[000:00:00;00] parliament and now this registration of this and then the president to sign, but the registration of this resolution on the cancellation of this vote is a technical thing that simply delays the process , in fact, without it, the speaker of the parliament cannot now sign the law , the draft law cannot, according to the president, which means that the law remains only a draft law, that is, he did not enter into force, but the most interesting thing in this story is that the next time, the next time , the ukrainian parliament will meet today, which is on april 12. may day holidays, that is, after a month and a whole month, the ukrainian military does not receive these extra payments in the form of 30,000 hryvnias, and for the record, and it is also interesting in this story that the representatives of the voice refused to comment on this. yes, too well, the voice does not comment, so for now we will hear

serhiy fursa, an economist, an investment banker, and nina zhanina, a people's deputy of ukraine, well, from the eu faction that supported the return of thirty thousand ukrainian surcharges of the military, good day, good morning, mr. serhiy, how do you assess the actions of some representatives of the parliament, which are technically delaying? do you think that this draft law can remain a draft law and will not be signed by the president or will be voted on by the parliament, what were the violations during the procedure voting on what what does the tsabel allude to? i believe that this draft law is terrible populism and an example of how , in fact, bad things are done under a good weapon. we all got more for what we got militarily additional meaningful payments, but for this you need to understand where to get the money, this bill does not give an answer to where to get uah 150 billion, they are simply not physically in the budget, and the only answer to this is to print these funds

. if we print uah 150 million and we repeat what happened last year that is, devaluation of the hryvnia even more inflation and this will be a threat , this will be a threat of the destruction of macro-financial stability, which is very important, and it is important that it be achieved in this way, if the deputies want the military to receive more payments, when they accept the receipt of these funds, that is, indicate where these funds will come from . because in this draft law, i have a very manipulative story where it is indicated that we are reducing the fat cats and therefore we will not increase these payments to the military, but in fact this salary reduction brings no more than 2 %. from the amount required in this way is simply manipulation and thus there is no funding for this project yet , this is terrible demographic populism well, let's talk about restrictions yes, a little later, let's talk

about the technology from the registration of this resolutions of volodymyr tsabel, what is interesting here is that our faction of the voice has split into two parts and volodymyr sobol belongs to the part that is suspected of having certain connections with the president's office, well, in particular, with andriy yermak, i don't know , maybe it's not true, it's a lie no we will spread this, but the vote was divided into two parts, and they were almost equal, and they could not change even the leader of the faction for a long time because of this, is there a certain manipulation of these technical points during the registration of such a resolution, or is the parliament really mr. nina will support tsabel's resolution and cancel his previous vote for this bill. please, let me start with mr. yehor , that a few comments are probably from a politician, and then i will go into the analyzes as an economist. first of all , it seems to me that the vote was divided into three components.

it is absolutely obvious that a group of people is completely dependent on the president's office, this can be seen from the work in the hall and from the consultations that take place in the hall, and the fact that it is absolutely obvious that those things that they used to oppose , they are now voting and voting a certain group of people is a group of people who have not decided and are obviously building their own political career separately, these are two or three people, and there are the rest who are left at a crossroads somewhere more expressing their professional point of view regarding the technique of submitting this statement first, in accordance with the regulations that such a resolution will be submitted, and in what violation occurred during the voting, it should have been declared - declared in the hall, what mr. volodymyr tsabel did not do, is absolutely yes , it was possible yesterday, i already remember yesterday, i watched

by his behavior in the hall, he behaved so somewhat tensely, and since lately he has not been very professional in avoiding questions, he also votes for all issues that are critical for the authorities and which do not gain votes in the hall, it is absolutely obvious to me that he has fulfilled the command because with these hands, even the servants of the people did not go to the fact that you registered the resolution from one of them, that is, they went with the hands of a sable, how unprincipled this person turned out to be, but if it means simply, well, the fools brand the sable we persistently wanted to hear him today his position, you called and wrote several times, unfortunately, he avoids any contact, well, at least with our channel, maybe others, he gives some comments now , please continue, let's go without a saber, this resolution can be voted in the hall and thus the decision to adopt the law as a whole

