[000:00:00;00] as tens of thousands of people pass through the center of berlin on the anniversary of the full-scale invasion on february 24, for tomorrow, the 25th, you understand, buses bring from all cities a not incomparably smaller number of these very peace-loving aunties, but all the cameras and medi and not the coverage of this bukimto anti-ukrainian spirit. although you can't be anti-ukrainian in europe right now , it's just that, well, it's completely out of politics, that's why they say that they are pacifists, what kind of peace, well, you know this discourse, what a pity for both sides, what we need to stop all this, we need to agree to take pershing away from us, but the soviet union does not take away its missiles from neighboring germany, it is absolutely fair

. that is, it is the same completely, even the discourse has not changed much and people have not changed much. these are the same people , they just got older or gave birth to children well, here we are, i saw a message yesterday, it seems that uh, in serhiy kiriyenko's office, it's from a pentagon leak, uh, of the deputy head of the administration of the president of russia. they have now introduced a meeting, they wanted to create, i want to create a party of national unity as an alternative for germany and under the chairmanship of sarah vahakh of books and one of the leaders of the left. well, this is also imagined in order to create such a party . the fact that the british were the first to describe us as non-reactive, but in reality this is the informational component of this war, this component is globalized and in principle well, from my point of view, you know, the ukrainian

audience deserves constant monitoring. of permanent correspondents in the west who would constantly review at least some of the main trends of these discursive, narrative and informational trends and whatever the warrior wants , because if any information appears, it is in the form of some kind of news. to us in kraków during the presentation of the award of the city of kraków to her, the concert in milan was canceled in connection with that . which stand certain intellectual trends which, by the way, are supported by the texts of certain publications, that is, these people speak with articles , these people speak with uh, well, with certain harmonious

positions in one way or another, but still, that is, there are sociological surveys that are periodically conducted in european countries about the attitude towards ukrainians and well, the results of these studies are published and analyzed, that is, in fact, there is a large mass of information that directly concerns us . instead, we only receive winning reports about what that means. well, that’s good. he came to us from stoltenberg, he came to us there, he came to us, this is what it means to us, once again , they will give us something, thank god, it’s good that they will give, but you understand the context of this gift, you understand what is behind what and where it comes from there are connections behind that, well, the most recent example , you just know. i was very angry yesterday. so when i read, when i read the winning reports that appeared in

the ukrainian press from the london book fair, it ended a few days ago. that ukraine was in the center attention of the london bookshop and how wonderful it is, er, i wasn't there , i was already in ukraine on thursday, it ended er, but my sources, let's say so, and my sources are the western public, western intellectuals, journalists , publishers, agents who directly, well, with whom i work and who monitored this situation, they were just deeply disappointed by the ukrainian presentation because it is not spotlight, that is, it is spotlight, but this spotlight does not mean the center of attention, it means well, it is good that there is some attention to ukraine, that is

, we were given this very national stand under some preferential conditions and on this and this national stand, he was not in the most prestigious hall, he had to go up to the gallery to the second floor, but that’s not even the point . the point is that you give the ministry of culture and information of ukraine and the ukrainian institute the books that prepared this presentation , well, the impression is that they simply rolled back all the experience gained in the presentation of ukrainian books and ukrainian literature from 2014, when you could already be proud of how we look both in frankfurt and to everyone at other international international book fairs, as if all this experience just flew somewhere down the drain and we are back in the 90s again, people who don’t speak are sitting here taking in english at the stand imported products of 20

ukrainian publishing houses, you know, there are some books lying around again, there is no presentation. it all reminded me of how we climbed into the world of god 16 years ago, after the orange revolution, let’s not go to the book fair in chitsk and it was in the style of shame and a lot was said about it. now listen to such people listen to the presentation. well, it’s not, it’s not. you don’t need presentation opportunities to at least show the books of those authors who are known to the english audience . sorry for the three. zhadan kurkov. zabuzhko for bushko . territory, that is, in london, he has the same rights as younger

authors. unfortunately, i say this. you understand as a person who does not need this advertising, because my books are already in piccadilly in the bookstore on piccadilly in the center of london, in the window of my english speaking books on the contrary, it is me, the ukrainian state in this case should use my step-by-step desire to advertise itself and this whole presentation . what new contracts did you bring, how did you sell them to the western agents, who are there , er, give like a swarm of flies, who did you sell, how did you manage to promote

