[000:00:00;00] but if we put it this way. imagine yourself in the place of putin's advisers, it is logical not to stop the war, but to put the war on hold in order to accumulate strength in order to try to destabilize the west . we see more and more disaffected people in the west, primarily the united states in the states, in connection with this leak of information , one part of the republicans says that this little guy, so this fascist is actually a traitor to the american people, because he betrayed , first of all, his oath, and it is not a question of what he informed the world about some lies of the biden administration regarding the war in ukraine, there were also many other things that are a blow to the development community of the united states. well, we saw the greens there too, which means honey and some others. i am not talking about such reclarsen, they started

this kind of propaganda that he is an empty patriot , in general, he should be released from responsibility , he just shows how wrong the administration is, that is, in principle, russians understand that by supporting such standards , it is possible to split society, it is possible to split we saw the support in the congress. the last time there was a vote of 40 billion. dozens in the house of representatives and a few in the senate, they voted against the allocation, and we see that americans are not ready to spend a lot of money. it seems to me that the last polls were that if another 10 billion is allocated for the next year, then more than half of the republicans there are ready to vote for it, but if there are 15, then it is already less than 40%, that is, there is fatigue, this propaganda is working and the same in europe. well, we see these signals macron, he actually destroys the transatlantic unity on the issue of china, although in fact it is not particularly with more

, yes, they demand and we are grateful to france for what they give, but this is definitely not a responsible policy on the european continent, since ukraine is, apparently, riza where he should participate and he said that we don't want to be drawn into america's wars, not our crises, that's why there are , let's say, hints, and it seems to me that putin believes that there is an opportunity to change seats. europeans, yes, in france, where stabilization is certain. of course, there are negative consequences , and we see sanctions and the increase in the price of energy carriers, and in the west, in general, they have understood this chasm that has not been bridged with the global cock, and something must be done about it. they support the russian federation more. here and that's exactly why there is a problem. i'm not talking about what why are our enemies even speculating about what? and those representatives of political realism to you

in the united states who say, well, ukraine is fundamental for us, and let's focus on containment of china so actually we will send weapons and money and all our resources there actually such arguments they will play more eh let's say so our role and i think putin actually hopes that we can still push a little to show the will where the resistance is the will to before that that he is not going to do anything. well, let's see. well, it will definitely all depend on the success of the first successes, even the small tactical successes of our countermeasures. if it goes like clockwork , all these skeptics will immediately shut up because , for example, you have seen the elements of these intelligence officers who were quite skeptical about the possibility of ukraine liberating all the territories or many of them, this is just as conservative and probably, well, i hope , erroneous assessments as there were before the invasion, which led to the fact that they began to help us and

huddle together too late. this is also happening right now, that is, it is difficult to say based on the amount of aid that we manage to get that the west has finally decided that we will win. by the way, i was at the conference in bucharest, but it literally came back to me too i liked it, well, in what sense? i just heard through the language, i heard the position of germany, and the german representative said such a thing that peace will come in europe and in ukraine when russia withdraws its troops from ukraine. that is, it is such a passive pledge that something will happen and they will go somewhere, that is, he will not said that ukraine must win, russia must lose, and for that we must do whatever others say, the british said it, the romanians said it, and the germans say it. they still have the passive voice in such and such a wording. and that something must happen. what will the russians decide?

the good will to reveal and leave at least part of our territories, let's talk about the draining of data by this national government, it is alleged that he is currently suspected of being jack and a teixeira as such a precedent. it could happen because he leaked this data allegedly since 2021, it didn't happen now , it also happened because of that computer computer games through youtube through such open platforms where it could be noticed well, as far as i know , he actually posted in a closed folder in a closed chat and by the way, it is very strange that among those who had access, he actually knows this is narcissism and such. hmm. well, he probably lacked some kind of respect from other people, he wanted to sulk . thus, since it is clear that he is not a speech blower , that is, he was not interested in the fact that this information attracted attention and something changed in the state politics of the united states, otherwise he would have done as colonel winman did and he actually caused the impeachment of trump there. therefore, it was most likely

