[000:00:00;00] budanov said in the spring that it was russia that profited from this leak . last week, i will remind you, a series of secret intelligence documents of the us ministry of defense were published on the internet, which discussed, in particular, the state of the ukrainian and russian troops. he is suspected of leaking documents, friends of the detainee said that he shared these secret documents from the very beginning of russia's full-scale invasion of ukraine well, if you look at this leak, the disclosure of secret materials, analysts are already calling the most serious violation of us national security, which can have an impact on bilateral relations with allies and the further exchange of information , in particular, here we can assume , including with ukraine, pavlo pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-

2019. my greetings . congratulations, ladies . i congratulate you, friends. of chinese leaders premier java online told his american interlocutor that zoryana still evaluates the results of the great french revolution i certainly do not look that far into history, but i think that it is also too early to make detailed assessments, of course this leak is unfortunate, but no tragedy or disaster as of today and i don't see these documents that we saw. yes, this is restricted information, but there is nothing super

secret that can affect our prospects , of course, any leak affects the the atmosphere is emotions but does it affect the content eh here i have a big doubt but nevertheless we don't know how many more documents there are he just started uploading documents to the gamer platform. first it was discord, then they appeared on twitter and on other resources. how many other documents are there and what kind of documents are there, does he work alone?

i'm not a fan myself, but i have such a feeling that we are only at the beginning of this story , and if you look at what the president of the united states biden actually said, well, it's a shame, but nevertheless, this information is critical and not new enough , but what will happen next. how will it affect trust within the united states than e-e special services in the security sector how will this affect the virus by the allies in the end this is a fundamental issue of civil liberties because the first amendment to the american constitution is how you know about freedom of speech and this is what they say in the united states

holy, but nevertheless, the special services of the states now have to filter everything, the entire cyberspace, just like us, and this means a fundamental change in the reality in which we are, so again, today, i do not see the possibility of giving unequivocal assessments , let's wait and what will we we will receive in the near future, here is another opinion , in particular, yesterday, one of the experts voiced it on our broadcast that ukraine well, for now, until some other portions of these documents have appeared . congressmen and senators, maybe well, if they were not so deeply interested before, now they have learned that ukraine lacks a sufficient amount of weapons for a counteroffensive. and maybe this, on the contrary, will tempt them to speed up aid, but i don’t know whether you share this opinion or there is no sense in dividing it into

i’m sorry i don’t share it. i would really like to share it both mentally and with my heart, but everything there is well known, there are internal evaluations, you and i saw information with limited access, but there is also secret information that, of course , senators and congressmen can receive the internal system is, of course, a vision of what is happening, and this is a broad enough vision for those who make politics in washington . so coincidentally, at some uh, fictitious moment , they start saying that they will not supply weapons, and neither to russia, they do it after the minister of foreign affairs of china

publishes new principles regarding afghanistan and is going to deal with it, that is, in fact, a lot will now happen in the field of geopolitics, but as for the supply of weapons, this is a question of political will and this is a question of the administration, but of course it is also a question of bipartisan support, and if you want two parties now, bipartisan mail to whom to the administration because everything in in the hands of joseph biden and those who are directly preparing a decision for him on what to do. they know how to do it too. the question is what to make of this decision. and what do you think after this leak and after those leaks that may still appear in does kyiv have a future or can it afford at all? kyiv does not share sensitive information with

washington. it cannot. the united states is our main ally. we can defeat the russian regime only with it. of course, it is the ukrainians . of course, it is our life. and this is the main thing, everyone in the united states admits it, no matter what they say. but nevertheless , intelligence is logistics, it is supplies of the sbu, and it is strategic advice given to us by allies, and among them, of course, i i don't want to point fingers there to determine the best and worst allies, as it is always bad with best and worst friends, but the americans are for us the number one ally and in a good sense we are doomed to be together, to be

today, to be simple and to be in the future, i can't of course to say that it will be there in 30 years, but for the near term , the united states is critically important for us. and i really hope that we are critically important for the united states, but allies for ukraine need to work on this, but today, the american german publications from referring to one of the documents that became public as a result of this leak, referring to this document, it is said that the chief of the general staff of the russian armed forces gerasimov, secretary of the security council of russia , patrushev allegedly tried to sabotage the seizure of ukraine at the beginning of the war and insisted that the war end 5 march 22, and this is only one such detail that emerged from these secret documents. and there is also a lot about the weaknesses of the russian

