[000:00:00;00] first of all, putin's regime did not receive money either from oil or from gas or from nuclear energy, it is clear that this is the number one issue in order to weaken the aggressor and in the country . yes, in the west, we will always defend our position of ukraine regarding changes and in the alliance e-e nuclear energy, where the leading role is really played by france and really should be played by great britain, the united states is serious, the alliance is serious changes, especially taking into account that germany has already finally closed the last three nuclear power plants, that is, the russian nuclear power plant is losing its last possible, well, maybe not an ally, but a partner in europe that could still restrain the sanctions against the russian nuclear power of this organization and

state company. i think that now the sanctions against nuclear power will be much rather introduced by the european union and the entire anti-putin coalition i will tell you why it is so important because it is not only nuclear power units as most people think it is in fact, to cut off funding for nuclear development in the interests of the russian armed forces, because it is rosatom that finances and develops and conducts all scientific and technical developments in the interests of the nuclear and space forces of the russian federation. that is why it is so important that international sanctions against the difference between the atom and the dew worked as soon as possible and sooner. and those countries that would like to continue to receive nuclear power units and satellites , respectively, and nuclear fuel for nuclear power plants and other services are for this and france, great britain and the united states created such an energy alliance

so that they could provide technology and fuel and service at a modern level to those countries that will continue to build or receive nuclear energy. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation. this there was a people's deputy of ukraine, the former head of the security service of ukraine, valentyn nalyvaichenko, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel , as well as on our social networks on facebook , in particular for those who are currently watching us on on youtube, please like this video so that it is promoted in the recommended well, subscribe to our pages and you can join our respectable club of sponsors of the sponsors of the espresso tv youtube channel, now you can see the qr-codes on the screen by clicking on which you can join this sponsor club, we will be grateful for any help and

always work for you, friends , don't forget to visit our website espresso tv, we are working for you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, the latest news from ukraine, the world, and the frontline chronicle is all on our website. well, then we are in touch with political technologist oleksiy holobutsky p. oleksiy. good day. good health to you and i am glad to see you on our tv program . good day. good day. i am also glad. it's a great day, we're talking about the devil's advocate in the russian army, about prigozhyn, prigozhyn announced a few days ago that russia should end the war with, or as he said, a special military operation and say that they have already achieved all the successes. well,

then prepare for another war yesterday beauty gave the order to send home our captured soldiers of the armed forces of ukraine, he gave the order and it happened against the background of the video of the execution of our military officer, which, according to preliminary data, was organized by members of his private military campaign. he decided to change his image to act as such a noble russian officer i would tell the white guard officer, let's see that the doctor will be seen and try to get dressed today, so that they have already left there on the territory. well, let's apply everything prepared. the soldiers are doing a favor to him today.

домой установный зроком oh damn i'm sorry, but no, not a russian officer, e. p. oleksiyovich. how do you feel about what role does he play from the point of view of political technology? can be called the only public politician in modern russia, yes, he is not a puppet that completely depends on there, well, that is, those who act supposedly who should act in the public public sphere in the political, yes, deputies , leaders of factions, on the other hand, they are nobody well, they they basically don't do anything, they just have a pound, they have a function, they depict someone systemically, the opposition, someone peter's, ah, the state duma, we see how the deliberations took place within one day, and all that is required by law is electronic summons, yes

, that is, in general, this is absolutely absolutely what should we call quasi-political institutions that do not have any weight at all and, moreover, do not have any role, and of course, on this background, when, after all, some kind of discussion is raised. because the question of war is the question of russia's readiness for this war, the question is simply appealing to the citizens as patriotic, so to speak, yes, it is not possible for the russian state to be like that only uh, well, that is , totalitarianism in russia has not reached the level when it is not even discussed at all date the very same mobilization which, so to speak , is taking place eh -e discussion and we see, for example, the same strelkov, this is such

a national patriotic a-a-a nasedal patriotic opinion, which is russian, yes, which is not completely in line with the government, with putin, with the kremlin, and it is quite popular , well, at least it is actively so well, i'll tell you what's there how much do they talk about sociology, but it is quite popular here, of course. we need some kind of alternative that is, after all, more quickly controlled, that is, the kremlin understands that this misha exists, she is dissatisfied with the entry of actions and, er, the kremlin does not see the need for the absence of public policy, the absence of er, policy at all as such, well, the government cannot explain and does not want to explain to the people what is happening in general. it does so even before the fact, but i understand that this field exists because the people who call for

great russia there are of course satisfied to the point of tears by what happens in russia and only during the war. and in general , so to speak. yes, there are different directions. well, this is where prigozhin appears in the role of such a national patriot , but with a constructive position, that is, he is very protective of everyone, the same as what the sharpshooter says only he doesn't criticize the government like that , he criticizes the ministry of defense at the most. - and unarticulate some big russia, i don't know the preservation of the russian people there, there are many different national patriots of russian ideas

