[000:00:00;00] and essentially deprived the belarusians of their identity, and here since the greek catholic church was actually destroyed here, i do not mean western , eastern central central ukraine, primarily destroyed during the uprising of bohdan khmelnytskyi, and here the main such i would say the heartland continued because the kyiv metropolis and the kyiv the metropolis simply at some point became part of the russian orthodox church without changing in particular, that is, what changed for the person who went to the church of the kyiv metropolis before and after its actual annexation the same priest of the moscow metropolis. the same words, the same prayers. well, they just commemorate the patriarch of moscow , well, he was mistaken for a patriarch before , as it is for an ordinary person to decide in which city he is commemorated. it's really difficult , but the essence was that this

annexation allowed moscow, through this metropolis , through these very people, through all this, in one way or another, to influence the self-awareness of the ukrainian people, to accustom them to a lower cost, to accustom them that the center is in moscow, that ancient times in moscow that it really is the center of civilization, although in fact the truth is that it is the moscow metropolis, a continuation of kyiv, on the contrary, that it is with the kyiv metropolitan that the metropolitans headed the services in moscow and vice versa, then the moscow princes invented for themselves, first there were princes in volodymyr, they invented for themselves the volodymyr metropolitan, then the moscow ones prince, but this time it came from kyiv. it was the main table for all these lands for 100 years, and they replaced, i would say, you know, the cart and the horse and

turned the whole situation upside down and the people for 100 years, we have lived in this place in this same place, and they still see the light coming from moscow . to understand this, you need to learn history, well, really , you can’t even learn history, because if in a normal country you can’t learn history , you just know it, you understand, well, it ’s elementary. it’s elementary if someone in london believed that the history of great britain in general begins from new york well, where was the center in general, from there everything went from new york or maybe from toronto well, it’s the same too well, yes

, no one in the british isles thinks of it and canada is large in terms of territory and cultural assets of the state, and all of them are respected by great britain in allied relations with them, but no englishman has the slightest idea that the history of england began in america, because he knows that it is the other way around, and the people who lived on these lands who they claimed that their history actually began in moscow, and that all civilization was in moscow , and here there was a village and there a city, and it was all a complete hoax, and the church , using its moral authority , continued to impose this worldview on people because it was russian do you believe that pasha mercedes, if he convinces there that he does not have any relationship with russia , the russian orthodox church will rush to talk about how to love ukraine and

pray for ukraine for its victory. i think that such people as metropolitan pavlo are sincere are convinced of what they are doing, and this is not only a question of money, it is a question of sectarianism to a certain extent, they are with airplanes, people by identity. by the way, if there was no christ on this person, there is no christ on him in principle, and to put it somewhere, i would even say that it is absolutely soviet man well, there were soviet priests, there were people who were simply sent to the russian orthodox church from the federal security service of the russian federation or from the kgb of the ussr i was always surprised by patriarch kirill. of kaliningrad and the head of the department of external church communications of the moscow patriarchate. i followed his statement even then, i went to his press

conference and listened. as a political figure, he surprised me by the fact that he did not speak like a priest, but i am used to the way priests speak, i communicated with many metropolitans and in russian the orthodox church knew patriarch oleksiy with us , metropolitan filaret of nafta, metropolitan juvinal, they had one intonation row of people who, in principle, were used to praying, and patriarch kirill all the time when he was metropolitan kirill always talked in a different way. well, it's just normal, that is, unusual. and since i was in some offices, people were talking, and only when i heard that he was, in principle , an fsb agent, who was on a trail after which he was sent to monitor priests somewhere abroad, but recently i suddenly understood everything that he spoke as a holy priest because he is not a priest, he is a high-ranking officer of the state security committee of the soviet union . in this way, i heard such intonations when

i spoke with people from the czech environment and it is strange that this person did not even learn, maybe he did not want to, maybe they thought that such an intonation scares his colleagues, but to speak the way a priest should speak , because he why so ? he goes when he has to read sermons, i can't read it. he hosted a television program , he knows all this. well, he studied it all deeply, but he doesn't pray internally, and all these people are even connected to the kgb. they still lived in these prayers, well , they -e went for cooperation to to remain priests, we understand and it’s the other way around, this stas is a priest because he was an employee and he’s internal, he just knows how in this anecdote when there, uh , president putin asks, you know, it’s an anecdote from patriarch kirill, and father. what if suddenly god

