[000:00:00;00] what were the swedish words and already there with the instructors and our instructors grew up there from them and the swedes say it will be necessary to leave someone from yours to continue teaching your next let's say so the groups that will come and our foreign partners saw it as we quickly learn that we we dream of doing it, and then how do we apply it on the battlefield effectively, that is, not just up there in the sky , you know, like in a penny, but really clearly , we get the first two two heimers installations. we received 24 missiles in all, this was deliberately to see how intelligently we are capable apply, choose the right targets, you know, don’t pour in. this is how it’s done with a 152 caliber there according to the soviet system. and like a surgeon, take a scalpel and thinly, thinly, in the very need, in the city, he makes an incision in the same way here in the specific place of inflicting lesions. and

this led to the adoption of the following decisions in favor of ukraine, three axes, 3 sevens, triple sandal, in what way, what were the words , when did you make it clear or frankly said, here they will be guns for you, honestly, i can't remember the exact words anymore, i remember for sure rather emotions because every time when i asked something new from our partners, every time i heard the answer no or it is impossible or not now and or altogether leaving well, that is, avoiding a direct answer, but starting from the things i asked for in november 2021 and i was told no, it is impossible, legally impossible, politically impossible in january, we can pass them stingers were brought from lithuania, by the way , from our lithuanian friends, but with the consent of the americans, and then every time i was told

no, for me it meant yes, but tomorrow here and then here, you know, it is interesting to see the smile of the same mr. lloyd austin when he says oleksiy, we have made a decision, we will give you some kind of weapon there, and i can see from his face that he is holding such a face, that means he is emotionally restrained, but i saw his smiling eyes because he knows that he and i talked there a couple of months before and the answer was no and now it is but but but nothing says that we thought and changed our minds always it already sounds so serious this decision has been made you will get such and such the number of studies we start then that means that yes and so on what do you know strictly a little strictly reserved but actually well i already feel him maybe there are acquaintances and well and i saw that he is us the whole truth he is happy he is happy for us because he is definitely rooting for us, and this is without a doubt, elio is still not mark milli, he is real. they really support ukraine , don’t forget, they are also military professional loyalties. the general is also very well-known and spent

a period of civilian life there before he was appointed to the position of minister, because in they also demand that the civilian minister must have civil -democratic control. at least five years have passed for him. and before he stopped being a military man, but still, the bone of a general is military. well , he remains in him. as a professional, he is happy with the success he has on our front. look, three sevens became a turning point in the negotiations. when they actually unblocked the flow of western weapons for ukraine, but the heimers, at least that's what experts say, became a real threat to ukraine. on the battlefield, they violated logistics, they destroyed certain decision-making points there, as the opponents of ukraine like to say, and ukraine hoped and even western experts expressed such optimism that even more

powerful ammunition with a larger radius will be given to ukraine and all those mcs, well, those called otakantsev in the people, why did they stop? they are still not there, is there any hope for them at all? first of all , i will respond to the thesis that the real real kim changer was the hymers. i do not agree with the experts, but the experts did not investigate the situation which was before that the game changer was first of all the provision of 155 mm artillery to us . e of eastern europe, the former socialist camp, those who were also armed at the time, the countries of the warsaw pact, 152 mm or 122nd, there are our friends

, slovaks, poles, czechs, bulgarians, romanians , all factories are capable of producing a maximum of 50,000 per month, the maximum is multiplied by 12 and you get 600 thousand per year, respectively, if you have two caliber 152 122, then in half 300 and 300 per year, and an intensive build-up of hostilities , for example, by the russians, along the entire front line, when it was longer during the day, they poured up to 60,000 shells on the heads of ukrainian defenders of different calibers of different types of all kinds 152 - 122 120th there is 80th and so on 60,000 per day just think about the answer we also tried to hold the front and what we had was 20,000 per

