[000:00:00;00] found that we have what laws are constitutional and which are not regarding deputies, well, let me remind you from the formal point of view of the voter - for voting precisely for the voting of deputies , it is written in the constitution, by the way, that is , voting can be conditioned there by political choice, conscience, etc. other but the organization of falsification, the organization , that is, criminal activity, that's what exactly i said about it several times, it should be considered , it was not, i said, it was emphasized, there was not 226 votes, the voting was by someone else's cards in the constitution stipulates that voting always takes place individually, why did i fight there for 15 years until it was finally implemented? this is independent voting . i was the first deputy who refused to submit a card even in the orange faction, so here are the people

who organized the cup, then voting with someone else's cards is not independent, but with someone else's cards and implementation signing a law of the verkhovna rada with knowingly falsified data can and should be held criminally responsible regardless of whether it is a person a deputy or not a deputy, that is, the voting process itself is responsible for it. and this was not a falsification of the vote. there were 226 physical deputies, which means that those who organized this process should be put on trial and sit here. in the story, it was said that russia broke and denounced this agreement in the 14th year. and ukraine seems to have not done it yet. is it important to do it or not ? in your opinion, because it turns out that we have to fulfill the agreement until 2042. if we do not come out with it, i

am not mistaken, it seems that we also demonstrated only much later, that is, i am afraid to make a mistake but this is what i want to note for our tv viewers. lesi yehor knows exactly about this. the constitution of ukraine, in principle , prohibits the location of foreign military bases on the territory of ukraine, but there were transitional provisions and the provision is prohibited under the seventh part of article 17 of the constitution, but there are transitional provisions, definitely e- e this somewhat complicates the perception of the situation with the black sea fleet on the territory of ukraine for our viewers. but i think that the study of the constitution will make their corrections here . olechko, it would seem that the question is very extensive it is obvious, but many people still do not have an obvious answer to it, whether the occupation, annexation of the crimean peninsula, the development of further large-scale aggression of the russian federation in the south would have been possible if the black sea fleet in sevastopol and, in general

, there was no cream in the crimea, at the moment, i do not know in 2014, then in 2022 , your opinion. thank you very much . yes, we will now renew this connection. this will probably be our last question. of the legitimization of the kharkiv agreements by the ukrainian parliament, our journalists rightly note that mr. olesya has heard my question, which is similar to the evolution of treason . it is an absolutely correct question. without the black sea fleet, i was the last of the deputies who broke through to sevastopol in the 14th year. it was march 9-10, 2014.

after me, no one here could get there. i visited the military units and your e with my own eyes, who started the occupation? that is, it is the russian military, the so-called green men, without their presence, not a single contingent group of bitterns would have succeeded in provoking the occupation, there would not have been such a physical possibility . so, the mistake was the ukrainian state , the state had to insist back in 1991 and achieve the withdrawal of the russian troops of the russian black sea fleet, as it was eventually done with the russian troops throughout the rest of the territory of ukraine, that is, let me remind you that all military units were announced ukrainians and who did not want to? who did they move there either individually or in parts even on the territory of the russian federation

, unfortunately kravchuk made such an agreement with yeltsin back then in 1991, it was a tragic mistake that later turned into a prerequisite for putin and his olesya's wards, but regarding the denunciation, the last thing i found was from march to april 21st, information that the non-military ministry of foreign affairs opposes the denunciation. please throw me in this car. i was just afraid to make a mistake, it means not for us, which means that in 1942 they can be in the crimea. that our economy is still working

, the agreements are economically beneficial for ukraine on the transit of russian gas, well, for me, this is absurd, that is, i believe that we should not occupy at least one meter of ukraine occupied by the russian fascist federation at all any relations well, but you see, in politics, sometimes other opinions are given, in fact, there are a lot of agreements with the russian federation, and here the question is not only about the inventory of these agreements that were signed and still active , because there are actually, if not thousands, then certainly hundreds . thank you, sir olesya olesya to her people 's deputy of ukraine of the sixth and seventh convocation was in touch with us and thank you to our next guests who are patiently waiting to be contacted marina danylyuk yermolayeva political columnist journalist and tv presenter with us marina congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes e-e to all glory to our heroes and sincere congratulations to you friends thank you e-e marina dropped an information bomb by publishing an interview with a novel

of an ex-intelligence officer from chernivtsi who was recently arrested by the court for two months e-e they are actually incriminating him e- it is the fact that in july the airfield was fired upon in the cable car, it is the kirovohrad region , for the sake of justice, it should be added that this airfield was shelled several times in particular in march 2022, recently for those episodes with the cable car. by the way, for four in 14 1/2 years already uh sat down sbu counter-intelligence officer serhii govorukha well, that’s it, it’s simple let’s put it this way, the features of the picture in which it is absolutely clear that the ropeway airfield is a well-known target of the russian federation as of july 2022 consists of roman chervinsky. well, you can say that we recorded this interview a little in advance, literally

