[000:00:00;00] which are supposedly emotionally impressive, which goldfish or the same passport, you know, with all this, but you need to look deeper, you need to look at those who form the ideology of this war and who deny the state independence of ukraine and the existence of the ukrainian people. they are olezhe, an incredible story. such a beautiful easter the story happened in a town in the vinnytsia region of mogilov-podilskyi town, although it is a regional subordination, the population is 30,000 , according to the data of 2020, but what is interesting is that there is not a single church in the whole town the orthodox church of ukraine, the local orthodox church, and there are churches of the uoc mp and there is also a roman catholic church. and actually what happened on easter, a priest from a village near ptsu decided to come to the town to those people who no longer want to go to the churches of the uoc mp to

consecrate easter. in fact, of course, there is nowhere near the church where it would be possible to do it here, it is also an incredible story because if you remember the history of ukraine, there has always been a confrontation between orthodoxy and the roman catholic church, and the xionz of the roman catholic church called him to him and said listen, you will be here lead a holiday service and i'll even serve you and let people come, we can watch it, it's not this incredible, there's actually a video from this, there's a report from this town, how people came to celebrate passover, something, the video doesn't work , we have some technical problems well, but viewers can take my word for it, i re-watched this report, heard, heard, listened to the testimony , we can see the water poured out when celebrating easter, my minister only sang to him to bring buckets of water, they all rejoiced, and i am so orthodox to fertilize so that catholics

in 30 years, we have never kissed and rejoiced and thanked that there was an opportunity to pray quietly in the ukrainian language, to hear our native language and to understand what the prayer is about and what the prayer is about . you know, i wonder what will happen to the uoc priests mp will transfer to ptu or ptu will merge with the roman catholic church , mr. oleg, in your opinion, look, it's a very good, wonderful plot, and i understand that your questions rather , so to speak, sound like a kind of invitation to a discussion, and that's why i really will take advantage on this wonderful occasion, because this story tells us about something very important , and here i have to refute a part of the phrase that you said, we know about the age-old confrontation between the roman catholic church and the orthodox church, you understand, we know this because that

is how it was formed in the history of geography, the opinion was formed that we, not us, but those who formed it, spoke about some kind of aggression. for centuries , the ukrainian land was a place where representatives of different religious groups coexisted and, as a rule, interacted peacefully, so to speak. traditions, each government tried to establish its own monopoly, so to speak, and here, so to speak, it was either the policy of the polish state or the policy of the russian empire, but the specificity of ukraine is that despite these efforts, no one managed to create an empire here of the state church, why is the reaction of the moscow patriarchate so painful to ukraine and the believers and clergy of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine because they are losing this status that they

were counting on or that they are to some extent instead, all the other denominations in ukraine were comforted. they are used to being open to others, and that is why there are such examples when one community saved another in the circumstances of some kind of trouble. we have very, very much, you know. in western ukraine, in galicia, and there are interesting cases when we know that in roman catholic churches , priests of the greek catholic church confessed and confessed their underground confessions when the deportation took place in the year 46 roman catholics, many roman catholic believers found their spiritual protection in greek catholic churches, which were not yet closed at the time . and this case is, in general , unique, so to speak, because it proves that khmelnytskyi is not to blame, despite the persecution

of the soviet authorities for such an assimilationist policy, so to speak speaking of the russian leadership, there are roman catholics who are ukrainians , so they consider themselves ukrainian citizens, and it seems to me that it is for this reason, but also for purely christian motives , that they opened themselves to the meeting as believers of the orthodox church of ukraine regarding giving them the opportunity to celebrate their holidays, that is why i would say here, you know, we need to move away from these ideas, so to speak, that someone has to join someone, that someone has to convince someone to hug him so much as to subdue him. we must understand that the strength of ukraine lies in that we can be different and live next to each other, not only separated, so to speak, but by doing common things to testify to some common values ​​that unite us, this is the most important thing

. congratulated the muslims of ukraine and the world on this holiday - it is the end of the holy month of ramadan for muslims, so we also congratulate the muslims of ukraine on this holiday as well. they are joined by chistikov, the deputy permanent representative of the president of ukraine in crimea, and mr. denys good morning, mr. denys p. denys is actually eh well , if we look back at the holiday, do the crimean tatars have a festive mood in in connection with ramadan bayram to those crimean tatars who remain in crimea well, everything is to be noted that everyone noticed from the participation of the president this year, for the first time you in the tara, which was organized in ukraine over the controlled part, noticed it in the world

and the crimean tatars, this gave impetus and support the fact that they realize that crimea remains in the focus of both the state and the world , and its liberation and return , the territorial integrity and fate of ukraine, and the prospect is tangible, and they are waiting for it and are also ready for the actions that will be taken by them the return of the armed forces to the crimean peninsula. you know, of course, we are not only talking about the crimean tatars, but now there is such a video. i watched it as the russian special services in sevastopol force people, for example, to say on camera what they have there , what they have about the ukrainian position on the camera seems to repent of all this and apologize to russia for the fact that they support ukraine. that's it. i don't know if we can now show and listen to one such resident

