[000:00:00;00] the support of russian units based in the temporarily occupied crimea, starting with aviation, and finally ending again with the same black sea fleet, and the fact that, in this case, it is becoming more and more inconvenient for the russian military from the point of view of staying and from the point of view of using combat tasks this means that their occupying units located on the mainland of ukraine will potentially receive less support from the russian troops located in crimea . that ukraine has strike systems that make it possible to hit russian military targets not only in the south of ukraine, for example, in the east, and it all flies to the crimea, er, all this forces the russians to make such chaotic movements, because, well, in the current circumstances, they have take into account this whole complex of factors that are now playing against them, we should try at the same time without

putting ourselves under attack, which is realistic in principle, taking into account all the circumstances, and try to strengthen our own defense in some way, so that the expected the ukrainian counteroffensive did not become a maximum surprise for them. it did not become a maximum military fiasco for them. ukraine is on the way to having everything necessary for the future counteroffensive. president volodymyr zelenskyi told foreign media that, according to him, all allies are trying to help our country on the eve of a counteroffensive, but there are times when something may be missing, we are preparing and he will be. i really believe that he will be successful, we will be able to where to buy our territories i am not ready to say in great detail when it will happen and in what way but i will be honest

, so many things depend on us, but there are many details in the supply of this or that weapon, for us there are big risks and if some things that we are waiting for if they won't reach, it's a risk for us, you will understand us , what kind of risk is that we will go ahead and go occupy here there are no questions here and there will be no hesitation, we will do it the main risk is that if there is not enough armored vehicles for example, we understand that there will be more victims. we really want to wait for everything that was promised to be ready. we started with this dialogue with you. this dialogue that was promised, well , the terms happen. unfortunately , mr. taras, they do not match a little, according to our president

, the russians are already thinking about defense, this is already the second part war and we intend to seize the initiative in this war, er, to defend , in fact, military experts say , is easier than to attack. initiatives on the front, ah, well, this is exactly what we were talking about, that is, all these erratic movements of the russians, they just indicate that they are trying to somehow gain a foothold in those parts of the territory of ukraine that they temporarily control. and accordingly, try to do something to somehow hold these territories in view of the counteroffensive of the armed forces of ukraine that we expect in terms of losses. well, here

if the russian army. to lose much more than in the offensive, well, if it were the same battle of stalingrad, which russian propagandists and the russian kremlin elites like to focus on, then if you just look at the ratio of losses of those who defended and those who did not , you can very quickly understand that marshal zhukov he was not as outstanding a strategist as he is portrayed by soviet and russian propaganda, e.e., in general, even if we talk about intercepting the initiative at least at the operational or tactical level, then definitely our counteroffensive is precisely the first such step, because in this way we will impose on the russians a different dynamic of hostilities than the one they are used to, we will force them to react to our actions. well, in principle, it is always with from the point of view of waging war, this is always a very positive thing, that is, if we only react to the actions of the enemy, we are, let's say, very limited in what we can actually do. but if we have

the opportunity to impose our own plan of action on the enemy, so to speak, and force him to react well, this is a slightly different quality er, the conduct of hostilities as such er, this contrast in itself, that is, it will only lay the foundation for the fact that we will eventually be able to seize the initiative completely because we understand that the number of that resource actually took the number of us ratios what do we have which we have prepared for this contrast . well, let's say it is minimal enough to solve the problems that the military and political leadership of our country is currently putting before the armed forces, but with the correct use of this resource, what provide including the help of our allies and the consideration and training of our senior officers, so command, and not only those who are those crews who will, relatively speaking, control the german leopards or the american bridles, so eh. all these things actually ensure that eh

at least these are the operational tactical tasks that will be set now in the context of this counteroffensive, they will actually be fulfilled, and in the end, another phase will begin again , so to speak, of this armed confrontation, we will try to squeeze the russians from the south er from the mainland of ukraine on the territory of the occupied crimea, where already as today, too, our conversation witnessed the targets, all actually already shot for the armed forces of ukraine, they will eventually provide the russians er from the east, so to speak, so er, well, to some extent react so what will the armed forces of ukraine do, so, well , we must understand the limitations of these goals, which this counteroffensive can actually bring us, but we must also understand that success will actually lay down the trajectory of how the fighting will develop action at least until the end

