[000:00:00;00] what kind of alteyas and the like are there, then they usually work at frequencies that are regulated for civilian use, this is actually 2.4 and 5.8 hz, then of course this is a pit rap will be very, very effective against these ranges frequency g they are known er let's say so the wave form used in these drones is known it is immediately recognized by means of technical intelligence literally pocket and effectively suppressed but if we equip or combine some components that are not civil for example military and add them to the same er-e maviks, i’m there conditionally yes, i say that’s how we’ll do it. if

we do it like that, the effectiveness of this trench rebub will drop. can increase the efficiency of the use of our unmanned systems if, instead of civilian components, we start using those that really provide resistance against russian fish , we are talking about this, we are talking about this, there is no medal of any kind, there are two reversible sides the downside is that dji outl is a civilian company that basically produces these drones in millions of copies and they are quite cheap as we understand military solutions . the other one is there and it’s not a million and circulations, so if we solve the question purely of prices

or prices, then everything in principle is complicated, otherwise it will be , well, let’s say quite an expensive pleasure, so i’ll say if we’re talking about the analysis of hostilities between our army and the army of the enemy, then certain conclusions can be drawn from this, and of course the question of what technologies and solutions are being accelerated based on the analysis of the ukrainian-russian war is an excellent question. the main trends appear in this context, the first is the interaction between

different robotic platforms is automated. i mean these swarms on what is called a drone with warming, that is, when several dozen or even hundreds of robots can autonomously interact with each other. imagine these swarms of fp-v drones. yes, which one is used there, but not one, not two, but for example 500. now you understand the multiplicative effect of this. and here a lot of scientific questions arise, how to manage this , how do they interact there, like this one, and to what extent? they will be resistant to the failure of communication channels and there will then be the first aspect and the second aspect - this is what is called machine learning, that is, machine learning precisely in the context of control and dynamic access to

the radio frequency spectrum, because radio frequency the spectrum is not an infinite resource. it is quite seriously busy right now and we need to look for some approaches based on the machine as it is . well, i can say in technical language what it is , how it sounds, what types of modulation it needs to work in, and what specific frequency bands it needs to be used on currently, where did you find the ataman says the grounds for concluding on the basis of the ukrainian-russian war that there will be a swarm of robotic platforms because there is something in the air, but on the ground we do not see at all what ukraine or russia are using robotic platforms, although there is actually development in both countries, and here we will return to the beginning of our conversation, to the triangle of science, er

, industry, the armed forces, after all, i am actually a scientist, and regularly attends all the top conferences, in particular, we are published in milkom, yes, this is a top er conference on military communication so if we simply analyze what tash darpa is working on, for example, then we will immediately understand what will happen there in 5-10-15 years, that is, today of course no one uses the ruins, but believe me in 10 years it will be absolutely standard fichan in unmanned complexes, that is, combining them and performing their tasks in groups. well, no, no, in confirmation of your words, i will say that there was a report by mark milli , the head of the joint staff committee, before the congress and before the committees, where he defended the perspective concept of the american army there and the component is related to the transition to

robotic platforms sometime in 2030, the end use. it is there as a component of must have so that they are not even discussed and the american army is moving towards this, but we it's all the same, of course it's good for us to talk about the american army. and we need to talk about the american army in the ukrainian army. well, it's more like down to earth, and now we're talking about what we want to find partners, find good technologies and adapt them to ukrainian needs, and the question arises, is there an association of defense manufacturers in sweden? do they generally know about the peculiarities of the ukrainian defense industry, which companies do certain things, who to contact, how to establish relations, and these are two worlds, which gifts remain completely separate, well, of course , they know and there have been several visits, i understand representatives of the defense industry to soft - this is the defense league of sweden's enterprises, they are undoubtedly very well aware of what can be offered and how to find

some kind of cooperation, but i just want to emphasize that in sweden, in general, the military and defense complex is quite slow, so you can't just do it today for tomorrow something, some kind of cooperation between the defense industry and the defense industry. well, it’s just unrealistic to deploy tomorrow . well, it’s just unrealistic, so there’s no doubt that these two worlds intersect, they know quite well that what opportunities each side has, which i don’t know. there are some details, but i can say that in principle there is an interest in certain cooperation . i am sure there is. will transfer to ukraine technological samples

