[000:00:00;00] the russians fought three wars to overcome novgorod, capture two chechen wars, but they still raised chechnya, that is, they return with these revengeful attitudes to what they consider theirs, and they consider ukraine to be a rebellious province that ran away from them, and it is their roots from here, like kiev- mother of gradov, they will return here , that is why the victory over russia. i consider this to be imperialization, so that there is no empire, so that there are no nuclear weapons, this is a victory, but to do it when china already has plans for the chinese it will be very difficult for russia to be a united state of america, especially when their economy weakens. are there examples in uh international history when uh, the united states of america is anglo-saxon in any version, but did with uh countries what it is so desirable for ukraine to do with russia the federation is to be petty and deal with the most recent thing in the cabinet

, it is written like this: muscovy and there and something else . what are they afraid of? well, they are not afraid of crushing russia because, first of all, the americans are because nuclear weapons are difficult to manufacture, uranium processing uranium enrichment, spent nuclear fuel is stored there all over russia. if it spreads to republics that cannot control, they do not know how to manage in 1991, when the soviet union collapsed . do you remember the speeches here in kyiv? well, that's the same thing now . the americans haven't worked it out. they don't have a plan for what to do with russia after the victory. that's why they're dragging, that's why they're trying. discuss, you know, there are many discussions in democracies, and they are trying to find a solution so as not to enter into a confrontation with china, but to reformat. well, there may be an option. you know

, china is taking the urals, and the european part is being taken from the urals . something to exchange. and now china is creating tools for exchange. look at what it did in the middle east. it moved the united states from there, actually reconciling iran and saudi arabia. the middle east region is dominated by russia, in fact it dominates and has joined politics, diplomatic maneuvers are dominated by the asian pacific region, the usa did not sign a free trade agreement with the countries of the asian pacific region , china appeared, which signed and entered, even allies australia there, which will now be armed there with nuclear submarines by boats, but they entered , see what latin america uses in general, de silva, in fact, he forms this platform of peace-making chinese

about chinese, that is, domination is also on in the region of latin america, and here is the strategy that we said in 2013, a common society of a common destiny for humanity, that 's exactly where domination in five regions is spelled out , look what he's doing to central asia, and now the minister of foreign affairs of china is meeting with foreign ministers - he met literally there a few days ago , with the minister of foreign affairs of the asian republics, he dominates everything there , that is, he created the levers with which he has a strong position, with which he will emerge victorious, it is with the united states of america mr. andriy, i would like to write to you, after all, your opinion about this document, yes, about the victory of ukraine, whether the interests of ukraine are really taken into account there, in the completeness we want, except for we understood, there is no detail. and this is a big problem, nevertheless , are the directions correctly written there?

what are we interested in and can this document lead america to someone for this election storm, which we understand, and especially with the participation of trump, will be very loud and aggressive well, first of all, i think i understand the critical points that have just been voiced this one by itself the document is a very important political document for us, and it is not only about the bipartisan basis of this initiative, and the two chambers are talking about what is really there, well, even the word victory is about victory. how do you know our european friends, they have been working towards this for a long time and still not everyone can just pronounce the word that ukraine must win , ukraine must not lose, that is, there are already a number of these synonyms that have been used, so the word victory is the key word here

that is, membership in nato, which is also there it is also mentioned, this is a key thing, because it is about preventing a new war, well, the judges have already talked about it many times, and therefore, in my opinion, this is a serious comment in principle , because today we understand why, uh, there has not been a decision by the alliance yet, because uh a number of players are serious players. they are still in the process of reconsideration and determination, so if this resolution has not yet been adopted, it is only an initiative, it is only the beginning of the process, it may take one month. that is, it may be sometime in the fall. when this document may be adopted, it may be earlier. and indeed as on i don't think it should be underestimated, that is, because it lays down the main elements for us from the point of view of ukraine, so you can want more , you can continue this list, and in principle it is worth it because it is only a draft, it can be amended. that is, it is a living document and

our diplomacy is at this very moment , i should use it in order to convey the possibility of adding it there and taking into account other points, so i believe that this is an important step. if it is possible to really accept it, especially in this turbulent the period that awaits us during the next year and a half, when there will be an election campaign and when there will be a lot of people, and i agree with these risks that take place during this company, because there is support, but it is support that will be subject to to attacks from all sides, and therefore, this document does not have, let's say, an excuse for us not to continue to promote other topics of weapons more actively. the united states remains

our biggest ally, almost 36 billion dollars, which were highlighted first eh of large-scale aggression, it is a really large amount, but we understand that, unfortunately, this is not enough to achieve the victory , which all the resolutions are about. andrei, when a year ago, it is not correct to say 14 months ago. but on the first day of the war, you went to negotiations and tried to reach german officials and german politicians there . then you said that you returned to the embassy and simply cried while writing a report to kyiv about the results of your efforts in quotation marks . please tell me how you assess the dynamics what ukraine and the world have gone through in 14.5 months, i really want to ask you, thank god, well, then you understand, then it was

