[000:00:00;00] this is the word at last. and when there will be a moment when everything will be destroyed, we mustn't forget a little one once said that the third world war is not so terrible even if two -thirds of humanity disappears, a third of a third, every third will be the chinese of alexander's war. and by the way, when talking about putin's nuclear weapons putin will finish disarmament has nothing to do with it, it's not his level of competence , it's not his level of management, it's a weapon of the high command, russian nuclear weapons are completely owned by china, and what the chinese defense minister says, what the comrade says, that's how they will be by the way, i will not be surprised if part of the ocean fleet is slowly re-based on the one hand closer to taiwan

and on the other hand they will go to the north of europe, because we no longer actually have data on any combat-ready units and in siberia in the far east of russia, there are no troops there in general, from the word completely, there are practically no garrisons there, everything was removed from there, in fact , it took place there, and the gateway to china and russia remained there now, only the border units of the chinese people’s liberation army of china and very the few border outposts of the russian federation and the chinese army, which is completely theirs, now they have raised the level a little because there is readiness, it is not the highest for today, but it is the second from they seem to have four or five levels, but they have names second from such a calm level thank you, sir oleksandre oleksandr zelenko, former employee

of foreign intelligence, now of the soviet union associate professor of the department of psychology of the kyiv national university, we are in contact now from china to poland, we will move michal marok to franz, faculty of international and of political studies and galon university. greetings, mr. mykhailo, i can't hear you now, maybe i want to now, i don't. no, i don't have a knife, unfortunately, i hope that he will appear now, because we have something to talk about. when it comes to polish-ukrainian relations recently there was a visit of the president of ukraine from volodymyr zelenskyi to warsaw, and even then, against the background of all such pathetic statements, they warned about a real economic crisis that has come in polish-ukrainian relations. so yesterday this crisis became a reality when poland banned import

of grain and other agricultural products from ukraine. congratulations, mr. mykhailo. yes, now it’s better. you can hear me now. you can hear me so well . let’s start with yesterday’s important topic . despite all the attempts to agree on the talks between the presidents, duda volodymyr zelenskyi at the meeting with the minister of agriculture of poland yesterday in general hungary stopped the importation of other agricultural products from ukraine, and it is obvious that this import ban will be another blow to the ukrainian economy. to forget how justified such a reason was. and is there even a way out of this situation because, as you know, we found ourselves in such a trap. poland, on the one hand, proclaims itself as the main ally of ukraine, supplies ukraine with weapons, says that it will support ukrainian european and anatological integration on the other hand , as soon as there are threats to the economic well-being of poland itself and the electoral interests of the ruling party, it becomes absolutely obvious that poland is ready to bury

the ukrainian economy under the ruins of the ukrainian the war is not so bad, first of all, we are only stopping this possibility of transit imports through poland for several months , until june, that is, we are giving time for all of us to solve this problem together, well, the situation is quite serious because we didn't manage to organize a quick, quick process here, if the transfer of your grain was far to the west and this caused a serious internal green piston. now the most important thing is to remember that in poland there is also an election campaign and precisely pro-russian forces they are somehow trying to make a point of joining these protests to prove that they, and the pro-russian forces, are able to protect the interests of polish farmers, that is, the protests are not caused by the russian side, but the russians and the pro-russian forces are trying to take advantage of this situation, and when we see it, we will look at it

more strategically, this situation must be resolved quickly, because if this situation is not radical and quickly resolved , then more pro-russian forces will join you and they will be just that used to stimulate opposition in polish society in polish society in relation to further assistance to ukraine. that is, we need to quickly resolve this so that there are no other problems and that we can calmly continue to help you, that is, it is not that we are here on you somehow, this is not betrayal, this is nothing terrible , we just need to solve this topic quickly and later we can continue to work and this is the most important thing here, not that we want to solve it ourselves somewhere from our discourse, we just want to solve it together within the framework

