[000:00:00;00] yes no tetenticnost - it was built on the victory in the second world war, it did not develop around it crazy completely civil religion that was encouraged by the kremlin, but in fact it did not create this remote control of the dead, tying st. george's ribbons , remembrance of the feats of grandfathers and from it , born from below, not the fall of the kremlin, here this is the immortal pole, which the kremlin then privatized in its own political interests and used. well, it actually died completely after february 24 , after the russian full-scale aggression against ukraine, there is no single war, it has definitely completely reset the memory of the second one, and the second world war ceased to be common , russian society has divided again, including in relation to the aggression against ukraine, and primarily because of this aggression

, this is not a common identity. again, the family memory is a special part of the russian people, and people who are used to believing the official or simply following the official stupidly without turning their head, they will understandably continue to do this somehow due to inertia to participate in the way of advice and so on. well, even initiatives from below are dangerous. with what portraits will they go to this immortal regiment? whom are they going to carry on red square? and suddenly there will be veterans from the russian side, there will be too many of them and there will be conversations about in reality, how many people died on the russian side in this war? and if ukrainian veterans are brought out, if someone and some positions are brought out photos of ukrainian soldiers who are defending their country from

russian military aggression, how will they be calculated? what to do with people, and then some videos will appear. and so on, that's why aa explains everything with the usual security considerations , they are blocking any non-called initiatives because they are already in a position to control them. militaristic power as in the soviet union . and for the demand, what would you do yourself, it doesn't matter in support of the government or against it? because, well, some things public consciousness is not able to withstand without changing, the deputy was sitting for 9 years , ivan, thank you very much for joining kefir, thank you and you

preobrazhensky, a russian political scientist from prague , an expert on central eastern europe , was with us directly in connection, thank you valeria subotina, the defender of azov became known on the call sign nava was one of those who were released from russian captivity on april 10. valeria, a writer from mariupol , joined the azov regiment back in 2015, and after of the full-scale invasion, she was among those who were in azovstal during the blockade and married the border guard andrey suboten, but her husband died two days later, valeria herself ended up in polony and spent 327 days there. the first - after her release, the interview was recorded by the correspondent of the present time, yulia zhukova how would you write one day in captivity? i would say that this is the whole time, it was one day, this is waiting, this is one continuous waiting

of life, we constantly talked about the fact that we remained in the abyss, we did not return from there. died there with our boys and girls, our souls remained there with them. and now i would say that we have not returned from captivity, because until all of our people return from captivity, we are still there and still are. if we had not tried to live life to the full these two weeks, we we can live with it with full satisfaction while they are there one day in captivity, no if in one word it is waiting, only waiting and all where did you find this strength that gave you this strength to endure 327 days in captivity i would say so the russians could not do

anything else with me pick up they took in everything to me was my husband andrii who died in the ashes of whom i love infinitely because i cannot talk about him about him in the past because for me he exists and he will continue to exist they took him from me they took my home from me and it gave me an understanding of what's worse for me they can't do, just no way i was absolutely not afraid of death because death is what could save me from suffering for what could bring me closer to him and in captivity gave me the strength to survive what i have to meet with him

by my parents, this understanding gave me the strength to survive, gave me the strength to fight, gave me the strength to wait for this exchange, of course, for sure. they didn't tell me that they couldn't bury him, i can't come to his grave. it must have broken me a bit, but i understood that i had to return to them so that they would be waiting for me here. he and i got married last night and we will celebrate in our own way, he dreamed of seeing me in a white dress, he told us behind bars i'm sorry that

you didn't have one, i'll have a dress if i didn't know this, it would be strange for someone, but i always dreamed of him in a taganrose i dreamed that he was in mariupol, staying on these destroyed azov. he said i am here with the boys. i am fine , but he said why don't you buy yourself a white dress now there is a place to buy one and he has to see me in it from there now i am still talking to him looking to heaven and still believe that he is will return in captivity, it was difficult to realize his death . it was very difficult. i understand what else i supported in captivity, and that video. i haven't watched it yet, which was recorded, and our last conversation was so strange. and he ran to me, and i told him that he

