[000:00:00;00] do we understand what is happening outside our borders? and outside our borders, such companies serve in their banks , western banks, western banks are starting to treat the complex differently, audit companies are also starting to write more negative conclusions. something about your russian business is highly risky. some clients, we received information about some of our sponsors of the war that their clients, some simply start to refuse, the suppliers refuse to supply the goods because they say , well, i'm sorry, you became the sponsors of the war in fact, management, top management is being fired, it is also a very interesting situation that some international sponsors of the war have started firing key top management because the top manager values ​​his reputation, it is expensive. he receives very high salaries and it becomes toxic for him to work in this group if he not a russian because there is a russian office, it is always in your resume that you worked for a company involved in

the financing of the war, everything in the future after our victory well, this will be a red card for working in global contractors for foreigners as for the russians themselves who remain in russia, who have not left there, who now continue to work as top managers in these companies, ah, how can we influence them then , because we know examples when our office well, i will not name the company our company office is international. it is very patriotic. our ukrainians work there. they are extremely ashamed that their colleagues in russia do, well , they actually help the russians very often , even the russian army. some products are shipped for the russian military . some souvenirs are sold in stores. a striking example is the history of such means, the ukrainian auchan condemned and inconsistency exists, they are absolutely not in contact with each other. it even happens that they take away some

base there, some prices there, their own operating systems, but still the russian office confidently continues to work there, and the international company does not put an end to it. - how to be then with such a situation. when our office is like a pity, you know, there is a chance, our ukrainian or our metro, they are absolutely patriotic - they are workplaces for ukrainians, but on the other hand there is a russian office, here is how to deal with it, how to hate or not to hate , let's talk about it first. excuse me in a few minutes, but now we have a short break, a break . yes,

we will return. let's continue to discuss this topic. we profess different religions, but we all equally believe in ukrainian independence, we turn to god in different ways, but we all share the conviction that today god is with ukraine, we pray in different languages, but side by side we fight for our state, we fight for the victory of light over darkness, for victory of will over slavery for the victory of life over death and life will win, we all believe that our dawn will come soon heh pesach itself christ has risen ramadan-cars life will win over

millions of scared defenseless creatures with every single hope for salvation stela ordinary ukrainians kulyuh oleksandr wandered through a mined forest for three weeks together with he saved the 13th horse feeding on the leaves and bark of animals. oleksandr, the owner of the dog shelter , searched for food in the occupied villages and fed 3.5 thousand dogs with soup for a month. after saving them , the veterinarian svitlana evacuated every day from

there are dozens of animals in the kharkiv ecopark . mykola saved 160 ostriches. after a few months, they gave birth to a hundred little ostriches. the light-heartedness of our people will surely defeat the darkness. 1+1 is back on the air. so, we settled on whether to hate or not to hate and these companies, the ukrainian office and those companies that remained in russia, although the ukrainian office is very often patriotic and work in every way to help the ukrainian to the army as a symbol, how correct is it? the first decision is made at the headquarters in the apartment, not in russia, not in ukraine, but at the headquarters . if we are talking about auchan, this is paris. if we are talking about raiffeisen bank, then this is vienna, and the ukrainian office, for its part, actually has much greater opportunities to

influence the decisions of the headquarters than they sometimes try to demonstrate, and when we start communicating with ukrainians, i i will not name the ukrainian office with which we had communication and we ask questions . and how many times in this more than a year did you contact the headquarters in the apartment with letters ? explain the position, you made a video, recorded a joint where you explained, you took photos of what is happening here and unfortunately, we are faced with a situation that in some cases, the ukrainian fijud never once turned to his schools are holding on to their chairs like this in ukraine, it is visible to disturb the leadership of the corporation somewhere in vienna, in paris

, in berlin, in london, miracles that do not take a position , you know and we wrote to the headquarters immediately after the full-scale invasion. we all simply stopped communicating with them and were completely offended, but from those companies that you have already included in this register of yours, there were some kind of back reactions when they made you understand that they really hurt and that they they don't want it - they would like to fix it somehow they turn to you and write how they react in general, they come in several stages, you know there anger, denial, invasion , then acceptance yes yes we will file a lawsuit and this is what we went through and the trial we came and forgot the depression, the embassy of ours yes and a variety of efforts by the representatives of the countries in which they are represented there, you finance the war and threaten us with embassies, courts, and some other things. we

