[000:00:00;00] mechanisms that we could, i repeat time and time again, directly tell the prime minister or er deputies that they have crossed some kind of red devil, we don't have a president who agrees with his own powers, we don't have a constitution, we don't have a bicameral er parliament in us and our tradition is political, it is weak enough and we are still in the process of developing this tradition. i will just give you an example. in the almost 250 years of the existence of america , the constitution has changed only 27 times , and the 27th pro- the amendment is already the cancellation of eto there was an amendment to the constitution of the dry law in israel. no, but at the same time, only one of the laws, which is a law, and which was adopted only 60 years ago, has already changed in practice, almost 70 times, that

is, in our country, i repeat in some at the moment they just started not to consider that they have the opportunity to change the laws for themselves eh this imposed on eh in principle a very large polarization that is happening ideological polarization that is happening not only in israel we observe it in america and in european countries -eh, it is connected with eh new and numbers and social networks with the fact that er someone called as er trigger trump who came to power in 2016 using an infinite number of fakes er and er it was proven that 90% of the information that we represented our voter, er, it was er, it was untrue, er, reading all these factors led to the fact that, er, israel today, er, conditionally divided into the country

of tel-aviv, this is basically a country, er, let's say that's how liberally minded people think that the state shouldn't be. how possible less duty in the personal life of its citizens and the conditional country of jerusalem, which prays, believes that israel should preserve its religious jewish character, opposes , for example, lgbt marches, which stands against the future palestinian state and so on. here is the only thing that can be said definitively that liberals in israel are afraid of demographic trends today . eh characteristic clothes they make up only 15% of the israeli population and according to eh

average number eh literally in one generation after 25 years they may already make up about 30-40%. and in this situation , of course, the israeli economy and the israeli economy, and in principle, israel will look completely different. thank you, mykhailo palevert , an israeli political scientist and public figure. let's return to the air may become an obstacle not with with my knees from knee pain try dolgit cream dolgit cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility , you can also walk dolgit is the only yellow cream for joint pain and with muscle spasms, dolgit

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. i read a story when the grandson of a belarusian jew who fled the war ended up in ireland. it’s a strange story. how did he end up there? he was also born in ireland and then he decided to go to israel as the country where they come from and there he married a repatriate woman from chicago. now ukrainians are scattered all over the world . will ukraine be able to return these people or will there be a desire? and now they are already growing up there, being integrated into those countries because they are forced to do so, will they have any desire to return to that ukraine that will be there after the war, god willing, after the victory that we will rebuild, well, don't forget that the state

israelis are first of all a political idea, a person who wants to live in israel generally recognizes her right to exist, she a-a er-e obviously must have not er-e just a jewish root and not jewish, only religion still has a clear political position, that's me there for as long as i can remember i have always held this political position, do jews have the right to their own state, and the same has always applied to ukrainians. i mean, i constructed it in my head as two inseparable things . you understand that when there was a soviet union , there was no ukrainian state. i am ukrainian. if you want, i subtracted the state from the jewish state if the jews were able to restore their state where they had to go to drain the swamps, to die, to die of malaria , i don't even want to mention it. well, maybe we should remember what happened before 1948, we know a lot of what happened after the war , the struggle...

i will build a state, but what happened in the previous 75 years is a tragedy of a much greater level there, precisely because people actually drove there realizing that they were shortening their age . it was possible to live comfortably in israel only after the 60s and 70s xx century, and until 1948 it was a struggle against the ottoman empire, against great britain, against the arab population. hard life , poverty is huge. well, there is a lot to tell here , that is, people, if you went there and did not stay at home, especially if you were in the united states , let's say, then you had a political idea do you want the jews to have their own state, but when we say that israel gathered these people from different parts of the world, definitely someone came from ukraine, someone from poland, someone from argentina and

someone from ethiopia, and i have seen people many times uh, when i came with some acquaintances of jewish origin and they asked me, uh, looking at ethiopian jews, but dark-skinned, let's say, military personnel , do you think that they are the same jews as you? and i am in favor and i did not understand the meaning of the question because believed that we are the same jews, which is because we share the same position, the position of the right to the existence of a jewish state , the problem is not in what skin color, but in the fact that we agree with this idea. they came to live , i came not to live, i came to visit, but i i share this idea. do you understand this? it is a great idea for a person who realizes the whole meaning of state-building, and at the same time it is necessary to understand that israel did not