army, about the losses of the russian army, or will it have the totality of these sources, will it have any influence on russia? i hope so, but you and i do not know that any of these documents are manipulated, we know that a large part is authentic, this is what we hear as of today, but we know that several moments have already been manipulated and the american administration is working to determine exactly how, who did it and who benefited from it . we know very well that the russian special services are actively working with hackers and gaming platforms, this is a known fact, they are not even are hiding, i think that we are also actively working and everyone else, because cyber war is now almost as important as the military dimension, but who and how did it, let's wait until we

get the results of the analysis, well, the special services will have them soon enough, we will probably be a little later, but this is a must will definitely come to the surface. and then it will be possible to draw conclusions from what we see today from what i had the opportunity to look at. well, in fact, there is a lot that puts russia in a negative world . this is how russian is studied. armed forces, but in general , the russian system is still unable to adapt to new modern realities, since the russian system is the most far-reaching. and by the way, this can be seen from the documents, just as it can be seen that the americans follow in great detail what is happening in russia and can predict

what actions russia will take will be there in a day for five for 10 according to different schemes in different states, but it is very, very important and it is actually inspiring in some sense, thank you very much pavlo klimkin minister of foreign affairs of ukraine 2014-19 well, we continue to discuss the consequences of the leak of american secret military documents. ihor eisenberg, a professor at new york university, joins our broadcast. my greetings to all artists . i would like to remind you that, for example, the head of ukrainian intelligence, kyrylo budanov, said that the publication of these secret documents will not affect relations between ukraine and allies and he said that russia was the only party that benefited from this leak

. they express their experiences there. what risks do they see? share with us the latest news. what is it called? i watched it in the usa . everyone who comments is watching it. it is in a slightly different coordinate system. and because it is in the usa, everyone who comments, journalists and editors and on television and as a member of congress, i appeared on television , let's say, last night, and a lot of people talked about it in an interview with a journalist there , let's say , of the leading newspapers. of the amount of a-a secret information e-e that consists of a development report, how could it happen at all, what is it, what is it possible , what is a person who, as a military serviceman, and

, moreover, such a person does not hear links to military personnel, although although, as it turned out , today he had an e-e admission to all the relevant secret documents , or otherwise he simply would not be able to work there on the server on which he worked before these documents , so maybe i will just explain, after all, the center of the air force, where the intelligence information is collected, is deformed. packets of information that are sent from er to the corresponding a-a to the corresponding dishes to high-ranking officials a-a ministry of defense of the joint chiefs of staff committee and here is this 21-year-old a-a a-a i don't know what to call him, well, just

we had a last name, ira, he just worked on this server, uh, how do you know it, like an ordinary e-tishnik , a low-ranking night, and i, uh, who did he have access to? how could this happen, what is it possible to simply rewrite and download uh, secret information, uh, to distribute it outside of this position, as if we are a closed network, we are a computer network of uh, the pentagon. major shortcomings and it is still necessary to change something about it immediately, and they usually talk about the fact that it can have a negative impact on the politics of the united states, the impossibility

of implementing policies, and in particular , it can have a negative impact on relations with allies well, and so on, by the way, this rumor is true, and it is officially considered that it is related to the leak. but do the politicians and journalists in the usa allow the russian trace in this story, or do they discuss it, as we heard at the beginning, that it is possible that russia is behind the whole story? i would say that there are many versions that are published in the newspapers, but this is not the main version, there are many versions, many assumptions, but i would say that without these, i waited until the results of the investigation, because

i think that the investigation will find out who is behind is russia behind this ? is it this young man ? i will find out soon, we will find out about it. your assumptions can be any, but none of these assumptions can be substantiated in any way. what is behind this, who is behind this, besides this jack, the flow of ideas to which and how many secret documents he was related to and could see these documents, respectively, could also be leaked. i am asking this in the context of whether they are expecting a new batch of documents in washington , or whether they are writing about it or warning about it , warning about it, yes, of course, or what do they know, which is very good. what documents did he have access to , what could he copy from there, what

