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[000:00:00;00] in fact, very interesting, yes, about a girl who photographs the war, and now ivan samodyuk is with us, the first deputy mayor of energodar, mr. ivan. we are happy to welcome you. good day . good day. good day. well, literally the day before, mr. ivan, i read dmytro orlov , the mayor of energodar, he gave an interview in nikopol new well, a short comment in which he said that the psychological state of the civilian population of energodar leaves much to be desired . according to his information , there are only 15 people left in the city of 53,000 people. and these are mostly workers of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. the elderly and those who simply could not leave their relatives because of their condition , what is happening in energodar, tell us directly, please, please, well , negative emotions are accumulating in energodar today, and the occupiers
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are trying in every way to create an atmosphere as if there are queues for passports, i.e. forced passporting is underway. there is coercion to conclude a contract of employees who work at nuclear plants. has he not concluded a contract with rosatom and there are some panicky moods in the country? the possibility of evacuation has been announced to the leadership of the nuclear power plant to the leaders of the local occupation authorities, the utility company is on standby with the families to the evacuation center, the first expectation is the counter-offensive and the fact that it is de- occupied among itself, it is not today is in doubt not only among the patriots, but also
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among the majority of those who will remain in the territory, including the russian servicemen. i think there are representatives of the rosatoms present on the territory, yes, evacuation is being prepared for them, no evacuation are preparing for the employees of the nuclear power plant who have signed contracts with the plant, that is, for the residents of energodar who have always been residents of energodar for representatives of collaborators who went to work in the executive or in the so-called administration local gentlemen ivan because we participation is being discussed now, this week there was a leak from the american pentagon of secret semi-secret information and the british reported in detail literally a week ago
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about what seems to be on the night of october 19 600 ukrainian military personnel on 30 small, low-engine fast boats with a large number of weapons, large-caliber machine guns, grenade launchers, apparently tried to disembark through the kakhov reservoir there, either from manganese or from nikopol, and seize the nuclear power plant. capture from the side of the kakhovsky sea of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant do you yourself believe in this story or that it could be true, please, if it were some kind of truth, it seems to me that we would own this, at least in the sense that there would be some kind of leak of such information, because out of 600 people , there would definitely be someone there who went to the army from the residents of energodar, we don't have any information about such an operation, mr. ivan, you said that those who signed contracts with rosatom and
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the residents of energodar, so what is the approximate number of these people who cooperate? well, what is the nature of this cooperation ? -th station is it all the same the choice is how to treat this , first of all we have to understand that a nuclear power plant is a special object that can simply be left like that and not exploited. only those who have concluded contracts, but they also encourage those who do not want to do this to be thrown into the basements and thus exert pressure, and most of them are those who were forced to enter into such contracts, so my personal opinion is that the majority of energy donors who work
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on the zaporizhzhia power plant. these are those who will happily return to lon for ukrainian and statehood and will work for the benefit of atomic energy, but we know exactly the lists of those who clearly cooperate with which ones. well, i think that our legislation will not allow them to be justified mr. ivanenko and in general, we often talk about this topic, what is your position, is there any position, the instructions of the ukrainian authorities, well, in particular, the management of energo, how to act with those employees of the station who cannot leave the city , leave the station or sign contracts with energy companies or not well, the position is that you don’t sign contracts, it’s not exactly a position either, because sometimes there are other
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elections, your attitude is there, is there any general line ? sit down for collaborationism. sorry, after the dismissal, there were no instructions, and the difficult situation is further complicated by the fact that until the month of october, the support of the employees of the zaporizhzhia single power plant who are not working and did not go to work at the power plant there, eh, the number did not work since october, those who were on layoff were not able to work, eh, and began to receive state support, that is, compensation of two thirds of their wages, my personal opinion, this is an absolutely question not settled, a lot of workers got into conditions about which they uh sincerely took into account that they uh fulfill their civic duty not leaving the nuclear power plant and not
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handing it over to the uh hands of the occupiers, my own opinion is better uh let nuclear power plant operated or maintained by those specialists who worked on it, who expect that they will work on it after the deoccupation, mr. volya. well, and about the russian rosatom enterprise, which has not been subject to any european world sanctions, it is actively building various energy facilities, it seems, there and even on the territory of the european union. they will do something. why, a year after the actual occupation of the zaporozhye nuclear power plant by rosatom and its leadership, no, no, no, why is ukraine not pedaling this issue, and no, no, no promotes in the world public, world opinion public opinion i am sure that ukrainian diplomats attach to this situation, but the world today has not yet reached a clear understanding of double standards, and sooner or later this