this year, and next year too, definitely. thank you for your expertise. taras zoftenko, an expert on international security of the ilko kucherev democratic initiatives foundation , was with us on a direct video link, and in his opinion, the expected ukrainian counteroffensive can become the foundation for the future complete victory of ukraine, they are the first met the enemy , they were the first to send the aggressor in the right direction, the first with honor, this is the slogan of the ukrainian border guards today, our state border is not just a line on a mat, it is a border between light and darkness, and every day they fight to restore and protect it happy border guard day of ukraine millions of frightened defenseless creatures whose only hope for

salvation stela ordinary ukrainian gorse oleksandr wandered through the mined forest for three weeks together with 13 horses feeding on leaves and tree bark of animals he saved oleksandr, the owner of the dog shelter looked for food in the occupied villages and fed 3.5 thousand dogs with soup for a month, saving them from starvation, veterinarian svitlana evacuated dozens of animals from the kharkiv ecopark every day, two of her colleagues, mykola saved 160 ostriches, which after a few months gave birth to a hundred little ostrich chicks, the light-hearted people of our people will definitely defeat the darkness. i lost my job and couldn't sit idly by the ground all my life

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nato. nato is not about attack, but about defense, and ukraine also wanted to be protected, said president volodymyr zelenskyi, according to him, joining the alliance requires an alliance decision, but if it was accepted by the current secretary general of nato, then ukraine was already in the alliance, the best security guarantees, this is too much because there are a large number of states, powerful modern weapons , sanctions, financial assistance what ukraine received in one way or another in a different way but nevertheless, everyone understood the strength of this alliance and we also wanted to be protected, and that is why i appealed and our last meeting with the yen was better than all our other meeting, and i am very grateful to him, but again

, this is a union decision, and i think that if the decision to join nato depended on stoltenberg , ukraine would be here. so that the door to nato would be opened for us so that we would cross this threshold. and in your opinion, will the victory of ukraine in the war be a decisive factor that will affect the decisions of these states, in particular those states that doubt well, first of all, i very i don't like that these doors are always somehow in russia, then they open wide, then they cover themselves, then the feet of the same hungary or other countries appear there, so i think that victory will be the main thing. i think the final element in our introduction

, because now many politicians, including the head of nato, say that after the victory, ukraine should most likely join nato. but i believe that at the current stage, ukraine should not only what i'm saying should be bullshit, the war will conditionally end in how many days, weeks, months, well, not years, we're entering and it must be confirmed in writing, the president is talking about it, the minister of foreign affairs said about it, that the title is enough to believe, in fact, well, that's not what they say, but i'm already interpreting it so that at the next summit, where will the president go , we receive either guarantees of clear deadlines or at least assurances that these deadlines

will be worked out in the near future, because we need specifics and it is not only us it is necessary for putin to understand that this process is not reversible, because he believes that until the war, nato will not expand in any way, although it is already common, and finland has already somehow expanded as a result of this war, and nato is actually under peter. but i think that ukraine for this is not the most painful moment for him, and the world must give a clear signal to putin that if this does not happen, this is a matter that has already been resolved. to demonstrate that it is not only, that is, it constantly demonstrated that it is a military-political alliance. but until this time , until february 24, it was rather political, and on february 24, it was and a month after it was politically military, they were afraid they did not

know, they did not believe in ukraine, now nato we we see and the president emphasizes that it became military-political in reality . they began to prepare for war to protect themselves and their partners. said let's do the finnishization of ukraine well, let's do it now, now we can already do it, there is already an example. and what is preventing us from writing the specific framework steps that you are talking about so that the greens are not hindered by a year of full-scale war, but we have not yet reached this stage of any specific political will lack of political will because look at the period if we take the case of finland well here

