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greetings - this is freedom life my name is vlasta lazur we let's start ukraine insists that the black sea, like the baltic sea, become a nato sea, how realistic is this and what is the general strategy of the usa and nato in the black sea , let's talk in a minute, the arbitration tribunal at the permanent chamber of the arbitration court in gaza obliged russia to pay a record 5 billion dollars in compensation to naftogaz for damages to ukraine and lost property in crimea, who and what will force russia to pay this compensation well , us president joe biden said that the american government is close to identifying the person involved in the leak of secret military documents that were published on social networks and at the same time, the washington post writes that behind the leak is a young twenty-year-old man who loves weapons and probably serves at one of the us military bases, so is there

a russian trace here, what is the effect of this leak and what was the motivation of those who did it about it today svoboda life well, if you watch us on the internet, like this broadcast, support independent journalism in this way and subscribe to the radio freedom channel on youtube if you are not already subscribed well, ukraine also calls for the integration of its systems anti-air and anti-missile defense and nato allies, it is in particular about the regions of the black and baltic seas. the black sea must become what the baltic sea has already become, the nato sea said today the minister of foreign affairs of ukrainian affairs, dmytro kuleba, at the opening of the black sea security conference, which is happening right now in bucharest, kuleba's calls have already responded in the kremlin , in particular, the spokesman of the russian president , dmytro piskov, said that this will never happen , they say, the black sea will never be a nato sea in bucharest in my colleague sashko shevchenko is working at the moment. he is contacting us

directly. sashko. my greetings. please tell me how in general bucharest reacted to these appeals of ukraine, in particular dmytro kuleb about the fact that the black sea can become, more precisely, must become a nato sea. i congratulate you. actually, the minister of foreign affairs of romania, bohdana orescu, also called for nato to clearly indicate and give a clear signal to ukraine when ukraine will be able to join the alliance, he also spoke about this and the minister of defense of lithuania, arbiter nušauskas, he said that at the next nato summit, which will be held in july in vilnius, the alliances should finally determine the terms of when, when, when the country will be able to join nato. that is, it is possible to say that at least several ministers of foreign affairs of defense supported this idea and stand for this very thing, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine dmytro kuleba also spoke about this. he

was not able to personally join the security conference in bucharest , but he joined online, he spoke about now more than ever, the black sea region needs a security concept and that the threat from russia existed before, but the west previously reacted to it inadequately, and therefore it is now impossible to underestimate new risks. i suggest you listen to what dmytro said fear-mongering closed nato's doors to ukraine and georgia in 2008 russia quickly responded by attacking both russia started to become a maniac but some leaders decided the best strategy was to keep me satisfied it 's time to turn the black sea into what the baltic sea has become inland by sea nato, also against the background of the black sea security conference, which has already ended in bucharest, the second

ever meeting in the format of the ukraine-moldova triangle took place in romania, this time they spoke at the level of the minister of foreign affairs, the ministers of defense talked about security issues, about how together the three countries can increase the defense capability of ukraine, but also contribute to the restoration of the territorial integrity of both ukraine and moldova , about the development of a joint concept of black sea security, and also about technical cooperation between the three countries when the ministers themselves had statements to the press, i suggest you listen to what the minister of foreign affairs of romania said, we talked about strengthening our tripartite cooperation for of common resistance, because our three countries are united, the conflict in ukraine has a great impact on regional and euro-atlantic security, but also on the security of moldova. this is our main message today and during the tripartite conversation and within the conference

. neither ukraine nor moldova are alone in the face of the threat. well and also in the context of black sea security , they talked about the issue of the transnistria region. with the help of ukraine, let's listen to what he said, we have a very firm position , the only way to resolve the conflict in the transnistrian region is through reintegration, peace talks, dialogue, diplomatic efforts, and we are all involved in these negotiations, ukraine is a mediator in the process of resolving the conflict around the transnistrian region, but we are also coordinating our efforts with romania , ukraine, the eu and the usa regarding these issues

