[000:00:00;00] here is the new sanctions policy against the aggressor state, we are now adding to our marathon igor lytvyn, the chairman of the board of the association of the ukrainian-chinese strategic partnership, the former extraordinary and plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to china in the 99th year of 2001. glory to ukraine , igor, we congratulate you well, the shanfu forest has flown to moscow to the minister of defense of china we saw how he met with the russian dictator and everyone paid attention without a doubt that this long russian table, so to speak, was transformed into a shorter one, i.e. putin made a certain exception for the shanfu forest. well, accordingly. i would like to ask you accordingly about the consequences of this visit, what the chinese defense minister and the russian dictator might have talked about among themselves. and, of course

, why was the visit of state secretary anthony blinke postponed to see china and not igor, we will think about what we are reading and russia has problems, as they say, covering interactions and it concerns the field of school, when i was in moscow a couple of weeks ago, it was signed in addition to another great political statement of the two parties, which indicates that both sides will work together in order to bring international and

regional security to this means that the interaction of the military and i that after steps were taken to provoke the west and the once democratic world, the minister of defense arrived in order to find out what the situation really is returned to the front because it will appear , one thing will also be threatened, but a military man who came to moscow in order to find out what is really happening, what

the russian army really needs, and they they have probably already asked. greetings, despite the fact that yesterday or the day before yesterday, the minister of quidayu stated that china is not going to supply weapons to the parties to the conflict, not to mention those or expectations or fears that china will supply lethal weapons to russia, here is a clear answer, and i believe that the arrival the visit of the chinese defense minister to russia is precisely aimed at finding out the true state of affairs and then china will draw appropriate conclusions. although i will tell you that the strategic

partnership between china and ukraine is defined and russia during ukraine, too. we have a strategic partnership of 2011. it, er, provides for interaction in many areas , well, what was confirmed in all of these, so that the statement is all the more simple. that's what i say. how are you doing? let's be fair. well, maybe in china, taking into account its influence on russia, and maybe inside russia, taking into account the fact that in that case, getting some intelligence would not be too difficult, as it seems to me. maybe i if i'm wrong, correct me now to know the real state of affairs, er, go to moscow and ask people who, even to their own supreme commander, may not

admit to the real state of affairs , there was a lot of information about the truth about what putin can hide or smooth out some points that relate to the real affairs of the russian army at the front. well, it's a little strange , but what will be learned from personal meetings with the minister of defense, who will be asked chinese questions about what help you, my friend, what do you lack or what do you have a lot of extra or something else uh, no intelligence will work here when people are two ministers of defense and they will consult about what the next certain steps should be in order for uh, russia to defeat ukraine and china he must know clearly because this knowledge of real

affairs means that it gives the leadership of the people's republic of china a clear understanding of where he should go next and in what way and what must be declared and what must be done. especially since the situation with the american chinese dialogue not so much well, you asked about why the visit was postponed brinking china is now demonstrating communication what are you looking at we are a very important country but in this world, they are also very strong militarily and you don't need to show us what you should do whatever you want when well shot down means uh what is it called uh a probe and

a chinese probe on the territory of the united states of america after that and then make a decision what are you waiting for let's postpone the visas and now that america wants to meet there is something to discuss, they say, wait, we don’t really need it, well, at least now it’s the same position as the result of french president macron’s visit to china, when it was announced that tsimplin will call zelenskiy, but then when he deems it necessary, that is, everyone is waiting now how will this matter from the front come back, and in accordance with this, we will develop our positions regarding specific further steps, otherwise it will be very difficult

to predict what the reaction of the united states of the collective action will be to this or that it means a demand or an action or something similar on the part of china. i like that china participates in large auctions in addition to all that, and at the same time we understand that it is ready to trade on the side of the russian federation. at the present moment, maybe in six months the situation will change, that is of the russian federation, now the visit of the minister of defense to the russian federation means that they are starting, so to speak , to put forward their trade positions or trade offers. i do not know how far beijing will be willing to go in forming so to speak talk about your chinese geopolitical peace or rather geopolitical education by analogy with the russian peace, but in