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issue will be resolved unambiguously. i am sure that all the requirements for the transformation of russian society into a democratic one society will be brought to its logical conclusion, how are the occupiers currently strengthening their defenses, or are they strengthening their defenses of the nuclear power plant itself? we can see additional lines of protection today when approaching the nuclear power station, and buses will drop off workers much further away. and on the site of the station, additional protective structures are being prepared, but also, in recent months , a significant increase in the number of military personnel who are settling in rural areas, therefore
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preparations are being made to what extent they will be ready for what for. time will tell. the head of the ukrainian energy atom petro kotin expressed the assumption that it will be possible to return from the npp if the ukrainian army will be able to move south towards crimea and melitopol further quote - this is the only option to turn back the station without direct shelling and direct attack on the territory of the station it is very dangerous to do such things to fire near nuclear materials said petro kotin and what do you think is the way liberate the nuclear plant today we have a lot of specialists who advise today how to do it, how to liberate, i am sure that the military and the main directorate of intelligence know very well not only about it actively and closely they are consulting with ikotin and other energy specialists on how to do
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the most painless process of deoccupation of such an object. well, in the end, i would like you to tell us and share your experience. and so we talked about people who find themselves in a situation where they are forced to work employees of the station or residents of the occupied cities. well, you did not agree to cooperate with the enemy, for which you were taken prisoner for 333 days, er, you were actually held captive by the enemy. please tell me what kind of cooperation was offered to you, and how it happened well, i already said earlier that the russians from the first weeks sincerely believed that they would be met with cows with borscht and flowers , so it was really a surprise for them that the population treated them as occupiers and their behavior
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expectations was like an undeniable necessity or an undeniable duty of the local authorities to cooperate with them, the power of the energy donor did not go for it and uh, if steps were taken on their part to force everyone to work in uh or to think differently even after mine er, they didn’t manage to do the kidnapping with the authorities of the energy donor, mr. ivan, who, i’m sorry, the russians like to offer this word, the russians like to offer it to you in particular. well, in general , hm, residents of the energy donor, to the employees of the station , so that they would go to the side of the occupiers . the mats are alone or live or not live there is nothing else there, what are the mats and they are able to speak only in the language of torture and language or will live or will not live
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it is on of the entire territory, all the inhabitants of the occupied territories today, no one has any doubts about why they came, with what methods they came to ukraine, to our lands, and what kind of world should we say, what values do you mention about a few percent of people who are actively cooperating, who in principle are spreading russian measures there and are ready to torture ukrainian citizens with their own hands. what should be the ukrainian position to similar characters well, first of all, i am sure that they will go to crimea, they will be a human shield for the russians against the offensive of the ukrainian army, their place is to be a shield in the future , so it is unlikely that they will have
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the sense today to flee from the city and flee from such territory, the position should be unequivocal, a traitor who helped to torture and enslave the country to a place in the country among us, should we now condemn such people in absentia ? cases of er sentences that are handed down and how did you get kidnapped by armed people er intercepted me in a car, put me in their car at gunpoint and without explaining anything they took me to the er place of knitting well, how come you refused to cooperate with them after that how did i unload the humanitarian cargo, medicines, medicines, blood, humanitarian transfer of medicines for the population, and after , of course, after they refused
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to cooperate. and where were you taken, was it the same place of detention or different? the first 138 days i was kept in single cell e-e in to the melitopol pre-trial detention center, an isolator, temporary detention, and the rest of the time 185 days in garages, commercial buildings, to the vasylkiv district, how did they treat you, well, to all the prisoners, thank you for your work, mr. ivan , for finding time for us, ivan samodyuk, er, deputy mayor of energodar, thank you for the last one information from ukrzaliznytsia is important for people who want to leave the front-line territories that are under
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daily shelling . oblast, this is an evacuation train from the city of pokrovsk, donetsk region, from april 18, that is, from wednesday, from tuesday, from tuesday, i apologize, it is changing the place of arrival. if it previously ran to the cherkasy region, now it will arrive in the city of berdychiv, zhytomyr region , the website of the ministry for the reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories reports everything flights will be made once every four days on even numbers, the departure time is 2:15 p.m. and it is said in me that internally displaced persons will be accommodated in free shelters in the zhytomyr region will provide financial, humanitarian and psychological assistance, as well as social support, willing to evacuate, they must first register by calling the number , well, i will read it several times