of sevastopol who is somewhere in sevastopol i drew or wrote the glory of ukraine somewhere in the city and they caught it , it is worth listening to the public. russia also wants to warn the residents of the region from participating in similar actions organized by the ukrainian special services. you will be found and ordered . be sure. available proof of the policy of the slava russia party and i don't know the text, but here's a thank you, comrade major. i think this brave woman still allowed herself

to add this note of sarcasm to this knocked out from below from knowledge, but it's also about what we are now against, why already we forget that there are people in sevastopol who are serious about this russian repossession and annexation and still hope that crimea will return to ukraine. allow me to put a few remarks on this connection . in general , this is already a practice that is practiced. and this practice is now being actively implemented by the russian special services on the territory of the crimean peninsula, there are whole groups created in telegram channels that are controlled by the russian special services in order to identify the specified pro-ukrainian persons in the online space on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea. but we all understand that this is provoked and that this is a demonstration from powerlessness, that is, it is the other way around, and if

monitoring of social networks causes division, and even those persons who were neutral stood up to the occupation, now they are not are perceived, and more on the contrary, the resistance movement has grown, as demonstrated by the coordinators of the resistance movement, as well as representatives of the press service of the armed forces of ukraine , who indicate that information of a military nature is actively coming from the temporarily occupied crimea. and they forecast that the indicated information will increase with the approach of the armed forces to the administrative border with the temporarily occupied crimea, in addition , we now understand that such exposures will be more frequent, since they also need to justify the case of the cancellation of the celebrations of may 1 and 9 and the so-called immortal regiment, which will not be celebrated this year, but they explained this with security factors . at the same time, we understand that they need to demonstrate these security factors, in particular , the detention took place the day before yesterday in the city of kerch a citizen of ukraine who allegedly planned

to pick up the crimean bridge, but we understand that the explosives they found are not enough even for minimal damage to this bridge, that is why such demonstrative exposures from on the part of the russian special services and arrests of ukrainian citizens, at present there will be more and more precisely to justify their activities and powerlessness on the territory of the crimean peninsula . probably what they hear in crimea and in russia. are they somehow discussing this? and what are they doing there? i have already heard that they have sent conscripts who are supposed to defend crimea .

crimea has returned to ukraine, it is enough to note that the mobilized people who arrive on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea of ​​the russian federation are already in a panic mood among them and this is recorded by the civilian population in the temporarily occupied ford, they indicate that this was not noticeable before and now it is these mobilized people who are aware and will be military actions directly on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea in which they, based on their discussions, do not particularly consider it demoralizing to take part and that's the way it is mood and spills over into the circle of collaborators who are temporarily occupied crimea, as we have already said in the media, there were several waves of outflow of collaborators of citizens of the russian federation from the temporarily occupied crimea to the territory of the russian federation. now the information is indicated, she is trying to hide it because it causes even more panic along with therefore, we note a decrease, well, a decrease in the value of real estate , attempts to realize it. at the same time, we have now artificially created a certain demand at the expense of

preferential loans for military personnel in order to at least somehow restrain the population outflow, since this will also be a demonstration of a negative trend on the territory of the crimean peninsula, in particular , in march, the occupation administration of sevastopol already confirmed the outflow of the population from the city for the first time since 2014, in addition, now they cannot because of the same events that happened on the crimean bridge in october 2022 led to logistical problems on the territory of the crimean peninsula, which led to an increase in the cost of food products, as well as the duration of the movement of goods to the crimean peninsula, in addition precisely because of the approach of military operations to the temporarily occupied crimea and the accumulation of russian military personnel led to a shortage of medicines, now there is an active shortage not only for military personnel who turn to russian pharmacies, but also for ordinary civilians, in addition, local residents see that the russian federation bears great loss of personnel, since a large number

of crematoria are now operating in the crimean peninsula, and crematoria that were the state of stationary and used by the civilian population is also not currently providing services for civilians, it is directed specifically for military purposes, so now the residents of crimea, as well as those who supported, who were neutral and also pro-ukrainian , understand that military actions are approaching and this is the time of the near future, you know, it turned out to be very interesting an article on ukrainian pravda by yury yuzych, who is, in particular, the chairman of the nalidov rada plast, but also the chief expert of the group e-e rpr resuscitation package of youth reforms politics, and this publication is dedicated to the vision of the future policy of the occupation and reintegration of crimea itself, he tried to tell yury about it from the position of historical experience

