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on the word yura. my name is serhii rudenko . good day and good health to all. today , april 17, 418 is the day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders . russia continues to use terror tactics. the number of strikes throughout the territory of ukraine remains high, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine stated that during the past day , the russian occupiers launched 25 missile strikes from the s-300 anti-aircraft missiles on the peaceful cities of zaporizhia , kamyshuvakha, zaporizhia region, and snigurivka , mykolaiv oblast, meanwhile, a counteroffensive by the armed forces of ukraine is expected on april 30 about it passes the nose year with reference to documents leaked by the pentagon slovakia handed

over 13 promised mig-29 fighters to ukraine , the defense minister of slovakia said , meanwhile, the occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of april 17, russia has already lost 182.66 people in ukraine in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 590 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,6660 tanks, 787 armored combat vehicles , 2,804 artillery systems 538 rocket salvo systems 200 he 85 air defense means 308 aircraft 293 helicopters 5672 units of motor vehicles 18 boats boats 911 cruise missiles 2347 drones 328 units of special

equipment will the third world war save putin prigozhyn chases the antlers well, russia continues terror - these are the main topics of today's program, for an hour we will talk about what is happening in ukraine to the world , especially on the russian-ukrainian front , i want to introduce today's first guest of ours, this is the people's deputy of ukraine , the former head of the security service of ukraine valentyn nalyvaichenko p valentine good day good health to you thank you for joining our program christ is risen i congratulate you truly he is risen let's start with the pentagon leak because today is another the date appeared counteroffensive in the armed forces of ukraine, not everyone reported that on april 30 a major counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine will begin, but given your experience of working in the special services , what do you think is the leakage of information under control, what we are observing during

the last two weeks regarding the publication of secret documents after all, this is an informational and psychological special operation , the purpose of which is to convey information to russia, to the partners of the united states of america, and to china, that everyone knows everything, that it is still necessary to pay attention to this knowledge, er, those that are in superpowers and which are becoming the property of the public in the world, in my estimation, this was actually an attempt by the russian special services through recruitment through agents among technically american military personnel to gain access to the document exchange network of the us department of defense, the pentagon, this is the first, the second - one of these agents is already detained by the u.s. federal bureau of investigation and by the second i understand that this is mrs. the woman has now left

the fbi of the united states because it was she who was only this person, the woman was one of where were the telegram channels located, the possible files of the folders were removed from the technical information exchange network, the pentagon, the pentagon, that is, the ministry of defense, taisher was detained, as we all now know, the american press writes about it quite widely, he served at one of the national guard facilities in a rather remote state massachusets, but i think that the most important thing is that now one of the serious versions of the fbi in the usa is that among them these people of the american military and ex-military were recruited by the russian special services by one of these recruiters the suspect, an elderly man, is already in the development of the us fbi and in the near future

, i think we will learn more information and more . recruited, who assigned the task, how long was this activity carried out by him and possibly others involved in the removal of information from the communication channels with the technical system of the pentagon of the us department of defense beer repetition such a situation in any other special service, including the ukrainian one, or well, this is the principle when everyone works there in his area and sees only his own sector, for which he is responsible either in the security service of ukraine or in the main intelligence office, because well, yes it seems that an officer of the air force of the united states of america had access to documents to which he should not have access. well, in fact, he, this american military officer, was just a technical employee who was supposed to service and

maintain this system, so a certain technical he had access but i want to emphasize to mr. sergey that he was just as important as a link as an agent, so i think that he was recruited for access, moreover, and the materials that, even technically, were removed. they were definitely not the same and not as they appeared later after processing falsification and so on from the russian special services already in social media , it is very important to understand the moment even when the russian special services or other foreign special services steal important documents , then it is clear that their use is to their advantage, well, one of the examples where they were pierced the russian special services are where they began to repeatedly mention in the so-called documents to reduce the losses of the russian army of russian soldiers and mercenaries. they began to write some thousands, but in fact , you are now absolutely firmly on the air

