[000:00:00;00] the question is, are we the company's property on the crimean peninsula? we already read it in 14 years . kobolev still needs to write out a bonus of another 50 million dollars for this so that he is comfortable, the only question is for igor, is it possible to really feel this money with your hands and return it ? on the 14th, i sincerely won a case worth 50 billion dollars in russia, but in the same court, but unfortunately, no one received a single dollar . will we receive the five billion that we won?

of the same yukos and herdarkovsky, why because russia will pay in full for those crimes, for the damages it caused to ukraine, for the destruction of infrastructure, destroyed ukrainian houses and schools, so in this case, in this general process, i am more than sure that russia will pay this debt as well, or she pay them with the funds that are seized on e-e accounts and international structures, or is it payment with the property that will be seized in europe and transferred to the management of ukraine e-e we will see the establishment - in fact, it is a real matter how to say it is not very fast, but i am more than sure that they will definitely pay for the damage they caused, god grant that it should happen. i am even ready to pay 1% of this amount for kobolev, mr. igor. thank you . the story of kobolev has quieted down, maybe they are not interested. ihor harbaruk was with us, an economic expert and analysis. it is sad without kobolev in the information space was shared by yehor, it was stolen by the court, because we planned the rules in principle for the existence of ukrainian

officials. let's say that andriy smirnov is already with us, a religion expert. i congratulate you. i congratulate you. good health from the kyiv-pechersk lavra brought the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate at least tens of millions of hryvnias in circulation per year, the topic of money continues, the minister of culture and information policy oleksandr e tkachenko announced this what did the donations in the lavra go to for the preservation of the historical heritage or for the mercedes, well, the preservation of the heritage still needs to be proven. and everyone saw mercedes because pavlo got into it in his x-class mercedes, and even when he went somewhere, he was already taken to court for a court hearing on the selection of a preventive well, what was happening in the lavra ? we talked on the air about the fact that construction was very active there. that is, part of it was destroyed , part of it was built

, and part of the national historical reserve was simply rebuilt. tkachenko's thesis is fair. where do you think this money went and what kind of money in general can we roughly say that in reality people brought to the church this grandmother for hryvnias, there are two for mercedes pasha, well, that was enough , well, the church is the topic of church finances, it is the most closed and even taboo and we have very little information about where these funds are directed, but in general there are large sponsors, philanthropists who finance various church projects, including construction through the restoration of churches and monasteries by one among the sponsors of the lavra was probably the orthodox oligarch vadim novinsky, vladyka pavlo also mentioned that putin even gave some funds to the lavra, but mostly these funds are spent in a non-transparent manner, and in addition, the state has also allocated funds for

the restoration and reconstruction of the uspenskyi for 30 years the cathedral and the church also took part in the development of these funds, and here, on the one hand , there are state funds, there are private funds, and there are funds of ordinary ordinary believers, which are not so large , of course, but they also fill the church budget can be the budget of the kyiv-pechersk lavra. and where they are spent, this was already determined by dk pavlo alone, because there was no control over him, and of course he could buy himself luxury items like a-ah or a mercedes with these donations from private sponsors or believers the restoration of the lavra is parallel. the same company called cozy house built him a dacha in the village of voronkiv as its treasurer, this varsonofian, who is now the

metropolitan of vinnytsia, mr. andrii. 20,000 square meters were built on the territory of the pechersk lavra - this is information from the former director of the kiev-pechersk lavra reserve, you need to understand each object here, because there are new buildings so newly built, and objects and monuments that were simply built without permits and were installed. this is such a scandalous story. the 112th building is the book warehouse of the kyiv-pechersk lavra. it belongs to the infectious disease hospital. in 2013 , the state transferred this building to the monastery, but for 10 years no one did anything there. repair works were not carried out and the picture we saw, well, this building was in such a terrible condition, the windows were only replaced , preserved, and no funds were invested. why were they not invested? why did the state not observe and not react? now, let the law enforcement authorities figure it out. organizations

