the city, that is, starting there , let's say in 2004, italy had a little period of stagnation, yes, under yanukovych, and

then there was the maidan of the 14th year, that is, all these people - this is your environment, you were actually returning your ukrainianness to kyiv, well, something about yanukovych, just returning ukrainianness was , er, absolutely unreal. those were really dark times, it really was. it felt like a concrete slab just fell on us, and it made us all miserable. do you remember that this is also education, endless rallies against tabachnyk a-a and this is not different from the glory of you, lord , not the minister of scarlet er-er modern , it was not some illiterate fool it was a clever and cunning enemy who destroyed er-er introduced here russian propaganda and below in simply at the root of the ukrainian world well, that is, these were terrible times for show business, ukrainian

cinema simply died, it is clear, too , that is, not the airwaves to break through . ah, he signed the tax code, because of which, in fact , the same plate was used to cover books , ukrainian publishing houses were closed , that is, there was nothing to revive it. it was impossible . all you could do was survive, fight to hope that somehow we will get the word out to the whole of ukraine that will not be destroyed again, as in previous years in the soviet union, in fact, here i cannot go back to the last collection , so changeable cloudiness, clarifications, there were a few poems that i got attached to , which border so much on buddhist practices and they are their own kind of meditations

and elegies yes, but uh, but through poetry you can say a lot, in particular. yes, we mention lyudmila horova, who wrote amazingly, and who is, in fact, the first curse, is vasyl stus who outlined pure anger, that's what actually spreads, actually, if you think about even the times of yanukovych, if you think about emotions during the war, is it worth taming anger as an emotion or i, and if not, is it possible to channel it in other ways, well actually you just didn't enter examples of how anger is transformed and what is the use of it, of course it's not easy, you don't need it, it's impossible to tame it , i can't imagine how it's even possible

, you can convince yourself not to feel hatred with a purely pragmatic purpose not to worry, not to feed it with a purely pragmatic purpose not to destroy oneself because there is no benefit from this unfortunately, uh, our feelings will not die, unfortunately, uh, galya krok said k better more poetic she said that unfortunately our poetry can't kill and our words can't kill them but it's so transformed and anger is n- when it's not just a reference to the ship and so on. i think that it now plays a huge social role because it seems to me that now poetry in general in the first place, because it is the most natural, the most spontaneous, the most appeal to all these emotions, and even people who have never been interested in particular, especially ukrainian poetry, have never read it

or bought it, now it's just some kind of boom , that is, a huge demand, and this means that it is healing and helpful here is the benefit of anger for you because i think that even the gentlest and even the most tender and romantic poems are actually written with pain and with anger now it is different it is simply not possible in the war in which we are in this book you are very much you talk to people who are not close to people who are fighting, so with people there are images of loved ones and relatives, there is a story about a hospital nurse , for example, so who tells the soldier that you owe me now, that is, i took you out . it's normal. come on, dude, yes, and in his gratitude should be expressed in the fact that he will not die like this, and our language has changed like this, the war has taken away from us a lexicon that can express very well what do you feel, that is, this moment with

the hospital nurse when she says that this is actually purely based on emotions, she is actually exactly in that moment due to absolute stress she says what needs to be said, how to find a language, how to talk to those who live on the border, how to learn to speak anew if you live on the border, i don't feel that we are losing the lexicon, i don't even feel that we are changing it so directly, somehow radically. and i feel that simply er, in the war , which has now come to everyone. that is, she was there for 8 years somewhere in the east, we did not send you there, well, in short, something like that happened somewhere because we were hiding on the maidan, and so on. so , er, now she came to everyone and everyone