must i must have survived. he told me to get out of here if possible. and it's boring, well, they promised me that, i promised him to get out , he promised me to survive, and i haven't looked at him yet, i don't even remember what i said there, but i talked about my pain, but yes did not talk much about him, about what he is a real hero, he is a hero of ukraine for me and for everyone and for our entire country, and in captivity i thought that i should come out and say about it that he helped evacuate the wounded , that he found one of the bunkers where the children were and looked for he made a lot of food for them as a ukrainian officer that i am proud of him in the couple they call on not to allow russian belarusian athletes to

the olympics under any conditions such calls were heard in strasbourg during the session of a pair of public hearings regarding the exclusion of athletes from these countries from participating in the olympics in the opinion of the chairman, the shadow of coke does not underestimate the power of sports, and the admission of russians and belarusians to the olympic games next year, quote, contradicts the mission of the olympic movement to promote peace, instead, it serves the propaganda goals of the aggressor, end of quotes earlier, more than 35 countries signed a statement on international support for ukraine and called for it that the citizens of russia and belarus should not be admitted to the competition, even as neutral individuals separately, these statements were joined by ian hidalgo, the mayor of paris, the city that will host summer olympic games in 2024, she repeatedly stated that russian and belarusian athletes will not be welcomed in paris until the bombs continue to fall on ukraine. representatives of the mog who were present at the hearings in strasbourg

responded to all the statements of the members of the pairs that sports should not be politicized. and athletes should be given the opportunity to perform regardless of their nationality , the assembly noted that the international olympic committee and the sports movement as a whole are changing the position they took on february 24 last year and now prefer the idea of ​​giving a part of russian and belarusian athletes the opportunity to participate in international competitions, while other countries continue to strongly object to this, the people's deputy and the head of the permanent delegation of ukraine join the air maria vecher, good evening, my greetings, i sincerely congratulate you, and what are the chances of russian belarusians athletes to get to the olympic games and actually in paris next year, from what and from whom will this decision be left,

did you listen to the couple today, do you know eh we we continue to be in debates, and in ukraine it is already late in the evening. we work here until 3-4 p.m. every day, and what i heard from the specialized committee where they met. how did you see our colleagues, the people's deputies and yevgenia kravchuk, yuliya ovchinnikova and other partners from 45 countries it was a very heated discussion , an ardent discussion, and it was clearly on the side of adequacy. let me remind you that 1.5 months ago, the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe used its technical legal right, and we with many

colleagues, on the initiative of the head of the polish delegation, registered the following statement, which was already published on the website of the party, and today's debates confirmed that, in principle , the parliamentarians hold the position that we can no longer separate politics and sports, and i, as the vice president, second of the largest political force, the christian democrats , helped our leader prepare for his speech, and these are also polish colleagues, and he stated the absolutely clear position that athletes are now being used , who are sometimes soldiers at the same time of the russian army and uh, you know a lot of uh, you can discuss on this background, but neither culture, nor sports, nor language, nor songs, nor other uh, ways means uh, of such a composition that

you can't directly feel it, you know, it's not from war, on the contrary, russia is very clearly trying to use this as the fulfillment of other rights and freedoms, and the ukrainian people are a great example of this , including ukrainian children, so we will continue to raise and connect these issues with the ongoing mass deportations of ukrainians since 2014 and a powerful resolution which will be voted on by the couple as the first organization on planet earth that works on human rights and not only that, but also the issue of weapons is raised here, you see, the issue of sports and inclusion in the olympic games, were we pleased when we saw uh at the beginning of

russia's aggression, does this mean that it's called a beast-reksha - 0 reactions to russian athletes who continued to support the government, who continued to call for the fact that crimea is russia, for example, and the european court of human rights established is not er russian territory a crimean-ukrainian has always been and remains. we are waiting for its de-occupation, and it has recently been stated that the aggression began in 2014 , so you know everyone there, who took a picture with whom, who was allowed to carry the flag or not, all these things. they become absolutely secondary. the plan when all day today all yesterday i guarantee you including friday in our assembly in pairs will be heard glory to ukraine issues of human rights and the rights of ukrainian children will be raised and today we are united as