day but now multiply by 10 days 200,000 30 600,000 days, that is, in a month, with a frugal approach, what europe can produce in a year, this means that it was clear to me already in march. with my deputies, especially volodymyr, you were told and we talked about it, then with mr. valery , he left that we should look for an alternative, because if we have completely run out of shells and our artillery could not enter a counter-battery fight and this means that the dominance of their artillery, the destruction of our fortifications , all the fortifications, they are on the offensive and everything and there is nothing to stop them, because when we got 155 mm and began to conduct a contour battery fight and destroy their artillery and changed the dominance on the field , there were artillery, not only that, the artillery of the 155th allowed instead of 10 shots, square nests, as the military say, and with two shots to inflict damage at a distance of 30 km up to 40 with good projectiles, that's what became the changer's anthem , the experts just said something about it is bad

, they did their homework, let 's say mercedes is the second factor. operations in certain directions, and primarily in kharkiv oblast and kherson oblast, because it really allowed us to harvest at a distance where they were not ready, command posts and additional ammunition, well, ammunition stocks and this and so, to destroy the logistics chains, simply pull them back when we they began to consider 30-40 artillery pieces, it was the same, they pulled back for 40 km, then for 80, now they pulled back for 120 km. well, it means that the russians are learning that way, actually, and this complicates their logistics. now we need something for 150 and more, which concerns such and such several factors, first - it is uh, 300 km of the possibility

of damage and it worries our partners that it remains unfortunately, the factor of the so-called next level of escalation, but they, there is something there from the point of view not to reach the next level of complexity with the russians, although every time we tell them yes, where even more? well, they are terrorizing ukraine, they are shelling critical infrastructure objects with mass rocket attacks, they tried to plunge you into the dark in the cold in the winter, leave without heat, no water, no drainage, no sewerage, nothing. and the ukrainians answered: no water, no heat, no light, the main thing is without you, and we stood with you, and that is why there is also constant progress, they forget that any decision made by our partners, any friendly it is still accepted by the country on the basis of the internal order. day of new countries

. what is the mood of the population? governments, prime ministers, presidents, and so on, that's why every time they make this or that decision, they make an internal comparison of how the country's partners will react to it, because it is very important for them to preserve the unity of the two alliances, nato and the european union , the russians calculated very, very heavily for the fact that there will be no unity, they will tear these two unions into confetti, and by eight-pointing in turn, this way will reduce the possibility of supporting ukraine, the calculation was for gas to europe there, germany there, and so on, yes, oil, money, and everything else, and fortunately this did not happen today, nato countries are so united except for one that is sitting there , a shtcho-bricher, we will talk about them and the very great unity of the european union and this is the calculation of the russians that did not work, but every time when the partners

make some kind of decision, they they have it, well, conditionally speaking, talk to communicate with other partners. do they support this approach and, accordingly, will it give a plus ? everyone is talking about such a thing. balan - there was news that washington and ukraine had made some concessions, but they did not attack, but they received boeing guided bombs, which are capable of hitting the prices for 150 km. if i am not mistaken , what is with them now? yes, these are new developments, that is, the main thing is that the political decision is made and financed . you need to read the announcement of the americans correctly about providing us with another aid package

. immediately and now something will be transferred from the warehouse for this amount that is indicated and according to the list that is announced when other abbreviations sound, it means that it is given to the manufacturer by order, purchased and within a certain period of time will be delivered or removed from the a warehouses to replace what was delivered, but everything one thing must be in order not to lose their defense capability, that's why there are many things that if you check those packages, they are in the process of preparation and transfer according to the terms, do you understand if this is hidden information? and i'm just not ready right now, i don't remember because in me there are so many deadlines in my head for each position and i will tell you more, some even not only for the 23rd, even for the 24th year, there are already certain orders for us, is it because they look so optimistically at ukraine or are they