of weapons such as archer self-propelled guns because this is a really unique sample and the potential of this weapon without a single information network with data collection is used. archers in ukraine, is it about the fact that in sweden they understand that ukraine can grow up to create such a network of centric e-e visions of conducting hostilities, and this and the same archer will be the first such e-e element before the u in the ukrainian military looks at it differently to the future battlefield. i think that the archer was handed over not just because it was basically a political decision, although it is definitely a political decision, but also because there is an appropriate infrastructure. by the way, the same contraband radars, arthur, they have been around for a long time

there are in ukraine, well, they work in communication, but i do. for some reason, it seems to me that there are also other e-channels, how to transfer the entire indication to the archive of the air base e-e p. yuri, you actually know in sufficient detail the potential of our defense companies and technological achievements that are really viewed as cool because you know what our guys are doing, you understand what they are doing in nato countries, and whether there are or could you give examples that can serve as confirmation of the high technological potential of a solution that is accumulated and implemented precisely in ukraine

by ukrainian companies is a serious question. well, it is probably from the point of view of the software product. after all, all modern systems are a combination of hardware and hardware software platforms, so often software platforms have certain projects. the same nettle, for example , is a very good example of how it is possible to in principle, relatively cheap. i just know how much it cost, for example, a similar system from the danish company systepmatic, e.g. frontline , in particular, it is relatively speaking the danish nettle, so , so, it is completely different, just sums, but, on the example of the same nettle or other software products, it is quite effective and it works. by the way, you can share such information that at these winter exercises here , where we were present, in particular, there were interesting

demonstrations of the capabilities of drones. there is such a trend that even the swedish military the forces of the alliance there, in particular the norwegians, they actively want to move from quite expensive such real military such developments to more or less civilian civilian gadgets of some kind well, for example, their there is conditionally android, yes, there are tablets with android, why yes, because, in principle, well, a soldier is always a soldier, he will always break that screen, he is always there somewhere, his end is some kind of puddle, something like that, of course, this tablet is protected, he can withstand 10 bars on a stone, and there an ordinary samsung two, but it will still break that screen , that's why there is a trend even in nato countries to

use civilian civilian gadgets more . must be of city quality and developed according to the relevant standards and according to the requirements of yuriy. thank you for your professional comments for the time you found for our live broadcast, and i would like to remind our viewers that the espresso final is on the air, because yuriy voytenko is the head and founder of the company wils papito pictechnolog, which manufactures the product which is used in nato countries and this product was created on the basis of such initiative decisions when there was an idea it relied on the financial capabilities of european countries and nato countries and they created the product along six years and now ukraine is trying to find its own way

to strengthen our defense capabilities through technological solutions, and this day, this week, an extremely interesting event took place when the brain one defense technology cluster was founded, which, in principle , made the first push to integrate the capabilities of our companies with financial capabilities in order for the ukrainian the army could really rely on new technological solutions, and now we are joined by the head of the cluster for the development of defense technologies of breu 1 natalya kushnerska mrs. natalya, i congratulate you. good afternoon. i congratulate you. well, i would like to congratulate you on the launch of this extremely important initiative, because there was a presentation. by the way, everyone can look at the e-e website of the ministry of digital transformation . there is a report about it. there were representatives of many departments and structures.

what was said that this initiative should become such an impetus so that it is really possible to find a basis for strengthening our army with completely technological solutions. i would like you to tell us in more detail about our to the audience what is the essence of this initiative , how will it be implemented , and how will the interaction between various ministries be coordinated? project two days ago , but the work on this project was very active, it probably started in november, because even in december of last year, and we actually worked together with our main founders, the ministries , a very long way until we found those procedures and those mechanisms, algorithms, which must be properly built between us in order to be quick

in helping and interacting with developers, what we are talking about right now , because in fact the main goal of our project is to provide all the necessary support and help to ukrainian technologies that are approaching victory, which should be effective on the front line and here in fact if we talk about the main ministries, their roles and functions are very simple, e.e. the minfipra takes on such a task precisely the situation of the platform and communication with the developers, then all these applications which by the way, you can submit it on the bray-bank.gov.ua website, er, there is a link to the platform and all this is translated as much as possible in a way that is convenient for all users, that this is a platform, these are electronic documents, you do not need to calculate there, carry papers there and so on. that is it is all in electronic form after entering the applications, it all goes to the general staff of the armed forces for examination because they are the main consumers today

