[000:00:00;00] after the end of the war in the summer of this year, it is unrealistic, therefore, in this regard, well, if it is not the peace plan of macron , it was to force vladimir putin's russia to think about the situation there and to withdraw the troops. china is next to other statements that the united states really did not like and the commentators talked about it , but it was from the call, forget about manuel macron, based on the results of his trip to china, they talked about the specifics of emmanuel macron's attitude to things rather than france because the foreign ministry of france was shocked, as they say, from such statements that the position on taiwan should be different from that of the usa, well

, that is, this is the hope of trans-atlantic unity - this is really not what is needed today, but i think that it is such there were curtseys in order to create good conditions for the visit and negotiations, because this was mainly done by the people around the french president in relation to the plans, well, if these are plans, as sarkozy's predecessor once went to georgia and said that it was necessary to submit and give up part of the territory. and now well where sarkozy and what does macron want to repeat his story ? i think not, that's why, in principle, i think that this episode should be a reaction to it , there was no hmm peace plan as such, nothing is known about it

, even to imagine that china and they wanted to put france at the table, they will not be able to do it because china cannot be a mediator, this was clearly evidenced by the absurd statements of the chinese ambassador to france regarding the doubt about the sovereignty of ukraine , and china cannot be a mediator, and france is unlikely to be able to force russia -e thus come to your senses only by sending powerful support to ukraine president macron by the way, we are grateful for this support is coming, including weapons, this time can be brought closer so when ukraine will win on the fronts and the isolation of russia will be strengthened, sanctions will be strengthened, then it will be possible to talk about president akron's plans a so far, i have not just constantly understood such a bubble, but you mentioned valeria, there is this statement of the chinese ambassador in

paris about uh-uh, also about sovereignty, about the fact that he does not recognize buchim, not fully, partially recognizes the sovereignty of some countries, including ukraine, and today there was an official statement from the ministry of foreign affairs of the chinese ministry of foreign affairs, where the representative of this department said that no, china recognizes it, and that's all in the documents, but i'm talking about this statement of the chinese ambassador. please tell me, returning to that what did we talk about emmanuel macron, the ambassador made such a statement, taking into account the statements made by macron, i don't think there is such a connection here, actually, why did you take seriously the statement of the chinese ambassador in france, he is quite well in such a car there a diplomatic chinese important person and one of his previous positions is the head of the analytical group in the central committee of the communist party of china on foreign issues, that is, he develops

the ideology of china's foreign policy activities, in addition to the fact that he was the ambassador there in semigallia and in canada, and this is not just a statement, it is something that is very much is spinning in the heads of the chinese chinese diplomacy, that is why what happened at the briefing is how the chinese ministry of foreign affairs declared that we do not know what it is about, but i will say that it is not appropriate, it is not appropriate, so there must be a fair decision in fact, the voluntary departure of this e-e specialist to china back, that is, i understand that the chinese will not do it right away, but after a while they will obviously do it because, well, if a person really declares things that are completely different from the official line of the ministry of foreign affairs from china, then it is necessary

to understand i think inside that it was a test. it was a test. and the fact that it is declared in france is also not a coincidence . chinese ambassadors do not do anything spontaneously . if they allowed it there, because in france, in european countries, it is hardly possible to conduct diplomatic work like this at all, by the way, in ukraine , it is not possible. to our press. also, you say you will evaluate the press, and our press writes the following . and why can the ambassador of china influence the ukrainian foreign ministry regarding the non -recognition of taiwan or the position of concealment

? the creation of a commission accordingly is not that there is a change in the official position, we do not allow a commission to be created in order to open issues on taiwan, which by the way , the government of the republic of china was just at the un, which is now in taiwan, and the people's republic of china arose in general, then the village does not want to mention it that they were not there at all once and ukraine was before the people's republic of china and the united nations and supported this step so that the people 's republic of china became a full member of the international community and now they want to return history within themselves. well, they will go this far. therefore, we need to have a very principled position, so i expect notes of verbal ukraine, if not sent, who else should be sent to china regarding this situation, the ambassador of ukraine in france reacted

this is good, but without a verbal note, you cannot get around this, this position must be clarified and the refutation as it sounded what you said from the spokeswoman in that form it sounded it is not enough that the question of the eighty meps who have now turned to the french ministry of foreign affairs with a letter remains open regarding the fact that we saw how to see that china does not accept this position and is against this position. well, i think that the ambassador can stay if there is an official offer, he can deny it, but it is better, the conflict has gone far beyond the scope, it is better that the central apparatus should do it, or just after a while, so that everything after all, he was replaced by another person, this was evidence of the attitude in this situation, mr. valery was not going to ask this question simply