ready to prepare for a long war? i think that we are talking about the fact that they consciously and pragmatically understand that the end of even this war this year does not mean that it is logical that the russians will sit down together in some other development of elon mask and fly into space from us, they will remain ours with you neighbors, this means that they will remain a threat in nato's strategy, which was approved at the madrid garden, a 10-year goal has been determined that one of the main one of the main threats to nato is russia. today, ukraine demonstrated to the whole world that we are the only ukraine in the world that has real combat experience , not theoretical and practical, how can you stop the russians, beat the russians and throw them out of our lands using e-e, including western models of weapons, which means that there has already

clearly realized that you and i are the eastern shield europe, you and i are the eastern shield of the nato countries of the european countries, and this means that it is in their interests to provide us technically at least, that is, in terms of weapons and other things related to weapons, so that we hold this shield, this defense, if you recall all the known fantasy films about the war with the orcs, we are this wall that holds the borders with the orcs, and therefore it is logical that we need to think about what weapons we will have tomorrow, too, so that we can maintain this defense in terms of ammunition . when did you become a minister? - well, practically in in a straight sense, they came to a burnt field , er, balaklia, before that, svatove, kalynivka, ichnya, er, well, to be honest, the ukrainians laughed a little at the fact that the russians who were involved thought that it was some kind of

negligence. reasons, but if, well, in fact, the warehouses were destroyed, a large amount of ammunition, which is so necessary today, would have been destroyed if there was no ramstein or if he was not so successful, how much would the resource be , how much would ukraine last, very dramatically there would be a uh-final on ammunition. we would already be fighting guerrilla wars with you in the summer using small arms and so on. began to receive western ammunition, plus they continued and continue to help us bring ammunition and soviet ozerets too, but the number of them is different, this allowed us to make this replacement an alternative. when they began to use the same 155 mm artillery, which

allowed us to reduce the resource of using 152 or 122 caliber since january, the entire world press. simply, all the largest publications in the world, in one way or another through the mouths of experts or their analysts, talk about the counteroffensive , everyone is waiting for it, everyone knows that it will be ukraine and the official position is that it will defend every centimeter of its land, conquer and return it, and so in this way, ukraine sees its victory and here president zelenskyi says that we cannot yet because there is a lack of weapons, what are the prospects, what do your colleagues who are participating in these negotiations say, as he says general mark melnyk when you have a war, you always lack something. this is absolutely logical and it is f and naf, of course. we thank our partners for supporting us sincerely and we

consult with them about our plans, including the counter offensive . for some reason, i believed this counteroffensive, because before that we did it in kharkiv oblast, kherson oblast, and before that in kyiv oblast, chernihiv oblast, and sumy oblast, and the russians demonstrated to the whole world what they are called the iron of good will, so we are preparing for the next gestures of goodwill and how it was, including on the island of the snake, including and so on , but uh, a serious outline, offensive operations require the availability of not only human resources, but also in terms of quantity, but also in terms of quality, that is , boys and girls. it is necessary to prepare and train those who uh will be used where in those directions and armed accordingly, that is why we absolutely pragmatically count the number of e-e weapons, armored vehicles, tanks and other necessary items of ammunition for each

unit. that we are not ready yet, because we are waiting for you to give us more. the key difference between ukrainians and russians is, first of all, the nation as a whole, as well as the military-political leadership. for us , human life is the highest value , which means that the life of our soldiers, our defenders, is our highest value. value our task is to win back our territories while saving the lives of boys and girls, and the russians do not have such an approach, they use their military personnel as cannon fodder , it uses the tactics of a meat grinder and waves we are throwing them here in bakhmut, it is already the seventh month, a year has passed, they are scraping something from the subway there, and at the same time they are putting hundreds of

people a day, on average, beyond our estimates. for a day, just think about the wagnerites, the criminals, those freed convicts there, and just military servicemen, here we go , they put them, they put them, they put them, we have a different approach. that's why we need weapons of sufficient quantity and quality to even go to the contour naz saving lives minimizing our losses it is very important for us every soldier must be prepared you have when he has skills such as how to own these weapons and morale is imposed on it so our soldier becomes er effective and invincible among the stumbling blocks at first there were ppu systems today we we already know that ukraine will get petriv the most expensive systems in the world, which are probably on the military equipment market in general, but there is still one more stumbling block in the air -