, the dialogue with representatives of russia is ongoing, we have a clear interest in withdrawing russian troops and reintegrating our ukraine in general if to talk about the black sea security conference, it is the first time that such a platform is being held within the crimean platform and mendzheparova is the first deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine . it is possible to react to the dangers in the black sea region already now and what concept should be developed for the future here in the comments she told us eh p cheparova said that this the document has already been processed, and the countries that joined today are ready to talk about such issues as, in particular, demining of the black sea, the integration of anti-aircraft

missile defense, and other urgent issues. in fact, they will talk about it within the framework of this mechanism. also announced that a meeting will soon take place again in the format of a triangle between romania, moldova and ukraine, but they will already talk about energy issues and this meeting should take place within the next few months, please thank you very much sashka shevchenko is joining us live from bucharest. thank you very much sashka. so, ukraine insists that the black sea, like the baltic sea, become a nato sea . how realistic is this? what does this mean ? it's us now and we will talk to the air oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign security policy of the center for defense strategies oleksandr my greetings

words of dmytro kuleba let's make the black sea a nato sea this means take us to nato does this mean that let's sign some kind of additional agreement, ukraine is not in nato yet and somehow determine the strategy of nato and the usa on the black sea. how to understand it. well, i think that these are several steps that must be taken. it is clear that ukraine needs finnishization so that we are mutually compatible signs and at the right time , we became members of nato, this is the only guarantee of security for ukraine against the base civil and nuclear russian federation . document that was prepared by the expert community, it consisted of several points, the first is that the black sea black sea region has been so neglected for too long

, they did not pay attention to it in the 14th year, when there was an illegal annexation of the crime, nato strengthened its allies in the baltics, the baltic republics and poland and the black sea was so neglected that we saw the valley of the militarization of crimea, which allowed a large-scale invasion to be carried out in 2022, and now we are constantly threatened by missile strikes from the black sea but let's also remember that the russian federation used crimea as a springboard in order to strengthen its malicious and dangerous presence in the middle east in north africa. that is precisely why the return of crimea and the reduction of, let's say , the offensive potential of the russian federation in the black sea is not only important for ukraine is not only important for the countries of the region, but also for europe as a whole and the world. that is exactly why the idea

voiced by minister flash is absolutely correct, as russia cannot feel free and threaten the countries of the baltic region, the same thing should happen here, and there are several approaches. well, the first is the voyage convention, which does not allow non-black sea countries to spend more than 20 days in the black sea, and there are also nato restrictions. we are not going to question the rights turkey to regulate the entrance to or exit from the black sea, but still the rotational presence of nato is important, it actually ended a month and a half before the large-scale invasion, this is bad. the second thing is the second thing that we can do with the help of external partners that is, not the black sea countries. this is to strengthen the potential of ukraine and romania, primarily

the naval potential. i mean here, too, we have reason to hope that they will help us. there is also a program for the modernization of the ukrainian navy, which is not being implemented by britain. there is also a loan and a willingness to build necessary for our military and naval forces, ships and boats, certainly there are american partners and certainly there are others who can join in this. therefore, this is the second such moment that we can already start doing further. this is really a mine mine threat because and ukraine and russia used a mini barricade in order for us to protect ourselves from landings on the black sea coast of ukraine by the russians in order to hinder both our military means and actually peaceful shipping is a security issue we have the so-called black sea grain initiative it is actually

imposed on us under threat application or use of force. unfortunately, we cannot force russia, let's say so, not to interfere with free navigation. but of course we can appeal, and we appealed in this document to the western partners in order for them to ensure the safety of e-e shipping for peaceful ships and, first of all, this is our contribution to the food security of the world. well, there are true niche questions. he reacted to the words of a colleague and he said that well, no, this will never happen , the black sea will not be a nato sea well, you know, first of all, the dog is barking, the caravan is going, and secondly, there was no such thing in history when russia seized crimea, so that it did not lose it, and it is not the first time that the russian federation has had to sink its own photos

so that they did not reach the enemy a given that that today we are celebrating the anniversary of the correct path of the cruiser moscow, i think that we have the opportunity to send it there and more of these russian vessels and, of course, to make the black sea more moderate due to the reduction of the aggressive potential of the russian federation , it is clear that kyiv will return to ukraine in my opinion there is no doubt that the question can be asked only at this time, but at this conference , in fact, all the participants started with the fact that crimea is ukraine. and secondly, if we support you in getting it back to you because they understand that crimea is a direct threat to ukraine, of course, the humanitarian component is crimean tatars , ukrainian citizens who are now actually living in the bushigarh , they are living there. ukraine, while crimea is in the hands of russia, and we have seen how