, precisely as an organization that was very active there in 1916 and 18 years. after it was returned, after the russian empire and the bolsheviks lost control over it and they were able to do extremely great things even within the borders of the polish state, and volyn became a part of what we call western ukraine in in a good sense, that is, absolutely with a pro-ukrainian state position, and in particular, he says that we cannot copy at the same time, for example, the methods of the russian federation, we must be prepared for the fact that a large part, a significant part, a noticeable part of young crimeans will call themselves russian because it does not pass without a trace. this ideological ideological washing, let's say, which is happening now in crimea, but at the same time we

cannot simply mirror these considerations and these are in ukrainian realities because i have a totalitarian state and we do not need the citizens of a totalitarian state are weak-willed or too toothless, we simply will not be able to corporatize a democratic state in this way, accordingly, if it is done in this way, it will more likely result in something similar to pacification, the policy was carried out by the poles precisely in galicia in the 20s and 30s, which led to the return of absolute results to only an increase in the movement of resistance and hatred of the polish government of occupation, respectively. and so on, there are already some very good tips as to what can be done. and it should be cultural influence and democratic. i just before that, i am telling a story about the fact that, in principle, there are opinions about what to do with all this, or are they already somehow implemented in the form of some kind of strategy or if it does not happen suddenly, well, that is, once and for all, and crimea

is ours, or do we already have ab and this is what we are doing literally the next day after de-occupation. well, it should be noted that the representative office on behalf of the president has been working since the fall of 2020, including the issue of humanitarian policy after de-occupation. so we understand all the problems that we will face, in particular , this was discussed with central experts authorities and we understand that acting in the same way as the russian federation is doing, they will not give those results, but on the contrary, they will continue to do, well, create conditions for the resistance of the residents of crimea, therefore, from the first, there are already certain well-developed steps, in particular, we understand that the first is to remove those the factors that led to this are, as we have repeatedly said, that it will be necessary to expel russians who entered illegally after 2014, and this number is about 800 thousand representatives of russian citizens, namely russian citizens, nor those who

received citizens of ukraine who received russian passports, in addition, there will be changes regarding the demilitarization of education, since all education in the russian federation, and now actively in crimea and in the newly annexed territories , is aimed specifically at raising children for further participation in military operations for the protection and expansion of the russian federation, this is also will get rid of get rid of in addition, we are aware that during this time we had changes in the field of education that were positive and this is what needs to be demonstrated to children first of all so that they realize what changes have taken place and what awaits them in ukraine in particular, for this purpose also be organized and trips to the controlled, well , mainland part of ukraine so that they can see what has happened in our country and have already formed their own idea and not the idea that they formed by propaganda in addition, we understand that since the 14th year, ukrainian changes in the territory of temporarily occupied crimea have been completely destroyed, and the first step is the return of the local snakes that functioned with

the occupied crimea, as well as from the west all-ukrainian changes and the international media so that they actively first inform the residents of the temporarily occupied crimea about the reality and form already objective information that is not propagandistic and under the influence of the russian federation, as well as so that the world also sees that the steps taken by ukraine and to neutralize the propaganda that will be carried out by the russian federation after crimea is returned to ukraine. thank you, mr. denis chistikov, deputy permanent representative of the president of ukraine in crimea . thank you. information, we found out what still fell on kyiv yesterday, was it a meteorite or was it connected with the visit of jens stoltenberg, it is so connected, but there is also good news from the arresting officer , fortunately, the aliens

only have two or three meteorites left i have already seen nice ukrainians who sell these e-e and place ads about it, people are good, that's all, don't buy into it, because it's not meteorites , it's something like that, people, we really continue the topic of the important role played by humor during the war, just look, i just watched on for example, muscovites well, it’s not fun for them, skabeeva spits bile, you already know there, they are constantly washing their jackets because of that, there they are constantly changing the word well, there, that is, they are not fun these these solovyov, whose sound has disappeared but now i’m letting everyone go well, and so on , well well, people, let yourself be restrained a little. everything is fine with you. you can just leave ukraine at any moment and you won't even get anything for it. well, there is something very bad about them, all with humor. you know why, i said and wrote about it. god, i said it would be short i'm taking up the time of the next interlocutor, what kind of person am i? okay, very briefly. in the name

of the rose , it's a novel by the medievalist and umberto eco, famous. natalya podolyak, a psychologist, is with us now. mrs. natalya, the radio can see you . i greet you all. good morning. well, talk to andrii. you couldn't stop, so come on. i clearly wanted to say, but recently you read moskovskoe vremya. professor preobrazhensky, doctor barmental, don’t read soviet newspapers, but i have such a sin because of my work, my word, they are very strong, such a progressive part, if russians who don’t want this war don’t support it and certainly don’t want to die somewhere under the bachmouth, but they have terrible stress because of that that electronic subpoenas will work now