ukraine, promote what was happening in ukrainian literature in ukrainian book publishing this whole year and this is a beautiful story - this is a wonderful story that makes a colossal impression on the western audience . to highlight the cultural life of ukraine during the war. this is really one of the feats of our people, which presents the face of ukraine to the world, which immediately answers the question of how we differ from the russians and why what we are fighting, in the words of churchill. and have you noticed in the west in general that this is a disconnection of russian and ukrainian cultural traditions, cultural standards , always by ukraine, which simply perceived as this is the map of the soviet union and there some

peoples are singing and speaking that you well what does it mean they noticed and this is a part of this very narrative war it started just at once that is, it is the work of dozens if not hundreds of figures of ukrainian culture who at once so that this whole discussion is about kensel kal or about delimitation and about the fact that we are not let's be, since by the way, this is also not covered, how many protests were there during this year by ukrainians when they were invited together with the russians, how many refusals were there? in the 19th year, all these organizers, that is , the directors of international institutions and

the organizers of major international events , already had it clearly written in their minds that ukrainians, together with russians, are united as one. it is not possible to invite a table to sit together at the same table, only the pope did not realize this. well, it already seems to mean that he wanted to invite two ukrainian and russian boys to easter. this idea had to be abandoned, that is , it even reached francis, but in reality it didn't happen by itself and it had to be explained, it had to be interpreted , it was necessary to make scandals several times, you know , just hang up when when you seemed to have already agreed to give an interview to the bbc eh and everything is fine, you fly to your hotel, here in half an hour, they have a technical test, and only a moment later they tell you that akunin will be writing to you that

akunin will be with his mother on the program, so you are angry and texting them back would you invite think about whether you would invite a german and a jew to the same program in 1943 and after that, after that , you turn off mmm well, that's the same question yes, always here imagine what you can discover ivryka, you are going to so today we are all putin's jews, we are the jews of the new hitler, so i don’t argue with the dream, that’s why it’s easier for you to imagine now. yes, go out, go to the bbc studio, i tell you what will be there.

it's just interesting. you have to understand it. so, again, there must be something specific. i don't know if i'm a jewess. i'd like to talk to remark at the age of 40, uh, 30 years old . after all, from well to the oscar-winning on the western front, this reluctance has not changed undermine that it is simply a desire to understand, not parallels. in fact, this is a very big and interesting topic that you raised. how much time do we have? well, 19 minutes is definitely great, it is actually a big and interesting topic, uh, not for 19 minutes, you know. a whole series of programs, how this war changes the narratives written by the west about how to perceive and evaluate wars , how it now opens and turns a very specific character, a good question

, your question is wrong, a good thing, it is not provocative, but it is a lot of german-speaking jews who told me that they they didn't know what language we spoke after the second world war, this is a serious problem, and this is the problem that russian-speaking ukrainians are facing now, yes, but, but the thing is that this dominant narrative has been accepted . by the way, the un has also adopted at the legislative level, uh, to end the war at all under the legal brackets and at the same time, the whole military experience is brought out under the legal brackets, not understanding it as part of human experience, but simply taking it as something that should not be ignored, where did this shock suddenly come from? wow, on february 24, 22, they

all woke up and could not for a long time to believe because they lulled themselves with the fact that these wars remained in the past , which means that there will never be another, so we will close our eyes and ignore the fact that for all these 30 years , russia waged local wars, waged local wars , and they swallowed the first chechnya, they also swallowed transnistria they swallowed and swallowed a lot more georgia was completely swallowed and swallowed simply because we turn a blind eye to it grandma is gone because we canceled wars there should never be a war - it's terrible war turns people into beasts, er, after the war, everyone comes traumatized, they must all be subjected to psychological therapeutic treatment , because everything is so terrible, because this should not be, it should be beyond the limits of human

experience, and here suddenly it turns out that experience to a large extent , it was given by that generation, er, by the lost generation of the first world war, and remarque is not the last. who took who contributed to the creation of this narrative? who were suddenly traumatized by this revealed deception, this is an experience that awaits the russians, but it is not an experience with which ukrainians who go as volunteers to defend their country simply because they are defending their country and they, forgive me, can identify themselves today