really exists, so be god forbid. well, here it is, this is their true meaning, and everything fell into place for me , you know. that's how it is. i just thought, well, logically, correctly, if a person internally does not believe in anything and does not pray and does not touch anything, then he is talking with you as a professional politician well, he speaks in suviryan as a professional period of what they are, it's the intonation, it's not artificial, it's going , the inner person can be bad there. it can be in its composition not the same as a real priest should be, but it's internal let's say so he wants to be in prayer all the time, to pray for something, somehow to accept the world because of it, despite the fact that it may not be perfect there, and this. by the way, metropolitan pavlo , he also does not look particularly like a priest, i say to him, there is this thing there, there is a patriarch

he wears a cross there, but he talks to people like some kind of uh-uh, like some drunk uh-huh, he's crazy with uh-huh, and it's also somehow very strange . no, i don't want such words, but it seems that he just what he not from a mercedes, from some mare, it threatens journalists, it looks a bit like, you know, aunts who are hired to come to some questions, this is because i say i knew many higher hierarchs of the russian orthodox church, they never in their life were people with a very conservative view absolutely that is i can't even convey how, but they never talked like that because they already had a sense of self-respect, some journalist there, and you are a metropolitan member of the holy synod of the church, this one is just almost , there are exactly two steps left to god, how can you talk to a sinner, even

descending to his level, when from you depends on the salvation of thousands of people who look at you as their confessor. well, metropolitan pavlo doesn't cope with his sister as well as the head of the farm, well, he's just there, we're in the monastery, there's a farm of chickens , mercedes, well, that's clear, and that's very by the way, i wonder about the communist calendar about may 9, i jokingly call it the soviet easter, and this may 1 is palm sunday, and january 1 is christmas . well, these are victim jokes in russia . in christianity, christianity adjusted to the ancient pagan holidays, that's why we have ivan kupala, and this religious christian holiday. and in the italians , the assumption of the blessed virgin mary

is the main holiday of the year. well, the communists adjusted to the christian calendar, so they had votes for this nothing happened, they just don't understand, people who falsify history and people's lives, they can't do anything except remake them this year, their easter on may 9 will be a little bit messed up, only the president of kyrgyzstan is going to putin and moreover, all kinds of immortal regiments were canceled here and there, he happens to be there by chance, he just came for a visit and they don't let him , they don't let him, they don't let him leave. but just so that the visit came on these dates, do you remember when the president of azerbaijan, heydar alif, eh? came to putin on february 23, and they didn’t even cancel the joint press conference because he didn’t want to stand next to the price, or did he already

understand? well, as an experienced politician, he could be asked and he didn’t want to just take part in this, only this sudanese lord the general who is now destroying it with a hart, you also came then and supported this declaration of independence of the dnr of the lnr, and he is an ordinary bandit. we are just what he doesn’t care. it is better for him to live, to live in azerbaijan, so these are completely different motives, but as for may 9, i will tell you what i it seems that the essence here is not in safety, not because they are afraid of drones, they are afraid of portraits, because a large number of people and they cannot deny them this , they will go out on the streets not with portraits, yes, not with portraits of animals, but of fathers, brothers and men , and how the government he will say no, you know, don’t go out with them, it’s not our immortal regiment. well

, how can you say that when vladimir vladimirovich putin gives orders to create museums of special operations that we have in the museum of special operations yes, we have respected veterans heroes of the victims of the great war and they simply imagined that volodymyr volodymyrovych would come out with a portrait of stalin . i don't know there. well, the word is good there, the father or someone else, it doesn't matter. someone was carried there on a stick, and there will be a huge number of people with portraits of their relatives. one trouble another trouble in moscow everyone will walk around with portraits of their grandfathers and in small towns of regional centers with portraits of parents it is unpleasant weight and all this will be photographed and will be posted here watch the happy moscow demonstration

grandfathers fought and some were there but there are no grandfathers there, there are no young guys in modern photographs and women there or mothers with their portraits are crying badly because it is splitting the country again and again people you see they are there in moscow they don’t even notice how we we live, what is happening to us here in some national republics, like the buryats or the vaginsky buryat autonomous district, where they say there are almost no men left of conscription age, this will be a demonstration of the genocide of the russians against them that they were the first to throw them into is used as cannon fodder, and if the immortal regiment wants donetsk to do the same, russia now, according to the constitution of the russian federation, how it will look , you understand. that is, they have nothing left, they actually want to avoid reality in general, and in order to avoid reality, they are forced

to sacrifice their ideological symbols of this immortal regiment. this was their most successful invention. for all these years of independence, because , well, what can you say to people who just want to go out with portraits of their loved ones when you start talking listen it looks somehow not very beautiful they don't even understand what you're talking about because well it's a big war world war ii we remember our relatives what's the problem they don't even feel that you don't fall into the hook of this pobedobossia i i saw the immortal regiment in london and how many of them, well, it wasn't that, i remember a few years ago, maybe five years ago, there were a lot of them in london. well , because they and this one told me in may 2009