he could still spread it somewhere, somewhere. i think that the appropriate measures have already been taken so that nothing else appears anywhere, that there is nothing to appear , but in general, the main thing is that you tell the united states that this indicates a very imperfect system of storing secret access documents to them must be changed immediately because it is, in any case, any extract of secret documents is very, very bad. this is very bad from all points of view . to change, to change the system of their storage, to change the system of access to them, this is the main thing to be discussed, even today, france, early, before that, i watched the work on television, ah, at breakfast, just a few members of the congress, that’s the main thing that worries them, moreover, from both

parties well, i think it's right that it shows about a hole in the system or the security in the system of storing secret documents, thank you very much for your comment, a professor from new york university was on radio svoboda, we talked about the consequences of the leak of american secret military documents . well, in part, the former minister of foreign affairs of ukraine pavlo klimkin linkin already reminded and we now also want to return to this topic china will not sell weapons to any of the parties involved in the war in ukraine and also china will regulate exports goods of dual purpose, this is the statement made today by the minister of foreign affairs of china, tsinghan, in response to the alarming concerns of the united states and other countries regarding the possible supply of weapons by china to russia, which beijing

supports politically rhetorically. how do we know and can draw such conclusions in the war, although officially declares that it maintains neutrality, while today it became known that chinese defense minister li shanfu will go to russia next week, as reported by the minister of the ministry of china's defense to russia, the chinese minister is going at the invitation of defense minister sergei shoigu, the visit will last three days from april 16 to 19, and i will remind him that in march , another visit was preceded by the visit of the leader of the people's republic of china sisyphin , during which he and putin declared that the parties , i.e. russia and china have promised to be friends in the future and to build closer ties, what is currently happening in russian-chinese relations? well , what to expect from the meeting of the defense ministers of these two countries, joins our broadcast petro shevchenko analyst live from china as far as i understand my congratulations i congratulate you so what to expect from this visit is there any reason

to believe that china has already finally made a bet on the kremlin and support has left moscow is inevitable well, is it even worth it this is how i just related the minister's visit of defense to russia i linked it with the visit of the leader of china to russia, which took place a month ago, are these two events connected, or does one stem from another question, on whom does china put the whale and put itself, that is , if there is a kremlin in moscow, it is called the kremlin in in china, it is called dzhungai. that is, it is the government quarter where the top leadership of ukraine is located, that is, china bets on dzhongan, let him bet on his position in general. here in this world chaos, he is looking for his place in the new world order. is there a connection between the fact that lei shanfu will now go to russia and the fact that it was possibly discussed during the meeting of the two leaders

, it was 100% discussed because this visit has three levels, of course they will not say about it publicly, but the first level is geosystemic in other words, this is the continuation of china's cooperation with the russian federation regarding the deterrence of the strategic deterrence of the united states in the pacific region. this is, firstly, secondly , this is military-technological cooperation, and thirdly, it is the joint efforts of china and russia , as well as others, to fill these security gaps in the world from where the united parts of the united states of america now enter, for example , the strait of uman, e.e., saudi arabia, and so on, because they will agree on certain joint training measures, and so on.

so on and so on from this meeting of defense ministers in moscow, the chinese defense minister, the russian defense minister, you expect and it is possible that the chinese media will write about it, the chinese media . the main point - the main point of contact here is precisely strategic cooperation in the pacific region, which is aimed at creating a certain leverage in order to create a certain balancing force against that the united states of america is now trying to create in them a european x-ray, that is, relatively speaking, the more states interact with the philippines, conduct joint training, agree on something, create new military bases, they are now trying to strengthen the acus. this is a strategic alliance great britain, australia, the united states of america, they also cooperate with japan the more this interaction between the united states and their

asian allies will be carried out, the more correlation will occur in the relations between moscow and so, regarding the fact that it also needs to create a certain counterbalancer at the geostatic level . well, i think that we will just see that there will be a closer interaction precisely in those ukrainian regions, as they already said in the kremlin what they want in the distant in the east, create another base with submarines that will carry nuclear torpedoes in sequence, and this is also part of the top agreement at a high level, but you know what this meeting with the minister of defense of russia is for, and it would seem that there is no other task than to carry out offensives, occupy ukrainian territories, and then he does not have any other task, and here is the height of the war in ukraine, why is the chinese defense minister coming to him ? did i understand you correctly, that it is unlikely that they will discuss any cooperation in

