[000:00:00;00] a large one in crimea will be able to be somewhere really of such quality or as they say, the general wants what really are these trenches like the first world war and they can’t protect the russian a-ah, well, the ironworkers from the impact of drones and others . therefore, i hope that they are not taught a lot, and of course you have the spirit of sowing and fighting. the fighting spirit is not much more powerful than that, and i am sure that the tracks of your leadership will choose, well, decide when, well, what direction it will be, then they will be able to strike with such force as an armored fist, how to say that

the russian front simply collapses and then can be like this this is a bad reaction to have one area broken through there, the front has collapsed and already the panic on er covers other other forms of russian formations and er many are already fleeing from the front so and so and there is such and so such probability in my opinion thank you thank you mr. marko mark voichok director of the master's program global manage associate professor american kyiv former special adviser on russian affairs commander of american forces in europe general ben hodzheno and now we will add to our conversation ruslan osypenko diplomat expert internationalist who er, he is well-versed in the delicate issues of china, and actually this week we also have something to talk about china, because he finally found time at the moment he said

to call zelenskyi. i want to start, you know, mr. ruslan, with a politically incorrect question. er politicians, diplomats and not only ours and experts, these are the words that are always spoken with some er such special inspiration, you know about this subtle eastern logic about the fabric of chinese diplomacy about what china has been waiting for for a thousand years about all these it means rivers that are about the banks of the gong heh and it reminds me, you know how the west always talked about the mysterious russian soul , referring to dostoyevsky and tolstoy, while dealing with ordinary secretaries of regional committees in the party, which through repression and fighting with each other climbed somewhere to the top of the government and from there began

to stand by the boot, the same thing needs to be done with china. well, it seems to me that after all, it is not necessary to talk about such sophisticated politics when it comes to the secretaries of the central committee of the party about that is, all dolphins are really former he webin, this is not an image and people, i would say with a very simplified political logic . and we look at them all the time as if they are the emperors of some, you know, empire of the great mughals, and it annoys me. well, to put it simply, let's of rivers from the banks there from subtle matter to establish then i felt bad so uh to understand modern china modern china stands on two legs this is marxism and confucianism if it is simplified to say that if you understand on which legs it stands then you understand how

to act and communicate with china, without a doubt, they take historical experience into account. they, er, read strategies, they use wall books with these strategies, but they also believe that there is a lot of useful in it , so they use it in their politics, so if you simply say, discard all the subtleties. marxism and confucianism, er, this is a combination of things in general. yes, this is a good question. they are somehow, is it possible to stand on such two legs when one is essentially simple, the other, one leg goes in one direction of the second type of critic olympiaconfections have a backlog. well, this is a very beautiful question. and how can you combine the party , the communist party in china, and the morning economy? well, well, they also combined marxism and confucianism in the same way , because they see marxism as the general philosophy of marxism, they they say that it gives justice to the general in the world , and in the end, in confucianism, the point of contact is balance, harmony, and justice, balance

, harmony. they believe that there are points of contact. and i think that it is possible to combine and use these two philosophies. let's say this and in this call they called china called as just a chinese as china that wants to become a peacemaker as china that shows that it is a separate player and now come to me come to bow or wait for a call from me china is definitely strengthening its position as the first world leader, and secondly, as a peacemaker who has already succeeded in modern practice in actually pacifying historically irreconcilable enemies, this is saudi arabia and iran, and china wants to demonstrate this practice. i think that it wants to demonstrate precisely in the war ukrainian-russian in this war in order to reconcile ukraine and russia, if they did not want to take on obligations and

formally approached this issue , they would not appoint a person responsible for eurasia who will deal directly with this war because, well, man something needs to be reported to the person, something needs to be proposed , some formulas must be offered, participate in the negotiations, and therefore he will be involved in this negotiation process and must definitely give some result . therefore, this is a certain responsibility, if you appoint a person, then it is a certain responsibility the second signal for me was that they still take some responsibility , they could not have said it, but they said that they were in favor of the development of a strategic partnership . but china has declared this. and if you declare that you are a strategic partner, then you are committing yourself to either support us or stop this war or , er, seek a just peace, because

strategic partners do not act differently, that is why these signals between there were lines for me important. in principle, it can be considered that china may be interested in ending the war on some terms that suit ukraine . well, in reality, ukraine wants to restore its territorial integrity on the borders of 1991, because russia is an unacceptable condition, where is there even a platform for mediation? well, i 'll be honest china is not interested in a completely stopped war, let's start from the end , it is not interested, it is interested in the fact that the conflict was not so intense, it did not enter the third world with the use of nuclear weapons, he is interested in this, but if the war continues, the west will weaken, russia will weaken, and then china can simply put forward a larger list of demands to both, because they are weakened and will be interested in china