work with different companies at different stages, but in the end, i am sure that we will all move to the stage of acceptance when they start okay. we understood that we cannot agree with you, we cannot press you. what is your position in principle, because our position is very clear in relation to everyone , the exit from russia is the same. after that, we will exclude you from the sponsors and here they are, we know that international companies, well, they sometimes like a penny to solve one or another issue , the word was sometimes laid on corruption of some of their own goals, like this representative expense, or were there attempts to press on the nazk for so that there was no entry into and granting of this respectable i consider the status of a war sponsor for ukraine, you know if i say that there were attempts to push, then you will ask me a question where is my application to the relevant authorities yes that is, you returned less yes i would say that this is

a straight word to press yes, so that i, as an official, perceive this as pressure, which should force me to submit a corresponding statement, yes, or to write an official letter to the manager, so there was no such incident, but they hire ukrainian lawyers, they do not have ukrainian lobbyists, consultants who also they try to come to explain and so on, but of course there was no brave person who would come and say, here we are, give us an envelope , let's go. in ukraine, in principle, we understand the toolkit that these people use, yes, and that's why exactly on order we started to deal with this direction now , well, we even raised this question in the newsletter, because for many of us it was

a discovery that the nazk gives the status of a sponsor war, and we somehow got used to the fact that at the zk it is more about declarations about corruption of officials, about the initial work for the nabu investigators , because on the basis of the work of the nazk , we have a lot of criminal cases of trail collection, and here suddenly there is such work in this direction, and here in we had a marathon on the air, the head of the nazk, oleksandr novikov. he talked about the fact that nazk has now been given such powers, so please tell us in more detail at what moment nazk received these powers. and you know, for us, it was probably a surprise that this is what we are doing. well, apparently no one expected it, actually, yes, that is, a couple of years ago. we hardly thought that we would face such a challenge as the country . february 27 is the 22nd year. when did ukraine understand? that we need to launch sanctions tools, we need to launch a bunch of other tools and which will be effective economically effective weapons

, in fact, the question has become and which body is capable of taking and pulling this function, and here you know this is a question not only of ukraine, it is actually a question of the whole world because even our partners in the selection coalition, all of their sanctions infrastructure was formed in the interwar period, they were not able, due to their architecture, because it was designed, to apply sanctions so intensively, because even in the american bodies that deal with sanctions and the number of employees of financing tools remained as for example, on 100 sanctions a year , and today they apply more than a thousand a year, yes. and here is a ukrainian woman. ukraine applied the same thing, which we were not ready for. analytical potential and able to create very quickly a-a it components , which product, which will work, which will be user friendly, which will be quoted for users abroad, nazk turned out to be

one of those bodies which is able to take it very quickly and do it february 27, 2022 the first work of nazk in this direction began today. by the way, our portal is nominated for an international competition. we made it to the finals. we hope that in may we will receive an award. a unique product, and these partners of ours who communicate with us, metal, these people who evaluated the tender commission, the tender proposals, they are surprised, they say how is it possible after a full-scale invasion to start from scratch and create a portal to come up with these international structures of war and everything else yes, but here i think that it was very correct because in fact when we sigh with the challenge for which they were ready, here the question is not what is the name of the body , what is written in the law. yes, regarding its authority, the question is who

is able to take it and do it quickly exactly as it is needed and not a drop, it turned out now with the work of the nsdc because we are used to the sanctions policy in our country, the nsdc, the nsdc imposes certain sanctions, we have the president's orders appear there. and you, your work, nazk, is a separate direction. you cooperate with the nsdc in and there you support and together develop some documents you pick up the decisions of the nsdc or the nsdc pick-up system of work how it happens we interact very effectively in fact today a very effective interaction has really been built between different bodies of the nsdc - this is essentially the penultimate stage already before the decrees of the president a-and before the nsdc there is an interdepartmental working group created under the cabinet of ministers and which includes all the first persons of the bodies involved in the sanctions process and can you imagine in ukraine at the same table meeting every week the first persons of the sbu, the prosecutor general's office, and the ministry of economy, and

the main directorate of intelligence , the foreign intelligence service, and so on, who discuss sanctions issues as a sub-inspection of the working group, an export group has been created, where include the heads of structural units who work out solutions that are already voted on by the interdepartmental working group, and the nazk is included in both the expert group and the interdepartmental working group, and all the work we do is brought to the expert group. we play important roles there in terms of generalizing all proposals in terms of conducting analytical work, identification of new sanctions targets , detection of sanctions entry schemes, we work on it all with all bodies, each body makes its contribution, documents are analyzed then, at the interdepartmental working group , the members vote for it, and after that, these proposals, through the security service, are submitted to the national security council, the national security council, if they support them, they support them, and then we already