russia can cut off the routes of maritime communications and suffer from this all of its own further, other countries in the region , primarily moldova and georgia, but also in including the nato member states, primarily romania and bulgaria, and then it has a negative impact on other regions, most importantly, all these calibers that we are firing now on ukrainian peaceful cities are killing ukrainian citizens, they were not designed for ukraine, they were designed to blackmail europe in the event of war including a nuclear strike, therefore europe is interested in crimea returning to ukrainian hands as soon as possible, for ukraine to demilitarize it, that is, of course our naval forces will be there and others elements of defense, but we will definitely not create a bridgehead for attacking other countries, so no matter what they say, there are historical precedents - this is firstly and secondly, there is international support for the return of crimea and

the return of the black sea to let's say so and you are transforming again on the guest house and not the guest house as it is now. please tell me. if we talk about the strategy of the usa and nato on the black sea in relation to the black sea region , does their strategy include the return of crimea by ukraine, which is generally now their strategy, well, this is one of the reasons why we say yes, you have expressed our thoughts, it is revealed in this document that in fact there is no such clear strategy, and we call on the united states and nato to decide and actually have a strategy. from the point of view of a possible conflict, there are certain elements here, which of them have been written down for a long time , for sure, or since time of the cold war, the second point is actually such things, including non-military things, such as where, let's say, getting rid of these we and other things, and of course it is support

for our ability we are members of nato but we have partners of the word with enhanced capabilities that is, they can help us defend ourselves more and that's why we want them to actually create such a strategy, the americans and nato , the europeans changed it a little. they have a naval strategy, but it does not quite correspond to the threats that currently exist in the region. nato would have created an appropriate structure, a kind of headquarters, which would exclusively take care of the issues of the black sea security, and let's not say that of the eastern flank as a whole, that is why there are gaps in thinking, one of the important things that we have something to do with communication or is it so you hear us

oleksandr, we had something related to the connection, and this is something. oleksandr, something happened to us related to the connection, but i hope we understood your opinion . there is currently no clear strategy in the usa and nato for the black sea region, but ukraine is interested in having this strategy and in particular part of this strategy was the return of crimea by ukraine, thank you very much oleksandr hara, an expert on foreign security policy of the center for defense strategies, we were summing up the results of the conference that took place today in bucharest, according to official data, so far it has been possible to conduct according to some estimates, 20,000 civilians died in mariupol, the mayor of mariupol, vadym boychenko, told us in an interview that he himself left the city on the night of february 26-27, 2022. according to him, he did not run away, but left for one night on the orders

of the head of the region and the security services of ukraine, and when he returned on the morning of february 27, the city was already surrounded. who and how prepared mariupol for a full-scale war, listen to a fragment of our conversation on february 16, when high-ranking guests came to mariupol, so to speak, you then novinsky and akhmetov were not in the company. it seems that your deputy or assistant met them there. you were probably already waiting for volodymyr zelensky in the evening. you had a conversation with zelensky at that time. you asked him so frankly if they were preparing for war . i didn’t ask that. what once again i want to emphasize that there were no grounds for this ah hmm from the point of view of my vision and from the information i had i am not a military person i am a civilian and there is access to certain information about certain people there we met we talked

and there were questions exclusively about the development of conversations about the potential evacuation of civilians about the quality of the shelter volodymyr zelenskyi did not ask you about such small conversations. here i am, in fact, it is difficult for me to imagine how the communication between the mayor and the president takes place. and if it is so simple, i always ask such trivial questions. i always ask . well, that's what you said, what did he answer you, and if i were in your place , the president is coming to see me, i would ask him about volodymyr oleksandrovich, everyone around says that there will be a war, diplomats from the country left for what should we prepare for, you didn't ask him such a question, i didn't ask him such a question, i say once again that i personally had no such grounds how , uh, today, uh, when it's already been a year since the full-scale invasion, it's even been more than a year, that is, we can talk about it i'm talking about a certain number in retrospect. and at the time, so that you understand , on february 23, i, as the mayor, held a session of the city council , what we what we talked about there at the session about