, what is your attitude, all donations, charitable contributions are not taxed in any way at all , that is, even if ms. valevska gives me 10,000 hryvnias, god willing they i have to come every year and pay 1950 tax 1.5 military and natural persons at 18%. even if the bank writes off part of my debt to me, what interest is there, yes, they calculated it there, then i will come anyway in a year and pay the difference 19.5, and the church came conditional vadym navinsky gave a mercedes or gave a million dollars pasha mercedes thank you, mr. novinsky, he put everything on himself how does one take a million dollars and use it ? well, okay, justice is not a legal norm in the world, so there is such a question here. of course, it should be strengthened financial monitoring of the state for church finances and ah black cash or black cash that dominates the church, of course, it needs

to be controlled somehow, including forcing churches to show these donations , you have this income through officially through accounts, so it will not be taxed, but then you can track where these funds were spent , so churches have benefits, including discounts on gas , and others do not pay for land and other peripherals, but now the law on the lease of state and communal property has changed and now there is no concept of permanent free use. yes, there is a lease, and you have to pay for the lease, and unfortunately, this lease turned out to be too large, according to the cabinet of ministers' resolution, there is a rate of seven, and for example , like even according to the old estimates in chernihiv , if you rent the trinity monastery, then it will be approximately 14 million hryvnias per year. i think that no church will incur such expenses, and the state must now also think about whether the contracts

will expire or whether the churches will be able to pay such a high rent. it must be probably not to transfer these objects for free, but for a moderate fee, and that is why it is necessary to make changes to the cabinet of ministers' resolution of the current legislation, mr. andriy let's talk about what is happening now with the transitions, because all these circuses are also hundreds of thousands of probably party, lord , party religious organizations. well they are legally registered, it's a bunch of separate such registered religious organizations , how do you think this transition should take place now in a civilized way, and i still can't collect it all, who has this we don't have a law to initiate it, the verkhovna rada doesn't approve it for some reason, er, the law would solve it as best as possible, ban a bunch of different organizations with one law. that has to be proven . yes, or communities should do it themselves , they have such a right, as we understand it

at the local level self-government, well, these are examples because this week, three oblasts, or already four, in volhynia, and yesterday , also voted, well, regional councils there expressed their political will against the church, well, formally, they simply turned to the center, yes, to the cabinet, to the president, and they have no authority, who should initiate it now, the law would solve this issue here, it is necessary to distinguish two things , this is actually the canonical ties of the ukrainian orthodox church with the moscow patriarchate, and really, at the legislative level , it should be prohibited to restrict it. there is a government bill, it has not been considered for a long time. volya chairman of the verkhovna rada stefanchuk met with the leaders of religious organizations and in principle the majority supported that it is necessary to ban the activities of religious organizations affiliated with the aggressor country

and the second question is about transitions. we have legislation. more than a thousand parishes have already changed their jurisdiction and transferred to the orthodox church of ukraine, but here. it is important that this happens in compliance with the current legislation, because the last examples of such revolutionary spontaneous transitions under the influence of activists and place but they did not always happen. in compliance with the letter of the law, so because it was necessary to wait, for example , when changes will be made to the register, when all the documents on hand will be drawn up and when you go to the temples, we saw that people spontaneously went in and got the keys or got access to these temples in some other way, and this created such a rather negative picture, and russian propaganda has already taken advantage of it. and quite effectively on the international stage, it accuses ukraine of violation of the standards of religious freedom, but this should be avoided in the situation with the lavra, and with local communities. we do not need a second black tuesday and we do not

need beatings. we do not need ordinary citizens to suffer because the monopoly on the use only the state has power and if there are any violations, someone violates something, then the state must intervene and control. at the moment , the police only ensures public safety , but this is not enough, because if it is necessary to simplify the procedure, then it is also up to the legislator to make changes to the law on freedom of conscience and religious organizations, but in any case it must be done in accordance with the law . the law resolved all these points, so what is happening is religious, which are all called the uoc mp