, two weeks before these famous events . we already knew that there would be a trial, there would be an arrest. therefore , it was very important to us. show the story as she is, i can immediately announce that this is the first interview in the series about the ropeway, there will be two more very interesting conversations that will clarify the situation, what happened on the eve of july, what happened on the eve of those special operations in which roman chervinsky participated and, er, we are other interlocutors will reveal the whole range of what actually happened with the strategic airfield . the point is that eh. look, this was the expected effect because this happened even before the interview. gut and

let's put it this way, i would like to see the situation as we actually allocate funds and take care of the security of the strategic airfield, could our enemies know that our bomber planes are there, that in fact it is now one of our strategic airfields, this is definitely the case, please open wikipedia has such an article on the airbase of ukraine, and it is very clearly written in which region the airbase is preserved or deconserved. and what, for example , happens at this or that airbase if it was deconserved since 2014, again you don't need to be james bond to find out what's wrong . ukrainian fighter-bombers and so on can be stationed at the kanatovo airfield, which is geographically very advantageous to the front line, so wait for new interesting interviews. the fact is that even the day before of a full-scale war, the russians knew the entire range of information about

this airfield, and i only hinted that they did. committed suicide, according to my information, this person cooperated with the fsb with russian intelligence for a certain period of time and provided all the information about the location of our military unit that is moving and even the exact number of pilots who were directly involved in this airfield . well, let's think logically. could it be that somehow , after such information, which had already reached the russian intelligence agencies, our specialists of the type of chervinsky’s novel could do something, they were supposed to catch this russian high-precision rockets with your hands or how could it be and was there anything in your interview, i unfortunately did not watch it and

i will definitely look to see if you talked with colonel roman chervinsky about his pre -war history when he surrenders there to the fifth department yes, he headed the sbu attention, yesterday we quoted ihor mosiychuk, he wrote in the 21st year before the war that chervinsky was directly involved in the case of the so-called terrorists of vasilkiv, for which vermosiychuk himself sat there for 2.5 years. he sat after the revolution, he came out, or as mosiychuk writes, it was chervinskyi who led the surveillance of pavel sheremet literally in the last days before his murder under the left-wing center of kyiv, well, mosiychuk also accuses chernivetskyi of allegedly hiring some former atoshniks for there organizing pressure on businessmen well, these actions were also aimed at making money , according to mosiychuk, it is necessary to check and find out whether these questions were related

to the interview or whether there was an opportunity to ask questions and watch the interview because there were found answers to a number of questions, including about the case of the wagnerites, which was directly developed and organized by roman chervinskyi in relation to his past, when it was the organization of the operation with the participation of roman chervinskyi that allowed ukraine to clear our territory of such wonderful people as givi zakharchenko motorola and catch it maha, these are all operations, you are quoting ihor mosiychuk, eh , look, for me, this person has long ceased to exist in the information space as a source since the time when he essentially began to work together with by an unknown comrade oleksandr blobinsky, eh. i think everyone knows who oleksandr dubinsky is. he is officially recognized by the ministry of finance of the usa as a russian agent who

is subject to american sanctions and therefore eh. intelligence is completely external. dubinsky is officially a deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. if i am not mistaken, i am not mistaken. so, how can he be an enemy of ukraine and be a people's deputy of ukraine among us, let's dig deeply into this discussion how can balytskyi still remain a deputy of the zaporizhzhia region, discover a traitor, improve our law enforcement system, i would only like to add that if we are already digging into vasylkivskyi , it was not only mosiychuk, and if this person was really involved in this case, then it is logical to ask her and where is the final and why did people sit about the years in the pre-trial detention center on this case, well, logically, i think that you can ask a lot of people from the sbu and our other law enforcement development agencies where the finals of the cases related

to the biography of roman chervinskyi can be to say so, this person is a professional employee of the sbu, he worked for a long time in the sbu in relevant positions and in the gourmet system . that this person is a professional intelligence officer and one of the best, i can learn, but look exactly at the intelligence officer, because we will have another sbu general in the future, then he denies that chervinsky was an intelligence officer or a counter-intelligence officer before the start of this war, how is that possible what is the name of this one? you won't see general alsa in the television space, he's not here either viktor yagun i just spoke to him on the phone yesterday and

he'll turn on today i'm telling you that he was not an intelligence officer and a contract enforcer, he was in the sbu engaged in other tasks, well, you just understand i don't know what i bought for you, i sold it to shchyna, accused of cherninskyi and kanatov, which until july 22nd , i will emphasize once again, were fired upon repeatedly, and indeed there is a lot of information in open sources and, well, actually according to the thesis of cherninskyi himself, in particular from your interview with him when was this special operation planned in order to contact and use russian pilots for their own purposes, in particular, there was a request to gur, in the end, as far as we understand, gur did not reciprocate such an initiative. if i'm not mistaken, marina , correct me the security service of ukraine was

more interested in at the end of this special operation. by the way , he was also the head at that time. remind me who and where this person is now and why he is not asked about the question about the rope. hormon suggested this and had a conversation with a certain mr. usov . i remember the advertisement of this on the only telethon already, friends. we are announcing a promotion if any of the russian pilots send us their plane in perfect working order, we will immediately pay a million ago , and by the way, this is a very clear confirmation that the sbu