based on what you just said. and there is some kind of diplomatic protocol, as i understand it . for example, if the ambassador of china in france made this statement, then there is a refutation from the leadership of the celestial empire that they do not agree at all with this statement of the ambassador , he can remain an ambassador after that , well, look, everything is done, of course, more delicately, here it is necessary. if we take international practice, every country wants to protect its ambassadors, this is correct, that is, it is necessary to find such a subtle solution so that, on the one hand, it was not an official position, on the other hand, if the work of this number is so appreciated in france, then find a solution so that he also adjusted his position somewhere, but right away you understand if it was just a theoretical consideration of some kind, he specifically insisted on this position when asked several times

. well, he is known for taking such a rather offensive line, but i will tell you that this is definitely his personal opinion, it is not a personal opinion . therefore, now all appeals are just before determining the official position of china and for us , it is very important because if the heads there are dominated by such considerations well, for example, crimea , it is unclear whose there khrushchev conveyed well, it is simply a contradiction directly to itself, that is once he was russian, and once he was whatever, that is, and vladivostok was once too, it is not known whether that is why it is an encroachment on the territorial integrity of russia, i don’t know what they are, what they think and how they think. we can, returning to the un, are members of the security council, a country that

did not directly give us guarantees there, did not vote for us there, but still joined there in the form of a letter to the guarantee of nuclear e-e safety, well, in the budapest memorandum i.e., many questions where we counted on and we are now hearing not only us , but the countries of the former soviet union there are hearing a completely different position. and you are a guarantee that this position will not become the basis for china's decisions tomorrow. that is, it is a very dangerous thing. therefore, we must call things by their names. by name, the official representative of china called into question the sovereignty of the countries with which china, in principle, has signed agreements, as well as with ukraine . partnerships in which it is possible to speak of a strategic partnership if

we do not clarify the position in this situation, so in fact i think that well, you are right to ask, there will not be such, uh , some quick tributes, but after a while we will still clarify the position of china, not because of any a brief statement by the spokeswoman, and this somewhat twisted one. and more clearly, because china’s actions are clear . valeriy , look, we talked about not peace plans, but peace initiatives. to move from this negotiation process, the prime minister of israel would repeatedly say that i am ready to mediate in the talks between putin and the president of ukraine

, volodymyr zelenskyi. it is necessary to prove the whole matter on the battlefield, and then start talking about possible negotiations, but for russia, in your opinion, because lavrov, for example, is already the minister of foreign affairs of russia i am changing my position a little bit. if earlier he also sat down and said there would be no negotiations until there and there are all kinds of adjectives in relation to the ukrainian government, until this government changes its position to the cop , the so-called special investigation will not achieve its success, now he is leaving the journalists and we say that yes, well, we are ready under certain conditions to start these negotiations or piskov dmitry piskov putin's spokesman says the same thing if earlier they said that there were no negotiations, only a special military operation and that's all now is the position changing, or is russia really, in your expert opinion, already starting to think about the fact that

it needs these negotiations for this position , the rumor is that they want ukraine to give up part of its territories and admit its inability and impossibility to talk about any other security structures there, such as nato accession, that is the so-called neutrality to recognize its own, to recognize russia's control over the ukrainian military component and the reduction of the armed forces and the location of weapons, well, there were a lot of women there and they that is, they want this, it is not that they wanted to negotiate there, they just want ukraine to take the positions that the ukrainian negotiating group announced in march , so that these positions were fixed. then they were not able to achieve this, although the ukrainian

side itself already spoke there about this topic then it didn’t work out, now they want to push , in principle, that’s their whole goal, i.e. to take more territory, putin openly says that when all the operations are already underway, he has already been asked many times, he once said yes what look at the territory, we have additional ones, well, such a purely gangster approach, they seized a robber in broad daylight, they seized a zaporozhye station, which is worth tens, if not hundreds of billions of dollars, they seized the territory of the most fertile black soil, that is, pure encroachment. that is, even then we will not come down to you gradually and maybe we will not shoot right away, there is no talk of a permanent peace, there is definitely no talk of it, because

leave them these bridgeheads and they will come after you that's always why well, everyone understands this. and those initiatives that the russians are simply she screams, let us get a foothold now, give us a break, it's burning, so what's burning and they really need it in order to increase their capabilities, then this pause for at least a few months, that's what they want well, in our case, it can be called the surrender of ukraine , that's why it's obvious, like a window, and now there's a difference, i don't see giving it all up, and then what to think about the fact that russia will not continue to act, it will continue to shell and will continue to try to destroy ukraine as a whole, russia's goal has remained unchanged, it is to completely subjugate ukraine , and how we have already seen how hitler entered, at first they did not shoot people, then they started shooting dozens and then it