, correctly reporting almost 200,000 e-e killed and e-mortally wounded and military servicemen and mercenaries and other criminals criminals of the russian federation this is why they were so important access to e-e technical system is not so important what and how many stolen by the russian special services, how important is it that they falsified it, now they pass it off as documents, i think i trust what is published, especially regarding the war of russia against ukraine, especially with regard to information about the russian e-e units, losses and so on, it is not worth it, false information has already been steamed under falsified under shuffle if you want well, meanwhile, russian propagandists are just howling about these documents that have been made public on the internet by solovyov and other propagandists. solovyov assures

that in the united states of america there is a deep system crisis, let's see how it happens, this is nobody and he has access to your mothers, from which the boys in america start playing at 21 hours, this shows how much everything flows there , this shows how ugly the system of blocking information, distribution of information works, and also it shows the level of people, but there is they work so much with the security of all information. i don't think that the people who analyze this information are intellectually much superior to those who are responsible for preserving it, that is, of course. here is the appearance this is the type of document that sits in the deep system of the crisis. if mr. valentina returns to these documents

that were made public, one of them testified that china secretly tried or promised to supply the kremlin with lethal weapons, and of course the chinese had to react and deny this information. of course, i mean the chinese just don't do anything, and what's more , they have never been denied. waiting or let's say in the observation mode when this war will have a draw and in these same documents there is also information that a stalemate for both sides is the most likely scenario of the war, well, at least that's the case. if you believe the documents that were made public, this is what american intelligence believes watching this, don't

you have the feeling that this is one of the elements , or let's say, the publicizing of these documents , to push both sides to some kind of peace negotiations, because if there is no prospect of what one of the parties will win or will win, according to these documents, it is necessary to sit down at the negotiating table and agree on something, the references or analytical conclusions that are in question about china, which you have now cited, are actually open sources of chinese mass media, you can read them completely i even have in the translation that the alleged chinese special services, for their alleged leadership , evaluate the course of the war as such that none of the sides, neither we, nor russia, will get a final victory, this is in the chinese sources, even mass information, but here it is important to understand another thing, that

in those documents that were allegedly merged, i repeat, in my opinion, there is a lot now already from the russian special services that has been steamrolled and falsified in their favor, and therefore such throws that you can see that even china is allegedly evaluating and collecting or is supplying weapons or is going to supply weapons , this is not true, russia really wants this and even the last example, here you are now on the screen when it seems like yesterday, putin, even during the uh , it seemed like a holiday, he still met with the minister of defense of china with only one goal, only in order to do everything on the part of russia, in order to at least in some way involve china in joint military exercises in the south china sea, apply for some joint military activities, you know, rattle weapons around sakhalin and e.e. vladivostok just to show that

russia has at least one military ally , you know all this, it’s more like how putin always makes such a bluff and such ostentatious measures in order to show his power and allegedly what kind of allies does he actually have for the american intelligence services, which ones for the american government? and by the way , not only for america and japan. other third countries because the most alarming concern was at the beginning of the year the possible plans of china and russia to use north korea as such a transit country to supply, first of all, artillery shells and shells for russian hail in order to they then appeared here and killed ukrainians, so far these schemes have not worked

, they are blocked by our allies, but the plans of russia, i think have not changed, they will desperately look for opportunities to get some kind of military military-technical assistance from china or from others of countries, mr. valentine, did you mention the minister of defense of china, lei shanfu, who was in moscow yesterday for easter, and putin met with him, and putin , at the same time, the minister of defense? cooperation with china is very good, especially on the line of military departments, we will hear what putin

said . well, you arrived in russia after the visit to our country of our great friend, the chairman of the chinese people's republic of china , comrade of the seat. cooperation along the lines of the military departments in between our strange e-e all directions is very good for the development of relations in the economic , social, cultural, and educational branches . well, and along the lines of the military departments against this background there were large exercises of the pacific region and the russian flotilla located there, today putin met with shoigu and shoigu reported to him about the course of these military exercises and putin said that the russian fleet can be used, i quote , in conflicts in any directions