gather a large number of people. and here we saw from our israeli colleague mykhailo pilivert, for whom israel is, let's say, the center of jewish existence, and i hold all positions, but i once walked around the city in new york and went to the jewish museum, a huge one. well, this is an ordinary jewish museum. i have seen many jewish museums in the world. i go from hall to hall . i reach the hall of the holocaust. heavy emotions always and here i see an inscription in english, of course, and after the second world war, jewry received two centers of civilization, the state of israel and the jewish community of the united states of america, that is, the people who live there consider the jewish community of the united states of america to be the same center , the center of jewish life, as the state of israel

and reached the point that when, say, jews from the soviet union left for jewish life, and the state of israel said that we will give such money so that you can live and build the jewish community of the united states spent exactly the same amount of money for if they wanted to live not in israel but in the united states. and this stopped only in the early 90s of the last century. and all this great jewish emigration that took place before of this she went to two, as a rule, these centers, that is, there may be such a view, you understand , it may not only apply to jews, it applies, let's say, to the irish, but what do you think the members of the cabinet of ministers of ireland do on st. patrick's day, they leave

in ireland, there are no government officials left because of irish communities around the world, and the prime ministers usually go to the united states of america because they believe that there is the largest community of irish people, now the president of the united states is an irishman who is talking to you. the trick is that the president of ukraine is, let's say, a jew and the president of the united states is irish. until recently, you could see there the ukrainian prime minister of france , petro beregov. well, this also speaks of how the world has changed, and i'll say more there, here we are. we see this ukrainian emigration, how much of this will remain obvious and we will soon in 20 years we will see the president of some ukrainian country, you know, or the prime minister, and there will be a lot because, as a rule, the minority that comes in such difficult conditions has the main task

of climbing the mountains that's how it was already there were already ukrainians heads of state governor general of canada hnatyshyn is the head of state this was when it was still the 90s of the 20th century that is it will be and so and it will be normal for us to exist when a jew can be the president of ukraine there ethnic or crimean tatars or someone else, and a president who will come to us from another country and shake the hand of the ukrainian president to a non-ethnic ukrainian will be an ethnic ukrainian, and we just need to learn to live in this world because it is already like that . therefore, on the one hand, of course, we need to efforts to ensure that our compatriots who left during the war return from the other side after the war, we must realize that the diaspora will increase by millions of people. well, this is simply

not an irreversible process, any demographer you will say that people will also come here , and no matter how strange it sounds , more of them will share exactly this political idea that you and i talked about when we were talking about israel , do you understand the idea of ​​ukrainian statehood? this idea is important, how much the majority of people who have not left here will share this idea , because for those people who will return, i am calm if they return from the united states, from france, from germany, from poland, from the countries where exactly it will be more comfortable to live than in ukraine, then they will have a view, you understand, the idea of ​​what they want to achieve, but those who did not leave here did not need to be determined and it may turn out that the majority of people who will stay here will not be connected with state-building ideas, they

will related to the idea calm down calm down survive like this and it can be like that our progress too i should not forget the electoral will be provided by the votes of the diaspora i always remember the elections in the republic of moldova you know when people sit and watch on the scoreboard and it rots, the most important thing is how they will vote for the border districts, where are the queues if the queue is in moscow this is a disaster and the queue is in bucharest and the queue is somewhere in ireland and in some european country people are standing for hours, this means that they will vote for pro-european parties and everyone says oh, so what they determine our fate, we live here, they left, and because many of them would like to return to european moldova and vote for those politicians who can change the conditions for

their return and life in a normal country so it may be here, people will vote for european democratic parties against populists against idiots who will certainly appear and will not go anywhere in order to return not immediately, but you understand to a european democratic ukraine, because if we become members of the european union, we will not there will be a question of who will return and who will not return, we will be in europe, our citizens will not be able to go to work in other countries and return , and other europeans will come to us to work. get used to over time, what about the elections . have you seen this statement by a sociologist from the rating group of mr. oleksiy antipovich about the fact that this is a terrible question, what will happen if zelensky does not go for the second week?