any case, as you see, what positions will be negotiated, in particular, this applies to relations in china both with moscow and with representatives of western civilization. of course , the united states will play separately there the united states of america can play france a little differently . well, this is unprecedented history after the second world war. yes, you are right here, i completely agree. i do not see such precedents in our history. er, well, there were practically no, they were ordinary if we remember, ah, the attempts of the people's republic of china to somehow solve the crisis, which is called showing their power, especially the army, but they failed. i mean exactly the one in the 70s, eh

blood with the attack on vietnam, that's what they said after they arrived in the pizza place that the task was completed. everything is in order. we are bringing our troops up to speed. everything is fine, but it means that the chinese army has no experience and they must understand absolutely clearly that in order to avoid the corresponding threats from the united states. i mean, first of all, the question of taiwan. so you need to have strong muscles, and for that we also have russia, which has a huge nuclear potential of 6,000 missiles, while in china i have about 400 missiles, we clearly have to make sure what we can count on if what our further actions will be. and this very much depends on how this war will end, when it

will end once, what will it end two, and what will it be like after that end. then we, the chinese, will count on the fact that this final situation will give us a reason to plan clearly for our future, including as a state that claims to be the leader in the world, bearing in mind the creation of the second pole because they and during the visit, all the ringing moscow e-e joint statements in favor of and thus emphasized that the a-a parties will choose their own bipolar multi-polar e-e and for this everything

is directed, therefore it is very important to clearly understand when and how it will end, the main thing is that they they call the ukrainian crisis thank you to you mr. igor ihor lytvyn, chairman of the board of the association of ukraine-china strategic partnership, former ambassador of ukraine to china in 1999-2001 well, now we will talk about what is wrong with ukrainian agricultural production , why is it already in poland, and slovakia , as well as hungary, is the closest sometimes it is possible to walk and not contact us leonid kozachenko president of the ukrainian agrarian confederation former vice prime minister for agrarian affairs in 2001-22 thank you, mr.

leonid's colleagues we are waiting for your contact and with us ivan uz candidate of economic sciences, chief consultant of the foreign policy research center of the national institute of strategic studies mr. ivan, congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes congratulations, ms. khrystyna, mr. antina, mr. ivan, respectively, we would like to ask how serious the conflict will be on the part of individual member states of the european union , in particular, we are talking about poland, hungary , slovakia and further down the list, which are starting to take measures of the anti-zionist plan, so to speak, with regard to our grain , so we understand that the position of the european commission is categorically different and we understand in principle. although we do not justify our european partners who refuse to import our grain to them, they have their own problems with their farmers, so to speak, but but but so ivan, we would like to ask you to analyze the situation and see if there is a solution. final say by the european commission or

individual member states well, what is it like when the state refuses to even transit our grain , it’s fine, they don’t want to buy it there, but a ban on transit or freezing of transit this is something else, i absolutely agree, the only thing is that i want to start with something so that when a decision is made regarding maximum assistance to ukraine not only in the military, but also in the economic sphere , because it was agreed for a year of application, or rather, no application to ukraine of any restrictions in the construction sector. and by the way, if i am not mistaken among his plans - it is planned to be extended for one year, these problems arose very timely and from the point of view of the prospect of extension, what actually caused them, let's just run through the numbers

the physical description of the grains that ukraine supplies to poland in 2022 exceeded the physical resistance of the 21st year by 42 times. if we talk about slovakia, then it is already 971 times, but why is such a large number because in 2021 there were actually no deliveries to hungary there 4 99 tons of grain was delivered. and now the figure is more accurate in the 22nd year, 485,000 , i.e. hungary grew by 60, 69 times, bulgaria by almost 10 times, and the biggest growth was in romania by 345 times. that is, we understand how much let's say that there were how big problems arose in agriculture in the mentioned crimea of ​​the european union with the appearance of this magazine from ukraine, but here we are moving on to the next stage, are these countries independent players or are they components of the european union, and if we consider them as the european union and they are a part of the european

union, the question of customs policy is not a question of individual countries. it is a question of the european union itself, because when they say that such restrictions will be introduced, then there is a question about at least two articles the association agreement between ukraine and the eu eh now i am looking at their numbers 35 article and 34 35 regarding the establishment of n-child restrictions if i am not mistaken 34-a is about transit. that is , it turns out that a-a countries that take this step , they exceed their powers and thus create problems for the existence of the european union, therefore the solution to this problem that has arisen is not only a question of ukraine's dialogue with these countries