, you could imagine, well, i could imagine, i could imagine, and i couldn’t understand why it was so difficult uhu, especially before war, because we raised this issue in germany and in other states, allies, allies, before the start of the war, especially starting in april 21st, there were the first big maneuvers and then the second maneuvers in the fall. that is, it was obvious that this well, no, no, no, i'm not kidding. well, it's not me it's surprising because otherwise if we didn't manage to do it well then the world he well it would be turned upside down i think that er the fact that now germany is one of the biggest er allies there is second or third place depending on how you count er it's a plus but

even this is not enough, and it is important for us to continue to explain to our friends, our dear ones, thank you for doing this, really for them, this is a quantum leap for many other states , but still, these weapons are not enough for us and so we have a huge stock of uh let's say that this maneuver, which is with germany and with other european countries, but also with the united states, because for this victory, which is mentioned in the resolution, which we usually support, because it will be such a road map, expensive, serious for the current administration of the presidency and for the future, these documents have political significance. that is, they are so, that is, this document , if it is accepted, no one there will cancel it or change it , that is, it will be a determined course. washington, and that's why, thank god

, we had a place, thank god, and in berlin and in other capitals, many countries surprised us pleasantly, especially in europe and not only in europe. which are now joining nato, which were until recently neutral there, finland well, just as few people think that these countries are swedes , they will provide us with military support in volumes that are really comparable to the great countries of this world, that's why we really succeeded. i think it's a merit first of all president yaki managed to painstakingly create this international coalition thanks to various tools and pressure and appeals and persuasion and thank god that we rely on it. but again, the coalition must be expanded and what is provided to us must be increased on february 24

for many, that day began with panic, what to do , where to go, how to proceed, but you knew that millions of ukrainians are counting on you . we are grateful to thousands of ukrainian railway workers who fearlessly perform their work even when there is no strength , when you don't get off the train for a month, when you know that it can be a one-way road, everything has been proven on the railway

, the condition of the trains, the tracks, people , glory to ukraine, sorrows, there is no turning back , it is better to go to work i am begging you for a new life. tell me honestly how we are all going through things right now, so that we don't put things in our heads, that's why we often can't sleep.

mental health needs attention and care on the website of the program you have collected tips and contacts on how to help yourself and your loved ones go to how are you.com to find out glory to the heroes we continue our discussion and at the center of this discussion is the question of what ukrainian victory will be and here we are we have already considered the resolution a-a that was presented to the united states of america , we talked about uh-uh, whether ukraine should set any conditions in the context of nato and what will happen in vilnius, and what should be the reaction of ukraine if it does the answer will be negative. well, i really want to talk and continue this conversation around the very modalities of the ukrainian victory. so, we return to our experts and guests there. and then

we can. we have already said that well , they will definitely not embrace and tighten and will not sit at the table and will not hide . then there were no big disappointments, because we are always now determined to want more, so that the war ends already, that's how realistic the forecasts should be and how to perceive them correctly. start your opinion mr. andriy well, we would like to have wonderful ones of course we believe in miracles miracles happen and during this terrible war there was more than one miracle and the fact that

kharkiv and kherson left kyiv, that's why everywhere we believe but we understand the reality, er, i have a feeling, er, that what will happen in vilnius , er, it will become, er, another stage on the way to membership, which means that it will be concrete so far, it is difficult to say because just now, well, such a serious preparation is being conducted for the wheel so that, er, it was a certain added value, that is, that these were not some regular statements of confirmation , what was the recommendation? they are also important, sometimes there are times when previous decisions are confirmed, but i think er that what will be in in vilnius, it has uh, well, we uh , and i mean not only the government, but also society, to show that this track uh is on the way to membership. pause eh and eh here it is important that eh when this membership can happen

everyone understands that during the war, well, it looks unfortunately, eh well, it is not realistic during the hot phase let's say this war, but eh, what it can happen and god willing, i believe that it will happen right there, the next day or so it was not after when this hot phase ends and when we can talk there about the first stage of the ukrainian victory, the first important stage is the membership of ukraine in nato well , in my opinion, this is the only possible way to prevent the continuation of the next opportunity so this is in order to prevent this, uh, the next possibilities are even more hellish phase of the war. i think that this is an understanding . our partners have it, and it is gradually