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, it is possible for someone 098 890 33 - 18 098 890 33 18 and 0.66 285 62 90 066 285 62 90 or inform us of your intentions on the hotline of rural village councils and military administrations serhii grabskyi joins our broadcast , a military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions, a reserve colonel. congratulations to serhiy good morning to you. good afternoon. prime minister denys myhal told when the ukrainian counteroffensive , which everyone is talking about, can begin in the summer, according to shmygal. i'm sorry, i'm telling everyone that i 'm very strongly opposed to the designation counteroffensive, we conduct offensive operations because counteroffensives are certain tactical actions
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that, for example, took place recently in the podrodievka where we managed to feel of the enemy and because this is a counter-offensive counter-attack. and we are carrying out strategic offensive actions , and so they require careful preparation, and therefore we cannot talk about any deadlines, whether it will be in the spring, or whether it will be the beginning of summer or the middle of summer, or even the end of summer, because we cannot -th strategy requires to be fully prepared when preparing such offensive actions, and in relation to the personnel of the weapons and ammunition equipment, we understand that the stocks that are transferred to us well, simply physical is not enough to conduct large-scale offensive actions. in this way, we are talking about the fact that the general staff and only the general staff decides when and how to start such offensive actions based on its own indicators and the amount of information that it will be as you evaluate in
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view of the information that you possess now it is appropriate to talk about the offensive . it is appropriate to talk about the offensive. itself plays a very serious role and the enemy is now showing signs of panic. they are brazenly trying to build some defensive structures, they don't know where the offensive will begin. and that's why we see those megastructures like the melitopol gorge and we see those the fortifications that they built , what kind of cholera on the beaches of our crimea , and so on and so on and so on, and
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that is why we need to talk about the offensive. we are morally and psychologically ready and we have no right to reduce the pace of our readiness to support the armed forces of ukraine in this direction, that is why we need to talk about it, mr. serhiy. and you, as a military man, how do you assess this situation that arose in the ukrainian parliament? when the parliament first approves the relevant draft law and votes for it, then a resolution is registered which challenges the procedure for the adoption of this draft law by a deputy by vote of one deputy, now this whole story is postponed per month because the parliament will meet next time only in may, because in the conditions of war the parliament can meet only once a month and that's it, and they can't vote and make decisions more often . how does all this affect the combat effectiveness of the army? already started to write about
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the fact that the imf seems to be against this draft law, so it is trying, through its controlled deputies, to delay this process, how does this affect the ability, including preparation for it the offensive operation is interesting, first of all well, there is no need to attract the imf everywhere as someone who is an evil policeman who does some such or actions that can harm ukraine. the imf is completely useless here. the imf only accepts the proposals submitted by the state and based on those proposals that the state submits, it already regulates its policy regarding what is happening in our parliament, well, for god's sake, who voted for such a parliament , let me be responsible for it . that is why we are talking about the fact that the choice that our people made in 2019 and received such lines, we have today in 2023
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such swaying from side to side. that is why we select and give, of course, for military personnel, this is how to say. you don't know very well. if there was a frank conversation and she said that guys, so and so, we can't just physically do it because everything happened, such and such things happened, the guys understood, we understand such things, but there are many other things that need to be explained , why are the guys on the road? that's the point, that's why i said that we should go back to 2019 and many of our compatriots should look in the mirror and ask themselves what i did by electing such a government , well, this is my personal opinion, but we are at war now and i think we will leave these conversations behind for later, because anyway we will figure out what happened and how, but for now, let's say of course , there is a certain irritation in the troops , well, this does not mean that tomorrow everyone will raise their hands and
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go to surrender or simply leave the position . everyone understands what needs to be done, what needs to be done defend the state, fulfill the number one task, liberate our territories, and only then we will figure it out, if god gives us reason and we do not repeat the mistakes of 2019, this is an annoyance. well, just military people . well , they are disciplined. what is the conclusion, what is the nature of this irritation, well, that is, they are outraged, they are shocked by these decisions, what did they give to take away, you know well, to say that outrage is in shock, not in shock, no because well, many people are simply aware that if we are in power, i'm sorry that i say this during the war, but you have to understand that there are certain hopes, certain expectations. and you know, when the state opposes and then takes it away , then shows you that gingerbread again, it somehow does not add such optimism and confidence in the future, that's what it's all about
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, because a soldier does not earn money, he has nowhere else to earn money, therefore he is completely dependent on what the state gives him, they also fill up cars and repair them for their own money, this is what we all know and hear in private conversations with acquaintances do they spend their money on all these basic needs that are closed and we help them very much because i did not dramatize it very much, of course the guys do it possible in order to, er, complete combat tasks, they improve themselves, by the way, well, i am not talking about refueling cars. this of course, it is a crime, but here too, in each specific case, it is necessary to understand, because let's not forget, if we say so bureaucratically, boys are given a large number of cars, and some are allocated, for example, a fuel limit of 100 cars, and in the part of 120 cars, where will the fuel for 20 cars come from? i'm sorry, i say this as a logistics officer, and you have to understand that you always
