[000:00:00;00] if our final tribunal at the permanent chamber of the arbitration court in gas ordered russia to pay 5 billion dollars in compensation to naftogaz for damages and lost property in crimea. for the development of gas fields and the development of other strategically important infrastructure of ukraine, which, as they say , chernyshov became one of the main targets of the aggressor. during the occupation of the ukrainian peninsula 9 years ago, naftogaz said that now russia must fulfill this court decision in accordance with its obligations under international law, the amount of compensation established by the court decision, and i will remind you that 5 billion dollars is the largest amount awarded

by the international arbitration tribunal for russia's forced alienation of assets in crimea , what does such a court decision mean or is it possible perform how to do it in the event that, for example , russia refuses to compensate for these losses , this is what we will talk about on the air now , lana zerkal, adviser to the minister of energy of ukraine, extraordinary representative, joins ambassador good evening good evening please say this, i can also congratulate you on today's decision. it seems to me that you are also tangential to at least the beginning of this work. so we started this work back in the 14th year when we determined the mechanisms that can be used to attract russia to be responsible and generally receiving compensation for all the lost assets of state companies, just private companies in crimea . so then we have a court in gas, as i already said, obliged to pay russia to pay

5 billion in compensation for losses in oil losses suffered by naftogaz in crimea. can you elaborate on what kind of damages this is, is it about something specific or does this mean the opportunities that were lost by ukraine due to the annexation of crimea? who lost all his assets there and was forced to actually move to kyiv. but this is already the last stage of the legal process, which has been going on for many years, for at least six of the last years , court hearings took place , procedural decisions were made for the first time jurisdiction when it was recognized that the arbitration has the right to consider this case, then essentially naftogaz appealed to the arbitration regarding the violation of its rights and the illegal expropriation

of assets, and the last stage is the one that has now ended, this is already the determination of the amount of compensation , and now this is already a, this decision must be implemented independence from the desire or unwillingness of the russian federation. especially since its assets have already been seized, and we as a country and the lawyers handling the naftogaz case already know in which courts it will be easier to do it. it is possible to move forward, indeed, russia still has the right to appeal this decision based on the possibility of procedural e-e violations and i well, i think that they will use this right because in all similar cases they have used this opportunity, but i want to note that this is the largest amount that has been awarded to ukrainian

companies in connection with the loss of assets in crimea if we are talking about the compensation process itself , please explain how and who in what way will russia be able to attract e . the court decided that russia will immediately pay all the money to ukraine, or will i have to use some mechanisms of pressure and influence ? i don't know what else can happen. if you heard me, i did not say that russia will pay. this decision can be implemented in any country that is a party . of the new york convention, and there are 162 such countries, i.e., in any country , a lawsuit is filed for the enforcement of an arbitration decision, and the courts of that country already decide how this decision will be implemented and which

assets of the russian federation will be be used to implement this decision, an example could be given. well, for example, in canada there are seized assets that were stored there in canadian banks of the russian federation, a canadian court of some province there will enforce this decision if naftogaz and its lawyers file a lawsuit there regarding the implementation of this arbitration decision and the court of that province makes a decision in accordance with its internal procedural process of the domestic code or rules of procedure and makes a decision as to the manner of enforcement of that decision right there in canada that as an example, but there are 162 such countries and now naftogaz lawyers have to decide in which jurisdiction it is easiest to implement

these decisions, taking into account the already adopted legislative changes regarding taking into account the position of the judicial authorities of those countries, well, that is, the situation is already here regarding the possibility of recovering funds that do not belong to the russian federation now much more than it was before the start of a full-scale war against ukraine. here i thought that if you scale this story, uh, this successful case of oil and gas for the entire country. after all, from the beginning of a full-scale invasion . i really wanted to say yes to you, but it doesn't work so much because the mechanism

of international law is different, here we were talking about losses in connection with investments and in connection with expropriation during the occupation of crimea. but if we talk about the possibilities companies, only a few state-owned companies in ukraine and oschadbank took advantage of this opportunity, the rest are private companies and all of them received successful a-a decisions in various arbitrations, and i can only congratulate everyone that they waited and reached the final decision that determines it is the sums, that is, it can be done right now. and these funds, considering that they are frozen in different jurisdictions, they are not accessible. and what do you think about this