. well, let's make this one beautiful. so to speak, it's boring. does he want to, whether consciously himself or with the help of some of your kremlins there, or so and so, to occupy this niche because he is god? it needs to control or at least it needs to be led during the war of modern russia in those information opportunities that are now in russia and exist in russia and the absence well here it is simply impossible not to be completely blocked altogether principles yes, because it is clear that russia will stick more, judging by the sociology that appears, even after all, they will accept it, and then another result is meant: russia will leave ukraine, they will accept it, russia will continue to continue. well, they will also accept it. but this is a more idealized part

it is much more difficult to deal with them and they are in principle tactful as there are a lot of passionarians, well, they are dangerous for the kremlin's prospects, especially when the moment comes in the future , well, let's say so. well, we don't know putin's plans, we don't know about this dead man putin, how much longer lives and so on, but someday all this will definitely end, so it is possible, in principle , and it will be connected with this war, and then it will be necessary, roughly speaking, a leader or a political force that is engaged in national-patriotic directions by the way today, have you already mentioned the opposition or, shall we say, the people who claim to take control of vladimir putin, today the moscow city court sentenced the russian opposition politician volodymyr karamurza to 25 years of imprisonment, so what

did he get this term for? for 25 years in the aggregate of sentences under three articles of the criminal code of the russian federation, seven years in the case of military fakes, three years in the case of participation in the activities of an undesirable organization, and 18 years in the case of treason. well, during the times of the soviet union, i think there were also such punishment well, at least the people who protested against the soviet union were sentenced to 25 years, we know our dissidents who had such terms, or let's say even before the shooting, they were condemned, er, this term received by volodymyr kara-murza means that uh, there are not only politicians in russia, but there are also no opposition

politicians, well, that is, any political activity in this country is simply dangerous to engage in correctly, i understand no well, of course, this is, so to speak , not a direct hint well, in principle, totalitarianism there is such a circle of types er in different periods of its formation it takes roughly speaking er that the main thing in totalitarianism is control by force , yes they have control, and force can be like in the stalinist version, but this is simply modern russia does not need and this because there is no for the collectivization of the industrialization of the soviet union, it was necessary to break the goals of some specific, yes, stalin, it was necessary to break down simply huge masses of the population, for this, millions of victims were needed, already during brezhnev's time, there was no need, there was a point, repressions were needed , but now, in this way, in principle, somewhere in

each different period, and the russian federation is located, that is, it is not necessary to mass such point repressions, the problem is that even then dissidents in the soviet union did not cause the collapse of the soviet union yes, i don’t know, there may be different relations to the bulk, but kara -morzel, well, as my father read him, so to speak, he is a really intelligent intellectual, a very highly developed person from well, i don’t like the term good russian well, first of all, he he is not russian in the second place. he is, so to speak. well, simply. from such a more global scale, i would even say so, but he has of course , people like them have no chance of ever influencing russian politics. tomorrow

he will disappear and putin will disappear, his elites everything else will lead to democratic elections, he will not get a mandate even in the moscow city council. well, it is possible that the moscow city council will get a gang. well, they have no prospects. these are politicians who can come. roughly speaking, russia will lose the war, and the war will lose globally. by nazi germany so when the occupying forces are, roughly speaking, engaged in the political system of the country for three years, then maybe in 3-4 years people like aramorzan may have prospects in russia, political prospects because we must understand that what is being destroyed is not only, well, it is not a question of putin, it is not a question of the entourage, it is a question of the whole of russian society, of everything socially

, as well as how the elite of a certain degree is degrading. uh, the russian people don't change, they just don't change at once , so uh, let's say this. what is being done in russia with terror, with seven repressions. this is absolutely, by the way , a pragmatic approach, uh, very approach, but they don't close the country. it's not necessary yet. at this stage, everyone who supports karamurza is there a chance to bring him out of russia, and they are actively doing it, in principle, precisely because karamurza will get 25 years. that is, this is the last one. well, this does not

mean that the terror will end there. - and they planted the last already iconic oppositionists , they gave them deadlines, the next ones will go already, i think that they will go from a different direction. some incriminating material against prigozhin appeared, er, now the information is not known whether it is about this or not, but er, they write about the fact that prigozhin personally gives orders for the execution of the civilian population and approves the brutality of the gulag. no, two former wagnerians were recruited from prisons, they talk about the horrors of the war . well, in the end, we understand that what is happening in ukraine is approved at the highest level. it is clear that prigozhyn is somewhere, well, in the middle