see the decrees of the president and the consequences in the form of abramovich, which are being sold for the first time on the air, it was heard that the detailed system for making a decision on the adoption of sanctions, the results, to be honest, are not so mechanical, so i would like to return to the sanctions site or go. in such a way that a company enters this international register of war sponsors , it hurts them at first. maybe they even go somewhere to cry at home in the kitchen, but what happens after a certain time, they forget about this story and operate businesses with usual er, that's why i want you, i just understood from your words that this is really like a warning shot, and then some sanctions should come, but on the basis of this entry in this register, can the company fall under

ukrainian sanctions or maybe under ukrainian and even south-western, of course, it can be more, you know, but they don’t have that moment. and when they get used to living with it, because we have a company that we contributed a few months ago, and every day , weeks, months, they have the opposite effect from the introduction, it only increases because their activities there are becoming more and more complicated . of course, they can fall into the ukrainian sub-western sanctions, a very good example is for example, the same raiffeisen bank aval because, on the one hand, it fell into international sponsors of the war, on the other hand, we see a direct reward from the bank to the russian military for committing war crimes in the form of credit holidays or the provision of special preferential loans to the russian military here is already the question of whether they are complicit in such a situation if you reward the russian military

we already know that as of today appropriate checks are already being carried out by the american authorities of the bank, we know that the european central bank has already contacted the appropriate management of raiffeisen regarding its presence in russia, and with each passing day the clouds over such entities are getting thicker, and i think that those who do not make the only correct decision to exit may be subject to sanctions another company as a candidate you know is one that can be called a potential candidate for sanctions. it is the italian company daniel because it is a company that supplies russia with equipment used for metalworking. and it is still making deliveries to sub-sector russian enterprises, including enterprises for the example of the oligarch mardashuv and so on, and from these enterprises with the help of this equipment, then what is supplied directly in russian is produced, and the company has not yet made a decision to leave

russia, the company is still present there hires employees and so on. and here, in principle, i would probably name these two subjects - these are those who can already move to the sanctioned list in case they do not change answer a who will make the decision to enter the sanctions list, you put this war sponsor marker, provided the argument, and then each country separately is the ukrainian national security and defense council, who should make this decision in order for them to be included on the basis of what you said , their activities were sanctioned which actually makes this list for western sanctions of future candidates, so to speak . yes, we are also included in this a-a group e-e stanford international group on russian sanctions for active participants. we

take part in the development of papers that are not are issued and also there, of course, these issues are raised, if we are talking about ukraine, then the decisions will be made just as i described to you, the expert group , the interdepartmental working group, handed over to national security, and accordingly, of course, the final decision by the supreme commander-in-chief, by volodymyr zelenskyi, if we are talking about the international coalition, then you know the laws, of course each country has an appropriate sanctioning procedure and decisions are made by its sanctioning bodies . we are talking about you. for example, about austrian banks or about an italian company, it is unlikely that these decisions will be made by countries separately. of course, they will be discussed if we are talking about the european union - it is at the level of the european union at the level of their meeting; if we are talking about other countries - it is at the level j7 all the more so as we know that today j7 has been created. we have high hopes for this mechanism , the implementation information mechanism, in fact group a-a where each country delegates its representatives

who will deal with it in order to strengthen it implementation of these sanctions. therefore, it will be accepted as a matter of course. it seems to me that the working order should first be discussed between the countries of the sanctions coalition, whether it should be done by all countries. they know about this problem, you do not know about international sponsors, and the ministry of foreign affairs regularly hears from our partners, the question on this matter is preparing information. we help them prepare information in order to explain what the problem is, that this is not just some whim of ukraine. yes, and that we really have enough evidence in order to indicate such information on your portal, so we hope that soon our first leroy merlin will announce that they are coming out and it is really vivid. that is, no one believed, i think that if you remember what happened six months ago when we introduced them, i will tell you honestly, and even those nazk employees who introduced them, well, liro-malin is unrealistic. and what about the public sector? in general, they and he

were absolutely desperate that luroy merlen would announce his exit. you see, they already announced. i think that we will hear such statements from many others, and the natural persons are in your register, and if so, what are they at risk of? yes , we have natural persons in three categories. objects, what are lists of shame? these are citizens of the countries of the sanctions coalition, which is headed by large state or non-state russian enterprises. after the full-scale invasion, we had under a thousand people there from the very beginning , to date the list has decreased by half, that is, more than half of the people, and they they just wrote a resignation letter and they can’t go to a new level already from the lists of shame to sub-sanctions they wrote a resignation letter they wrote in nazk about what pay attention to write a resignation letter exclude from there and you

know it’s very interesting how they write they everyone writes to them almost everyone's letters start the same i happened to see my last name on your portal i always say and i'm really curious how a citizen of italy or germany there accidentally decided to read the portal nationalities until the evening. and what to do on the site of nazk? i'm looking for something there. they might be interested in it. if they got into this one, there are some other than that. well, it can be oblique. someone will look at the future of his reputation. somehow it will have an effect. well, i think that the future reputation and opportunities, maybe there are some more nuances , these are people who want to have more than just a future, who want to have a future leading large companies. this is professional management, which heads large companies that have their internal

