[000:00:00;00] uh, you don't have to sit in the church at night because there is a curfew, keep in mind that we are at war, but at the same time celebrate easter and give warmth to each other now for your attention bbc news i am starting this sunday myself good evening we are from ukraine from ukraine live from london i am evgenia shadlovska and today in our edition in the united states the suspect of the knotty nature of the secret documents of the pentagon was charged but who entrusted state secrets to a 21-year-old national guard and another peacemaker the president of brazil who

offered to become a mediator between ukraine and russia came to china people floated people floated world history underwent a major reformatting as well as the writer oksana zabuzhko in an interview with the bbc told why the victory of ukraine is inevitable and how the world will change after the war a blow to the slavic according to the local authorities died at least five people were injured on the 15th. this was reported by the head of the donetsk regional administration, pavlo kyrylenko . according to him, around four o'clock in the afternoon , the russian military shelled the city with rockets made several strikes at once on residential quarters according to the preliminary information of kyrylenka, used s-300 rockets, damaged several high-rise buildings, private houses under

the rubble, according to the authorities, people could be left to stay, and in the united states they arrested a suspect in leaking secret documents, this is a 21-year-old national guard from jack and sheira if the guy is found guilty , he faces up to 15 years in prison and was brought to court in boston once again today, where he was charged with unauthorized removal and possession of classified documents the next regular meeting will be held on wednesday, we will determine a preventive measure, the suspect has not yet been offered to plead guilty in court. as you can see, his parents were and what we learned from the indictment is that ishera had access to secret documents since 2021 and even after the reports appeared. about the leak of secret documents, he entered search queries with the word leak from his work computer. was the motive of the shares just to show off in front of friends in a closed

online group, and that is why he set it to open access to secret documents is analyzed by the correspondent frankartner, this is who is suspected in this leak of intelligence of the united states of america, 21-year-old jack taisheira , a reservist of the us air national guard, massachusetts , the day before, he was arrested by fbi agents , the guy is accused of unauthorized removal and disclosure of secret documents , these are very sensitive intelligence of the united of the headquarters of the pentagon taishare as it turned out , he was accused of having access to the documents posted on one of the online forums for gamers and among the participants of this forum, there were gamers from ukraine and russia among the participants of the weapons lovers, the secret documents very quickly gained notoriety, this is not a question, as such, a relatively high-ranking employee gained access to such secret intelligence data, another, more extensive, what will be the long-term consequences of this leak. what harm it will harm america

and its allies, the documents refer to friction between the russian special services and the rogue agency, so now the kremlin knows which of their communication channels are being tapped and will take appropriate measures against ukraine, the documents contain detailed advantages and the location of its weapons, the most harmful are estimates that ukraine is running out of air defense means. this may encourage russia to use its air force more actively and thus change the course of the war. that ukraine's anti-aircraft stocks are shrinking and now they have accurate data in their hands, they had an idea of ​​how many heimer missiles ukraine has released and now they can actually compare this data with the stocks what else is left and these details will obviously now be studied in moscow by the staff of the general staff , now the suspect in leaking these data has been brought before the court in boston

, taisheira's friends say he just wanted to show off what he knows and the united states government has a different version and is also accused of espionage the court will pay a lot of attention to the correspondent's communication from washington, how it will happen. well, today was already the first preliminary court hearing, at which he was charged with two charges. the first thing is storage e-e such classified information and the second charge - this is its distribution, this information which is confidential and which contains data about e-e defense and security of the united states, and next week the first hearing of the case on the merits has already been scheduled and teichel currently faces up to 15 years in prison of will on these two accusations and that is why we will very carefully monitor

how things develop further, whether it will be open to the court or closed well, today this preliminary session was open there were a lot of journalists they started gather near the court building since eight o'clock, when you appeared there again at 10 o'clock, then the case gets really hyped. happened and what will be the consequences of such uh such actions of such a view of information now how did it happen that a rather low-ranking employee had access to such secret documents , in particular documents related to the war in ukraine, well , americans are also asking themselves this question american society and in ukraine in particular, and the answer is actually very prosaic because techeri is 21 years old. he works at a military base in massachusetts and he was not

a military serviceman, but he was a cyber systems operator, that is, in simple terms, he was an it technician who provided work here this is a system of mechanisms where this closed data was stored in order to gain access to such systems in 2021, he received it, he had to pass special security checks and sign an agreement on the non-disclosure of any information to which he has access, he passed all these checks, uh, but the leak still happened as well . former general e. markerling told a very interesting story today. in an interview with sinen, he talked about the fact that this is now a very typical practice, that there are a lot of young people in the united states army specialists who have access to such information, in particular because not all of them are military personnel, they are just people who make banal presentations in powerpoint and they also need access to classified information, so this practice is quite typical