. and this is the appointment of the ex-ambassador the people's republic of china in russia is now a representative in ukraine, this is somehow this is this kind of cynicism so far . yes, this is actually confucianism and marxism taken together. what was the reaction of moscow? how is it that china is no longer our partner ? he came to us in order to appease them just as they appointed a person who was the ambassador there and actually grew up on these moscow narratives, well, in fact, she is known on this country, because they don't become ambassadors in china just like that, a person grew up there, and as an attaché, he was involved in this region, studied languages ​​and traveled to this region several times , that is, he is completely immersed in the politics

of this region, therefore, for that to demonstrate and appease the russians i think they just appointed a former ambassador to russia in order to look like this well, we called, but there is a person who you know, with whom you have contacts, you can get in touch with him. you can talk there because, well, being an ambassador, a person made a million connections in russia there at the highest political level, that's why it's to appease the political elite of russia, and we don't need to appease relations with us anymore, let's say that he is at the beginning of the path, he just started on the path as the president said, which means that the dialogue has resumed and we are -is we count on the fact that he should have deepened will deepen will spread and have my perspective somehow we are at the beginning of the journey and will not the same thing happen to him as happened with the ambassador of china to france who started

talking about the fact that not all countries of the former soviet union but some not as equal as some others if you translate this pronunciation eagle look china will never narrow its diplomatic maneuver uh he himself will expand it on the contrary as always there are two scenarios which uh cooperative a scenario and a confrontational scenario, depending on how he will be pressured or the geopolitical situation will change, he will use one or the other, but he is developing two tracks at the same time, he can argue there with europe and at the same time agree there on the acquisition of some critical infrastructure. that is, it is normal for them they don't play chess, they play go - there are three boards at the same time , that's why it's typical for china , you know such and such approaches. i think that for the majority of ukrainians there, they will not delve into the intricacies

china's two legs, on which it stands, and the most important thing is whether china will support russia in armed forces. this is the biggest question that worries everyone. no, for a year or two, it is certain that he will not support russia in armed forces, because he is now following the scenario of in another scenario, which judges first change the plans of their opponents, this is the first point if it is not possible to change the plans a-a this visit we have seen you and this is the beginning of the fact that china joined this diplomatic race and is trying to change the position of europe at least in the euro-atlantic alliance well, in this union who stands behind ukraine and we saw what macron began to say and declare there when he went to china. here is the first point. the second point is to break the alliances that threaten you, threaten china, threaten the euro-atlantic union, and this euro-atlantic unity with nato

they believe that this bloc is a threat to the nato bloc, because if russia loses, they will use all this toolkit to take on china and the taiwan problem, well, now it is necessary to defragment at least the european union or to separate the european union from the united states will deal with china because it is a global player, it plays globally, for it our war is a regional war and it plays on a global level, as far as it is possible to assume that china will act independently in this story, maybe it will act together with brazil , whose president lulu ignaciodosilev also says that it is necessary to bring the parties to the negotiating table. i don't know what they will agree on. the main thing is that they sit down, maybe he will act together with france, because after guangzhou it seemed that maneiller macron did not he is not calculating the efforts of the foam seats, what will it look like, but china is forming the tools for victory in the united states of america, the main negotiations. he believes that it is necessary

to negotiate with the united states of america, and that is why he is preparing these tools. the first tool is the reduction of the influence of the united states in the middle east when e-e sisinpin arrived there guaranteed the creation of a security system for those countries, concluded and signed contracts on the purchase agreement on the long-term purchase of energy carriers from that region, then the second instrument - this is russia in fact, china absorbed after the visit to moscow, we saw that russia signed the declarations there, and china wrote everything it wanted then in those declarations, that is, in fact , it absorbed russia and through russia, as a permanent member of the soviet security council, it can influence a nuclear country on separate subjects, there , in these directions, in addition to latin america, we see that this peace platform, which is planned to be gathered here and there, will now gather supporters, that is, they have formed