security services, their company services, and when you if you are offered as a candidate for a major position in such a large company, then internal security begins to check you, they say that they were here in the lists of shame as an official who here you see a photo of him hanging on himself to influence what yes why should we take a person who is toxic and it is related to the administration of one of them, you know the last name, not the name. perhaps there are ukrainians there, which ukraine has some oligarchs , ukraine oligarchs, you know , these people are unknown to ukrainians, why? people who are known in the narrow steps of those who are not called out in the media, but who, nevertheless, do more harm than those who are cursed, and for them, in fact, these lists of shame have a very significant effect, because in this small world of professional top management , the most important thing is what you have reputation and here's what's interesting. we also had several waves there. you know, their release was first released

by those who are very, very ashamed or very, very expensive reputation, then there was a second wave , after it became clear that this war will not end in three months or two weeks, as russia promised, and this is the second wave of those who have already understood that it will not end, then there was a third wave at the beginning of the 23rd year, they were, you know , the most impudent who waited until they received an annual bonus in order to be released, all of them now we are starting the fourth wave of layoffs, these are those who have already seen that everything is happening in russia, yes, they already understand that and you know this, i would say here that in the fourth wave it is not even the effect of the tool because the effect of the tool was the first three waves and these are the ones who have seen that there is no future in russia. and by staying there, they are putting a cross on their future. and they already understand that it is better to quit anyway, let us

get a lower salary somewhere, but i still expect to quit that these lists of shame, we will bring them to zero in the end. that is, we will come to this because there is really a positive dynamic very cool thesis at the end of the program russia is a country without a future and people without a reputation continue to work there thank you very much for an interesting conversation zagrebska per person responsible for the sanctions policy we will cut down we will cut down pas- we will cut down the position thank you we are a free country of free people a country where different religions freely coexist where ramadan passover and the holy

resurrection of the lord are celebrated where human freedom freedom of religion is enshrined in the constitution and protected by law where a full-time chaplain is a clergyman , a psychologist and a reliable brother. is valued above all else, we stand up and we will celebrate the victory, united together with faith in our hearts. sometimes they told me that every day is a difficult day because it is a prison. when they were given water on their teeth, they started to hate us and we even realized that the more they start beating us there, the better

the affairs of our military are on the front lines, so they are winning, g - voice is not born. who are you? i thought that it was varki, and he was pixels for today and it was such happiness, he said, glory to ukraine, i wanted to cry from happiness, we are ukrainians, we are ukrainians we will definitely win now we can watch how it will look like we have to finish the work of our parents' generations and we will do it these are the heroes from monday to friday 11:00 p.m. in marathon the only news is what are ukraine's chances for the success of the spring offensive as russia drives its future soldiers into the dark corner and the continuation of the epic with the kyiv-pechersk lavra we talk about the main news of wednesday in the final issue of tsn in

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the russians attacked kharkiv oblast in kupyansk area, a 62-year-old woman was wounded due to shelling , two houses were destroyed. and in the afternoon, the russians shelled the village of two-year-old two men died from serious injuries. a 63-year-old woman was hospitalized , she is in an extremely serious condition. the weapon of the drone and its remains fell in the middle of the field and caused a large-scale fire under the enemy fire of nikopol in the dnipropetrovsk region, the occupiers fired artillery at residential buildings from zavali , rescuers found a 72-year-old man and a woman was hospitalized, and two more people are being treated at home after providing assistance, in general shelling, the enemy damaged 13 private houses, farm buildings and cars , nuts and gulyaipole in zaporizhzhia the other day under the fire of the russians in a day, they covered the private residential sector and the enterprise in general, according to

the police, in just one day, the occupiers damaged 25 buildings in the region, according to the latest data, people estimated more than 100 mortar and artillery attacks per day in sumy oblast, the enemy is shelling border villages and dropping from drones, explosive devices in the morning, the enemy opened fire on the bilopol community in khotynska, hit the warehouse of an agricultural company, the gutted premises miraculously survived without a fire in the novoslobodsk community, two private houses were hit by mortar fire, people were not injured, and holy week is not celebrated because it is in donetsk region, russian troops are taking the last houses in the marines, small groups attack near ugledar, our defenders are holding the defense and preparing for easter , the first passovers and guests have already arrived at the front says tsn correspondent oleksandra zagorodnyi , this is the road to marianna. the city itself. well, what was left of it has just been fired at half the sky in