, i definitely think that nine on the 1st of may, so this one arranged for them to coincide with the celebrations in london on the occasion of the end of the second world war, they are celebrating the end of the second world war and we will come out with portraits of our dead relatives who participated in the second world war not on the side of the zhyterov heraldry germany i apologize on the side of great britain and the usa what is this? you understand, this is a very skillful propaganda technique. that is why this negativity is created during this immortal regiment. is injected and people don't even notice it, and i think that they did a great job here, they did a lot of such things , they did this advice. victory in israel

began to be held by veterans using those people whom they actually created. the living conditions in the soviet union itself are intolerable, do you understand that if you are a hero of the soviet union and you went to live in israel or there, i see these people in parades , they were with the stars of the heroes of the soviet union , so even being a hero of the soviet union, you felt that you were treated as a second-rate person, and now you are following israel , which in its wars defended its independence, including from soviet-made aircraft, the bombs here were soviet and will be determined for the fact that moscow was defended with a red and extinguished flag , jerusalem was protected. i saw it too, and i will tell you that again this is speculation when you, on the one hand, win this war and then you forget that

it was 39:41 years, this is not discussed, you saved the jews for the israelis from the holocaust, but what you did in 39-41 is what caused the holocaust. not about that you talk then you don't talk about the fact that the war was won together with the allies and when we said that the soviet people didn't know it, there was simply no information about it, i always say it 's not true i lived in the soviet union and i was uh 8 years old when it was on the 30th anniversary of the victory and there was an unknown film war, it was called in soviet production a documentary soviet-american something like great fatherland or something else it was filmed there by famous documentarians and it was directed by burt lancaster, a famous american actor

because it was filmed for the american audience to tell her about the contribution of the soviet union to the victory, but since it was a film for americans, there was a lot of talk about how the allies fought there , it was 20c and i knew from this film that the video was skewed to the united states, great britain , the soviet union, i watched this film on soviet television i didn't listen to the western radio station at that age, as you understand, but just watched the movie as a child. there was a bertlan casting, no, i don't know the soksanovskys or vyacheslav tikhonov, but the american star said all this and all that it was on soviet television, and i believed it. by the way, as a child, the question arises. why didn’t they believe it when they watched it? they didn’t want to know why it was the first and the second. this film was , but despite that film, how much information of all kinds and what kind of information is there in the text of the stomach, of course

only the victory of the soviet union is true, but if you wanted to know the truth, you could know it, they just didn’t want to and this propaganda was designed for those who didn’t want to know anything about it, who just wanted to forget it, even among the veterans of the war although i saw different people, again, we understand what a veteran of the war in the soviet union is, any person could get to the front with different political views and people whose political views were not the same as the ecosystem, they never defended this system and defended the so-called paletruks who said that they there they ran and shouted for the family for stalin and everyone rushed into the battle with screams born for stalin , but the truth was that all this did not happen , that the people did not care about slogans , not about may day demonstrations we understand that it didn't go out for people when they die, and then such a mythology was created that there is still a movie, that war is some kind of romantic movie there. well

, they are fighting right. they even banned movies and books about the so-called soldier's truth of this fellow countryman of ours, kyivan viktor nekrasov, who was the first to write a novel on behalf of a soldier in the trenches of stalingrad, eh well, at first he was given the stalin prize for it, but he was hated so much, this styler, the rest were promoted from the soviet union, so because he is above the truth, well, how much truth did he write about the war? he continued to speak the soldier's truth and no one liked it, well, this is also completely logical, so here is a wonderful analysis of this whole story, but what will we hear from putin on may 9? he still needs to somehow celebrate this main russian holiday. we can analyze this in accordance with the instructions he gives to the museums of the great patriotic war and the museum of special military operations, the task now is to turn the so-called special operation

of ukraine into a continuation of the second world war for the continuation of the great patriotic war, they defended moscow, defended sevastopol. that's the whole point, and we will destroy the new nazis. echoes destroyed those. they are all for the front, everything for the victory. he will try, you understand. he is a person who is completely immersed in the past . this is a person who is trying to protect some er-e mouths of the state and society, how is it different from a liberal , a liberal demands changes, you servator says, you know, we have a normal system, we have to improve it, and this is the struggle that is going on in to the civilized world and each of the pages is clearly valid when she defends her idea and putin is not a conservative, he is a reactionary

, he always wants to return to some uh world of his youth when he was a colonel or a uh captain kgb and he was fine because the vice-premier comes to him and says oh andriyovych we will create a children's movement первый he is shorter почему первый пяневый пионеры let them be called and she says that they voted and you will explain to the children explain to the children that they are pioneers in short, i want for them to be pioneers well, you are also drunk