just started as a genocide, and russia is now acting exactly the same way, so what kind of intermediaries there arise, they need to be asked a control question except whose and everything, and the number of mediators you have will decrease dramatically, mr. valery, i am afraid that if we ask this question to some mediators, they will answer что therefore, i do not know, there are such that's it, valery. please tell me. and as a continuation of this conversation about the russian reaction. how would you comment on the recent statement of yevgenia prigozhina, the founder of the wagner communist party, and he expressed many different opinions and opinions in this article, and one of them is that the russian leadership should put an end to special operations to be honest, i don't think it's appropriate to comment on a person with a criminal

past, what kind of war criminal is killing my fellow romanians now, but valeria, but this person does kill, she recruits her own citizens in order for them to come here and it still has some influence on the kremlin . i'm sorry. allow me not to comment on the statement about valeria. i'm sorry. sergei, sergey lavrov flew out of my head, uh, lately, for the past few months, he made several such diplomatic voyages at once. at first, he was, i don't remember in what sequence, he seems to have flown to asia , then an african voyage, and now he was er, in latin america, i was looking for friends everywhere and according to the reports

, i found again the same russian lack of mass disinformation, especially in latin america. tell me, please, mr. valery, are we not losing precisely in these regions to russia right now, precisely on the diplomatic front? look, we will lose or not, let's be objective in russia, there are really more resources in this regard, when their representative goes, they talk about gingerbread . that is, somewhere it is the supply of weapons, somewhere it is possible some programs for young students or in the field of medicine and humanitarian support well, in short, it is always about money, well, first of all, it is energy resources and weapons, that is, it is more difficult for us in this regard, but the situation that has developed for the work of diplomacy is quite very positive because

the truth is on our side and when it is so it is possible to balance this gap, therefore, in this case, we can say that the intensity of work even for lavrov, he travels a lot, is quite high, and this must be contrasted, at least in informational work, with a really adequately balanced position, because in these countries where did he go, including latin america? there is a certain vacuum in our activity. we had many statements regarding the possibility of africa and latin america, and unfortunately there are few adequate steps. i know that the ministry of foreign affairs deals with this there. -center. we are also trying to comply with this information work and countering

russian propaganda, but this is not enough . it should be a task coordinated at the level of various departments and non-governmental institutions. in general, the government does not deal with such things from the word, well, it does not deal with it at all. yes, we are losing now. what was this visit for? not all countries accepted lavrov. where he wanted, but where they accepted nothing good. for general comments on the assessment in the region, for us today there is no need for he really needs to clean up now what he messed up there, there were a lot of false statements , that is, regarding, for example, the 51st article of the un about the rights of the so-called hordes of self-defense against ukraine, well, he simply lied

directly and put it on paper they made an article. that is, it is written in black and white. the members of the un wave the truth in self-defense, that is, he and they have already formulated a system of lies, they themselves have already believed in it, and these noodles are being hung over the ears of the dictator of certain countries, so i am sorry that nicaragua is already there - you're unlikely to do anything to me. and brazil, where he was given the legitimacy of this visit, i'm very sorry that brazil is in such a position. i hope that ambassador volodymyr silva of the president of brazil, who is a very experienced ambassador and i worked for many years in the field of foreign policy, when he comes to us, i hope he will come, he will still come back to the boss himself, explaining the situation that it is not possible to make statements like these, which are being made now in brazil

. so, i really hope that the work in this country is simple we are intensifying the decree about sending ukraine to brazil and we will see it this week, i want to see it, well , we will have to see it, valery, look, uh, another piece of news that appeared today, the chief european diplomat, jose borel, said before at the beginning of the meeting of the ministers of foreign affairs of the european union about the fact that at this meeting and in the near future the ministers will not discuss the issue of introducing further anti-russian sanctions, in your expert opinion, they are simply putting it on pause. well , he added that the work is in progress, they are simply putting it on hold for some pause