a platform to which countries will join of the global rooster, who disagree with the policy, who were silent and wavered. and now there is an alternative, the 12-point plan, the chinese peace plan, a peace platform, and around this platform , supporters or followers of china will unite, that is, china will launch such tools that it will later use at the table negotiations with the united states of america, as well as in the asia-pacific region, if he conducts bilateral negotiations there, he does not want to talk through organizations, for example, but conducts talks there with individual countries using the fact that everyone wants access to the chinese market, and in this way, all around the perimeter, he imposes himself with these tools and comes out with a strong victory in the position of eh for talking with the united states of america on one or another topic, it does not matter to him thank you, mr. ruslan ruslana osypenko, diplomats, international expert, talked about china, and

now let's talk a little about israel , contact us mykhailo paliver, an israeli political scientist and public figure, i don't know if i said the accent of the surname correctly, i hope correct good day good day i welcome you fellows in our studio congratulations on the seminal anniversary of independence of the state by the way, we have to tell you that yesterday here in lviv the ambassador of israel to ukraine mikhail brodsky and the med of lviv andriy sadovy opened a mural dedicated to the author of the israeli national hymn khatikov naftolega herzomberu tako i don't know about the personal cultural event. we don't know. maybe we have a photo of this mural with ukraine . israel has so many things, both good and

bad, that we're actually in the 20th century. in the year 2023, we should be very close , i assume that we are friends and allies in the political sense. of those and mystics who were numerous in ukraine, uh, back in the tsarist time , as far as possible, in principle, it is said that this is the survival strategy of israel for these 75 years. you know, it seems to me that israel is a very good example that despite the fact that you can be very small surrounded by your very serious and armed and strong enemies, because of this very complicated state, you can understand that your independence your strength is the most important thing you have to achieve, not in the military sense and in the economic sense

, that is, to be surrounded by enemies - this is a big minus, it has pluses, because in the end you understand that you don't have those other allies are not your people your armies, your fleet, not that's why in this case, i think, by the way, you don't have to react . the armed forces cost a lot of money, and in the end, i think that, in principle, the prospects for ukraine are very positive. let's just say, i don't see how in the near future, on the periphery, on the perimeter, the geographical perimeter of israel, our enemies are. e will cease to exist in in your case, i think that the perspective is positive because at least 3/4

of ukraine is surrounded by allies, and modern israel, what is this if you explain to an ordinary ukrainian who inhabits israel because it is many people or patriots from different countries and this is how these people manage to live in one country. what idea did israel manage to create its own israeli identity ? israel, 70% of citizens living in israel are citizens who were born in israel, about 30% of them came to israel, but of course, over the past 75 years, mostly all residents of israel came from

to become from eastern europe there are not a few people who came from eh strange makgreba what is called north africa holocaust after coming from er it's strange, at that time, the soviet union from poland from ukraine is also interesting, all the interesting figures are that 2/3 of the people who were soldiers of the israeli army who fought in the 1948 war of independence were survivors of the slag disaster, that is, people who did not have to explain the why of the jewish people should be an independent country, they only literally a few weeks and months ago in 1948 rose from the ashes and moved to a country that at that time was more like a desert than

a modern developed economic state and with weapons in their hands, they defended against all odds , against greatly superior arab opponents, the independence of our country today , israel is a very colorful country, in fact. those who came from different parts of the world , by the way, you are also jews from ukraine, who as a result of the war became more fluent in ukrainian than in russian. principle and the strange former soviet union will win by 15%, that is, about one and a half million people, eh, i assume that in the coming years , israel will move to israel. you are still quite a significant number of new repatriates, both as

a result of the war and as a result of the situation in russia and as a result i assume that anti-semitism is raising its head not only in western europe, but also in the united states of america, so i think that, in the coming years, israel will quite possibly change very significantly from the point of view of the demographics of the people who inhabit it. tell me if you are talking about future political decisions. well, when in ukraine we discuss the issue of the political decision of the war that was unleashed by russia , by and large , most experts do not see any real practical political solution in the foreseeable future , except for ukraine's entry into nato. it is also not guaranteed. now , for today , our western allies . that two states for two peoples is a real

formula that can be implemented now in israel, a coward who , in principle, does not see the possibility of this kind of approach. well, other israeli politicians with e-epticism were related to a similar solution , however, palestinian autonomy exists throughout the territory, rockets fly at least the gas sector is on the second part of these strings. on the west bank of the jordan river, they are also impersonally enthusiastic about coexistence with the states of israel, and how many decades do you think this whole the process can last in such an unsolved way, it's a very complicated question . i'm afraid that no one can answer it, in any case, our official...