a clinical case of this kind. information that he had access to it well, i can imagine how many different american military have access to such of course this is harmful information, but i would not say that it is such well, for example , the evaluation of the plans here and in fact there are no attack scenarios well, how will we the most important thing is to carry out a counteroffensive there - it is actually the placement of forces and means, it is a loss on the ukrainian side. because ukraine, well, in principle, it is correct, it does not announce the real losses, and it is clear that they are large but it is clear why we cannot, cannot do this until the war is actually over. that is why this is such a special case, i hope that they will draw conclusions and block access to all kinds of people who, by and large , he was not the kind of

decision-maker and probably he is not it was necessary to have access to such information , but on the other hand, well, the world is arranged in such a way that it happens all the time, there were other interesting things. yes, there was eavesdropping, well, more precisely, it was actually spying on allies, including ukraine. although i don’t see anything bad here do you remember the time when obama was president, there was a scandal about merkel being listened to, but now what we know is that in the 23rd year merkel's position there and the nord stream and other things and by and large the lies she is now spreading that she wanted to give time with these minsk agreements, to give ukraine time to prepare for the invasion of russia , in fact nothing like this happened, because otherwise we would have had weapons, and you remember very well that the democratic government led by the e-e, more precisely, the coalition social democrats, and offsholtz was the first to start supplying us with defense weapons, then you will now

reach tanks, but you can choose here . trusted, believed that we were not capable of systemically aging, and overestimated russian influences. well, that is exactly why our leadership was skeptical. i think that it is absolutely normal such a natural reaction, so of course certain things must remain in us. which we cannot tell even to our closest partners , unfortunately, they are not our allies yet, yes, that is, they are strategic partners. i am grateful for all the help. but we are not members of nato, we do not have a special security treaty . therefore, we have to be careful about our national interests, they may sometimes not coincide even with the american ones. thank you, mr. oleksandr khare, an expert of the defense strategy center on foreign and security policy. and now our conversation is with

the deputy editor-in-chief it's ukrainian week, but she doesn't congratulate lazarev in paris . we congratulate you, we don't hear you well. security guarantee to china, but how far can they go? what do you think? well, it's difficult to guess like that on the coffee grounds. because, after all, they don't allow us to see a list of specific , let's say, screenshots of these conversations, or here are some scripts, but in general, if we proceed from the logic of franco-ukrainian relations, we can say that macron is somehow trying to sit on all the chairs at once, that is , he wants to appear in the eyes of ukraine as a reliable partner, and he really wants to be a negotiator. he hopes

that these negotiations can be organized quite quickly and uh then france will be one of the key mediators uh and later after he thinks peace will be restored france can be one of the most powerful countries that will invest in the rebuilding of ukraine, that is, he looks at it from this point of view. he probably doesn't really want it himself. well, let's somehow tell ourselves to admit that it's obvious that this war will drag on so that it will last a long time. and that on the one hand, he always says that only ukraine will determine when it wants to start to negotiate with his aggressor, and no one else can interfere at all. but nevertheless, he still remains in all these positions that it is necessary to somehow try to talk with putin again. where it is necessary to behave in such a way that

he should greet him and not sit down at the negotiating table, i.e. he for some reason wants to believe that it is alleged that the last negotiations today are possible with moscow, i.e. that it is about real negotiations and not about concessions to the dictates of the aggressor, it may be that they somehow have more flexibility there well, i guess again, it is very difficult to state something for sure, but if you follow the logic, then it turns out like this, but he just after a visit to china, where he went absolutely we saw a cross-section with the position of the european union and when ursula funderlein is left in beijing it seems yes, he is going to guangzhou, everyone is dengping with such a reception, which even the other leaders of the state are not comfortable with, and it is obvious that when a village woman from fundal says that there is an unequivocal position with regard to the taiwanese, and he begins to waver to shake this position, he