never before it is an important task for us that this topic it was not for ee it was frozen, we will use our meetings, for example in may - this is a powerful forum and which will be held in iceland at the level of the heads of states and governments, it will be dedicated to the tribunal for crimes of aggression, a compensation mechanism for ukrainians and a registry of losses for each ukrainian family, we are sure behind the scenes we can work with the minister of foreign affairs - i hope we will hear good news from you too, maria, thank you for your comprehensive answer. thank you for joining the broadcast. maria mezentseva, people's deputy and a teacher, a permanent member of the delegation of ukraine in a couple, thank you for that, we will conclude with such were the main events, we shared the events of tuesday, april 25, daria worked for you, what a family, the whole

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. greetings, dear friends, tv viewers, vasyl zima, this is the worldview program on the tv channel espresso today we will talk about a very important matter and an important thing that is now possible for many and irrelevant , but the relevance will become obvious after a while , especially after ukraine wins or in any case in some other way achieves peace on its territory throughout its territory within the borders of 1991, i will talk about the demographic crisis in ukraine, which actually already exists, about what it can be and whether or not ukrainians will return to ukraine. i mean those ukrainians who left our country after february 24 last year, of course, because of the great war, because this is a serious problem

, it must be discussed . you can always win the first victory when you won, but actually you lost because you don't have more resources, the possibilities of everything else ukraine must not only win, but must make itself people returned to ukraine and built a new state, a state for which thousands of hundreds of thousands of ukrainians at the front and in the pro-front territory are shedding their blood and giving their lives with us . last week, the united nations announced that there are a lot of statistical data, we will announce them during the meeting .

of the statistics announced by the representatives of the united nations. they said that according to their estimates , there are approximately 36 million citizens of ukraine, 36 million ukrainians , let's start with that, the figure of 36 million, in your opinion, is it adequate, inadequate, and uh, is such a population enough in a country in which there is even a big war going on in order to ensure this country 's viability let's say this, you know when it comes to ukraine and population estimates uh, i always have a question about what borders we are talking about the borders of 1991, this is one situation, if it is about the borders of 22, it is a second situation , if it is about borders, well, let's say the current ones, that is, about the territory under the control of the ukrainian authorities. this is the third situation. what are we talking about

when we evaluate the population is 36 million, and in this publication, which really made it public, there is a lot of it, which is surprising, let's say first of all, the total birth rate for the 22nd year is 1.3, while the state statistics service for the 21st year is 1.1. well, what about us grew up birth rate well, somehow it's so sad, that is, the average life expectancy is too high for me, let's say men are 68 years old. well, somehow i think something is less, and there are a lot of questions about this publication, so to be honest , i don't know what to comment here. well, but you agree with something somewhere approximately 36 million ukrainians may now be of value yes yes currently less and what is your figure if

we are talking about the borders of the 22nd year then less i think that somewhere around 34 well actually we are now going to talk about a very important thing i don't know if it is now voiced by representatives authorities, first of all, i mean the government, maybe the specialized committees of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. i haven't seen it, but this is a problem that will arise with the return of ukrainians so that we can ensure the viability of our state, because we perfectly understand, first of all, that people are needed for work, in order to pay taxes , in order to provide life and rebuild ukraine, no one will do this instead of ukrainians, despite even the funds that we believe our partners will transfer to us, but the issue is another matter, the return of ukrainians will mean the belief that ukraine will be reborn, will be different, will be a strong great state, because if people do not return, then this faith in many people will disappear. and now i will voice the statistics, they are somewhat fresher, that is, they

were previously processed and provided to the public by mass media - this is the institution of the future they evaluated the migration processes and attitudes , the new image marketing group company conducted a certificate on behalf of the ukrainian institute of the future, so according to the data of this survey , it is march, if i am not mistaken according to the data of this survey 36% of ukrainians have relatives who left abroad after february 24 of last year definitely plan to return home 30%, if we consider that now by law there are approximately 10 million ukrainians, well, according to various estimates, plus or minus, but there are approximately 10 million ukrainians, three or six percent - that's almost 4 million e-e citizens. well, in principle, it's not a lot . and another 32% may return. if there is work and it will be safe, then the issue of work , financial support and security for people , as i see it, is in the first place and it is clear, uh, 14% is unlikely, because they are already starting to settle in a new place. well, 10% have not decided unequivocally yet. 10% is approximately