there will be no russia and i am forced to announce that russia will remain in one form or another after putin, but i think that it will even be somehow better without putin and we will be better off if russia is safe and ukraine will be with the uh seventh as the eighth, ninth, and tenth president, the wartime president has a huge credit , the disadvantage of this credit of trust is that it can drop to zero in peacetime, this happened to many political figures who actually burned their political career and their prospects in e- it is a war memory that it is even possible to have a positive or negative attitude towards volodymyr zelenskyi, but purely instrumentally, you need to realize that this is to some extent a victim, that the political career and

the person who leads the country during the war is victim well, you can't do anything, you have to treat it like this and you have to understand that a huge number of people who now look at zelensky with great trust and hope can change their point of view and look for some other heroes, nothing in this will be particularly important that the next the president of ukraine was a professional, competent person who realized that she would lead a seriously ill country after the war, poor, destitute with a huge number of problems with depression, with a huge level of crime, and looking for answers to questions and how realistic is the guarantee of our security

? and what to do with those people who have returned from the front and cannot find themselves, are in a state of severe depression ? separation and what to do with agriculture if we join the european union and cannot have such a huge percentage of agricultural products in the agrarian sector because we simply will never in which europe we will not get and what to do with people who lost their jobs eh at liturgical factories destroyed by the destroyed enemy and what to do with that and what to do with that and and what to do so that people return and to do you can so that they do not return so quickly because we do not have money for for them to exist here at all and what to do so that they do not leave and what to do so that others do not leave because they are already ready how to make it so that men do not go to their wives and wives go to men from abroad, or maybe vice versa let the men go because in there is no money for us

unemployment, that is, any new president. even if it is zelensky, he will live in the world, but there are already such problems in the world, because most of the problems will begin after him, because now there is a certain degree of military anesthesia. and when all sociologists are trying to signaling it is the same as trying to analyze the condition of a person who is not in a coma, but in a narcotic state, she is sleeping , you can describe her, here she is, here she is, and this is the expression on her face, she closed her eyes, she must be thinking about something, but she will wake up narcosis and the most profound thing is the narcosis of a person who has had an operation and it will hurt. when you are in a state of narcosis, even a local one, you do not feel pain. you know that the biggest problem begins even after a small operation. i am not talking about

the day when a political solution to the conflicts will be reached, it may not be the one that most of our compatriots have calculated , unfortunately, as it may be, it will be the end of anesthesia and then real sociology will begin at the same time, it will also be explosive, that is, people will simply run from side to side, from side to side, not understanding what is happening , and we must be ready for this, because there will be a huge conflict between common sense and madness in society in such a state, but in such a state, society will not easily succumb to some kind of comforting talk, what is it like now that they are talking about in marathons that we will rebuild , we will win, we will all return home, we will all be happy, not again in the post-war period

people will wait for a quick solution to other problems. they will think that they survived the war and deserve a better life. where is it from talking, let's rebuild, let's do nothing. the only thing that worries me in this situation is that the peace party will definitely appear . this is a real threat to the party. the leaders of the world will say that you see, of course, russia is an enemy there, it destroyed our country, it destroyed our life , murderers, rapists, but they are our neighbors, they will not go anywhere, we need to find some ways of coexistence as neighbors if we do not we want new missile strikes, and the people who, relatively speaking, roamed this country from the 14th to the 20th, there are four or five years there, this is a party of war, they brought it to this point when they

came to power, the war began and they promised that they would negotiate a war, and they crushed it only worse. and we are the peace party. we want to go to europe and the west. we are sure that this can be done by ensuring peace . here is a wonderful political program. i think that the vast majority of the population of the eastern and southern regions of ukraine will vote for this program. moreover, what you see now is dangerous trends, which i am also not very worried about, and i really hope that the authorities will respond by then, this is already a real church split, because it is geographical, you see how the regional councils in the western and central regions of our country and the northern ones, one by one, prohibit the activities of the ukrainian orthodox the churches of the moscow patriarchate either refuse to use the land or close their churches