will be canceled and the procedure for re -examination of this draft law will continue . and the re-voting will mean that the 48th amendment can be reconsidered. no, this draft law will most likely be sent for a second reading and taking into account the fact that in itself it is a very important law for the current government, they will bring it to the second reading, they will be more attentive to these amendments that were already in this consideration recently, we will not have them in the submitted for the second reading again or if they will even be they are submitted, of course they will not be supported. if we talk about technology , what can happen next. and the fact that it will definitely not be considered until the first numbers of may - this is obvious, that is, the norms will not be in force. the law

will not be signed further, but now let me i should appeal to mr. serhiy fursa. i am shocked by your explanation about the harmfulness of the norm of some kind of populism that you just talked about. by the way, not all people in the parliament are engaged in populism or politics. and there are also those who know how to count numbers and know what funds are needed to renew payment of 30,000, first of all, it is necessary to give everyone a clear answer that, in fact, our faction, like no other, was related to the law on e-e adopted, i think in the 15th year, on the civil service, on what steps we took in order to protect our state institutions in general to adhere to all possible principles and norms of european rules and in order for our civil service to actually be a service, we will talk about it later, let's not talk about it now, let's talk about 30,000 , that is, on the eve of changes to

the state budget about additional financing of the armed forces of half a trillion hryvnias, we had a meeting with representatives of the ministry of defense, where they, with the ministry of finance, with the minister of finance, where they added to us calculations of all the needs for the payment of military support for this period of time for the 23rd year, they gave an explanation of where half a trillion is needed and there was proposed this new system of payment of remuneration to the military, which was, in their opinion , more fair, as they said the same word they chose more acceptable and so on where 30 50 100 had already been divided and all this was explained on the slides, what number of soldiers will receive for what work they will receive and what will be enough for the additional 500

billion hryvnias that were added at the expense of budget deficit at the expense of the budget deficit already start thinking about where this money needs to be taken and whether there is already a friend of the money , what happened next please understand. weeks, they understood that there would be some clarifications, there would be some systematic work in order to be able to fulfill that regulation on determining the number of days and for which combat tasks the military should receive 30-50 and 100, so i want to tell you in two for months, nothing has been worked out, everyone lives their own lives. the ministry of defense and in the center of kyiv seem to think that everything is clear there, but people are falling over there

. this means that in just three days, the military will receive 50 or 100,000, and the rest of them will receive 20,100 uah for the whole month , you will say that this is fair, you will say that this is a normal, decent wage system, so i know a lot of information, i can with mr. sergiy to conduct a separate, broader discussion in order to prove that if the authorities, especially in the ministry of defense, had changed the system of payments in time and did not count even on such tasks, only in three days , the rent was decently paid, and everything else was 20,000, then we would not have raised this issue we endured for a month or even a month and a half later. this is a question of whether we make an affordable and decent payment, and whoever thinks that

it is large, then take weapons, children . it is no secret to anyone that now the management staff of officers is tasked with reducing the number of days spent on the front lines in order to reduce the salary budget for their unit . well, everyone calculates this at a minimum and at a minimum to pay the soldiers the return of this money. a salary of 20,000 p. sergiu well, as it is, it seems that i am arguing whether the news is fair or not, don’t argue with a feature, of course who would be against the military getting money, but the question is that we have to become adults and adulthood this means not to distribute money that we do not have

, we do not have this money, 150 billion uah are needed to finance this story, and it is stupidly lacking, the only source where we can find these funds is the printing press of the national bank, unfortunately, our western partners cannot block this for us because our western partners have been financing the entire social system in ukraine for the second year , pensions, salaries for teachers, doctors and so on , but it goes exclusively to the social system, they cannot finance the army and we can finance the army from our taxes; b from the funds which remain on the domestic market or dbp and the third part is the printing press of the national bank. thus, if we want to increase payments by 150 billion, and we all think it is fair, yes, it is necessary, but first we have to find where this money comes from, because then we will have the same conversation here in ukraine we had pensions, and let's increase the payments to each pensioner by 10,000 and see who can master it, who can master it, no one. of course, this is fair because pensions in ukraine are very small and