, the connection from the canonical to moscow. well, there is no. for each person it is said that the ukrainian orthodox church as a religion does not have the status of a legal entity and it is impossible to ban it even by a single court decision, it is more than 8,000 religious communities in a single state register as, accordingly, statistics are registered more 8,000 communities and it is impossible to ban them at once, but it is possible to ban the church from having contact with the moscow patriarchate. this is precisely what the bill is about. time will be given for them to settle their canonical position. that pro-ukrainian part of the clergy and believers who actually also support that there should be an oil-cephalous church, that it should be independent, because not everyone in the uoc is sorry fsb agents - not everyone supports

russia, this must also be understood because after a while he is more pro-russian , we see the position of metropolitan onufriy, who turns out to be quite conservative, the russian community has a great influence on him, and those in charge of metropolitan tony's affairs and even vadim novinsky, who is in germany, also remains quite an influential figure, and actually they do not let the ukrainian orthodox church out of the moscow patriarchate doesn't care, do you understand why we didn't go down the path of taking the whole case like this, setting a precedent in court and proving the connection of the uoc mp with moscow and then all the organizations that are on the ground they would automatically be prohibited under it, because we already have a law on collaborationism , and whoever works does not have the right to work, but the church in the village, the father says , what a moscow, god forbid, but he still

reads for the tsar, reads for mazepa do you understand the anathema of a foreign state in general? andriy, in our country, citizens of foreign countries can lead religious organizations , and this is also an important issue, because if he is a citizen of russia, then all the laws of russia apply to him. it means that fsb employees can also come to him. they are all standing there, the committee is pressuring the citizen of russia, the government from volodymyrovich berezovsky, 44 years of age , and you know that you are violating the norm of such a constitution of the criminal code of russia, well, the norm of such an article of the criminal code, and if you are not this one, then we are here for you, and he is here leads the largest religious community in a foreign country, what changes should be made to the legislation if the verkhovna rada prohibits foreigners, in particular those with russian citizenship, from leading religious organizations from the kyiv metropolitanate to the ordinary village parish, of course then there will be all the reasons to influence these clergymen, for now this is not prohibited, it is not prohibited, just as the connection

with the moscow patriarchs is not prohibited, it is just me. the proposal is specially for citizens of russia. to orest volodymyrovich berezovsky , 44, the status of another agent, and he and this agent under medical notice, they give each message with them in the letters otaka ot die, this message has been distributed to foreign agents of an organization that is recognized on the territory of russia as foreign and onufriy finishes all his sermons. and this sermon was from a foreign agent who is recognized on the territory of ukraine and has the status of a foreign agent. what do you think of such a proposal ? to the legal field. thank you andriy smirnov, a religious scholar, was with us . it is a difficult topic - it is a church one, but it is necessary to understand it and talk about it, well, just how many of these cases were there when they and they talked about how much they could be charged for these words, for some reason, and even those searches

by the sbu. well, i don't know, maybe there are criminal cases. we just don't know about them, but did you see some interesting doll that was found during the search of comrade navinsky ? dear, we will defeat you, show me, i 'm just reading. no, it can also be used for voodoo for voodoo rituals. on good friday, the taxi reported that it seized company documents and company seals from non-residents in the offices during the search. novinsky and about kremlin religious literature, the property of deputy novinsky worth 3.5 billion was seized and they found such a doll that you can see, well, it looks very similar to the extraordinary people's deputy vadym novinsky, well, novinsky is already his second surname, so well, the only thing i think is exactly the cost of making this doll, because this doll is so collectible, unique, original . i think that it is worth more than one thousand dollars, and her hair seems to be

natural human in this one, it comes from moonshine vyacheslav likhachev, a historian joins political scientist-researcher and member of the expert council of the vyacheslav center for civil liberties . good health. good day. well, let's continue the topic of churches and temples . we have more than 400 buildings. the russians have destroyed these temples since the beginning of the full-scale war . well, it's only us. this is how we understand the official figures. yes, in fact, there are still just hits, or they are not taken into account. tell us what is the situation with the crimes of the russians. are they already recorded ? what are these figures? of organizations that work on monitoring war crimes, now there is a lot of human rights in the course of full-scale russian aggression, the most complete data of the eye that you refer to is