, they are the main experts today who determine the needs and opportunities and pains that today there are things that need to be decided after their evaluation, if it is a ready-made product so that it is on the front line or works, it goes to the fast track to the ministry of defense , and their track. communication, what exactly is wrong with the development , what needs to be improved, and accordingly, a break-van is actively included here , which provides the necessary acceleration , the necessary non-attraction of investments, e.e. , educational m.m. tasks, that is, everything that is needed in order for this project in fact masturbated or become someone who has already gone to the ministry of defense, as for the function of the minister of production, it is very important because they will help with the lubrication of production, they

will help with the development of uh, production in general, when you have an idea, and you need it transfer in fact to the party and in the same way they take on the function of helping with nato standardization so that our developments are not only effective but also meet the standards and they can be further masturbated and in fact turn them into a business of mimicry helps with that involvement investment grants with the registration of intellectual property exercises in general with the economic let's say the economic component of this project with the development of our ukrainian economy there. here is the nsdc, they are like uh like a council that is directly responsible for the strategic development and vision of what we are going to and where we have to go

and there is already an example of such successful cases, i.e. projects that are already ready for serial production , at the moment it is necessary to experience whether this one they usually exist and they are already in their track that they, er, take place directly with the general staff of ministry of defense and so on, we understand that defenstein is already active in ukraine, it is actively developing, um, super activity , on february 24, 22, 2014, and of course, there are many projects that already have their own tracks and have their own the statuses of interaction with the ministry of defense with the general staff and so on, now according to that flow, according to that flow that we are forming, we understand that uh, we have received the first applications for registration, it has been there since thursday, today, as a matter of fact , wednesday, today is the third day when we

receive these applications, we understand that we need somewhere the first two weeks in order for them to pass this examination of the general staff, they came, they came, registration, examination, and then we will understand more in numbers how much development has already gone to the post of the ministry of defense, how much needs to be improved, improved, what to do with them next , do you not feel that way, it is about tens of hundreds of teams that are ready to offer their solution, which is quantitatively oriented , because the flow of those who want it, we understand that today in ukraine there are about thousands of developers , even more, who work in one or another there teams, spheres and so on. everyone does their own work. if we talk about the direction of drones, we know that today there are more than 100 teams working only in drones, but you also need to understand that not all teams will come today for example, not everyone needs it, or someone is already

at their stage, but we think that there are more than 500-6 teams and it will definitely be necessary to say that literally in two days, we have already registered there, uh, more than 80 developments, well, in fact , we we are talking about the fact that it is still technological defensive start and here are the startup statistics for you. if there is, we take it in general, if out of a hundred projects one shoots, then actually this is considered a sufficiently effective indicator for startups, such an indicator of 100 to one will suit - will suit a shaving bath from the point of view of the effectiveness of this project, see first, we are not talking about startups. we are talking about the pedagogy of the product, because yes , there are startups that have ideas and prototypes, but there are also developers that have either small serial production or already production industrial tasks and each of these developers has their own pains and needs at

their own level and our task is to help everyone who has such needs and tasks who works in a child for us, in fact, the main thing is that in these developments they are effective and are the need on the front line or in that of our consumers in the security and defense forces because when talking about consumers it would be wrong to simply limit it to the armed forces of ukraine because they are the main ones they are the largest but we also have e and e gur and sbu and border guards and the national guard and so on. that is, we understand that here all our security and defense forces can be in their own development, to put it simply , once again, we live in a war today and today even four even 10 even 20 units of something at the front, also at the front, it is also significant and

effective, so our task today, like yours, is to help those developments that are interesting, that are effective, that are large-scale, we scale and can be in large quantities on the front line help for the first time in the first place but it should also be said that we also help those who have an idea or those who have four developments, the main thing is the desire to work , hear, er, and, in fact, to develop their developments , in fact, there may be different scenarios, which i understand , i come with a development that needs to be done in one version and by check if it works if the idea looks completely perfect or another version of klo i have a company and i want to expand the production of these samples and i am writing an application i say i need money in order to buy equipment and scale my production, and then, depending on which state ministry

it concerns, there is a unique feedback according to the task facing the developer or an already existing company. this is what it looks like and the options for ourselves, we divided them into four parts, relatively speaking, the first is everything related to interaction with the military is testing in the troops, it is demonstrations on training grounds, it is even pitches for different types of troops and commands so that they do not know about those developments that exist and can use them and to talk about your needs, this is also a post to the operation of the state defense order. that is, these are the big ones. the first track , the second big track, is everything related to education and help, not only in networking, not only in experience, information, uh, and some kind of work on finding partners. but it is so it's a series of small, let's say, wordshops on topics that manufacturers need