of cooperation conversations singing negotiations and with the involvement of the ukrainian side, how can this be resolved, because it is in the interests of both yours and ours, and here i think that there is nothing to look for, no treason, we just need to resolve it and wait and it will work out, i think that this is how it is going, it is decided as far as possible now in principle it is possible to talk about the situation with an improved military situation. in poland itself , if we know what it wants, we have always sought from the united states the creation of some new large base. on its territory, they are now saying that such a base was created on the one hand guarantee of security or maybe on the other hand, she can consider this guarantee of the danger of the american base in poland for the russians , so to speak, well, the russians have been shouting for several years that we are a serious threat to them, that we are generally er-er provoking this third world war and what will we say here russian meetings have not changed at all, and this base also does not change anything in essence when we talk about russian shouts about polish american

provocations, that is, there is nothing to pay any serious attention to this here at all er, from our point of view, it is very, it is very important that there are very er russian in poland, you see american bases , so that there is american infrastructure, so when we talk about the base, the base our minister of defense. it is very important because there will be some elements not only important elements for american tanks, american bmps, but also there will be ammunition for american weapons. that is, this is the infrastructure. yakov will help quickly in the moment of an even greater crisis er transfer the american powerful american forces and here already prepare for the defense of all the er eastern economies of nato. that is, this is an absolutely very important step and here

. we hope that this is one of the first steps to the fact that we already have such powerful american bases permanently with the appropriate number of american soldiers, well, it is in the interests of poland, it is in the interests of nato that we are provided here and can react quickly, and this also affects the fact that we can continue to help ukraine through the supply of weapons. which happens from poland happens from poland happens to you well, we need you for her quickly er quickly replacement and this is just happening and tell me if we go back to the visit of the prime minister of poland, mateo shom grabecki, to the united states, where he said that in europe strategic autonomy is not needed, the strategic union of the united states can talk about what is happening now. this is so real, so serious, so real. such a serious demarcation between the countries of the european union is happening. do you agree with

this? it's hard to say. well, as they say russians here, not everything is so clear-cut, remember, on the one hand, poland is very interested in increasing the presence of nato troops on its territory, and we are trying to consolidate this cooperation between the states who want to help us well and help you and these states who understand more that this threat from russia is more than just very serious for all of nato and these states, as i understand it , are primarily the usa and great britain and that is why we are here if there is more understanding of the situation and that's it affects this if there is a state such as germany and france on this larger cooperation, but they go a little bit in a different way, but this does not mean that within nato there is some very powerful disorder , there is a different perception of interests, there is a different perception

of the russian threat, and there are some points but this is it there is no very, very powerful division, it has no effect on the unity of nato, there are problems , as in everything, as in all, there is no ideal granation between the states, there are problems , but this is, let’s say, not very, not some kind of strategic problem. it can all be solved, but first of all, focus on cooperation with these countries, as they already understand this situation, and diplomatic actions are being conducted here, as with these countries, as you understand the situation more, as with these countries, and do not fully share our opinion. well, as far as possible in general, to believe that this point of view of macron is the prevailing one today in the countries of the so-called old europe , whose support i can count on poland when it talks about strategic alliances with the united states, first of all, it must be remembered that france is also now very important internal

and macron's question is also, well, his actions are related to stabilizing the situation in the internal state and to build a simply positive , precisely to build his position. that's why we need to understand this factor and also look at his statements through this factor, well, when we say about against more strategic more let's say more consolidation of reaction more powerful reaction well, here we need to focus on the usa and great britain and involve as many other countries as possible. well, also lithuania. in this regard , latvia and estonia are very interested, but yes as they say, the most important thing from the polish perspective is precisely to work with these states, simply in one direction, to work with great britain and the usa, and in the other direction to explain uh, increase understanding uh, regarding the situation with such states as germany and france, in principle, if we talk about what is happening today with ukrainians abroad. this is an important thing because we have a survey that shows that almost 40% of those who left