more than 400 recorded cases of damage or destruction of religious buildings - these are the data of the project of the religion of fire, which is implemented to a greater extent e-e workshops of academic religious studies with some, including my participation, and there in cooperation e-e working with other organizations, that is, it is about cases that were documented or e-e in progress during of monitoring business cards in the liberated territories or if there is evidence in a -a photo or video testimony or a first-person story , that is, these are the cases that public organizations a-a were able to confirm , of course, you cannot focus on these data as complete hm regarding the number of truly destroyed temples and

other religious buildings because the access of public organizations to the zone of active hostilities is very complicated and we, well, if cities like bakhmut or mariupol are destroyed, then you can guess the scale of the destruction, but only what is recorded is direct evidence that can be accepted , including by international organizations and judicial organizations. they talked about the pechersk regional lavra. maybe you have information about vyacheslav regarding the development or reconstruction of part of this reserve there, according to the former leader of the museum, so 20,000 m² were built over the entire time in addition. well , as far as i understand, no one has the full

amount of information about the changes in the historical landscape and buildings that took place during the last 35 years when the ukrainian the orthodox church was in charge there, the commission was supposed to establish it. it is still too early to tell the truth about the scale of these buildings or the damage that was caused to historical monuments. as a visitor from time to time to the lavra , of course, i observed a certain including construction activity, which seemed suspicious to me, but i am neither a commission nor an investigative body in order to give this an assessment, but about a large-scale one. as i understand it, we will find out in the coming weeks, if not

days, if the commission has already started working on well according to the special mellifications of the articles, it is the destruction of churches and church buildings as part of the crime. and you know, this is rather about international law, because these and this type of objects were chosen for separate monitoring with a view to the provisions of international humanitarian law, which is the governing law and the customs of warfare are not fully implemented, these norms are still implemented in ukrainian legislation, but since the case has moved on in the international criminal court, we hope for some international judicial activity in this regard direction, and it was rather documented for further submission, including to the international criminal court in accordance with international criminal law. well, of course, all

civilian objects, they are not a legal target in the course of hostilities, but there is a separate type of protected objects that are almost in in no case. of course, a lot depends on the circumstances and i am generalizing a little, but in almost no case can they become a legitimate target in the course of hostilities, well, this is a medical institution, this is an educational institution , and among other things, this is a cult building , cult breeds have a protected status in accordance with ihl and therefore it is precisely this careful documentation that makes sense in order to prove another type of violation of the laws and customs of war another violation of international humanitarian law and here the number is important that is why enormous resources and time and enormous effort are spent on carefully documenting all these cases, because for the international

criminal court, the systematicity , uh, the scale of the phenomenon is important, because the system makes it possible to assert that these were not some isolated isolated incidents the initiative of the command of small units there, and this was a systematic methodology for the introduction of war on the part of the russian federation, and when we find out that there were certain patterns , for example, when a year ago we worked in the liberated territories of kyiv and then chernihiv regions, and we saw dozens of cases when it was the church buildings, the church yards, that the russian occupiers made their bases. that is, it was certainly not isolated . we have not had a long time to systematically violate international currency law. yes, one more

important question. and what about the churches of the ukrainian orthodox church? neamp well, they say that we are completely on the mp of the ukrainian orthodox church , so-called, on the occupied parts of the ukrainian territory, in particular , on the part of the occupied donbas in well, for example. the right to pray within these frameworks, what about these shops, well, in the occupied territories, on the contrary , the occupiers are forcing them to seize buildings belonging to other orthodox, and not only to the orthodox e-e communities and hand them over to the protestant churches, they immediately found them and said that we will have a dining room here and a warehouse. the army will sleep here . and what about the uoc mp churches ? number

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