, but so is the great patriotic war, which continues. in 2020, they said that it is possible to introduce a life sentence for treason, even to the most conservative russians, it seemed like a match right then and there, because well, how well, if we understand that the life sentence is given for murder for z- for murder in the presence of some we are in more difficult circumstances, if they give to terrorists who are involved in the death of dozens of people there and here, suddenly, next to them in one colony , a russian girl once showed such colonies for those who are serving life sentences. people, and for some reason, people who simply committed some political act, you can't be aged 10-15 there, but they are actually doomed to die in

prison, and during the war, it's not surprising, because the war, because it threatens us soon conquers nato and he takes many such steps step by step to turn the russian federation into a soviet union of stalin's model on the radio and from this point of view , by the way, he gives enormous opportunities to his heir, he can cancel not much , you understand. if he cancels even everything that putin did not accepted and earned exclusively in 2022 23 years, he will already be a liberal man god, what a reformer, here are the bears, you think, he came to power and now, for high treason, i will be imprisoned for 25 years, my god, all my life they dreamed yes. what a good president. well, by the way, by and large, it can be a logic of what reforms are. you know that the new president

of uzbekistan, shukat mirzoev, sometimes came to power. he promised his compatriots to cancel the exit visa. because during the presidency of his predecessor, islam kirill, in uzbekistan how in the soviet union , in order to leave , you had to get a non-visa for a certain country, and an exit visa for the police of the union, that’s how it was. you first went to these visa registration departments and got an exit visa, but you might not get any more they didn't receive anything for him, they didn't go anywhere, it turns out that they were in uzbekistan, i didn't even know, well, i don't know if they canceled it, i hope that's already the case, but the very fact that you can do such a reform and be considered a liberal when everywhere around you has already forgotten what it is when you need it in a neighboring country, some kazakhstan to explain to a young person and what is this and you live in this, well, from this point of view, putin's rule is a classic genre i would say we have very little time left i wanted to ask you about another the president of which we already mentioned today

is the president of biden, who is going for a second term, and a lot depends on this in relation to ukraine, how likely is it that biden will remain the president of the united states". because there is no one among the democrats who could stand up to him and who would want to do it, somehow it turned out that the democratic party does not have an obvious leader and it is strange that a person at such an age as the president should not be, i will simply say yes, even forced to go to the position of president because there is no bright figure which would have to represent such a great historical party, but in someone else's case, the republican party, too. we, except for donald trump, whom you know, so four years have passed and practically nothing has changed in these settings, and

so. in this way, first of all, you know the people who say that biden eh a person is not young, not a pioneer, it is unlikely that they will say that donald trump is a pioneer, that is, if the choice is between people of this age, then this difference in age is not of great importance, you understand. if the candidate from the republicans was 35 years old and everyone pointed to the big experience as this was said by a young, energetic person, and you know, can’t grandpa donald say that he is so young compared to grandpa joseph, well, a very similar situation. by the way, it has already happened in different countries, once upon a time, ariel-sharon fought with shiman peresos for power, and they are there they are also led by the two grandfathers of israeli politics. well, here is the result. by the way, this is the appearance of a minonitemiac for a long 10th anniversary, because

after such a uh-e rule of veterans , there is always a search for a strong young person and you can't uh-e notice that this person is also reached an old age sitting in the chair of the head of state. well, the same is true of the united states, so in principle, americans will vote. it is clear how they will choose between trump and biden, and those who do not want trump will still vote for biden. trump the possibility of mobilizing so many people that would allow him to defeat biden, i'm not sure, especially after the events related to the capitol, you understand because many americans will be afraid of trump, even people who traditionally could

to vote for any other republican, and trump will appear to them as a person who destroyed the very essence of american institutions or wanted to destroy them, that is, some conventionally speaking vice president pence. if the republicans nominated him, he could act as a defender of these institutions in the eyes of the americans, and they do not want biden they want republicans, here is pence, who has shown that he is on the lookout for democracy. for what he could defeat a democrat president and this is some kind of strange logic and it also says that the democratic party has changed beyond recognition over the years and something must be said when the democrats rally around biden and the republicans still understand that most of party members like trump, but the elite would somehow like to hold elections without him, it also does not contribute much

to their victory, so there are chances. well , whatever the greatest chances, it is also better for us, for ukrainians, for ukraine, it is not even i need to explain. thank you, mr. vitaly , for the conversation . thank you to our viewers who responded to our program here and asked where angelika calms you down for a while. for your attention, the final