becoming stronger for me. own interests everyone understands if it will be some sort of half-peace there or some half-hearted solution , yes, it will calm the society there to a certain extent, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief, but everyone understands that this will not be a guarantee of peace, we are peace, and in europe it is forbidden to accept new members, if there is any phase of the war, i don't see it, and well, we consider vilnius itself as an important intermediate stage, how important is my victory on the way to establishing the irreversibility of our membership, i would formulate it in this way, here i can only remind you that the document which we discussed that it is clearly written that the peace brought by the ukrainian victory, we ensure the integration of ukraine so absolutely and the fact that this is happening in the states in the state that well, will play the first violin in the finalization of the decision itself, eh, i see in this a certain such optimistic

optimistic element, at least it is about a movement, that is, eh membership in nato is not just some static process, but we are standing somewhere and then somewhere someone has a vision and says oh yes, let's go. that is, this is a process and vilnius should become, i hope, serious at a stage stage stage e-e moment on this way to the pre-finalization of mr. ruslan so i will remind you that our status for joining nato is enshrined in the constitution. therefore, before you say criminal things and i already feel that it could be, i will choose my words very well so i will say yes, i am skeptical about the fact that we will become members of nato and i will explain my opinion in general you mean so i will explain my opinion so this will be a stumbling block in the negotiations at the global level between

the united states of america these will be bargaining between the united states of america and china, ukraine will not join nato, the eu will not join nato, because, first of all, china is not interested in this, which actually absorbed russia, and it will then face nato's border, and it needs some kind of buffer zone and does not need a border he does not need to strengthen nato with a strong army that actually won the war and can be used at any point on the continents there and so on. he is generally interested in china that there is no nato bloc in europe, so that the united states with the nato bloc. well, for nato as an organization to leave did not increase a here is the reverse process. therefore, this will be a key stumbling block in the negotiations on ours, this is the first moment, china is dissatisfied, and now the second moment will be the countries of western europe that are countries of the first

speed, yes, they divide the eastern europe of our countries of the second speed, western europe of the first speed now they are the leaders of germany , france, they are the leaders if ukraine joins nato and joins the european union , in fact, the bloc of the bucharest nine is getting stronger. biden is actually a propa. yes, it's about americans, the old people consider them young europeans as americans and competitors, so the emphasis is shifting here, political , financial, and redistribution of influence, all this is the main territory, they are losing their influence , and, in fact, the geopolitical place of their role, their place is being lowered. they are also dissatisfied , dissatisfied china western europe is not satisfied, what will they do to prevent ukraine from joining nato, they will negotiate. they have a common point of contact, they have already tried macron . there is already a common point of contact. the united

the american states that declare that they are against direct confrontation with china because they are actually two connected economies , they produce, they buy, bilateral trade is 760 billion and the negative balance in america is constantly growing. to reassure the americans that they are related to them they buy government securities from them thereby stabilizing inflation and stabilizing the socio-political situation in the united states of america and giving access to technology companies to their a large market where they earn surplus profits, they do not want a confrontation, the united states does not want a confrontation, the countries of western europe do not want a confrontation, china does not want nato to expand and move closer to its borders , what will they do, they will persuade ukraine not to join nato even in the eastern in europe, such countries as hungary will appear, maybe some others will also play their violin so that it is not

necessary if we take ukraine, we tear it off from russia's zone of influence, ukraine is accepted into nato we are bringing the problem upon ourselves, revanchist russia will always return and will already threaten all nato member countries, well if i try to argue and say then china will not be satisfied with any alliance even if it is the baltic commonwealth and the british union even along these lines as how is this a weaker alliance for china, uh, this is a reggae nato is a global organization that claims the influence of expansion beyond the borders of europe that is why china supports russia russia is generally against the americans leaving the continent and there was a single joint security system there from lisbon to vladivostok without these alliances, the chinese supported them but russia is weakened as a center of power and china has risen as a center of power and they actually took over this role

, now the two of them will play, however, the americans of europe and about against the americans at the global level, oleksandr, you are so skeptical about some points, because actually , ruslana, the more you said about it , the more you told me, as an americanist , that this is exactly why america will not allow it, that is, if it rolls like this, they don’t want to that's why america won't allow it. i wouldn't perceive china as such an absolute power. if that were the case, why did one train fail? can resist this until it fails, this is a separate conversation in general, this is for the 27th year, when china will complete the modernization of the people's liberation army, with this there will still be its own problem, let's call it that, but in fact, my opinion is that exactly all these reasons are pushing the united states more and more to the point that it is impossible to give