begins to go to the other side regarding ukraine is the same well, maybe he spoke to zelensky about what was agreed upon in the sisin, i don’t think that he agreed on anything with this because he wanted to agree, that’s for sure but did he agree on at least that according to french sources, it doesn't look like that, but he wanted to please everyone , especially china, in the sense that he tried to play on these anti-american sentiments, which are traditionally and historically quite widespread in french society and since china is in the states in rather such conflictual relations , it obviously somehow wanted to appear as such a negotiator independent of the americans , that is, again, you know, it is such a longing for the lost diplomatic greatness that once in

the 19th century, the french language was considered the language diplomacy. we are already in the 21st century, but certain categories of french people are confident in the part of the french elite. i would really like to return to the days when france was the queen of diplomacy. and that's why these are attempts to play some kind of separate role, some kind of first violin , to come out to some positions where the french will be listened to more than any other state in diplomatic terms, for example at the level of the european union well, i don't think that he will get anything out of it , unfortunately, he is not very skilled in all this , that is, uh, somehow he is similar to him such a line, then he begins to point out that we are with ukraine to victory and that ukraine has the right to win and that's where the weapons are coming, then he runs again and in the completely opposite direction , then it's obvious that he has to say something very quickly, very pro-ukrainian, i understand that because he is all - after all, he behaved not quite ambiguously in china and caused a lot of criticism , absolutely deservedly so, that is, he will probably

try to balance something like that in the near future or declare or give some supplies or something else, but this certainly does not allow him restore the political influence that he hopes to gain well, and then you have to understand one more thing, this is the internal political context, and anti-macron sentiments are growing very strongly in france, and also, well, the greatest positional power is the extreme right, they are constantly increasing their system support, and since this anti-americanism is very common among them, he obviously wanted to do something that they would like , that is, to say something that, in principle, hm, is more of a political territory than your opponent , somehow try to intercept his support it is also this internal context of his trash that you should always keep in mind if

we are analyzing french diplomacy. and the fact that macron will not be able to be elected for a third term. here, after all, no one will rewrite the constitution under him, and he he is still a young politician, he obviously has ambitions of some kind, he might be able to replace you as a shooter or some european career might be of interest to him, so he may be preparing his political future in such a way, somewhere in such a european diplomatic direction, it is not necessary either, well at least to throw off the scales it is for this she is very much towards china somehow it seems not very logical to me is this is this normal you are against the principles of the allies after all for the usa the question of taiwan it is such a cornerstone and he went against independence - it is a matter of ability not an act this is a question such a power is there in independence, such and such applications, this is again the naked line, which everyone says that every french president

tries on himself, let's say, de gaulle's suit , and in which he still hasn't fit of the series, he also wants to declare himself worthy of the legacy of the whole country, and since de gaulle somehow managed to take half of france out of nato and leave half of it there, he , too, can establish some kind of distance with america that will allow the partnership to remain and to have some kind of independence, that is , here are all of his strategic european independence. european autonomy in security matters. that is, it is not a new topic for him, it is also one that he likes, it is perceived by the french political elite, so we can say that this idea is supported by macron's opponents, i know marine lippen or melancholy,

anti-american sentiments yes, and the base is general, but the public opinion is also , unfortunately, as annemarie husar very aptly said in one of the interviews - this is such a french economist , quite well-known. we don't love the americans because they liberated us because they turned out to be stronger than us and did what we were not able to do ourselves, this is such an obvious french complex, which is very widespread in relation to the pension reform , let's talk more, because it caused protests. as a result, macron already signed the pension reform, but the protests continued. and i understand that on may 1 , there are already ideas of trade unions to continue these actions, but