ukraine today do not want to return home, and this number may increase if the war continues in general, to what extent do you think that modern poland is ready for the adaptation of these people , um, first of all, as we can see, these people live peacefully in our country, work and adapt, and this is uh , you can say it is a natural process. us, our government, here, there is no need to help any more in this regard, yes, here, i think that there are no problems, first of all, you should say the most important thing from the fact that i understand the situation, since as far as i communicate with the ukrainians who are here drove by us they feel like here people, let's say not as people of the second category, that is, they feel here on the same level as the poles, the majority, the vast majority of them, and this affects the fact that it is simply profitable to live here, because they can work, they can earn , they can transfer money to ukraine, they can

help their people, but above all, they here they are safe and live quite comfortably, and our government is somehow more, much more, not if this is the government's point of view , it is clear that we need to help in adaptation, but it is not somehow if this situation that exists now. it allows for these people simply adapted. another question is whether it is absolutely in the interests of ukraine for these people to adapt here. well, we are trying to help ukrainians as much as we can, but for these people to return to ukraine later , after the end of the uh-war, but here it is already uh- do you need to work on this topic , both informationally and economically later? i understand that it is still too far to talk about it at all, but from the polish point of view , we are trying to help them as much as possible. and the fact that they just want to stay with us. well it means that what if we what if they just what we managed to give them just more comfort you need these people on the labor market er there is well

this is again a very, very difficult issue without one side er they are needed and on the other hand already not so, well, not radically, that is, we have so much. we don't have unemployment. yes, there are some elements of our economy where too many workers are already starting to be a problem . but again, i'm not an economist, i'm just. well, i haven't heard that some very serious problems were building up here, but where do i say? well, i'm not an expert from an economic point of view on economic rights issues uh, but from what i understand the situations of these people uh, it is clear that there will be work for them, but there are none very radically , if we put it this way, the polish economy survived like the ukrainians calmly return home yes , but it is clear that they they are here as a positive factor, thank you, thank you, mr. mykhailo michal marik, to the doctors of the faculty of international and political studies and galon

university from poland, we were in touch, we will now move on to our new interlocutor, the deputy permanent the representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea, denis, also chistika, we congratulate you, mr. denis, on the holiday, so let's start with the black sea security conference of the crimean platform in bucharest, just so that you can tell us the results for ukraine , for crimea, for the de-occupation of crimea. well, several factors should be noted here the fact that the black sea security forum was held within the framework of the initials of the crimean platform. at the same time, the representative office is responsible for the internal track of the crimean platform, that is, the national office of the ukrainian reform, it functions within the framework of the representative office, that is, as far as security is concerned, it is already a prerogative and is the ministry of foreign affairs itself . at the same time, it should be noted that this was a regular platform for the consolidation of efforts to support

ukraine and the development of a joint strategy for the development of policies in the black sea region of ukraine demonstrated that crimea and the situation in crimea greatly affect the security of the situation in the black sea region, including food security, and this factor and also were confirmed by those participants, including the ministry of foreign affairs and romania, bulgaria and the baltic states, who also noted that they underestimated the danger coming from russia, as well as the danger and delay in the resolution of the crimea issue in 2014 , since everyone understood that it was crimea that was occupied and was subsequently used by the russian occupation for further offensive actions not only against ukraine but also europe and the world as a whole . the political option of the liberation of crimea, but do you believe in it at all? well, they leave it and

after a full-scale invasion, after all , the military component of the liberation of crimea is in the first place, and including that , changes will now be made to the strategy for the occupation, which is also in the first place, although there is still a diplomatic policy, but the military component is still in the first place . at the same time, ukraine demonstrates its readiness that with the liberation of crimea, it will reduce the number of dead in the country and reduce the destruction on the territory it can give crimea the opportunity to retreat to the russian federation. and at the same time, the military component will be the main one in liberating the temporarily occupied crimea. if we talk about how, in principle , the situation with the russian reaction to a possible ukrainian mood can happen now , we hear reports that russians , citizens of the russian federation are leaving crimea