, let's see this fragment is obvious to us what is not today ? but flotov’s task , including uh, in the pacific theater, no one did not change it, did not shoot it and therefore i ask you to definitely continue this work and pay attention even to the development and preparation for the event on the second lots by the way, the ambassador of ukraine to japan serhii korsunskyi stated that the japanese, i quote, find it funny to look at these outdated pots that they call the fleet, well, they mean the russian fleet. but don't you have a feeling, valentin, that russia is trying

to create all the prerequisites for another conflict in the pacific ocean, japan, china taiwan, south korea, north korea, in order to divert all threats and the world's attention away from him, because he is now the main criminal, in the event that a military conflict unfolds in those conditions in the ocean, then of course all attention will be focused on this region. i agree with with you, russia has long dreamed of aggression against ukraine almost from the beginning, so that the conflict in the south china sea around taiwan would begin, and especially so that china would be drawn in and begin to resolve at least one dispute in a military way, and there are hundreds of these in south asia, asia disputes, especially territorial disputes, and now it is very important to understand why putin, for example, by calling him well, it is clear that it is not

for the same propaganda picture, we would not believe it, we understand the main thing that was behind this picture, in fact it turned out that in the pacific fleet of the russian federation , marines and others personnel was destroyed by our armed forces of ukraine here on the eastern and southern fronts in ukraine and there is now an acute shortage of military personnel over those of the soviet fruit of russia, this is number one. that is why putin is so nervous, lowering his eyes and asking about something there that i just deciphered for you who really happened what problems did this er inspection of those christian fleets and these exercises on full combat readiness during the last two years dick e there in the far east this is the second time you need to understand that today and in the north sweden and other more than 10 allied countries and in the far east japan, the united states

and other allied countries are conducting deliberate international large-scale anti-missile exercises around the russian borders the whole world the entire anti-putin coalition is demonstrating today with military means and military exercises, no missile and no missile blackmail will pass through russia. this is what is really happening and this is why putin and the entire military-political leadership of russia are so nervous these days, because these are the days when putin's coalition shows its means of deterrence. and international training, and most importantly, completely destroys the main myth about some kind of missile threat that russia is trying to intimidate the whole world for us. by the way, you mentioned the ambassador of ukraine to japan , serhiy torchynskyi, i agree with what for us now an extremely important political and military-political ally, japan is a country that, by the way, is one of the most powerful

in the big seven, we know that at the highest level , the big seven are meeting literally a month ago, it is very important to us that the entire big seven be introduced there continued to support ukraine, and now with japan, ukraine really has very important partnership relations, and it seems that on march 21 this year , the prime minister of japan was already here in kyiv, and ukraine signed a very important statement on global the partnership is serious with the japanese, and this partnership is financial, and i repeat, defense, humanitarian, and economic, and it is an important ally there in the far east, and that is why. by the way, there is another reason why russia is so nervous. i remind you that the northern territories russia calls the kuril islands are actually occupied the russian federation and russia understand that ukraine causes huge losses and weakens the russian army here, and at the same time it weakens russia

. it is clear that in the far east there is also a weakening and, you know, such nervousness. the weakening of russia raises huge questions for those countries that have territorial claims against the russian federation, where the russian federation has occupied and is trying to hold temporarily occupied territories in other countries. hiroshima and japan perceive these maneuvers that putin started with shigu as mutual intimidation today, april 17, the members of the anti-putin coalition south korea, the united states and america in the international waters of the sea of ​​japan, maritime missile defense exercises are taking part in these exercises, more than 60 south korean

military aircraft, including fighters f-35аf-15k tak kf and 16, as well as about 40 aircraft of the air force, including fighters f16 , attack aircraft of the corps between marines a-10 ta f-35b are not jet planes, there are fam 18 planes, well, a couple of destroyers, this south korean and american missile will replace the japanese one, they are also in the same conditions in the ocean in the area of ​​the exercises in the japanese er sea, er, were mr. valentyn’s what do you think for what is putin counting on this situation, well, that is, after all, that the match they are trying to throw in the pacific ocean, he, uh, at any moment there can start not a fire, but a big fire, and either

in taiwan or in the area of ​​the kuril islands, or it is possible in the conflict which can be renewed between north and south korea, that is, any option , i understand that escalation will be in putin's hands, or will the main light be answered to the main question that putin still has to lose in ukraine and that ukraine has already mentioned and f-16 and f-15 and f-35 would be appropriate precisely at the current stage of the war, especially before the counteroffensive or to strengthen the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine on the territory of ukraine in order to expel the russians, i will tell you that we will clearly start with what you were finishing mr. serhiy f16 is that universal or nothing fighter that ukraine desperately needs for our armed forces, and in addition to being a universal