if, for example, we imagine that tomorrow or the day after tomorrow or in a month in any case if ukraine still does not receive this compensation, but for example, at the same time, the armed forces of ukraine liberate crimea, this is the court's decision , it is still valid until its execution, this court's decision will be relevant until the moment of its completion, there are no time limits , or any conditions. and there are no restrictions regarding the possibility of filing a foreclosure lawsuit in different jurisdictions, there is a very large discretion for the company to decide exactly how and in which jurisdictions they want to execute this decision, because they have already gone a long way and this is actually the last stage and now it is much easier to implement it than

it was before february 24, 2022, when russia was still protected by its immunity and it was at least roughly within the framework of international law , given the fact that russia does not comply with the international law of care on the fact that she violated everything possible and impossible , excellent lawyers - courts of various jurisdictions are already more favorable to the implementation of the arbitration decision than it was before and they understand that it must be implemented as an even shorter term. the compensation that the court decided to pay 5 billion dollars is exactly what ukraine or ukraine naftogaz asked for, more precisely, more, less , how can you evaluate this compensation? well, i think that it is a fair compensation, as i already said, that this is the largest compensation that was awarded in the lawsuits of ukrainian

companies to russia in connection with the occupation by extrusion of assets in crimea, i really believe that this is the amount naftogaz expected a little more, because everyone in the arbitrations takes the position that you will get more fairly that's how it turned out, but i think that this is a very good result and i congratulate everyone who once worked on this matter and those who will now continue to work on the implementation of this... you just gave canada as an example and a hypothetical place where naftogaz could apply, and you said that more than 160 countries are correct, which ones, where you can apply , naftogaz

, but maybe you can now name the list of countries where it can be implemented the fastest and most successfully. benefit it doesn't matter to ukraine or here, it doesn't matter at all. no political factor. no, it's not important here. the political factor is very important here. another factor is the work of the judicial system and how much easier it will be in this jurisdiction to execute the decision and some of the amounts are russian funds. arrested and what legislation is in force in this country. that is, it requires a little analysis by lawyers, but there is nothing difficult about it, and it is usually done by a team working on the case, well, in that case, i also congratulate you. congratulations on the victory in court lana zerka and adviser to the minister of energy of ukraine, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary, we talked

about the victory of naftogaz in the hav court. thank you very much. well, this is literally the latest news that appeared recently, and the new york times writes that the administrator of the discord channel, where documents from the pentagon began to be leaked, was 21 -year-old massachusetts air force national guardsman, his name is jack teixeira, he was a member of the intelligence unit, and several sources in the united states also confirmed that investigators plan to question him in the leak case of information literally today, the washington post wrote that the person who made public the documents of the us government , from which information about spying on allies and revealing plans for us participation in supporting ukraine was revealed, turned out to be a young weapons enthusiast who shared highly classified documents with an online group of people he did not know much about. and this group appeared during the pandemic in 2020, as i said , the washington post writes about it, the documents were published

by a user under the nickname og in a group of two dozen people on the discord platform for gamers the members of the group united, as your post here says, love for weapons, military equipment and god, and so he told the group members that he works at a military base, the decrypted documents that he dropped in the group related to a number of sensitive topics, to which only those who passed a multi-month check can have access of personal data , the publication states that the documents contained top-secret reports on the location and movements of high-ranking political leaders, as well as tactical summaries about the armed forces so he said that the group was interested documents, but did not particularly pay attention to them, did not investigate them deeply, and while the washington post writes, so he got angry and began to send photos of secret documents that contained detailed maps of the fighting in ukraine and highly classified satellite images of the consequences of russian missile strikes

on ukrainian power grids. and only on april 7 this year, the american edition of the new york times reported that american secret documents containing information about the war in ukraine appeared on the internet, journalists the washington post spoke with members of the closed discord group and according to the members of the community who do not give their names. so, here is this guy, a man, he is a little over 20 years old, he is fond of weapons, and probably even then, journalists told , probably he serves at one of the us military bases and for according to the sources of the publication , he is now allegedly lying on the ground waiting to see how the events and the investigation of the pentagon will develop . connection, but we can see that the us law enforcement agencies have already discovered it and at least the washington post writes about it well, in fact, it is some kind of detective story with the leak of american secret documents