, how do i make a met-methodology for a demonstration on a training ground, or how do i calculate rcm, or what raps are there who work on the front line, what do i need to know because, well, on different topics, in fact, our task is to help those companies for which this is not the main business, they do not have enough experience to help deal with this so that they masturbate again and be on the front line and performed their main tasks, the third of the questions. excuse me. yes, the third block is everything related to attracting financing, e.e., scaling, it is investment grants, it is e.e., the work is precisely to find partners for the creation of the mifa consortium and everything related to this, and the fourth - it

legalization is precisely the registration of property rights - it's uh documentation is any it's standard that is, it's these are the main four blocks that uh we're planning but we again understand that this uh is far from exhausting the list of why we can be are useful and you are absolutely right in that, understanding the needs, we are looking for or directing such a pass-track, let's call it so, to those teams of companies or ministries that can help solve this, they developed about one of the components this is actually a search for financing or as an impetus for the creation of such a product in the first version or as financing for expanding opportunities , where is brianuvan going to take money from, how will this mechanism be built today, first of all, ivan bryl , legally, this is one of the projects of the innovation development fund - it is a state institution that

is subordinate to mitsifira , as well as this state institution is known as a ukrainian con-startup company that has money for issuing grants and for the grant program, we understand that today those possible guests are in the state in this institution they will not be able to cover absolutely all the demand there, but uh, we plan to attract international fundraising funds and so on in order to additionally look for grant money that can be irrevocably issued to developers and also look for investors, and conditionally speaking, when we are talking about foreign partners, they can be involved through those structures that you mentioned earlier, that is, they are interested in investing in our companies that create defense products, if we talk about working

with investors, they are very interested in so in order to look for some effective ukrainian developments, there are separate tracks that are now ready to hear from us there that yes, we can cooperate on these tasks, we will just say honestly that we are building the right track so that it does not look like they are just -e they buy e-e our developments are transported from abroad, they begin to be produced there and so on , we are looking for ways that, after all , the maximum number of ukrainians and ukrainian developers could be involved in ukraine, and then the question arises who is the owner then intellectual rights to these developments, because if this project is produced under a state defense order, then the ministry of defense actually sometimes influences the ownership of these know-hows that are established there

. the developers who develop them - develop them, they register the right of intellectual property for this and they are the owner, and i would like to ask you about what, er, when you talk about drones, before the war of 14th year , at the beginning of the war, we had about 40 companies that produced drones and then their number decreased there to five to six. now we have another boom in the appearance of new teams that, relatively speaking, are also trying to offer e-e solutions that were there before, or in some way we can take the experience of established ukrainian companies for them to share their experience with those young teams who are now trying to create samples , to offer them to the ministry of defense, for this communication to be horizontal between different manufacturers, this is possible in the format of a private company, this

is not possible, this is what is already happening. this is something that we have already agreed with some developers, they are ready to do it, brothers, and they are actually doing it based on the values ​​that we understand are necessary for the market, and we are implementing it, just about those additional boardshop stages that i talked about that you, we are planning experience, exchange of experience, just uh, in addition to the exchange of experience on such, let's call it, images, uh, educational, and events , some developers are just ready, big manufacturers , take mentorship, take care of small teams and help them. additional to do well, extreme questions. i hope for a short answer that for you will be an indicator of the fact that the brain on cluster lives and produces, well, in terms of products, they are sufficiently effective, which will be the main criterion for evaluating the number of ukrainian developments that will

appear in our front line and in that thank you very much for your explanations for the inclusion, i will remind our viewers that on the air of the espresso channel, there was the head of the a-a cluster for the development of defense technologies of armor one , nataliya kushnevska, and then we will discuss other events that take place in of the life of ukraine, stay on the espresso channel. congratulations, the week began with the fact that news from the russian bank of scorpions suddenly splashed on the tv screens . well, let's start with the fact that, gather your strength, it can be boring, but here is an interesting news, a careful detail , pay attention to the intonation in which the president spoke to the people in the new regions, and how he said that people there do not drive