in the near future, in the course of them, i recently read an analysis until 2048, when israel will be 100 years old . it is unlikely that we will be able to resolve the conflict with our neighbors. to be just to be strong, i repeat once again, he must be economically and militarily independent, he must be attractive, he must lead by example , that it is safe to live here, that the chance of death, god forbid , does not exceed a terrorist act or rockets there is a chance that they will die as a result of a road accident or a plane crash, and in principle, this is the case today, despite the fact that we very often hear about terrorist attacks and various excesses occurring in israel, which is still the fate of the israelis the population of israeli citizens who die in terrorist attacks is insignificant and many times less than the number

of people who die in car accidents per year these are people who believe that what is good is what they are looking for , and here is the situation in which they themselves, we are today, they perceive it as the least evil. autonomy, in principle, the absence of a single palestinian leadership. we know that this is also a separate gaza strip, separately , the west bank region, and therefore, in this situation, israel uses the favorite method of benjamin, not tonya . they will divide the power, many people today see a greater

threat to the existence of israel, because of the internal division of our society, we are with you, god is not at the time when mass demonstrations are taking place in tel aviv and other cities, this is already it's almost the fourth month. when in israel, hundreds of thousands of people go out every saturday to protest against the current government, against the reforms that this government is trying to implement, and the israeli society is fundamentally divided. into two more or less equal parts . i would call them conditionally conservative, elected liberals who believe that religion should not have too much power in our country, and conservatives who believe exactly the opposite and i agree with the statement that our external threat is now more important than

the threat from within, our society needs consensus, it needs consolidation, which is becoming less and less every year many population groups in our society believe that the last elections, which took place in november 2022, left them in the dumps, that they are not represented in the current government, except for benyamin. the very extreme right-wing and religious elements in israeli society are recognized as allies by the minister of national security, benglir, and the minister of finance.

way of life, er, by my conviction, my dialogues , and er, this is the schism, this is the polarization that is observed in our society . which, of course, purely technically, it could be to finally adopt a constitution, we in israel do not have a constitution, although in the declaration of independence in the 48th year it was shared that by the end of the 48th year, the constituent assembly would adopt a constitution it was done that way and it didn’t happen, and we live in a situation where every new government changes its own laws, this is quite a dangerous trend, too, by the way, someone draws direct parallels with the incumbent, everything is in power, there is no problem even with vladimir putin, many today in israeli society they believe that power should change and this in itself is a value from which our country has not moved away

. well, of course, i cannot draw any direct parallels between modern israel and russia , but after all, putin's people choose no one is elected, but at the same time, those who are after two decades in power, at some point he may begin to think that he is simply not replaceable and is the best , the only leader of the country. we all know that power corrupts absolutely power returns absolutely. and tell me, please , this is the essence of judicial reform, if you can do it in a short way . we have two of the most pressing issues: first, who will

appoint judges? the current coalition believes that politicians should have the opportunity to influence the appointment of judges to a greater degree ест ето первый вопрос и второй вопрос. does the supreme court have the right to cancel the laws adopted by our knessor parliament? these are the two main issues on which israeli society is divided. i repeat that the current coalition and the current prime minister 's cabinet believe that politicians should more influence on the court on the court so that the court does not have the opportunity to cancel the laws passed by the king on the other hand, i repeat that as a result of the situation that we are 70, 75 years old we live without the constitution, the only order of power that can besiege or limit the power of the government from time to time and the power of the court, we have no other

constitutional mechanisms that we could , i repeat time and time again, directly tell the prime minister or the deputies what they are and crossed some kind of red devil, we don’t have a president according to the agreed powers , we don’t have a constitution, we don’t have a bicameral parliament, and our political tradition is rather weak, and we are still in the process of creating this tradition. i will just give you an example . in the almost 250 years of america's existence , the constitution has changed only 27 times , and the 27th amendment has already been repealed. it was a dry law amendment in israel to the constitution . no, but at the same time, only one of the laws, which is the law on acne and which was adopted only 60 years ago, has already been applied almost 70 times, that