this is aviation, planes and fighter jets, and what to do with them they say, are there any prospects at all, the pilots are training, but there are no planes, so you are absolutely right, and the priority . when we communicate, according to the lists of needs, we always say priority, the number one priority was and remains air defense air defense systems, we say this at the level of the president of the prime minister, at my level, the head of the office, the head of our mfa , my colleagues, we all say that the number one priority is r-difensystems, because we must first of all protect our villages, cities, and civilians, and therefore even one patriot one of the installations there or the system will not be enough, there should be more of them there, we need to cover our sky, the presence of various systems of short, medium and long-range damage does not mean that the sky will be 100% closed

, because there is an air defense system in the form of an air defense there patriots attacked themselves, cheetahs, including the so-called e-e manpads , yes, bring there anti-aircraft missile complexes , stingers, pyrones, needles, arrows, and so on, but an important element of the air defense component. there are aviation platforms, there are airplanes that the fighter plane is capable of shooting down iranian drones, cruise missiles, and our pilots know how to do it, they have proven it, they do it even using the old soviet mig-29, we have a unique pilot. therefore , it is very important for us to have a modern four plus or four plus plus generation of modern aircraft

that use radar eyes will see the target far away and be able to hit it , well, as far as possible, that is why we are negotiating with a partner that we need such an air-based platform there, a combat aircraft, whatever you want to call it of course, ideal it would be f-16 why, firstly, it is a modern model 4+ and so on, they have modifications there , secondly, there are many f16 aircraft in different countries , that is, all partners have them, and this will mean that in the event of a decision to form an aviation coalition like tankova coalition, artillery coalition, and so on, each country will be able to support us with three , five, ten planes

, maintenance, spare parts, and so on. saab is also a modern platform very interesting. i think our pilot would also like them very much. well, thirdly, it is already european, there are wonderful products, it's the rafale and the eurofighter, and so on, typhoons, and so on , but in principle the decision is delayed by aircraft for certain reasons and i think that they are not even so political as , again, pragmatically technical and so it is the most expensive system, even compared to tanks, maintenance of the aircraft, provision of spare parts, engineers and so on and so on, this means if the partners make a decision give we have planes , they will understand that they will pay for this from their budgets and they need to calculate their

capabilities . we will start using missiles, so these years we will have to replenish their reserves. and this is money and very big money , that is, then we will not be talking about hundreds of millions, but about billions every time. stops us from making decisions because we already have positive signals about the possibility of conducting training missions and, accordingly, making a decision in which it can be, which new platform it can be, but then there is the issue of spare parts , maintenance of training. and the most important thing is the very important word which they use suspenba, that is, how to translate it correctly stable mouth o cool correctly stable stable mode of support to provide for example, the americans in may

for last year they gave three sevens each of the day, they take care of spare barrels, spare parts of oil, there is gas, what should we continue to support these three sevens, we will get them for their money, you understand, that is, they behave very, very decently, if they have already influenced the decision to give some type of weapon, they support it, therefore, making a decision is not easy for politicians the tanks of the tank coalition of the leopard had not yet been shot , and moscow was already on fire. tell me what happened behind the scenes of this tank battle. the world was watching it , and every ukrainian, well, every ukrainian came to know about the leopards and abram did not even dream of everything. this is an interesting interesting topic. so, uh, we convinced them for a long time about tanks as well as about airplanes, and for a long time the partners did not agree, and

when i realized that they did not agree because we could not convey to them why do we need tanks, modernity is meant because the answer it was always very simple, guys. yes, you have a sufficient number of tanks, aunty. well, there are mainly soviet t-72s. you have them in your reserves, plus your partners gave you a lot. when uh, it became clear hmm i say at well, not at one meeting, even at several meetings, i say friends. look, soviet tanks shoot with 125 caliber, it is not manufactured in ukraine , and it is no longer manufactured at your factories either, the warsaw country well, they stopped making 125 caliber because they switched to modern tanks of the nato model where there is a 120 caliber and it is already difficult-difficult-difficult-difficult to get 125 and this means that the tanks will remain and steel and there will be no shooting