they have to justify themselves then all the time in front of the history of the world structure what oh war is terrible do you understand it is terrible , it is understood that no one was born for war , it is understood that no one wants no one wanted this war and everyone had a beautiful by the way, there was a video eh, it would be worth it to voice one of those short videos from the front where russian prisoners are taken where did he come from, where did he come from, where did he come from, where did he come from? well, bryansk region is still there, and he starts yelling , which is understood by the soldier's word, why did you come here ? why did you come here? i want to teach my children i want to live with my wife

i want to live with my wife why did you stay here this piercing monologue i am a teacher i want to teach children what i have with you here i have a draft ta-ta-ta it’s baked further eh that’s how much you know the resume in general so here are the positions of ukraine in this war yes yes we don't want to fight we want we want to create build teach we don't want to destroy donate we want to create build teach children and grow a new life and so on and so on hm so give it not raymarkian discourse this is not in the remarque area. the novel, whom do you want? bertold brecht

. someone could be sitting in this studio. well, your first reaction was that you wouldn't want to go, and then you start thinking. classes correctly, this is the association, we entered the elevator there, the elevator was still working in the 43rd year , it was just more archaic, you see, and he informs you , it seemed that you will be from romaka or with tomosamad, here is the first reaction, you go , sentence, here is 43- year and new year photo requests family in warsaw ah, well, i turn around with my dog ​​and slam the door in the same way life i did it 202 answer you understand because actually when you create such parallels it becomes more clear how people uh react because it's an impulsive reaction and not a reaction for 30 minutes just i don’t want and that’s it. neither is this a reaction nor an analogy and a parallel in order to make it clear, so yes, in order to make it clear , and of course they are there, then i feel feverish , convulsive, i mean, they made text messages

, hung up all the phones and knocked on everyone channels, but i didn't answer anymore, i thought that this was enough , there were a few more mild incidents of this kind, when it was necessary to simply explain why i don't want to, meaning why i don't think it's a good idea and why i won't be in the same studio, by the way well, that is, there is the rest. i found a universal formula, because several times i had to explain specifically by the person of a particular remarque or a particular akunin or a particular ulitskaya, recalling the facts of their biographies. losses in crimea, that is, accordingly, two annexations of crimea two years later, there is also her participation

, which she never admitted. bull to israel and they explained that it is better. after all , you all here accepted christianity from this narrative, then a new council of israelis was growing. well, that's already the case it's more convenient yes well of course yes but no but there and not here that is the stage of convenience it is spread over this territory to which these people do not have the right so what is the focus and it is also connected with ukraine and this is already imperial , forgive me that is, uh, that is, but in order to save yourself the trouble, it means not to start every time in the extra russistic studio , let them be there. i apologize, that means they live and graze separately, eh, and in the end, not immediately, but i found a fairly universal formula. why this

should not be done, no matter how good it is liberal means also, in principle, completely sympathetic and sincere russian authors, which is the truth. by the way, good liberals are sympathetic and sincere do not get on the podium to beat themselves in the chest and repent. yes, this is a very important point, and you can identify them by that fact that they cannot be seen or heard, they really are they suffer in silence and at best they write, er, it means some tragic posts on their facebook pages, when you can see that people are really sick, but to sit down means to sit next to ukrainians and tell them that they really do not have enough of us together conscience and this is really an indicator of what to do if it is doubt, yes , there is

, what is the matter, this is the best indicator. it could be, that is, it is for me and it works, i checked it really well, i have already used it many times . forgive me , you have listened to russians for 300 years. never listened to speak in the language of the famous this essay gayatri chakraborty singer let vysa baltern speak let's speak subaltern let speak here is the subordinate who will come out on february 24, 22 interpreted as some kind of meaning this putin from the backyard eh this is a wording that really was in one use the british snake that i was invited to participate in the discussion on what should be done with ukraine in january of the 22nd so that it does not anger putin. and all these inter-mayors