, mrs. tashova is talking about this, your leadership , well, constantly representative offices of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea what statistics, what information are you looking for you rely on when you report about this, er, about this exit of russians from the occupied territory, and it should be noted that in general, in the territory of the russian federation , the occupation administration itself confirms that about half a million citizens of the russian federation entered after 2014. however, according to other sources in including public organizations, because the indicated number of forests ranges from 800 to a million million people of russian citizens. as for the outflow , there were several waves of the outflow of russian citizens. the first was after a full-scale of the beginning of a full-scale invasion. despite the fact that russia began a full-scale invasion, at the same time everything became an impetus for the departure of russian citizens from the territory of the occupied crimea, the second wave of outflow was this after the first cotton -

this is in the summer of 2022, then not only russian citizens were deported who bought property and began to leave crimea, but also began to take away the heads of their families, including military personnel and law enforcement officers. the family is also considering the removal and re-registration of their property, in addition, the statistical indicators that are already shown in sevastopol. they did not try to hide their citizens' bitcoins before because it caused a panicky mood, but already in march 23 , sevastopol demonstrated an official about that that the statistics in the city began to give a mini -minus negative indicator in comparison - for the first time since 2014, in addition, outflows show property in relation to the property market so. now

, although the property market has become because residents they are trying to sell it at the price that existed and a full-scale invasion, but its existing offers are much larger than they were before the beginning of 2022, which also indicates that russian citizens are trying to get rid of this property and leave the territory of the crimean peninsula. and this is the thesis about that ukraine will not allow citizens of the russian federation to live in crimea, which country did you bring them in after the occupation, this is also a very important point to consider when we talk about the de-occupation period recently we saw the mass eviction of people from the territory where they lived after the second world war. and this would be memorable. when it comes to such a large number of people, it can be compared with the eviction of residents of, say, east prussia or those territories that were given to poland's allies from germany are those

territories that were annexed to the soviet union, to ukraine, for example, where there was an eviction of people or territories that were actually withdrawn after the polish vistula operation, all this is very similar in terms of the number of numbers, it just happens the question is to what extent. how will it actually happen in general? and another important thing is why we are considering this particular option. what if we are told that the allies will allow such an option to be implemented or not? the territories of the baltic countries during the time of occupation and this is much more than ten years, it is not ten years, they stayed there, they simply did not receive the citizenship of the restored country, which option do you imagine as more realistic if you imagine a realistic option eviction of 800,000 people, how will it take place? it should be noted that

since the fall, the representative office has been engaged in the development of the first steps after the de-occupation, which was attended by both international and national experts , as well as the central bodies of the executive power, and visas were worked out based on world and european practice with the aim, including not to violate existing international norms and norms, and to prevent the further filing of a large number of lawsuits against ukraine, which is considered as such. it should be noted in this case firstly, that the citizens of the russian federation who illegally, especially illegally, traveled to the territory of ukraine after 2014 will be deported. first, dynamo will have the opportunity to return legally in compliance with the legislation of ukraine. at the same time, we understand that collective eviction is a violation. a mechanism is being worked out so that the specified eviction takes place precisely in compliance with international norms, that is, each case will be considered individually, we understand

the complexity of this issue at the same time, we we are aware that a large number of russian citizens were involved in war crimes on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, therefore a large number will leave it even after the deoccupation of the crimean peninsula begins. and state bodies, as well as experts from among the citizens of ukraine. how much do you hope that the international community will not force ukraine to find some political options for solving the crimean problem after the offensive well, we only see that there are such attempts, and this is primarily used by the russian federation using its influence, which they still have both in the territory

of the european union and in the united states , as he in the information in particular, we notice that the scientific circles they still continue and the european scientists themselves recognize that the influence of the russian federation remains large, they are trying to rearrange their work and realize that the history of ukraine and the politics of ukraine are separate and do not intersect with the russian federation, it is a separate policy and a separate state. unfortunately, this realization came to european scholars of european politics very late, precisely after the full-scale invasion. therefore, now , including the black sea security forum was called in order to demonstrate that without the liberation of crimea and the return to ukraine, the further security situation will be impossible to be stable and not only for ukraine, not only for the black sea region but also for the european union and the world as a whole, that is why we notice that russia continues