, the communities there write e-e letters that they want to be part of the ptu, make such decisions. and in our east or south, we have seen there is no such president, even in those regions most seriously affected by russian aggression. here an important question arises, if the government is unable to resolve the issue of the functioning of the russian orthodox church on ukrainian soil, simply at the national level, we will have half of the country going to one church and half which will go, the other half of the country will celebrate christmas according to the new julian calendar, half according to the section, that is, even the holidays will be on different days

in kharkiv, odessa, and in kyiv, in lviv, there you will be uh, the new year is conditional on christmas, it will be december 24, and there on january 7, you will move the language, not from rome, the calendar border , imagine what we can achieve in the coming years here. we simply cannot see them beyond these lines and this is a dangerously competent policy that in order to save and prevent this split, i think that it is necessary to limit the existence of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, it is necessary to demand from the ukrainian orthodox church of moscow to the patriarchate that it has clearly proven that it has no ties with the uoc-mp, it is necessary to set specific demands, such as, say , the republic of latvia set the latvian orthodox church. you must demand autocephaly. you must renounce any relations, even canonical ones.

o it will be officially announced, you have to create create a single orthodox church with ptu in one or another, decide for yourself, decide for yourself as you want. well, fine, but if the uoc mp remains on the basis on which it exists today, its existence will lead to the split of ukraine. well, that’s also real, what can i say here? and uh, i don’t see any horror in this, it’s not a terrible dream. i think that there are many honest priests and parishioners in the uoc mp who do not want this growth, and that too then they are also in the east, and there are definitely other people in that too, there are people who are part of the machine of patriarch kirill , there are collaborators, but he is an honest priest, this must also be realized, and i think that the authorities should not dictate the ukrainian orthodox churches of the moscow patriarchate which they have to be and the inner life she herself only has to decide how to negotiate with constantinople on what basis to unite with the orthodox church

of ukraine how to return to canonicality, but the state must clearly demand that you either return to subordination or you have no right to this land to these churches to these communities to exist you just can't be a religious organization that owns all this property and all the opportunities that were given to you because you are part of the occupying body. well, i think that this should honestly be a conversation. we read, for example, in the russian media, they say that our bishop paul, whom we know more like your mercedes , is trying to contact patriarch kirill somehow, but it's all in vain. kirill something is not going to contact him, i think listen, when is he like putin he uses people and then forgets about them, then i mention them again, but the matter is not metropolitan paul and metropolitan onufriy. the point is that we must

realize that this church for 100 years was a much more serious instrument of russification of ukrainian civilization more space than even the communist party of the soviet union, do you understand communism, you can get rid of it because it is an ersatz religion, not the religion itself, the bolsheviks created their own party , their cult of all their saints from lenin , yevgeny bosch to kirov and kalinin, exactly according to the example of the russian orthodox church, nothing i did not invent slogans, the saints in the portraits are very similar, the essence of the elite is, yes, there is a calendar, but it is ersatz, so when this paragraph ceases to exist, its believers also cease to exist, they simply do not exist anymore

in some poor societies, you know it they exist and are gaining power, right now the prime minister is there, the representative of the communist party is there, the mariy center , so what? well, it exists and nothing, and he runs the government, and there are several more such examples that can be given when people vote for communists, so uh, because utopia in a poor society always wins , but this church itself, when it is a representative of such an ancient tradition, it is very serious and has a very significant influence on the state of society. and included itself in the belarusian ukrainian lands, two completely different processes took place there, the belarusians were greek catholics and they were of the greek catholic faith, devoid of tradition , the russian orthodox

church simply came there harshly and essentially deprived the belarusians of their identity, and here since the greek catholic church was actually here destroyed i do not mean western, eastern , central, central ukraine, primarily destroyed during the uprising of bohdan khmelnytskyi, and here the main such i would say the heartland continued to be the kyiv metropolitanate the kyiv metropolis simply at some point became part of the russian orthodox church without changing in particular, that is, what changed for a person who went to the church of the kyiv metropolis before and after its actual annexation of the moscow metropolis well, the same priest the same words, the same prayers well, they just remember that the patriarch of moscow well , i have mistaken him before among other patriarchs as an ordinary person to figure out in which city he is commemorated, it is actually difficult , but the essence was that this annexation