the context of the war in ukraine? yes, because after all if we take the acute and geostrategic perspective, then china first of all values ​​and for him the most important is the eastern direction , that is to say, the eastern front of the confrontation with the student states of america, and we we understand that in the relations between moscow and beijing, the primacy still belongs to china, and it is more influential, and that is why i think that this is the canvas, this is the direction of the negotiations, it will be directed to the fact that they need to somehow interact precisely in the east in asia and their allies and ukraine also had such information, repeatedly stated that china is considering the possibility of supplying russia with weapons, and according to the american media, it may be about hadrons and ammunition and even

artillery. beijing denies this, but also now there is at least the slightest reason to believe that beijing will start supplying these weapons. does it fall within the scope of china’s interests if china only thinks about itself? well, china in general is such a unique civilization, a very mature socialization that generally looks at the process from such and such a height thousands of years ago because they believe that their history will continue for 5,000 years, and they consider themselves the wisest, most mature , most evil nation, and that's why they still look like they saw in ukraine precisely from from the point of view of their own interests, and with regard to ukraine, they are still interested in stabilization. the question is that now this stabilization does not suit ukraine yet . what if kyiv would publicly inform? well, if we talk about weapons in particular, then i think that this is

information that no one publicly it will not be talked about, and we can still save ourselves now only by a statement from, for example, the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china or some other sources of information in the mass media , but still, let's see how the situation will develop. for now, this is public . no one is talking about it after like everyone else visited moscow in kyiv hmm, they hoped that his phone conversation with volodymyr zelenskyi would take place, but it did not happen and since then , a number of european politicians and french presidents, the head of the european commission , ursula fondlyayan, by the way, after this visit to china, she said that she allegedly advised everyone to call zelensky and tell me, please, do we have an understanding of why they are hesitating. and what is the problem ? what is the problem here? and the fact is that

china still does not see the feasibility of this that china is now building its already global strategy, its general strategy, in order to transform from the factory of the world into a more powerful structure that would have not only, for example, economic influence, but also political and certain regional status , and therefore one of the steps is that to become a security provider in the territory of eurasia, and we have already seen that china is very successful, well , he became a broker, he became a broker of the agreement between saudi arabia and iran , a meeting was held in samarkand between the heads of the chinese foreign ministry well, pakistan and russia, and this also emphasized that china is already entering as an active player not only there in terms of the economy, let 's create something together, but it is also an active actor in the field of security. that is, it was the first agreement, now the second agreement and china . he said that he is also ready

to become an intermediary between kyiv and moscow, if he is still china hesitates to call ukraine, it means that he is not yet sure that such a call will give certain results and if such a sign occurs and for example, all he will put his reputation on e lever yes on the weight of the scales and in the end what will not work out it can be very bad for the global status of china therefore for now i think china he still looks closely at the situation he analyzes and studies the situation and he still does not think that it will be 100% possible to become a mediator, so i think because of this we see that there is no sound for this yet , but i think that in the future we will see it because after all china, he is also uh. he is not an enemy except because he remembers talks about ukraine are not at the highest level for example, there was a phone call between dmytro kuleba and my head of the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china. he remembers ukraine and

he appreciates ukraine because of the geo-strategic position of ukraine. yes, it lies on the path of the chinese initiative, there is one clear path , so i think for china you are already important ukraine but now, after all, i think he does not see confidence in the fact that he can become this peacemaker, thank you very much for such an interpretation of chinese diplomacy, petro shevchenko, the analyst was with us live, further , i suggest watching a report from bakhmut about that how do ukrainian fighters work, howitzer work, it was recorded by our colleague, a correspondent of the tv channel, present time, mainly in that direction, the infantry then concentrated a lot on the human factor of the russian federation during the firing, yes, there were some such adjustments, respectively, the first projectile

this is a firing one so you can see where it fell , then the second one is correcting. so there was a third one to finish off, accordingly , most likely, i hope that the infantry that was detected at the moment was destroyed. i hope everything and i'm sure it would be ideal for us if we were supplied with more samples of western weapons that hit at a greater distance so that we could destroy on their approaches so the bc warehouses according to their live command posts they are somewhere in the depths theirs, oh, and we can't , our community, alone is enough. if there were more weapons that reach deeper, then they would be much more useful in that