. actually, this leak raised many questions about who has access to secret information , how many people who are undergoing checks are talking about it now, what are the conclusions for themselves? and currently a closed session is already scheduled in the senate and they will listen to what the pentagon will say on this issue and also the payment of representatives has also invited a separate hearing on this issue to president biden just recently, a few hours ago, he also stated that he requires an investigation into this issue and a review of the security systems regarding what information is distributed and what access is given to different people . it should be a security check + signing an agreement on non-disclosure of information, but sometimes the system

fails. and in such cases, as with teixeira , this failure occurred, they call him a bad sheep who broke this system, and that is why they will understand and will consider how people can have access to such classified information. thank you maria maria ulyanovska correspondent of the voice of america live from washington was with us about american secret documents commented on in russia because in these documents, as journalists discovered, there are also american assessments of the russian army and combat capability, for example, that the units of the russian special forces, exhausted by the war in ukraine and moscow, will take years to restore them, there are data on russian losses, and in general, this leak shows that the american the special services have sources in russia, they get information from there, this is what my colleague vitaly shevchenko and i are talking about. he is the editor of the russia department at the bbc monitoring service . in general, how do the russian authorities

and the russian state media comment on the leak? i got the impression that official moscow is trying to create the impression that they do not it is interesting that they are very skeptical about this leak , for example, today the spokesman of the kremlin , dmitry piskov, said that moscow is still not sure that these are true documents, but it is studying them in detail, but the mass media they know, they relish it. the moscow komsomol, for example, a newspaper popularized an article under the heading of the withdrawal of ukraine, that is, the end of ukraine, but if you look at television, there is always such a conspiracy, they do not believe that some 21-year-old boy could do such a thing. they say that this is a special operation of the cia to spy

on russia. well, here is another story about the relations between the united states and russia: the arrest of the american journalist evangelshkovich, and he is accused in russia of spying for the united states they claim that russia actually took him hostage. this is what the story is. and why is this an unprecedented story after the end of the cold war, and when an american journalist was arrested on charges of espionage ? why is this necessary, as far as can be understood here, the goal is twofold, firstly, to intimidate independent western snakes until now work in russia, and secondly, to replenish the exchange fund, so to speak, which russia can use to take some of its people out of

the west if they are caught in espionage action is gathering forces for the mobilization war, in fact , this is what we saw this week in russia introducing electronic subpoenas, what is going on, the russians are preparing for offensives, they officially deny it, i looked at what they say on television and there , ah, uh, you know, they are talking about digitization, hurray we will have order in military accounting - this is in no way related to any mobilization, but even in russia, few people take this seriously , people who most likely went abroad and can afford to comment, they say that the trap has already closed, that he is running from russia, who can express an interesting opinion, one of the leading positions of russia, who is also abroad

, alonid volkov. he said that putin thus uses his only resource, in which he has an undeniable advantage over ukraine , the human resource did not say how much no matter how much the ukrainian thighs and high-mars high-mars grind russian men , as putin said, the wolf from the bottomless foothills of russian mothers will again recruit people, well, and one more question, also about something else, but i would like to hear. what is it? how is it? in russia, they are commenting on the fact that in russian cities on the border with ukraine, in the occupied ukrainian territories, celebrations are canceled from may 1 to may 9. this is how they explain it and do not comment on it, and it is interesting because in russia it is interesting sometimes what they say and sometimes what they don't say, and if you watch russian television

, there is no news. and here we will discuss it because it really says something very important about the course of events in this war, and it is for this reason that they tell the truth on television because it really it is possible to draw disappointing conclusions for the russian army. but in social networks, e-e, many people say that how did it happen that russia went this way from the parade in kyiv three days before the cancellation of the parade in belgorod and kursk ? well, while in russia it is a cult on may 9, yes. what's going on thank you vitaly shevchenko editor of the russia department of the bbc monitoring service thank you for joining us on the air and the president of brazil luis and nastya lullada silva came to china for ukraine it is important to follow this visit because the day before

the brazilian president said that he was ready to be a mediator between ukraine and russia to stop the war siyin-pin wants to act as a mediator, he offered his peace initiatives and at the same time went to putin in moscow in general latin american countries pay attention to china regarding the position on the war in ukraine one of the reasons is trade for them china is an important trade partner, yes , brazil sells soybeans, beef , iron ore to china, receives a lot of investment from it, so the visit of brazilian president lulu is primarily an opportunity to increase trade, it was reported that they plan to sign 20 trade agreements and also for the moons - this is an opportunity to establish brazil as a global player after the reign of bolcenar, when the country was somewhat isolated. see with what honors the country receives lula de silva - this is an official visit that just assumes such a level of acceptance and contact us the chief consultant of the national institute for strategic studies, alina hrytsenko