, it is impossible to hide, a total system of control, well , there are currently active advice from psychologists , what to do, how to deal with anxiety, and so on and so on, we have it all somewhere it was held a year ago, it seems to me well, they say that under no circumstances should you drink, well, in principle, the advice for russia is obviously relevant. and it seems to me that what would be our advice now? for us, it seems to me that it is already so obvious that we use humor and humor helps. yes, it's true. when i talk to children and adults, i say that this is such a huge resource, one of the foundations of our ukrainian people. when we joke, we can joke .

we joke with our government and this supports us and inspires us, and in fact, when people have a sense of humor, this is also a sign of intelligence. always when there is a diagnosis of children's intelligence , this element of humor is checked. that is, i can say that we can do it, we are smart and rely on it e- eh, since the first days of the war, in fact, look at how many memes there are now on any topic, even on the same one as they entered, they glued a meteorite there, eh, there are 20, if not already there are mensheviks, and we all laugh and joke about everything in which we live, but this is not sarcasm this is not a devaluation of what we feel, but on the contrary, as self-support. well, some kind of protective reaction, because taking everything that happens around us seriously all the time is probably a direct path to certain specialists who will either help with the help of

pills or without the help of pills but with the help of sessions, i somehow pull out the thing about pulling out, and i increasingly hear from people whose relatives are fighting that they are not understood by people whose relatives are not fighting and who or who have not seen the war up close, what is going on dissonance between citizens in ukraine and that those people who do not have such a direct relationship with the war that they forget about it do you have such an observation and what should we do about it or is there really a gap or is it growing? well , i would say that it goes both ways, because the families in which the war is going on are also very aggressive towards those families that are not fighting there, and there are accusations and children

who go to school as well. well, i say, why is my dad fighting yours does not fight and e. that is, it goes in both directions, and you know how to demand it, well, let's suppose someone's cat died there or died and the owner loved him very much, or he ran away and the owner is looking for him, and whoever is nearby can get involved, look for him if he is looking for this cat, or sympathize, but for sure he cannot experience this grief in the same way what kind of shock does the owner of this katat feel? it will be different, not so deep, not so strong , because there is no emotional attachment and to demand, for example, from other people that you should feel just as much. well, a priori, they cannot they can worry they can sympathize, they can donate, they can support, they can help in some other ways, but they can't

experience at such deep levels like those people whose families are at war, and well, that's how the psyche is arranged. we would all go crazy if we were all equally going through the same deep experiences as those people there who, for example, have lost someone close to them or are waiting for the front and what should be answered in such a case? to answer that child doesn't dad fight like that for the child of which dad so as not to offend her but also so that there is no conflict and so that the child receives some kind of support and the child and an adult are there , for example, friend, one woman says others my husband fights yours no, well, you can say what i can't even imagine how hard it is for you to wait for a call from him every time to wait for him to return. it's incredibly

difficult for sure. how can i help you? how can i support you there? my husband does everything for that. well, to help, for example to the boys or he is there in some companies or something else, well, that is, those who are in the rear, eh . masks we have to live life uh we have to uh do something well also for our victory and because what is here and what is here it can be different don't look at this picture and talk to a person ask how are you what are you there well, my husband is also fighting, but that doesn't

mean that i have to fall there. well, i don't know. in the mountains it's difficult, but the inner mood is there . i'm waiting, i'm supporting . i'm working. i'm sad, i'm waiting, i'm worried, yes, this is duality, i already said on some broadcast that we all live in duality, and the external picture is not true, but the internal state, our internal state can be completely opposite, but we have to live in these two dualities, two worlds in order to continue to live, if i understand correctly, again, everything is in those, everything is stuck in. let's say the level of our empathy is that we understand that someone has a little more problems than us, or vice versa, or do we understand that not everyone should understand our problems as strongly as we feel them, that is if we have this understanding and feeling of each other from both sides

, then we have fewer conflicts, of course , there are a lot of conflicts now, and i look at social networks, well , it seems like this is how some topic is launched in any sphere of life, and just like that excuse me for the bad word, but that's what ukrainian doctors are called , yes, a lot of potential of our energy is being wasted, someone needs us, we're exhausted, so you have to be careful not to get involved here, if it doesn't directly concern you, there's a conflict where you're a person there against someone and something try not to turn on do not comment scroll e believe you will live without it, but you will save yourself, your energy, your potential and you can use it for something useful either for yourself or for your family or for our country all bots who do not get out of the chat

from the press you will give heard heard eh mrs. natalya podalyak thank you and besides , our viewers also started and will keep in mind how to react to pain and how to also talk about what you feel. thank you to our viewers for staying with us. our tr continues. espresso continues to inform you. and now there will be a news report from ulyana panasiuk and she will tell you. thank you, colleagues have collected updated information about night shelling, we will also tell you about the consequences of this year's flood, not only kyiv and the communities of cherkasy region were affected by the overflow of the dnipro about everything in a moment explosions in belgorod and the ukrainian flag on a cube