, between those who fight and those who rule in general, as a state, at the same time, we understand that the church and all these christian and such they are trying to demonstrate that they are all pious, they use it exclusively in order to campaign or show that the church is also for this special military operation dmytro medvedev, former president of the russian federation wrote yesterday that hmm light of christ's resurrection and easter week accept wish for peace i also wish our country and all our people the long-awaited peace peace after achieving the goals of the special military operation and the complete defeat of the enemy, well, what did medvedev say that we are killing everyone, but on the day of easter we wish everyone peace, but after all the volume and also an interesting fragment was how

kirill, the so-called patriarch of the russian orthodox church of the gundyaivs, enters the temple of the track bodyguards and lonely putin christ let's see how it was christ will rise christ will rise christ will rise in fact this is such a unique case in general when murderers simply replenish using the church in order to justify or at least to pretend that they are some kind of pious there and follow some kind of catalog to demand campaigns from europe to palestine, which strictly speaking were not humanitarian missions

, the church always plays the state , so to speak. i don't see any paradox here. in this regard, the russian orthodox church is more honest. yes, it is, so to speak, well, it is an instrument of the state, which has always been, in principle, this is the difference between the catholic and orthodox and byzantium. it was like that in the muscovite principality of moscow and it was like that in the polish russian empire and in the soviet union in one way or another. with all the others yes well, you know this fact, of course yes, we are a more religious state, that is

, there are more of us who believe in young people in russia. i am not talking about the muslim process that is in russia and so on. it is all about fanaticism, it is all external. yes this is better here than what i wrote sorokin's process in his works so it's impossible, it's just the truth, it's simple well , a country that, like a chameleon , constantly changes under certain circumstances, so again, there's nothing strange here. i 'm not just talking about elementary the point is that half of the people who are governed by the state, including kirill , they all started from the same service, roughly speaking, from the kdb of the soviet union, so it is clear that eh, hm, how is there in this well-known mayor, yes, in the russian state, and if there was, and if god is

, god forbid. this is a sign, so this would be all of them the embankment they show is water, of course it is mostly artificial, that's why the movement of the security guards who surround it shows what he believes, so to speak. he doesn't believe in the will of god, he believes in what, roughly speaking to save his life, not god, that's all they buy medvedev kirill , you see, i'm medvedev, i'm constantly talking about it , it seems to me that medvedev writes only for one person, so it should be perceived exclusively as a pistol genre , and in the plan here, he writes to his dear the second vladimir is in such a way that he probably cannot get access to the body constantly, as it was there 5-6 years ago , for example. so before the pandemic, at least he was like this , so they write and on and apparently in the folder

in which they put putin these statements of medvedev are on the table. putin reads and sees that medvedev participates in all processes in this way, and i support him that putin cannot say it himself, he speaks from kirill, he says general words that, in principle, do not make any sense at all absolutely today he will say one thing tomorrow he said today that we are fraternal peoples that must end the bloodshed tomorrow he will say something else and it absolutely does not matter what matters is actions and actions they depend on one person in principle and here he is really handsome for example yes he plays such a role well, in other words, there is an elite near putin who is untouchable, who is forced in

the majority, judging by this, she did not like the idea of ​​war, but it was forced on him by putin, because it depends entirely on putin, on the opportunities that he gives them. well, of course, on this phobiz there are, so to speak, those who want new ones who want to get these benefits that the old summer brings is included precisely in those who want to get it like that . maintenance of this regime and at the moment it is simply trying to politicize this niche as much as possible in order to become untouchable at least to some extent but again, this is all an illusion and we understand from the history of the russian empire and

the moscow principality that it was already it was banned in grozny and there were thunderstorms, the same one once left his position and ceased to be appointed there as a puppet instead of himself and as the king . so, let's see how it all went. all these words depend so that otherwise several treatments in ukraine and the future of many of them are green so that not only our future takes place in ukraine, but their future is also in the future of russia er-er, that is, with all options our victory is quick

, one option is a freeze, which i absolutely do not reject, the second option is , unfortunately, the option of what they can. let's put it this way well, we must remember that actually 20 years of putin's presidency is also a certain stage when putin puts everything on the map in order to win ukraine, i.e. his political career even now with freedom and his life on it mr. oleksiy, we will put an end to our conversation. thank you for the conversation. it was oleksiy holobutsky, a political technologist. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook , please like our video and subscribe to our social networks. we are on instagram, facebook, telegram, twitter , and the most up-to-date information is available on

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