. is this evidence that the european union is approaching some kind of limit? there is some limit, well, in the european union, it is a completely inadequate task of sanctions - this way will force the aggressor to stop if the chosen line is gradual introduction, because if the un sanctions are also there, for example, as a rule, in such cases, the bar was applied, and here such a gradual transition to sanctions on individual e -e supply of goods, and so it turns out that somewhere around 62 billion worth of exports came from these countries, plus there japan went to russia in a year, this is a long time ago if they have a ceiling on sanctions, as they say, let them

introduce an embargo and make them change ideologically the approach that will actually be in international responsibility, why did it go so gradually, this is the american approach , the prevention of sanctions, we then gradually introduce it, it was absolutely correct in its basic question, right before, wrong in this situation, in such a war, a large-scale war is dragging the burden on all goods, i.e., what he did before, so the eu probably needs to change, then the ideology means entering the barge, what is currently being discussed at the group of seven , and then after that, exceptions are made for the food group, for the medical group with humanitarian issues, i.e. and all this talk about some kind of ceiling, well, listen, then. well, what kind of ceiling are you talking about if the war in the center of europe is in a heated phase and has not yet stopped. that is, it is necessary to act now, right now, act as decisively as possible, and i say this as

a wish. i understand that it won't happen tomorrow, but if you don't start this discussion now, this is the european machine , it takes a long time to adjust itself, that's why i propose a solution , i.e. to end these talks on groups of sanctions , and to turn the whole pyramid upside down, i.e., an embargo on oil and gas already are ready for these issues and for other groups, first of all, those who help russia to fight, well, to finance the war, so that even then it will be possible to vote on sanctions in a completely different way, and i completely agree with you mr. valery , considering that in europe just recently, everyone has taught each other about the fact that one country got rid of russian gas, someone got rid of it, that is, if an embargo is introduced, it will not cost them anything at all. but it will really be such a

serious, well, a real blow to russia maybe maybe it will be easier, i will explain why again. when you are a bank, and then , for example, some country says, let's make an exception anyway. i will not apologize. and about uh -e limits, that is, about the possibility of reducing this pressure, what should be done , that is, the pressure must first be maximum, the supply of weapons must be maximum, and then the exclusion, that is, for example , the supply of weapons supplies me with weapons of mass destruction. it is clear. everything else is clear. we supply materials. you do not have any information that the ukrainian authorities have raised the question of the embargo. or maybe they are raising it or are planning to raise it. well, i state that publicly we see this discussion by the seven countries of the leading economies

of such an issue raising the issue of the embargo and then ruling it out, i have not yet completed it , we will see what happens at the meeting of the seven, but if it happens, the eu may be further, because after all, the countries of the european union also go to the seven the most important economies are clear p valery and the last question to you due to lack of time we already have only a little more than three minutes maybe three please tell me your vision of the future of the grain agreement because the g7 said that they do not want to put pressure on russia and in russia they have already answered that if gseven will put pressure on us, we will completely break this agreement, well, the agreement itself is important, it is a little strange during such a large-scale war , but this was the case in history, in my opinion, everything depends to a greater extent on the results of the elections in turkey, that is, after all, on president dan, who is not just a party to the agreement from

turkey, but also, well, to such geologists of this approach, hmm, whether he remains or there will be another president depends a lot on the approaches of russia. here is the second a party to their agreements between russia and turkey, the personal contacts of the president are good with the russian leader, so i believe that this factor will have the greatest impact on the future prospects . well, the issue will remain difficult in the future regarding the supply, in the conditions of war, of some about decisions on certain groups, this is a very dangerous thing, because in the future russia will demand and is already demanding the supply of ammonia to odesa, its ammonia through our odesa, there are a lot of new demands, the lifting of sanctions from banks, that is, there will be blackmail

to increase in relation to this. so there is absolutely a positive side here, but there are also many risks, many pitfalls . moreover, in fact, until now, this transit through the black sea is before the strikes of the russians. the supply of grain across the black sea under the protection of the military component. that is, it is more reliable than this. waiting for how russia will behave. i understand. thank you very much, mr. valery, for participating in today's program. thank you very much for the fas and professional answers to my questions. plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019, i talked with him today about the most important things that happened during the past week and will possibly happen this week.

there are still a few things that i have to do at the end of the program to summarize the results simply and simply , 1,138 people are watching on youtube right now on a tv channel specially created for our program and 286 people answered the question that i asked today, namely, russia presides over the radbezion through there are three options for answers due to the indifference of the world 61% think so fear of the kremlin the world's fear of the kremlin 31% well , your option is eight percent your option comments can all be read in the comments after the program airs well, what at this point, due to lack of time, i am forced to finish this program. i will remind you that we will meet next monday at the usual time at approximately 12:13. it is obvious that there will be new topics, as well as new guests. but i am sure that it will also be interesting with these guests, as it was today. well, that's all for me, but our