. ago it is desirable that they join actively and do not turn this situation into a problem that can harm the relations of the country as a future member of the eu with the current members of the european union, mr. ivan. on their territories, too much of the ukrainian coast accumulates, some pesticides are found that are not allowed on the territory of the european union, or a complex of issues , including political issues, and a complex of issues , leonid kozachenko, the president, joins us of the ukrainian agrarian confederation, the former vice-premier for agrarian issues in 2001-2. glory to ukraine, leonid, we welcome you to the heroes , glory to us, we are also in touch with ivan uz, the chief consultant of the center for foreign policy research of the national institute of strategic studies, respectively,

we are talking about the prohibition even in some places of the transit of our grain through the territories of individual member states of the european union , this does not share the positions of individual states . so we understand that history is extremely difficult and traumatic for farmers of individual states, but our key task is to preserve our interests and the interests of our agricultural producers, but there is a story that some of our grain does not meet the strict standards of the european union, this applies to the use of pesticides and not only possible genetically modified mr. leonid's products. and this is really a very serious problem that has arisen. no one expected that this could happen. but we have, as they say

, what we have. we have been negotiating for a long time to acquire membership in the european union, but one of the obstacles has always stood in the way. i remember it for more than 10 years. it stands as how to integrate the agriculture of ukraine into the corresponding branch of the economy of the european union. a family farm on which the european union spends approximately 40% of its budget , imagine that in our country they always provide 1%, they have 40% to support agriculture , today they do not have enough of these funds in order to to compete with the ukrainian agrarian sector. that's why this question stood, but at the moment it has become very difficult because we must first of all understand that

the european union and poland are the most important. this country helps us in the fight against the aggressor, and today we need to seek understanding. - what are the solutions to the problems that have arisen in order to relieve the tension as soon as possible and continue to work in the best way can be transit transportation through the european union because we know that the grain corridor does not meet our needs, therefore transit and sale to other countries of the world and for this to create the appropriate er let's say the rules of regulation of control on the part of the european union and maybe we will have to press the poles slovaks romanians bulgarians for this i think it is not necessary although er i even had a conversation with italians today

they are very sorry and lack our grain and they, uh, well, they themselves are inside the european union. they are against what these five countries are doing, uh, hungary, i also forgot to mention it, and uh, they want to have the right to buy from us there were no restrictions, roughly the same in greece and spain, that is, the southern part of the european union, they are very interested in buying the ukrainian collection, they do not care about any phytosanitary problems there , they really exist. we understand only land corridors, because the russians will now block the sea grain corridor as much

as possible. you understand the trouble, like the ban on transit. what could it be related to? well, it could be related to the fact that they, well. at the moment, i know those who are negotiating with them. they say that they cannot find such an instrument as of today. will provide 100% control over the transfer, i.e. they think that a maximum of 70% will be able to be controlled there and it will never remain on the territory of european soybeans, at least 30 will remain because well, i called it, i don’t want to say that italy will do it so that tomorrow they they were trying to figure out why i said that, but people like italy can. other countries can keep part of this production and it will no longer be our problem and we will do it with them , but they will do it, that's why they are so

wary and they are afraid of it, but i i think that this is exactly what we need to insist on, allow us to transit if we are ready to help farmers and they say let us increase subsidies now, there is nowhere to take them because they give these funds to help ukraine, so it is good we will transport through your territory and export to other countries trust us that we they are willing to do this in order to restore relations and continue to cooperate, so i think that this would be one of the main uh, well , as the tools say, although some of my colleagues are against it because they signed contracts for at least six months ahead for the supply of ukrainian products to the european union and they say we have already transported part of this product , it cleared customs on the territory of the european union, what should we do with it now, it is millions of dollars in losses that unexpectedly arose for us and we have no

right to accept these conditions. therefore, everyone must in a specific case, consider how to eliminate the obstacles, they are separate, but in general, do as i said, in fact, each of the countries that we are actively mentioning on the air today makes a decision in its own way , for example, hungary prohibits the import of grain , but allegedly does not oppose transit mentioned as it will be with all the others i think that i think that the question is still controversial on which the european commission, for example, declares that trade policy belongs to the exclusive competence of the eu and unilateral actions of states are really unacceptable p. leonidu please comment on this, i.e.