, therefore we ask you to make a fundamental decision to transfer ukraine to the main battle tank 120 caliber and now let's see what type of tanks there are most of all in the world, of course it became clear that most of all leopards were released and they are in many countries, first leopards first 105 caliber and then to the second leopard 120 caliber and the previous minister also saw kristina lamberg as the minister of defense of germany. she also came to visit me and i met her in odesa and we had good relations. in spanish, with the spanish minister, they provided their 10 leopards that were stationed in latvia, and the latvian defense minister says i will provide a range of instructors and on the spanish leopards we will teach ukrainian tankers, i say let 's start teaching, then someday a decision will be made, ah, my colleague says mrs. khrystyna

says no if you we will allow the training, this means that we will be obliged to give you tanks later, and we politically cannot accept this decision, we still have this doubt about the second world war , german tanks cannot be the first to be in ukraine until the partners make a responsible decision, it must be the decision of the alliance. and here we are, allegedly, leaning against this wall, and then i had to talk with the polish minister, marius blaschenko, and the french minister , mr. ben volytsy, mr. molodomostinu, these are the four key players with whom i held negotiations and we explain this situation , and we went to the format when our polish friends say, we are ready to give our leopards to the ukrainians, give the germans permission, and this was done by a public statement of the president, because dudy, if i am not mistaken, even in lviv under the time of his visit to ukraine in parallel and p. sebastian hospital convinced president macron and he makes a public announcement

that he shakes president zelenskyi's hand and gives immx french light tanks and he does not need anyone's consent in parallel as our president, the british challengers are ready to defend uh, it means independence , the inviolability of ukraine on the battlefields of the russian-ukrainian war. we are ready to start training courses, and american friends say well, abrams, too we are preparing a service battalion. yes, it is necessary to prepare complex systems and we are coming to rammstein . the newly appointed boris pishtorius, the new minister of defense, the second day only in the office, as he says, only appointed and says , well, we haven’t made a decision yet and what were we planning to do, says my friend well, we are already

teaching ukrainians, by the way, to napoleon in the french are already giving germany the poles are ready, the americans are ready we are also ready, at least let's start with the training missions, here we have tightened up at least the training missions of the leopards and the germans said well, okay training missions, we will surely agree that other countries will allow them to conduct these training missions on the leopard and at the end of this meeting, rammstein is already there with the closing speeches, er, loydostein gives me the floor and i say thank you to everyone for such a busy day, and it seems to me that today i can already hear how the leopards growl, here i am that's for sure, this quote was in english, rowen means the leopards growled, everyone laughed, well, positively, and mr. borys pratsov understood that yes, hmm, there are no options, and literally , after a couple of days, i understand, he returned and chancellor scholz, well, politically, they are polina , and the decision was announced that

the leopards will be as soon as we said the leopards will be the second , a tank coalition immediately began to form and the germans became interested in being leaders and they began to pull the netherlands, the swedes , the spanish into the portuguese, the canadians all said we are a bit of a land of leopards, and the leopards will already say that, and the leopards are the first , too. we are ready. this is how the tank coalition was born . the flag is very interesting. everything about the leopard is talked about a lot about the abrams. well, everyone knows that they will be somewhere in the fall, uh, at the end of the summer. at the beginning of autumn, so what will they do, what functions will they perform on the battlefield, but the ukrainians do not fully understand that from what i managed to read in the western press, it seems that the americans will remove those parts of the armor that contain the impoverished such will not provide uranium ammunition with a collective memoran that can hit such armor is for well and the explanation is that they are nobody when they are exported tanks they are always removed by some secret