china the opportunity to win so powerfully, uh, about the same opinion as we can see from the statements of biden, the external administration adheres to its current administration , especially after in afghanistan, especially after such a big failure, bada repeatedly said the last time, if i'm not mistaken, it was in sivul during his visit that ukraine and taiwan are one and the same front, it 's the same issue. the attack on taiwan, they are leading troops with ukraine, this did not happen because there is already a war in ukraine and now to declare that they are now here troops is in fact to take a step at the meeting of nuclear escalation, why, as they said before, they cannot allow this in any way, why do they are obtained, therefore, in fact, it seems to me that the scenario regarding the next confrontation, the scenario regarding how the situation surrounding our entry into nato and the dovilnov summit will develop approaching and i would take a more balanced and neutral scenario, first of all, i absolutely agree with us

they will not accept it is clear for now because by accepting us during the active phase of the hot war this year so by accepting us during the phase of the hot war nato faces a dilemma that will not be able to solve article number five conditionally we are signing the estonian treaty tonight, then tomorrow american planes bambdat rostov, the landing force of the british in kronstadt or what it should look like, how it will be some kind of inger, just the same , only those territories that are not occupied. that is why, in fact, nato countries are not ready to take such a step. therefore, this corresponds exactly to whether they can it is also difficult for them to give us a perspective, because by giving a perspective, accordingly, they give russia and china the opportunity to predict how much they should prolong the war , how much they should allocate their own resources, how much they should delay this situation, which is more likely, and well, from the point of view, i say so. i do not represent ukrainian diplomats i am presenting a more or less serious scenario of a departure, an official, fixed departure from the issue of the pdp. because in fact, despite the statements

of the americans to the british, if you are told that the pdp was missed, in fact, it will be positive for us, the result, of course, we want more. by the way, your question about planes, the question about planes is after all more rammstein in vilnius, there simply won't be time for that, but they are going to the pdc, what will it give us, leaving the pdc , we will have to review the decision of the buchrest in 2008 , we will have to repeat once again secure the document if ukraine becomes a member of nato it will be by political decision then when everything is ready and here is such a short remark in conclusion regarding a country in which there is a conflict to one degree or another, we have an excellent precedent turkey and georgia, oh profession, i apologize for the silence, it is appropriate for greece, the 52nd year of both countries, communist partisans, in addition, both countries are preparing for an open full-scale war between themselves for the aegean islands, in addition , there remain two semi-dictatorial powers that do not know what they want to do in the region, and the truman administration, understanding this literally bends other western countries at the knee so that these countries accept and already within nato these issues have been resolved, that is, the issues are not in

the washington treaty, the issues are not in certain at the moment, the question is political will and at the best strategic moment , that is, we can still count on a miracle for andrei . and indeed some of the arguments that we have heard now, they are, well, them. we cannot ignore them. that is, we are not naive, we are not blind, we see what the situation is. we must be realistic. but at the same time, we must understand our interest and we must do everything that it is an interest to convince others partners in the fact that this interest also corresponds to their e and their strategic vision and that's why i agree more with the spanish alexander in

that precisely because it looks like everything there is terribly confusing, i think primarily american our friends they will not allow us to leave again in that gray zone because everyone saw all together means the threat of war and that's why i still think many will learn lessons for themselves after what happened on february 24 last year ago uh i believe in that that ukraine will be in nato, i don't have the slightest doubt about it, it's a matter of time, a matter of uh, a window of opportunity that may appear , maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow , maybe not even in vilnius yet, but we have no right to give up and uh, and because of this situation as it is. we understand all these interests, we understand that this war is, well , it is going to happen. maybe even

more brutally, we see how our enemies act , but our interest is in becoming a member of this family big e and only when we are with a family member, we will be able to prevent this uh, new big aggression and in the end uh, well, mr. oleksandr correctly noted the fifth article of the uh, washington treaty, let's say it like this well, the bible is in order to prevent this, but there are also interpretations, that is assistance under this article is not automatic, each member state decides for itself to what extent the cities will provide it so that because it can be, that is, membership in nato, it does not provide for the obligation of automatic states of all states to join in the war, that is, uh, and this is an obligation to provide assistance that each state considers necessary, so i would not dramatize this situation, what do we really

need, what is our goal, is it moving away somewhere or is it becoming less achievable? no, we need to move on and use all possible instruments for this are internal political elections in the states. i think that this resolution also shows, by the way, that we have this chance to fix these intermediate stages, and when that time comes , there will simply be no other way out than grant ukraine membership in nato and what are you looking at? two such turning points in this war in these 14.5 months and one of them is the langleys signed by biden and the second is this resolution that should be adopted that is, the united states of america vipstate let's talk like this yes he lays down who p ruslan said in bookmarks yes no they did so, so they make such bookmarks in order to be re-insured in order to if