development, how do you explain it, this is your model of behavior, this is some of your personal bubble and you did not want to marry her lack of strategic vision denial of reality how do you now explain to yourself i used to ask the same question why so i guess it was my bubble in which i myself and my team were and well, i am asking about you now i am talking about the fact that there was no reason well you see some people are coming, the blockade is there with other people, they are saying about the opening of the airport what airport are you, boy, what are you talking about, there will be a war, well, no one is talking about a war, i will call on the 23rd, i will call and ask if we will open the pool, so we are preparing, so on march 1 we are opening, that is, what grounds were there for me personally, only something, we see something happening and when we hear the reaction

of the authorities there to what is happening, that is , there were no grounds for this. this is my personal vision. do you now have an approximate figure of how many people died in mariupol and how many people are missing and you don't know anything about them. in mariupol, i'll say for the sake of understanding, 400,000 lived more than uh, that is , 24-25 on the 26th. the administration of pavlo kyrylenko created these opportunities, there were additional trains that, unfortunately, left the city with less than 50% of their loads , that is, they left empty, but still, at this time , more than 100,000 people still left the city, and remained in the city until around 400,000 you also mentioned the difficult conditions from march 13. they started

to leave until may 20. then things went wrong, but it worked systematically, but still people drove until september 30, then when this vasylivka crossing was already shot by the russian army it has already closed here and further. they are already leaving if they are going today through europe through russia and europe already to ukraine . in this way, in addition, more than 100,000 have left there and today somewhere around 200,000 of the local population is in the territory of the state of ukraine and the number of dead how many died and at the time when the authorities were still working, so it was decided that my first deputy, michal kogut, worked until the end of march, until the end of march, we managed to count how many people died, so

according to our official confirmed data, this is more than 20,000 people died that we managed to count. at first we tried to record it there and then there was no such possibility because there was very dense fire , very dense because they used aviation and the ships entered the sea of ​​azov . that is, it was almost impossible, but did this, but the figure is very careful because there are three , it will be necessary to determine from this figure because, as you mentioned, every second building in the city no longer exists, that is, 50% of the city, unfortunately, was destroyed after the svoboda life program, you can watch the full version of our interview with vadym boychenko on the youtube channel of radio svoboda. the village of podole in kharkiv oblast is only 10 kilometers from the front line and is often under fire from the russian military. part of the houses are completely destroyed. volunteers regularly call on local residents to evacuate to kharkiv

, but not everyone agrees. our colleagues from rotaru talked with the residents of podil , the opinions of local people and volunteers are in the following material, the information about what is going on is mandatory , the evacuation was a woman. i wrote a refusal

come in, we are not hiding anything under the shelling, it is not scary, the guys have arrived, they offer to leave now, take me to kharkov, you will take me, good man, i say good deal , we have firewood and a gas cylinder, we don’t have one , the transformer broke, you can do that , he doesn’t want a red one, as it will be hard here then we will leave this one ourselves, we can do it, the humanitarian woman still seems to have got out. don't be afraid

, no one will spy on me. let's go on foot, igor can go on foot, even far , what a lesson the last few days, of course, very much, the little one is still afraid to walk, the older daughter is still afraid, where does it fly

, where does it go? that they are sorry to leave their property, but a bigger part says that we have lived here, as it were, all our lives. they can die, eh. it seems that their interests are a little scary for the lives of the children, because the situation, of course, seems to be scary too. it is better for the children , we will be safe here, and there will be more. i think everything

will be fine. the muscovite arbitration tribunal at the permanent chamber of the gas arbitration court ordered russia to pay $5 billion in compensation to naftogaz for damages and lost property in crimea. what damages are we talking about? for example, the head of naftogaz, oleksiy chernyshov, said that it is about the compensation of assets that were aimed at the development of gas fields and the development of other strategically important infrastructure of ukraine, which , according to chernyshov, became one of the main targets of the aggressor. during the occupation of the ukrainian peninsula 9 years ago, naftogaz said that now russia must fulfill this is a court decision in accordance with its obligations under international law, the amount of compensation established by the court decision, and i will remind you that $5 billion is the largest amount awarded