1 million of our citizens. these are the statistics, and i want to tell you that by tracking these attitudes of our citizens abroad, this the statistics are increasing in the pluses of how many people will not return, because somewhere around the time after the liberation of kyiv region, sumy region, chernihiv region, there was no desire to return to somewhere around 80% of ukrainians. now it is much less. how do you assess these numbers, are they threatening and is there a possibility well, to influence here is the distribution of numbers, please. well, let's first give the numbers that assessed the attitudes of war refugees regarding return. they were generally fantastic. 90% said that they would return to ukraine at any cost. even then, i didn't believe all the numbers too much because they thought that it was

the numbers obtained are not due to a huge wave of patriotism and people are not ready to admit to themselves that they may not return to ukraine, the experience of the balkan countries tells everyone that it is returning. i think that more will return to ukraine because, well ukrainianness is not very strongly expressed among those who are even abroad. well, let's say that in the first two weeks after the start of the full-scale war , 200,000 people returned to ukraine. they returned knowing that they would not be able to leave again. the presidential decree had already been published and these people returned in order to to defend one's homeland to protect one's loved ones to be next to them there

and so on and so on. let's agree that the numbers are impressive. second, the lion's share of our refugees from war abroad are not accepted. refugee status although it is longer, more reliable. they take the status of temporary protection. that means that they are considering the possibility of return. this is the second. and finally, the third is that 70% of women who left abroad so, after february 20, the fourth, they have a higher education, so levova, more of them have already found employment abroad, but i apologize to those who are employed, they

work in the wrong positions, in the wrong professions that they have and what they have acquired during their lives. i do not think that all doctors who went abroad are satisfied with the work of a nurse even if the salary there is more or less normal third fourth you know many people and this is evidenced not so much by the results of surveys as by the information of social networks, as i follow quite carefully they have taken off the pink glasses regarding life abroad they are not satisfied uh, in many ways, they are not satisfied with medical care, public services, many are not

satisfied with education, and so on. left the dream of 60%. you know, recently this criminal, terrorist, er, international yevgeny prigozhin said that, er, come on, in principle , they achieved a lot in ukraine, er, they destroyed part of the active, strong male population. well, plus , they caused mental trauma to many people , women, children, children were left without parents , women were often raped - tortured, raped, lost their children, i.e. people with huge psychological problems , injuries that will not be so easy to heal, this is a huge part of people who, anyway, in any case, are not in the best condition right now psychological, moral and emotional well, we are all not optimal and moral in emotional form, even those who have not survived torture or

insults, etc. were not in ukraine, but this is the logic of the russians, they are destroying a competitor, they are destroying the state that is a competitor for them now and economically , politically, ideologically, logically, any. and what do you think? this is the trauma of the war and the trauma that still continues to be inflicted on the ukrainian society, how it will affect the formation of a family, the birth rate, the opportunity to live a decent life, because demography is not only the number of people, it is the number of people who can provide quality life and development of the state, and the more injuries , the weaker society is, how to present it, how serious a problem it is now, do you know injuries? the thing is, they can influence, well, suppressing consciousness, suppressing desire, resistance. or maybe it's the other way around. and in ukraine, i'm not at all

convinced that everything that happened and, unfortunately, will happen for a certain period of time of time that it will suppress ukrainianness in ukraine and the desire to resist the aggressor, that's what i'm not convinced about, the first and second, in addition to the purely mental damage caused by the war, that is, the damage to the mentality must still be distinguished, and you know such elementary constructions that is, if it is about the birth of a child after the war, after the family is separated and i hope you will be reunited in ukraine, but