fighter, it is the very plane that can carry air missiles in order to destroy the targets of the aggressor, its bombers, planes still on the territory of russia, from where they did it terrorist missile attacks on us by thunder - on our citizens and on our energy facilities and not only this briefly about the f16 in relation to the east, but also to japan and china and what is happening there. i think it is precisely the anti-putin coalition that shows putin first of all and warns everyone as one of the negotiators with putin that no missile attack, no missile blackmail from russia will pass, moreover, there is a complete readiness to meet any military threat from the russian federation both in the pacific ocean and in the south china

sea and in the sea of ​​japan to any part of the far east, three american destroyers came precisely for this purpose, all the best air forces of japan and south korea and the united states and other countries were involved, and i will tell you. yes, it may be interesting for ours that one f-35 - this is already the fifth generation fighter destroys half of the russian fleet two such planes and in fact the two of them take off enough to make the russian pacific fleet cease to exist altogether this is why russia is shaking so much i have already mentioned the problem that in fact they suffered huge losses because they lost the marines of the pacific fleet by throwing cannon fodder at the front here in ukraine against us, this is what is actually happening behind the scenes of these uh ostentatious videos of putin with the chinese minister of defense and then

putin with the russian minister of aggression and why according to you, valentin, if the west has such capabilities, and it is enough , well, serious enough to destroy the black sea fleet of the russian federation, it would probably be enough for a day or half a day for that this fleet does not exist at all, about 70 ships are located in the waters of the black sea in the area of ​​novorossiysk, they took these ships away, or why do you think the west holds back or is restrained in helping the ukrainians so that russia does not receive a complete defeat on the southern and eastern fronts in ukraine i think we were talking about the pacific fleet if we move to the black sea fleet here the situation is completely different in the black sea as you know there is no presence of the american fleet at the moment it is in

the mediterranean sea and now turkey first russia's aggression against us has closed the straits. in fact, only the turkish fleet remains in the black sea, and it is not so large , and in fact the largest number of hai and concern cans , but remains afloat in the russian federation. this black sea fleet has generally lost any serious strategic threat to other countries, so it threatens us . but in order to remove this threat, we clearly say here to our international partners and day and nick and i take an active part in this. we need universal fighter jets with missiles to destroy the last ones and prevent the russian navy from deploying its launchers with the calibers of what they are doing

. we see that there are 7 boats, they deployed three of them with calibers on board, yes. these are the ones that carry calibers to destroy them and deter them. this is exactly why we need modern fighters such as the f-16, but even with the mig-29 received from slovakia, i think what the situation will gradually improve, it means that the russian federation will continue to withdraw its black sea fleet from the possible impression that it is already a fighter , perhaps with migs, but for this we need not only mig-29, but also special weapons and missiles under the wings so that these fighters can be equipped for the defense of ukraine and to repel possible russian missiles , against the background of the preparation of the armed forces of ukraine for a counteroffensive, the five countries of the big seven agreed to oust russia from the international

nuclear fuel market, we know that they had and always leave an impact on nuclear fuel around the world. i remember the discussions that took place in ukraine, in particular, when the american company westinhouse, if i'm not mistaken, tried to find a market and we were in the attachment because i'd say so tame regarding nuclear fuel, the collapse of this monopoly of russia regarding international nuclear fuel, how will it affect russia and does the west still expect that this russian empire will collapse not through victory on the battlefield in ukraine, but through this

strong strong embrace of the world community that will bring it to bankruptcy international sanctions so that putin's russian regime first of all does not receive money neither from oil nor from gas nor from nuclear e-e energy industry it is clear that this is the number one issue in order to weaken the aggressor and in perhaps for our armed forces of ukraine, it is rather the ouster of the enemy from our territory, these are interrelated things, and this is how in the west we always defend our position of ukraine regarding changes and in the alliance e-e of nuclear energy, where the leading france really plays a role, and great britain really has to play. the united states is a serious alliance, these are serious changes , especially considering that germany has finally closed its last three nuclear power plants, that is, the russian atom is losing its last possible , well, maybe not an ally, but a partner in europe that could still restrain sanctions against the russian atom of this organization and state company i