payalo, this affects macron's rating even now we see that marie le pen is gaining momentum, it is purely because of this factor, when the government loses its rating, the opposition gains, well, in fact, what position is this, you also know, this is a country that is very difficult to reform because they have a habit of going out into the streets by the millions and blocking almost every reform, but since macron will not be re-elected for a third presidential term, he has nothing to lose in principle, and he still decided to do it because it is economically justified in this country , the life expectancy is very high, and there is a generation that, for example, already on pensions, grandparents are still alive, and soon the third generation should retire there, that is, a very large number of pensioners who need to be kept at a fairly high level, here, let's say , pensions are quite high, and those who squeeze it all have to earn, that is, all of them money cannot just

materialize out of thin air, and reform must be done. and in other european countries , the french will now retire at 64 , but other countries retire at 65 and 67. well, they do, that is, because the economic situation before that prompts uh and then he just decided to go to the bank because he has this opportunity and he doesn't have the next presidential election on his nose, that's right. well, i'm the street, it's undeniable , and the extreme left is more extreme. miles is more melanchot, this shakes everything up. boat, well, the right is also part of it, they are preparing to go on may 1st, they are hoping for a mass demonstration , to bring people out in order to try to go to the referendum, they want the constitutional council to allow a referendum on the topic of pension reform. well, for now that it is unknown what they have we will see if it will work or not, but they failed to pass such a plan through the parliament, that is, the parliament, even though it blocked the reform

, but macron found a way to bypass it, well , the absence of a parliamentary parliamentary vote, he signed there because of a certain quorum , a mechanism provided for by the constitution, and constitutional the council also approved this reform and now they are hoping for this referendum. well, we will see if it will be possible to insist on the referendum. we will see. thank you. our next interlocutor, you are the interlocutor on easter, oleksandr drabynka, metropolitan of the orthodox church of ukraine, we congratulate you, lord, we congratulate you, glory be to jesus christ, and we can already say that christ is risen, we can already greet him in the same way tomorrow as in the kiev-pechersk lavra. it will be interesting to hold two parallel services

, as stated, because and the orthodox church of ukraine will conduct its own and onufry with the moscow patriarchate are also planning how do you all look at this situation that they have no right to be there but continue the fact is that the liturgy will be performed at the assumption cathedral by the orthodox church of ukraine, and it will be performed by father avraami, who joined the local ukrainian orthodox church, while performing the duties of the vicar of the holy assumption kyiv-pechersk lavra of the men's monastery of the orthodox church of ukraine and was appointed acting vicar by the holy synod, the service will take place in the morning, in my opinion, at 9:00 a.m. in the dormition cathedral. and i understand that metropolitan onufriy will perform the service

in the church of venerable agapit of pecherskyi, in which the services are now held, this room was already an infectious disease hospital in which the church is located, that is, i understand that they will not cross paths, as long as they are lawfully present, and with the head of the ukrainian orthodox church , metropolitan manufry of the service in the lavra in that church well, here i can no longer answer, this should be decided by the law enforcement agencies , probably if by today this issue has already been resolved, does he have a right or no right, i find it difficult to answer this question, but how can this situation be resolved? you see that now the uoc mp is using the easter days to demonstrate its capabilities. well, i think that the service will be completed. here i am. it seems to me that they are going there now while they live until the trials are completed and the final verdicts will be issued. as they say, the final verdicts then the last point will be put on and until then, i understand that there is an opportunity to

worship there , well, a demonstration of strength, well, a demonstration of strength. well, this is your time, as the wise solomon said, everything passes and it will pass, it will fall into place. i think that time heals wounds and gives people the opportunity for spiritual insight. this year of war opened the eyes of many to what really there is the moscow patriarchate in ukraine and whose representatives we still see a sufficient number of e-e collaborators and people with citizenship and passports of the russian federation who are in the direct leadership of this religious organization, i.e. the same mass media are bringing to the consciousness of our compatriots what the moscow

patriarchate really is and what poison it is killing in our spiritual hearts. the heat is not so much now, but what the parishioners of the moscow patriarchate are writing to me personally after we tell them what the moscow patriarchate really is, that we are sinners, well, i am a sinner and so on , a non-believer and i need to repent. well, you understand, these people are like sectarians , in fact, i wonder if you are still very beautiful they write in relation to the fact that they have been writing to me for four years now with such a selection as they say in a word as how they slandered me and they slandered me again, is it worth looking for it? yes, we each do our job. i hope that you treat these people who are