everything is clear very quickly political expediency and everyone's desire, it is done very quickly. therefore, this is a case for ukraine, and i think that at the upcoming freedom summit, if i'm not mistaken. yes, it should be prescribed there already. it's enough to simply open and close doors . you just need to draw an action plan, but not a plan of action , but simply well. and i will repeat the deadline, when after the victory and when we enter, and this must be said already today, and the president of ukraine also said that if the decision to take ukraine into nato was made by the secretary general of nato and genstonberg, then we would have already been in nato, and how important is the figure of the secretary general as an important influence, and how important is it as a component of success in our path or the path of any country in general to

becoming a member of the alliance? process, unfortunately or happily, how to look when it will be in nato, well, we can then look at it all from a different point of view , anyway, each country will make its own decision, and the secretary general can only he cannot speed up the process or slow it down these are pluses this is democracy in russia, in china, one person can decide it here, consensus is a more complicated process, but as practice shows , it is more effective in the long term, therefore , unfortunately, the secretary general is very sorry for us , personally, even if they will really want to, he will not be able to accept ours after all, there are interesting countries out there that will try to put our foot in this door, and we need to overcome this opposition already now so that this decision is adopted very quickly after the victory, for example, in

finland, we some time ago, we had an interview with a former ukrainian orthodox in poland and finland, and we talked about finland and nato, and he told us that finland had actually been preparing for nato entry for a long time, but had standardized its army in order to to be as close as possible to the standards that exist in nato, and when the time just came, they quickly made decisions and this process was quickly launched, and this is to the point that you also said about the procedures and standards that exist in the nato bloc regarding the entry of each of its members of the accession and so on, we are preparing, i understand that we are preparing, but what do you think about these procedures and standards? their compliance is such that it requires time for discussion, and so on. is it a plus for nato now or a minus, should we be more flexible in the world which are changing so quickly, which are now between, on the one hand, this is stability and predictability, but on the other hand, there are challenges that require

an immediate response by 24, then it was possible to play procedures, but everything was possible, the red cross and it and nato were possible, but this war has shown that a totalitarian state can act quickly, it destroys international law, it just throws a stone, this is a mirror, it shatters into pieces, and the civilized world follows procedures, and the one who runs slower always catches up, and the current situation shows that something needs to be changed and not be afraid to change for a specific the event if it is global i believe that it is necessary to review a lot like a fire because it showed that it just can peacetime all these organizations are very effective they are cool just an international cross

nato is just ideal, everything if there is no war, only war, everything starts with a battle, it seems to me that nato is the only one of those structures, well, it is starting to heal from this disease, they are starting to work for the future and faster , for example, if you look at what you can compare it to rammstein, for example, yes, it was formed very quickly, it is expanding this club reacts very quickly and it can grow into some club that will be non-alternative to nato or parallel to it. that is why we need to learn to react quickly and these procedures are necessary tie to life and not to the procedures that existed before, and then it will be effective bodies because, again, democracy is the enemy, it is much more mobile than democracy , we have one more important topic to discuss with you, i will do everything possible to make the terrorist state answer as soon as possible for the promises in his evening address, president volodymyr zelenskyi, the head of state, announced the preparation of powerful steps to create a tribunal on the crime of russian aggression and

also announced further sanctions against russia in ukraine and the world. it is not enough that only our russians are weak , as it is already happening now, we need her to be in order to answer for everything that has been done, we are not preparing new sanctions decisions against persons and companies who work for the vc of terrorists, in relation to foreign subjects, is there a supply that helps russia continue this aggression, soon all our decisions will be sanctions against the people of the company that are currently working for the terrorist, how effective are they, are any sanctions effective, this is a fact, but not in the sense that we want, there are no such solutions that would be solved

due to sanctions, well, there is the country of iran, which is it has lived under sanctions for more than 40 years and it has been living, it is making rockets, it is making missiles, it is arming its army and, to the great pity of the weapons of the army and its partners, so the only sanctions against russia are not to break this comprehensive approach, military, military component , economic component, political component, then this colossus will collapse, sanctions are very good, but each of these countries that is subject to sanctions is subject to sanctions, after a certain period it finds entry mechanisms and the 11th package, which is very difficult to be born like each of the sanctions packages, it will just be