to impose its narratives about the need for an agreement, including threatening with nuclear weapons and military strikes on military bases on the territory of poland where weapons are stored for transportation in ukraine, but this is more of an informational and non-formational component than real actions that russia is capable of at the moment. if we talk about the crimean bridge, they are discussing the possibility of its dismantling, how realistic is this solution? in general, is it necessary to dismantle it, if we imagine the possibility of its use there, let’s say for some military-strategic purposes, do we not need it in principle, as we note that we are vacating our territories as of 1991, as of 1991, this is only a territory crimea of ​​the crimean peninsula, as for the crimean bridge, here and ee from it should be noted several factors, first

of all, that all civilian objects such as the crimean bridge and the tauride highway were built by the russian federation , after all, with a view to the military component that is, at the moment, all these objects are used exclusively primarily for the military component for logistical needs, so we understand that its dismantling is a necessity to reduce the incentives of russia to return to its intentions, then regarding the seizure of crimea, the second is that the dismantling of the crimean peninsula will carried out by the crimean russian federation itself, since it built them legally. it does not comply with ukrainian norms, nor with international norms; in addition , it poses a threat to shipping on the territory of the kerch strait, since and well, it has been scientifically proven that its duration and safety is questionable and under any circumstances it cannot collapse , it may not be a year or two, but it is not the 50 years as noted by the russian federation; in addition

, it poses a threat to flora and fauna in on the mentioned continent, even now the representatives of the russian federation note a large number of losses precisely for fishing , i.e. kerch, kerch, and novorossian fishing enterprises are closing . breed fish that existed in this area, if we are talking about your expectations from a counter-offensive, as we are approaching the end of our broadcast, you hope that it is this counter-offensive that will create military opportunities for the further liberation of crimea. the cities of kherson and the right bank of the kherson region , the potential for resistance in the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea has increased, as noted by the coordinates of the resistance movements and as noted by

the ministry of defense and the southern command of the armed forces of ukraine that there is a potential for resistance to occur when approaching the temporarily occupied crimea, while this resistance will not only be for the creation of all kinds of visual artistic e-e manifestations in the cities of crimea on the crimean peninsula that demonstrate belonging to ukraine, but also to more active and radical actions, this is exactly what the occupation administration is afraid of, in connection with which one of the reasons for the ban on the first and ninth of may is that they are already unsure that the occupation administration about the fact that places of compact concentration of people on the territory of the crimean peninsula cannot be used for more radical actions , that is, they are already afraid of their citizens who live in the crimean peninsula and are not sure of stability and that all citizens cannot take such mass measures to move into more radical and opposition to the occupation administration, in addition , the distribution of land, which is taking place for the participants of the so-called special military

operation, primarily on the crimean peninsula, is distributed to the employees of amon and to the russian guard, how does the occupation administration demonstrate its loyalty, precisely with the aim of developing the guardia and omon in the future to protect them from the residents of crimea who will resist, including possibly even before the armed forces of the occupied peninsula approach the falcons of the occupied peninsula, thank you, thank you, mr. denisa, deputy denis chistyakov the permanent representative of the president of ukraine in the autonomous republic of crimea was in touch with us on this broadcast. we talked about how the situation on the occupied peninsula will develop in as a result of the ukrainian contrast, according to which there are legal

mechanisms for regulating the further fate of crimea , very important topics for the future of our development, the situation with the deoccupation of ukrainian lands. have an extraordinary day, please anzhelika. thank you vitaly for a few moments about how ukraine celebrated easter and, unfortunately, pro-russian shelling, even on this bright day , continue 417 days of heroic confrontation of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, news on espresso in the studio, angelika works for the season, there are even more victims of the russian attack on slavyansk , a whole woman was recovered from zavaliv, you already know about the 13 dead, 22 civilians were injured , the emergency services were notified by search and rescue work continues according to the police. there may