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have to thoroughly investigate each specific case, they are refueling, then it's also interesting to ask about the form, because we ask, and they it's already the summer uniform, so how about the day after tomorrow, and they say well, no, no, no, well, we ourselves, we buy it ourselves, so we don't need it, you know what. well, we also have a profile place. i don't agree with you that there are problems , there are problems. is also the dynamics of hostilities when this form of clothing is simply destroyed in the streets. and you know the problems of the ministry. i would say that this is a general problem. well, if we can talk about it. at conferences, it does not have such that the troops constantly issue a uniform, you are issued a uniform once and then a certain amount is issued for which you buy everything you need instead of sitting and waiting for them to give you there every 3 months, it
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is not effective, it is very expensive unfortunately we are not overcame this situation and we have what we have, this is our common problem, a state problem, because we say it about the transition to nato standards, but let's be honest that we have not yet fully transitioned to those standards, and in particular, logistics is a very wide field for improvement on in this direction, therefore, taking into account the dynamics of hostilities and the bureaucratic nature of our system, especially the system of support and logistics, which is not logistics, which cannot simply, well, instantly respond to all needs, we have such situations that we have but if we talk about the base and the needs of the troops. well, i have not yet seen a single fighter of the 2014 model in 2023 , when they are fighting there in sweatpants, er, in sneakers or slippers, there
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is no such thing. because they bought it the day before tera and there is no ministry is used to the fact that no one hits them on the hands if there is no planned well when i'm there on the 15th er when in october yes and april 15 should be like that er er again vo- volunteers are not volunteers, but there is a standard form of clothing that appears to be standard shoes, i will honestly say that i am i never walked in standard shoes, i always bought myself special shoes because it was impossible to wear what we were given in the 90s . it was impossible, especially in my native country . let 's be honest. should pass a law corresponding to the fact that we are changing the very principle of provision and this is no longer a ministerial matter, but this is the matter of our state, the deputies closed in a circle, let's go back, let's go back to the heart of the military, did you mention our offensive operation and did you mention those fortifications
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the buildings that the russians are building in crimea, which do you think are still promising directions, given that, for example, in melitopol, we already included one of the experts today, she said that there are several defense tanks and fortifications built there, in your opinion, what are they currently in view of all this, there are promising directions for this ukrainian strike, you know. well, i have repeatedly said that for us, melitopol is such a trigger and indicator of the liberation of the south of ukraine . melitopol as an indicator. well, as a location that can simply be so symbolic the point from which the liberation of crimea began, on the other hand, in principle, if we expand this concept, the access to the sea of azov is important for us. the sea of azov and the access to the sea of azov means that we cut the so-called land corridor from russia to crimea we have the opportunity to bring our firepower to the coast of the sea of azov, which will significantly increase our
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ability to strike crimea. that is, we are actually isolating crimea, and then the matter of liberating crimea will be a matter of several months ago, of course they can dig under the melitopol and under the tokmak under the canopy of the trench, as many as you like, it is not necessary that we will storm the ulob, you know, it is possible to create a mass such a powerful defense system as, for example, the plural line was created before the second world war , it greatly helped the french well, probably not so in the same way, in other areas , it is necessary to understand that the main thing is not defensive structures, but the motivation of the troops that defend them, that is why when we talked with you about the need to talk about the offensive about offensive operations that affect the moral and psychological state of the enemy, it also affects the moral and psychological state of the enemy because all defensive structures
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are so in the case when someone defends and we remember that the enemy created three lines of defense around kherson and this helped him a lot and probably not we liberated the right-bank kherson region without much difficulty, although it was a hard work of several months, which we are actually already conducting. if we talk about the offensive, we can say that the offensive has already begun, it is being conducted because it is enough to look at the summary of the general staff to see that we are carrying out from 20 to 40 strikes on enemy targets in the depth of the battle formations with regard to the russians . briefly , what is their operational task now? day everything is the most they are unable to do that they are desperately trying to do it or at least at least show minimal achievements i am afraid that the pressure on our positions will intensify well based on the fact
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that may 9 is approaching you understand that they will try to put pressure on the positions on this day . thank you very much, mr. serhiy serhiy , a military expert from grab, a participant in peacekeeping missions, a reserve colonel and a logistics officer. of the ukrainian offensive in azov, yes, and the honorable memory of the ukrainian dead is a light memory of all tortured civilians killed by the military , light memory will be honored with a minute of silence the memory of ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war
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