they are unfair. you are manipulating, you know what, because pensions were not reduced for ukrainian pensioners, they remained as they were, the salaries of military personnel were reduced, this was reduced. for example, if a person was mobilized as an officer in the armed forces last year, she knew that she would be an it officer, he was mobilized and his salary was 60,000, now he has 30 000 and he still can't say how to resign from a commercial firm, i'm sorry, it doesn't suit me, because he 's either mobilized or signed a contract , you understand what the difference is, there 's no rotation, and he's not satisfied with this money anymore it was taken on different terms and it is not quite correct to compare it with pensioners . i think i am asking you once again, we do not have this money. you can simply accept this fact. this money does not have a single source - it is funds - it is to print . then let's print, mr. serhiy. well, what what to do with the end of the exchange of funds, well, i know inflation , inflation, devaluation is getting stronger because of that, the salaries of the military are falling

. well, it is probably true, mrs. nino. you wanted to say something, do you know where to find this money? i absolutely do not understand what serhiy is talking about now. funds and us, there were no funds last year and this year there are no funds and i will not print funds now , well, we have to consider this position, it will not be about where to find the funds. budget for the year 2023, if by and large we analyzed all e-e of all managers regarding the wage fund for all managers, the position was taken to raise the wage fund by e inflation indices, i.e. raise exactly so that

to maintain the level they received and to limit them only by raising them for inflation , there are divisions whose salaries have been raised much more in you think this is not an additional resource. with the funds necessary for the repair of the infrastructure, which is critical at the moment, we can partially take half of 30 billion, now we are looking at the sources if from the needle of this harmful one brought by the organizers of gambling games in a certain pocket or to a certain cabinet or to certain people

, we will redirect funds to the state budget , then this is an additional amount this year, the year has just begun, an additional amount of about 60 billion hryvnias. online monitoring of bazaar games and yaka is already worked out, god of them, she has her own , i have her own complaints against her, she has her own complaints with yana, but she must be launched and this process must be controlled, listen if now at least er, well, if we allow or give the opportunity for these shadow streams to go not to certain offices, but to the state budget, we will quickly find this resource in six months, which is needed for an additional 30,000, and it is enough to manipulate it about the fact that there are no funds. the authorities have calculated that one trillion hryvnias are needed for this. you are talking about 150 billion. and i am telling you that i have figures with respect to which i can make calculations and i will not be loud at the same time, i will explain where to get this money and it is not a friend

of money, so if he no need for yours nina well, 150 per month, look, i didn’t set myself the goal of counting, because i thought that it was generally so much, now you know, it’s a thing that demotivates the military because of so many scandals and questions. he sits in government offices for his country but the fact that no one organized a special committee danylo hetmantsev counted a trillion, among other things, so serhiy was told the reception vidislavsky seems but it seems like the arrival of salyards on the roads is in the budget and here is and why well you you understand. if this isn't populism, it's just a question of everyone's survival, then we won't need roads. no one

will take care of pensioners. if you want to take something away and redistribute it in one and the same bill, you have to accept the costs and take them away from the roads. if you want to take away the roads let's accept and take away from the roads if we believe that the roads are not relevant now, i will not argue with this, but we simply need not to distribute hypothetical funds, operate with the funds that are available, because further on it is still the same friend funds because they will say well, let's take them from the roads, then we won't take the savings, let's say that we will redirect some shadow flows there, but then i can hear two flows already , do we have some 100 billion somewhere at the customs office? there is and we have to take them away, but for some reason it is never taken away. therefore, firstly, but this will not change the fact that it will not be taken away this year, and we will deal with you with this fact when there is no money and we will have to print and there will be consequences