, this is what effect this leak of documents will have . i will ask my colleagues, ostap yarysh , a voice of america correspondent, joins the broadcast of svoboda laeva ostapa. my greetings. hello . how unprecedented is this leak in the united states? what effect did it have and continues to have on american society? this is what the press is writing now and in general here, against the background of the latest news, in general, the version of the pro-russian trace in this story is still alive and relevant , do you already know that the investigation is really ongoing ? is the justice department in charge of this investigation until they comment and are glad to wait for these official data? but really, at least on twitter, a lot of journalists are now spreading these materials. the washington post will say that there are really some impressive details in it.

if it turns out to be true that this man could be behind this leak, they say that this reveals the vulnerability of the entire system of the united states when it comes to classified documents, although earlier, by the way, in pantomime it was explained that there is usually no access to such documents just some let's say the top. yes, it is in a larger circle of people than it might seem at first glance, and at the beginning it was asked so that , for this, you really need to have a monthly checkup, be sure to check before to get access to such and such documents . and these checks are a common practice in the united states for any position in the american garden. that is , practically everyone who applies for some kind of job, whether in the army or in other government agencies, these checks are being carried out and therefore thousands of people could

have access to such documents. and in the pantheon and beyond , they say to the ministry of defense of the united states. to the intelligence department, actually, at this base in massachusetts, they say, ah, the story is actually very interesting, do you know if it affects american society as a whole, so far i think it’s difficult to say more about it , have they been able to observe, are journalists or analysts speaking, or are officials or members of the intelligence community, i.e. those people who, in principle, have some relation to ukraine or to the coverage of events in ukraine and to ordinary people. i think it affects less now, at least if you also look at the discussion on american television there are other topics about which there is currently education. was there a shooting in kentucky or other things ? yes, but this topic is definitely one of the top ones when it comes to the foreign policy of the united states and about the support of the united states of ukraine

in new efforts against russian aggression, i think. that this topic will definitely develop and i think that we will see new details, we are actually waiting for some official conclusions from the fbi from the ministry of justice in addition to the investigations that we have seen from the fact that according to the reports i think the details will be very interesting very ostap ostap yarish the voice of america tuned in live to us and washington well, just a few hours ago us president joe biden announced that the american government is very close to identifying the person involved in the leak of secret military documents that were published on social networks, let me remind you that the new york times writes that the culprit, more precisely, the suspected leaker of the documents has already been identified. well, this is joe biden’s first comment since the appearance of the leak of documents . biden emphasized that he is concerned, they say

, with the fact of the leak itself, and not with its content. well, about content, we talked a lot and a lot of experts with whom we managed to talk say that they have not discovered anything new for themselves so far, however , the very fact of the leak actually already means something in itself, that's what we will talk about now our broadcast is joined by a boryspilka from a public figure , a representative of the republican party of the usa . good evening, dear ukraine, i am glad you are in the world. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, the appearance of these secret documents. for example, i believe that the main beneficiary of everything that happened is ukraine, and i will say why do you know about it, we are today in these days, it is already the second week

, america celebrates the religious holiday ramadan basov and the same thing, well, how do we call it it's easter holiday, you know easter holiday, it's called that's what i want to tell you that i'm not arguing about it's because members of congress are on vacation but you can see a few congressmen, they came to washington before the time of the day and today there are heated debates between representatives of different eh committees about that in the first place

. congressmen of both parties are outraged by the fact that they learned from this leak that there are many types of weapons for which money was allocated by congress . unfortunately, they did not receive it. shortages, first of all, anti -aircraft defense systems, and they are not accidental , literally. as only this information was leaked, the representative of the white house says, oh, you know, today our main priority is the provision of assistance to ukraine in the provision of anti-aircraft defense systems. - and um , in general, the results and injuries were summarized, and biden managed to sign a check for assistance to ukraine for 100 billion dollars, and from

this money for today's day, the equipment somewhere in the order of 72 and a half billion dollars came to ukraine, and according to some data from the white house, it means that there are about 3 billion dollars still available for which it is possible to still put equipment in ukraine in this way somewhere about 25 billion and already written checks are not received. they are not covered by the types of weapons in which ukraine needs an island, so about the party today, let’s give it to baidana, says pochemu . so far, there are not enough types of weapons in the right amount for ukraine. well, let’s go.