this is how most of them behave, after all, with certain evils of the psyche, which , unfortunately, were broken precisely by the representatives of the leadership of the moscow patriarchate. nothing to take similar rhetoric and similar, as they say, spiritual practices. so you can say that today it is a certain kind of sect . you can’t say that about everyone, but you can talk about a certain number of adepts. i would say that to the moscow patriarchate in ukraine . that's how they behave well, what should you do, your view is very interesting, or time will pass and they are somehow you, i don't know how to call it correctly, they will recover, they will come to the church of the orthodox church of ukraine is it possible that somehow we should work more on this, will you

tell us how to do it well, apart from that we must work. of course, no one but time will heal, and god's grace cannot be here otherwise. as they say, more faithfully to the holy scriptures, the lord says that this kind is expelled by fasting and prayer, that is, by our humility and our desire for them to change . i am always in such cases when answering similar questions that you are now asking, i always cite the example of the communist party of ukraine , which was a major faction in our verkhovna rada, and until recently, symonenko also had such otaku the influence of the political power that we got rid of and banned the communist party literally only 10-15 years ago. until then, it still lived in our state organization, despite the fact that ukraine

has been an independent state for 20 years could get rid of these vestiges of the council, and they were until the generation changed to a certain extent . i understand that, well, probably. the same situation will be the same in our church life . and in the qualities of patience for the time being endure but do your own thing, do you think about this story with the russian citizenship of metropolitan onufriy and other hierarchs of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate, the story is quite simple. he was the rapist of the trinity sergius lavra and in the 90th year it seems that he came to ukraine while there 17 it seems years to sergiu lavra , however, to citizens born in the soviet union, russia considers them to be citizens of russia and upon birth in the soviet union

gives citizenship, passports of russia, and well, he probably that was the need at that time to have this passport to what extent he used it or did not use it and how he himself relates to this citizenship. it is difficult for me to say exactly how much metropolitan onufria you know. he is from bukovyna bukovyna only in the 45th year after the post-war period we will join the ukraine , that is, he was a native of ukraine or not of ukraine, that is, the same can be said about the same metropolitan antony popakanych , also western transcarpathia joined ukraine already after the war, that is, it is necessary here to understand about the roots themselves, as far as it is in the heart. in a ukrainian person, it is not possible to say by itself who is a bigger ukrainian or a smaller ukrainian, it would not be genetic, but we still have to be clearly

aware that it is either there or not, you know you know, you know, vladyka, er, actually, er, the russian federation declared as its citizens all persons who lived on its territory on a permanent basis for 24, in fact, on december 1, 1991, there you need to look at the date, the date when it declared itself independent by the state, if the metropolitan came to bukovyna in 1990, he had to specially apply in order to obtain russian citizenship , so he says that he received citizenship because he was registered at the time of the trinity of energy in the trinity serhiy velam, and that is, he did not change his place of residence i believe it, but on the other hand, he had six months to renounce that citizenship , if he was going to live in ukraine in the future , he didn’t do it, then the logic in this is that he didn’t do it. either he didn’t renounce it or he applied

according to the passport, both of these actions are strange for a person who was going to live in ukraine for the rest of his life. to be honest, i agree now . i think it is necessary to talk to mr. metropolitan onufry. what were his motives for giving some description from the side? what do you think of the metropolitan himself? how many people in the hierarchy of the uoc of the moscow patriarchate have passports of the russian federation. let's rephrase this opinion . in the 1990s, i think that they have, we had citizenship, passports of the russian federation, and what percentage is, of course, it is difficult to answer. i think that the migration service should answer this question. you are very careful in the metropolitan area, we understand your caution, but in fact , at least dual citizenship is prohibited in ukraine and he and everyone else had to