, which means chamsky and peterson, are also a separate part of these same narrative wars that is, she begged a huge number of some european intellectuals who rushed er on horseback with a saber er to the advantages with their anti-americanism, fashionable lebanese anti-americanism er, on which they ultimately built their careers criticizing america and america supporting ukraine means america is to blame and they fell completely into this very pro-russian trend and screwed up very quickly , but how is this all too quickly by historical standards, and then when there was a need for voices that would explain something to the west, in fact, that in fact, it was the unconscious voice of timothy snyder. thanks to him. that's why a huge number

of the same uh-uh full-time intellectuals uh -uh just screwed up the full program who became specialists in russia. those who do political analysis, that is, they earned money. so there is a big craft here, there is a big free one, we won’t have time to talk about it, of course, but here big colossal changes are taking place, which means that in world slavic studies, er, which ceases to be stream-centric and now the most model word in all these finally departments of slavic studies where colonization that is, these are very serious powerful processes that are grinding there and everywhere there were russian departments almost nowhere ukrainian i am not talking about belarusian well that's all well what's up

belarusian listen to czech polish slovenian and so on that is, in fact, the younger generation of fame. here it is. it has just now turned on and rebelled and protested , so i am proud of the fact that i had a hand in this, because in the end i spoke out. last year, here exactly one year ago, i published there with the letter supalment the entire opening article that gave rise to the great storm, how to read russian literature after buchi, and uh , well, really, here is a change of discourse, uh , it means the discovery of how russocentric the view of the west was formed elites, including those who make political decisions, that is, all these people are shaped by ideas, shaped by a picture of the world that was reproduced for decades in

the textbooks of slavik staris russian studies , in which kyiv was the third city of russia of the empire, everything here and there, according to the expectation that this one is what he is in. why should he not move in three days, you understand, and not return to the bosom of the same russian empire. that is why we now have to rewrite all these textbooks , and very quickly and for yesterday what is changing now, well, these are all really changing, which means there is a change in the balance within all these councils in the old one, behind this former one, you mentioned the solitologists, they turned me on my favorite topic, because that’s exactly what it means with these people , so to speak. i had my own fights. they wrote stormy letters of protest to the editors of all the publications that published this article, and it was translated to us in

more than 20 countries. so, and now , it seems like there is a generational change of this russocentric to a new slavistic one, which i have already discovered for myself and where is the typical wait? and where is the slovenian culture ? and where is the slovak culture? where is the ukrainian culture? because in munich, since september 1, the ukraine instaris department has already started working, the first in general, the first in a german higher education institution, that is, in fact , these processes are going on, and they just need to be monitored , the war was necessary, the truth is that europe itself could not with its mind come to the point of needing to look at it, i would say the political

and cultural diversity of central europe, but a war was needed in order to start the entry of those processes that, well, so that the stupidity fell from my eyes, i use the term stupidity there for a reason in its longest journey, let this pro-russian nonsense sleep. and here it is all russian soap mmm and uh, and somehow the optics of the vision of european history have changed, and this process really somehow, well, it is gathering momentum uh, and in a word, preparing the west for the collapse of russia which a year ago did not seem like a hunt, but today it still means that they have already noticed the existence of these people, they still call us their smyk-minorites, which means that i think that a change of discourse should take place here, that this is not the property of

rita, but that it is characteristic of the population russia everyone these are the very regions of which it consists and which deserve a better fate than they had and have as part of the centralized empire centered on moscow, which is not subject to modernization , that is, the processes that are taking place here. they require a much higher intellectual readiness of ukraine. for example , here you you say there, we have international journalism. i want to have some, please , i mean, ukrainian analytics from the ukrainian point of view today, because of what is happening in the east of the west, a very centric view even if he is. well, he is still russian-centric, but even if he is, he is western-centric, but it's time to discover asia, africa and the world

as such. thank you oksana zabuzhko, the writer was on the air of the espresso tv channel at this hour . thank you for coming. to our studio. thank you, dear viewers, for being with us on this broadcast . now i only have to pass the word to my colleagues ania and melnyk, who will introduce you to the news of the day. i am vitaliy portnikov. i say goodbye to you until the next meetings. hi good luck, thank you, in this edition i will tell you with the news team about the most important, in particular, about the situation at the front, as well as why there are ongoing protests in paris near the house of the wife of the deputy of the ministry of defense of russia, not only about this , stay with us, i will start from the kherson region, an 80-year-old man died after