was not just aware of the sbu only business good. and the sbu also took over the communication component, there is such a very important nuance regarding mana chervinsky . he is just from the list of political politicians who are called the list of intelligence officers. what are the coordinates of the defense and that's why they took care of him? well, regarding the leader, because chervinsky decided as a person, as a professional officer, as a person, not to impersonate his team, and that's why there are certain surnames, i know who was directly involved in this operations, but until chervinsky gives me the go-ahead or his lawyer, i will not name the names of these people, this was our agreement , as soon as they give the go-ahead, i will also present a series of information very briefly, why do you think that we have andriy naumov in serbia, i am talking about, oleg kulinich was detained there

and ivan bakanov is walking and in principle there are no complaints about him, the head of the sbu, who after the war, according to one piece of information, left the country the day before the party, this is a very serious, cool question, but look, there are such very important ones the nuance, er, we understand what kind of neighbor ivan makanov was and who's best friend, by the way, this is kanev's flower bed. and what kind of complex is his best man's potion according to the ukrainian tradition of political sunday ? the understanding of the questions so far is more than the answers in general on these matters, to be honest. thank you. it was marina danylyuk yermolaeva, a journalist, a presenter, and actually an interviewer who managed to interview roman chervinsky literally before he was arrested at least now for two months, a former ex-intelligence officer who

is charged with shooting at a cable car, let's generalize as we go on and at the moment we have a very interesting tickling topic. yehorova will definitely like oleksandra gubytska, a journalist, our money, lviv with us on oleksandr's connection, congratulations glory to ukraine glory to the heroes good day well, the lviv district administrative court obliged the lviv regional military administration to provide information about the men who used the system to leave the border but they did not return. you reported this in particular in lviv ova. they told the public that they will file an appeal against the court's decision . oleksandr well, tell me a little more in detail what the question is. what's wrong with the hats, what do they want to hide there , i'm sorry, actually the lviv regional state administration, which is now a military administration for a long time he hides and prevents us from doing our journalistic work in every possible

way . inquiries that already related to those persons for whom orders were canceled, the actual permits for moving abroad and bringing humanitarian aid , respectively, the majority of these persons simply fled from ukraine, that is, they did not return, they used the route system in order to leave ukraine, e.e. the names of these persons of the lviv regional military administration she refused to provide, as well as the names of public organizations that submitted applications for these men to leave, as you know, there are already, well, just a low dozen, maybe even hundreds of cases when certain public organizations, abusing their status, applied to the men and earned money at the same time, approximately $2.5 to $4,000, in order to take these men out

, and there were a lot of such cases in the lviv region. the organizations from which they were applied for, which went and did not return, and in respect of which these permits were actually canceled, and the regional military administration believes that the surname and patronymic are confidential information, and this information is not possible to give to journalists, although the last name and patronymic do not give the opportunity to fully identify the person, but thanks to the received data, we could analyze which public organizations submitted these men for departure and, accordingly, identify those dubious associations that were engaged in employment during the war. since this information was not provided to us upon request. we appealed to the court . thank you to the lawyers who defended us for free and we won in the first instance, but the lviv regional military administration

for some reason does not agree with this court decision, although the judge explained in a very reasonable way why she decided that way, and well, it was completely in line with that, well, if our positions were to be decided to go to the court of appeals accordingly, well , the court decision has not yet entered into legal force . they have 30 days to submit of this appeal, well, one of the most famous departures, with the permission of the lviv regional military administration, oleksandre is the son of portnov andriy, a well-known lawyer of the times of yanukovych, deputy head of the yanukovych administration, 29-year-old ihor portnov, he left on the 20th of march, no, on march 22, he was entered into the system. on march 23, last year, he left the country together with 23-year-old ivan poddubny - this is the son of andriy portnov's sister yulia poddubny .

they asked who signed the documents for departure, he submitted documents from the people's self-defense of such a person. as i understand it, there is no such thing as two of them, according to these characters, you asked who personally signs it. that is, his personal or collective responsibility, which is collegial, if it is personal and collegial at the same time. because those people whose names contribute to the path are first considered at such and such a commission under the regional military administration, which includes not only administration officials, but also employees of the security service of ukraine, the state border service that is, i understand that such a collegial body, but the orders on relocation are signed either by maksym kozatskyi , the head of the lviv regional military administration, or by us as his deputies, if he is not there due to some other reasons, in fact, they are responsible for the portman, then at that time there were no orders, the information was simply passed on to the border service, a little later, from

may, they began to accept orders regarding the cancellation of permits for the poddubny and the portman. so, as far as we know, actually one of such orders for them was canceled later after the scandals, the permit is very important . it seems to me that to get all the society should know the names of those people and the names of those organizations that used dishonestly in this the possibility of leaving the system was created so that the driver volunteers could go and bring humanitarian aid and not flee from ukraine, and the fact that the regional military administration hides this information proves , well, if not in its favor, i understand that there are a lot of cases regarding the departure of men , they are in every way they are simply obstructing, and considering that journalists should not do their work, they should only complain about the average administration . thank you oleksandr.

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