, are conditions not created under which, uh, individual countries of the european union go against uh-uh with the already mentioned principle and functioning of the eu, my colleague said everything correctly that individual countries cannot violate those agreements that were adopted at the level of the european commission and voted for, including these countries and just take a separate case to violate them, uh, no one has the right uh, in this situation that has arisen, it is necessary urgently, uh , the european commissions to meet and make an appropriate decision, but i say once again that the best option would be well, let's say a month somewhere, well, at least for two weeks, to extend it, as it is, to introduce control so that we sell in transit to other countries of the world, and that is, it

should not always be such an established procedure. how to act and it is necessary i am sure we will return to this issue in a year, if we become a member of the european union, then this issue will become more acute again because the agriculture of the european union cannot compete with the corresponding industry of our country, which is why there are small family farms and almost half of the budget goes to the european union for their dating , two-three cows each, five cows each, 5-10 hectares. of course, this is not the way to go now, they should have reformed a long time ago. i have seen this many times in brussels and in other he told the countries and if they do not choose this path, even 100% of the budget of the european union will not be enough in 10 years to keep them

competing with capable not only in relation to us but also to other countries of the world, such restrictions on small-scale farming have been created in the united states of america today over the past four years, more than three hundred agricultural holdings there very strictly control the competitor, the right is not to create monopolies, but they are on the way to increase in other countries of the world, and when you control the entire production chain from raw materials to the final product and you sell these products yourself, then you are competitive, that is why today we do not agree, this is about agro-industry. well, there is also the issue of people and citizens. ivan, the chief consultant of the center for foreign policy studies of the national institute of strategic studies, is in touch with us. we understand that the issue of people in particular, if you take the same poland or the same slovakia and so on, no one can throw it off the agenda, we understand that there are powerful

agro-industrial companies like the united states yes, in ukraine, there is also the question of ordinary farmers, you understand that they live off the land , that is, they are not ready to sell their products , so to speak, at reduced prices to such and such grain traders and pads. well, accordingly , they have the opportunity to influence their government. one and a half minutes, mr. ivan. how do you see the prospects now and where this crisis may unfold? well, as i mentioned, ukraine's dialogue with each country of the european commission, because it should also be understood that this partial problem arose also, because of people and, let's say, who deal with our grain already in poland , that is, ukraine supplies poland with grain, and resellers , instead of sending it to other countries, partially leave it on the domestic market, actually in the process today , former acting minister of agriculture

, mrs. trofimtseva pointed out that simply certain polish companies emphasize ukrainian polish companies and create problems for polish farms. that is, it is generally an internal polish issue that has a very negative effect on ukraine . therefore, it is desirable that there should be such a dialogue between the european commission there poland-ukraine european commission slovakia-ukraine to solve this issue because there really is an impression that a significant institutional crisis is being created in rivne in the eu. thank you for an extremely interesting and useful conversation. unfortunately, we have to end it . of the agrarian confederation, former vice prime minister for agrarian affairs in 2001-2, as well as thank you to ivan ivan, candidate of economic sciences , chief consultant of the center for foreign policy studies of the national institute of strategic research were working now on our live broadcast, we hope that the topic is here. well, we will continue to analyze

, unfortunately, we do not see the horizon and a solution in the next couple of days, so considering that ukraine received good money for exporting our grain both by sea and by land, and by land e- in the near future , the issue may become as open as the sea , because the russian federation is doing everything to disrupt the activities of our grain corridor, so it is time to pass the word to our journalists and anna ivanyk will present an updated information the release of a colleague, thank you for the word, the news will be with us in a few moments , be with us, they promise to find every criminal in the president's office, they reacted to the video with the confession of the wagnerites about the mass murders of ukrainian children, as it became known, terrorists committed atrocities against more than twenty minors