, the chinese media reports that lulu and siti agreed, quoting that negotiations are the only way to resolve the ukrainian crisis through war are not called and called on more countries to play a constructive role in the political solution, if you translate such a message from the political language of russian aggression we do not condemn and we will not condemn it roughly the way it sounds or not of ukraine, and this happened even before lodosyala took office for the third time, it happened in the fall of last year, but at the same time , while condemning russia, lola da sila simultaneously criticizes the ukrainian president in particular and criticizes his high diplomatic activity, communication with foreign countries, his constant appeals to the parliaments of other countries, he says that

if president zelensky really wanted to stop the war, he would sit down with putin at the table negotiations, but at the same time it also criticizes the west and the united states, the european union, and considers it for the fact that the west seems to have provoked ukraine and called for joining nato before and in to nato and to the european union, and this is what provoked it aggression of russia against ukraine, unfortunately, the brazilian president forgets that the war actually began in the 14th year and not in the 22nd. but nevertheless, that is, the brazilian president is more inclined to accept the russian position and perceive russian motives. why did russia start an intervention before of ukraine, but paradoxically brazil , although officially observing neutrality , continues to support ukrainian resolutions on international platforms, for example, at the un, for example, last

march after the start of a full-scale invasion brazil voted for a resolution that called on the russian federation to leave the entire territory of ukraine, i.e. both yours and ours at the same time, such is the current balancing position in brazil regarding the war in ukraine in ukraine and the chinese media , the ukrainian crisis is the standard term they use during the entire period , it was initially a large-scale invasion, so here , unfortunately, no changes are expected, but considering the position of china, this visit can be considered as the creation of such a coalition in support of russia, as opposed to western countries that support the country in any case in no case was the visit of the brazilian president actually about establishing bilateral relations and not about the russian-ukrainian war, it was not the main number of the visit china is not trying to unite or consolidate any states

for the sake of supporting russia in this war. moreover , in the case of brazil, it is generally unprofitable , taking into account the national interests of brazil, they will remain neutral this way , well, this war affects brazil indirectly and russia's support will actually bring nothing to brazil here except world criticism from the western countries, including the government of silva, who has quite serious geopolitical ambitions. when he arrived in china, shanghai, he announced that brazil has returned, which means that brazil is returning to more active geopolitical activity . and his government silva has as his goal to approve and raise his political status in brazil, to approve brazil as one of the world's power centers, and the support is the open support of russia it is unlikely that such a strategy will contribute to such a move, so the visit has so far been to china, communication is all by zimpin, it

is in no way about trying to create some kind of alliance that would support russia in this war, although lodoss is actually trying to play the peacemaker and calls for the creation of the so-called peace a club where states could unite that could theoretically become mediators and mediators in the settlement of the russian-ukrainian war and, of course, what happened to the village considers brazil as one of such states well, to say the least about these peace initiatives, the ukrainian authorities called them unacceptable because they do not provide for the return of crimea, why did lula come out with such a proposal, why did he simply not support what all the calls offer , for example a-a it would be logical in fact, but since lovy silva is trying to promote brazil in the quality of a regional leader, therefore , from the leader of a state that claims such

a status, accordingly, some kind of own initiative is required, and some kind of recipe for peace , the withdrawal of the whole, found such a recipe for peace on his view is that the liberation of the occupied territories except crimea can be at least a beginning and a prerequisite for the ukrainian and russian presidents to sit down at the negotiating table. well, unfortunately, our position does not seem acceptable to the brazilian president, it means the military liberation of all the occupied territories , and therefore what is this and so far this is the only way to end this war and the brazilian president currently does not realize that any peace negotiations with the russian federation , unfortunately, are absolutely not of any use to the french will not bring any result, in fact, all these calls for peace negotiations are heard from everywhere, from all the countries of the global cock, and from china and india, we hear it, and because the parties

are trying to use such rhetoric to support their neutral status, to call for negotiations because, in fact, it is nobody has a recipe for peace, a recipe for negotiations. that is, these are just such rhetorical tourist attempts. i somehow latch onto this topic because the russian-ukrainian war is a trending issue - it is one of the hottest conflicts in the world, of course, every country tries to offer some ways . thank you, alina . thank you. unfortunately, we have to move on to other topics. zabuzhko. she is convinced that the collapse of russia is inevitable and that this process must take place under international control. according to her definition , the people of world history have flown