now he will return from ireland, he will have hot days, and both parties, i emphasize, and the republican democrats, and the republicans go even further, they say that urgent means independent from the defense systems, that the defense will put equipment for attacks, that is, missiles with a radius of 300 kilometers or more , ok - that's very it is important and of course that there are enough f16 planes, especially since ukraine is already in a state of preparation for a small-scale counteroffensive . only in some world you say ukraine will win. but if you take a broader look at this situation, doesn't it undermine the trust of the allies in the united states ? not that the relationship would be reconsidered but still, this became such a reason to think about

whether everything that comes from kiev is allowed in the united states . where is the guarantee that this will not become a property for everyone? i agree with you absolutely. this is another blow. after snowden's a-a wiki lexe is a very strong blow today is the last day for the leadership of countries, including friends, like israel , south korea, for example, it is definitely drinking, and ukraine has already responded, she said that these are the messages, however, we will review our plans for military actions that have been planned so far. this is a very important factor, and yet there are many who look at it positively. they say that this is a special release in order for the putin clique to linger

and think about it. we do not know until now when the counterattack of ukraine will begin in what you understand that this is to introduce confusion to putin and his entourage, that's how you saw it, you know , that's the same thing, it's shorter, the main thing, the second thing is that it's a driver on the way to find out who's to blame for this, they say that this person is at one of the military bases and very soon er, in the fbi, she will be very close to finding out who this person is and why he did it with all the resulting consequences. well, in any case, we will follow everything. here are these surveillances well, i will tell you honestly , we do not depend on what happened today, on the 70th surveillance leak, they were always watching

each other, that the germans are here, we are in germany, that the british are here, we are from great britain , the israelis are here, and so they gave something similar at home, but at the moment when yes, there is a consolidation of the forces of the western countries in the fight against putin's putin's regime to provide assistance to ukraine , the soon-to-be-victory. look, i told her that it's a shame, but nevertheless, look, look , i'm an american citizen, i 'm ashamed. эта венный для это ээ ээ ээ ээ ээ вэнная эфформация фильмых эму 21 год и он представитель

статать машачусеце э well, that's what the media are writing about, and that 's what i wanted to ask about. and me it even seemed that in moscow or there in the kremlin they took it as some kind of compliment that look how far our agents get but now it turns out that now it is no longer the case , it can definitely be that it is not russian at all . you know such a theory. although the numbers of casualties on both sides, russian and ukrainian , are upside down, in any case, the tens of hundreds of thousands that russia suffered there are 200, about 200, 30,000, as the american and russian media say sides and mine are 100,000, somewhere around 70,000, and that means from the ukrainian side

, and they did not change places, and this, and moreover, this is done for their own. this is how the supporters of this version explain it. they say that this is done specifically for the people of america for example, western europe has finally seen that the ukrainian army is not so successful, that the war is dragging on, it can make sense today to end this war in this way. what if let's do it in this way that if ukraine expels the barbarians from the borders of 1991 and will not be a member of the european union and will not be a member of nato. uh, putin, we guarantee

that you enter the cautious union and we give security guarantees , of course, this is nonsense. it’s unacceptable and nothing. the fact is that this is not the goal of ukraine. the entry into the european union and uh , joining nato is a means on the way. to freedom and to these and to the building of the democrats of the society, this is the goal. and as for joining these unions, this is the means of achieving this goal, these are the fools who say that this is how it should be for today, as the war drags on, it is not necessary to serve it. full criticism and this is not acceptable, that's why you connect this with what is happening today , this

is in this leak. come to an agreement, let's pledge zelensky for 100 negotiations, the end of the war and at least save the lives of the rest of the entire population of ukraine, this is unpleasant to hear. kherson-odessa was won thanks to the armed forces of ukraine without the participation of nato soldiers, therefore chestikova vtsu thank you very much consequences of the leak of secret american military documents well, finally , traditionally, i encourage you to subscribe to the pages of radio liberty on the internet in social networks instagram telegram facebook twitter viber do and also subscribe to two