, consequences, this is inflation, what this is inflation tax on the poor, and inflation is much more than we saw last year, serhii, let's go to one more point of panin, because we have a lot of time, there is still an important point - this is the limitation of the salary ceiling for the top officials of the state company 67 uah, and already mykhailo zhirnakov writes that they don’t even want a competition in the vkks now. the higher qualification commission of judges already has half of the contestants don’t want to go to work for 67,000, they say, because it’s not interesting enough if there is a conditional engineer or it technician is mobilized for 20,000 for 30 if an officer, then he is also a duty and he has to work, and people do not want to pay for 67 because it is not enough. sergei, i am asking you to speak. i know that you are very actively criticizing this norm. yes, because it is criticism somewhere out there

you can appeal to some kind of universal universal justice, but people come from a different perspective. and if someone comes to the national bank and his salary was cut three times, then what does he do , for example, he finds the support of the national bank, what will he do, he will go where he will be paid the salary he thinks he deserves and he will leave and we will have consequences again with you not the result that oh there is some kind of educational justice why does he want such a salary he wants such a salary because he can get it on the market as soon as you to limit these salaries, a lot of people will get up and leave and won't be and all our explanations of the law will change like that, it's immoral as if they won't get up and leave and will have the opportunity because why would they do it because it's such human nature and you know sports won't be so human nature and they will go or earn more salary, mobilize all these people 20,000 each and send them to the national bank by special order of the commander-in-chief, everyone worked for 20 thousand hares i think that today is of course your birthday, i

congratulate you on this, but uh, well, is it possible to say about such an idea, thank you, sir, madam, for this limitation. well, how adequate it is , look at a few things for mr. serhiy, and the parliament is a political body, and if we made such a decision about an additional payment of 30,000, then just to make changes to the budget and find sources of funding so as not to print money, the ministry of finance has to do this work, i will help him, of course , i will list all these sources, but i would like the ministry of finance to do its work, see the tale of the draft law 71 37, which was submitted by the government on march 14, 22- th year, at the beginning of a large-scale war, the government just predicted the limitation of this ceiling, realizing the lack of necessary finances. but again, all the misunderstandings, because you know that

our ukrainians differ in several qualities, this is the sacrifice that can be in people encourage incredible actions, give the last help to the armed forces with all their might from this health, which they only have and the other side of this coin is and what if my salary was taken away, first of all, the norm regarding the ceiling limitation it is only for the time of martial law, if it is important people consider that your contribution to the armed forces can be made in general a special fund write the names of people or the names of the ministries that donated their funds and their salaries to the armed forces of ukraine for this you need to include only motivation because in fact we have understanding in people are huge, and i would ask you not to sign for all of them for all

tours that receive a salary of 67,000 from the budget, this is not small compared to the condition of our military personnel who receive 20,100 or even those who perform special tasks at the front, where it comes out in three or four days, they receive only an additional reward, i uh, i understand, there would be a desire for this motivation among people who work in the budget sector, in which i have great respect, for which they fought all all the previous years, you know that in the 15th year when the law on civil service was adopted. this was done directly to us by the previous authorities. it is incredible that they accepted such opportunities, such opportunities were given to civil servants. before that, no one wanted to do this, and it was one of the reforms . how can i not talk about it now? we have to be understanding, i say once again, organize

a special fund so that we can see how much each department of latvia donated to the armed forces, and let us take this into account in the future, give us the opportunity to win. thank you, mr. serhiy. how do you feel, please to me, of course, this is demagoguery, because a fund is not a fund, if a person even complains, if a person believes that they are being unfairly taken from him, he will resign and go to another place, and that's it, and we will shoot ourselves at night. this is an appeal to the worst traits of ukrainians. of the soviet union, let's take it and divide it, and this is the worst thing that is being brought out now, this hell that comes up in the comments constantly under this topic , it is for the sake of generating 2% of the necessary amount, that is, if this is at least this idea, let's take money from the rich

we will give it to the military if she worked and completely covered the needs. well, we could discuss it. and it is only 2%. the amount is nothing. the question is that these rich people do not work for a private company, but for a state enterprise owned by you and me. you understand, and for some reason the military that defends the enterprise gets 20, and someone gets 400,000 , that's the question . investment banker and nina yuzhanina , people's deputy of ukraine , are our guests in this part of the broadcast. thank you very much, very important discussion. well, we will conclude the discussion. please stay with us too. thank you. stay with us . you have hearing problems. you cannot

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