. this century has a very interesting future, i talked about all this with the writer when she was coming to london, the victory of ukraine and what it will be like for you and the defeat of ukraine , what will it be like, there will be no defeat of ukraine, so this possibility is not even worth discussing , there will be no defeat of ukraine so, according to all constellations, eh, order historical and political and any social ones, eh. that is, this is excluded, eh. well , the victory of ukraine is the collapse of the empire, the collapse of russia, we will talk with you later, what will be after the war, ukraine politically and culturally, what place will ukraine have in europe? is it about a wider process ? as far as i am concerned, it is about reformatting the current international balance on a global scale. well

, little by little, ukraine is changing the balance of leadership together with those countries that timothy snyder identified as bloody lands. which actually fell on which the main burden of the second world war fell on you having this is how the west saw the emergence of russian , i.e. the homogeneous west is not homogeneous france germany all old belgium all these old empires, former former empires, nowadays, the so-called old democracies, they all told the baltic countries and poland , when they stood up and said something about out soviet totalitarianism, oh, sit , sit, sit, what do you mean by your complexes in relation to russia, listen and learn

how to trade now with the new with the reformed russia, how should we look at the future as the end of history from fukuyama and that there is also an appendix from the yuvelah arabs to the 21st century, more people will die from suicide from boredom than from warriors and so next and so on all this uh all this i would say just the pride of the old empires in relation to the former this europe of the warsaw side here very clearly is happening now in division and uh and what uh now is the voice of these very bloody lands more audible that they can file a lawsuit and say, remember , t-shirts like these were sold in kyiv a few years ago with such a print , and i said that now they can file a

lawsuit . the empires admit that they saw through it they were so wrong, changing the paradigm, changing the narratives, changing the ratio of balances for let's think about the fact that everything will remain as it is on the map. maybe 10 there is a new inter-state union with lithuania, poland and maybe romania , let's say on the basis of correcting the mistakes made by our ancestors in the 17th century, we closed the khmelnytskyi project we closed the khmelnytskyi project, we have not yet analyzed, he was not a complete loser, it is quite possible, you know, that he was not even

the worst of the others that were alternative . and now we are coming back, because we had him lying in a corner unrealized all these years. the victorious states, the anathematized project of mazepa - this is an intermarium, this means from ball to ball, yes, to the black sea, mmm, and here there is an opportunity, its er, it means plots, and there are also possible pertubations here, too, in any case , er, it means they forgot everything what we were taught in school rather, as if they did not forget, but started to turn it on, took another pair of glasses and re-read what we were taught and added what we were not taught, and prepared for really very big, very serious changes in which ukraine will definitely be a regional leader, and that means

really indeed, a very interesting future awaits her and a very interesting biography in the future in this century. but after our victory and victory it must be not only military, it must be intellectual because how can you win - how can you win a war and lose the state is also it happened in history more than once, not twice, russia disintegrates, russia does not disintegrate , you say a lot about this, you say that the war will end with the disintegration of russia. this is how you imagine it, that the disintegration of russia is fast, slow, in principle. of course, there can be different scenarios, but more or less, here you understand the direction. so that in order to find out how it will be, everyone who tells how it will be in me is at least already known by charlottes because the direction is so you can not guess how to see predict there is this you know there is this site there is this

zeitgeist there is this sense of direction where history moves and er and we are really endowed with it. well, maybe not the intuition of the diagnostician, the intuition of the social diagnostician, but how exactly will it be, will the russian army, er , come back, when we push it out of the territory of ukraine, after returning to itself, it will start fighting among itself, it will suit there is a war of all against all, unconditional contradictions and uncleanness, cut down, cut, uh, that means you will turn the entire territory into hell until, until somehow, everything there will not fall apart, will not be divided and will not settle, or will there be some international control, which i gradually i'm calling for it. we used to constantly call for microphones from all the tribunes, which uh, that means they give me what should be under international control , uh, calm, smooth, uh

, that's the natural thing to say , fall. this entire large uninhabited territory is large only by its wasteland, you understand, all the way to vladivostok , and then it will be colored and then it will appear on it, let's say how it will appear, then mongolia will change its meaning. more dynamic and interesting, and you just have to be ready for these changes, and that's all for today , until monday, all these