concentrated on the development of mechanisms that will prevent the circumvention of sanctions, this is very important, although i am fully aware that it is not possible to close these loopholes 100%, because circumvention is beneficial to someone else, but everyone somehow finds nuances to somehow sell microcircuits to washing machines there and so on. and they somehow it happens and some, well, there and for oil and metal it also bypasses the sanction. however, it needs to be worked on and the european union understands this because the european union is already starting to voice the next thesis that runs out the limit of sanctions well, i categorically disagree with this, because while rosatom is working, it has not yet been exhausted, and these sanctions that already exist can be made tougher and the responsibility of those who help to circumvent them be made tougher. therefore, this is a long process, but it will give results in the long run but you yourself mentioned the example of dynamo , which works under sanctions, continues to produce weapons and sell them to its partners. well, that's why we

have such factors as the armed forces of ukraine, which carries out the toughest sanctions and pays more for it itself as power yes, there will be no other way, only a defeat, a total defeat of russia, plus then a reparations tribunal - this is definitely the case, it must be a penal state, it must come to atonement , although in fact i believe that this is impossible with the russians, they can simply be punished. just to the point, isn't it? the very idea that sanctions pressure can squeeze the economy of a country so much that it will explode into a utopian world in the modern world, which is very globalized and, as we can see , exist in different parts of it in different countries which influence the situation, yes, but i also agree with this opinion, but i remember that after the tenth package, putin came out

and said that the sanction is effective. it should be complex, the global world will not allow it, because there is still an opportunity to make money from it, other states make money from this war, and from circumventing sanctions, they make even more money, because there are risks for everything, so a comprehensive approach is necessary. meanwhile ukraine demands from poland and the european union to renew agricultural imports and transit in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, they call the situation unacceptable and emphasize that such decisions contradict the agreements between ukraine and the eu, such restrictions, which are not justified, do not correspond to the association agreement between ukraine and the eu and the principles and norms of the single the eu market, there are all legal grounds for the immediate resumption of export of ukrainian agricultural goods to poland , romania, hungary, slovakia and bulgaria

, as well as the continuation of unhindered export to of other eu member states and, in general, the unhindered transit of all ukrainian products to other countries, both within and outside the eu, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine called on partners to find a balanced solution based on the legislation of the eu association agreement and in the spirit of solidarity oleg nikolenko, spokesman for the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine opinion, will our partners find a balanced solution , some kind of compromise, and what can it be in order to satisfy all parties? well, you see, we found ourselves hostages of the political processes of some countries, well, the same poland the european union, where we are going and we really want to get there as soon as possible, after all, lives also at the expense of consensuses, and most likely they will serve the interests of the european union first of all. we must be realistic, not

ukraine, because economic selfishness is the right thing, in fact, for each country first we conditionally feed our own , then we will feed something else, and the case in poland shows that the political component forced the whole economic layer to rise to the well, at the protest, and they seemed to notice that there are ukrainian headlights that enter there, they are cheaper grain is also cheaper and so on, and that is why we need to give clear signals to the european union because we are future partners and future participants of this union . this is rather a moral component, and we have the right to count on it if they help us with weapons. they should have, not should

. i would like to say that they entered into a position because this is playing along with the kremlin, because the cream is also playing with the grain of the grain deal, and it is very important that well, we didn't get this little knife from our friends and partners , not that it will kill us. yes, but it will spoil our health even more, but in a month we will still have to look for it, because ukraine will become a full-fledged country sooner or later. a member of the european union and our goods, in particular, and grain, will be sold on equal terms on the european market, i agree with you and therefore believe that the position should be, well, let's say moderately tough from our point of view, because we must already show at the entrance that we are equal partner, that there are agreements and there are nuances, they believe that we have violated something, we believe that these are not inappropriate actions, but we are not yet, as

they say on the shore, we need to show our position that we want to be treated as equals and that these are all agreements were mutually beneficial to both our partners. we don't want it to be beneficial only to us, so we need to find a consensus and we need to do it already , this will be a big signal both within the european union and to our enemy that wherever we are going, we can reach a consensus in a peaceful way at the negotiating table if to return to the dynamics of the situation, first poland banned the import of ukrainian grain and a number of goods, then hungary, slovakia, bulgaria and romania joined, that is, the decision was made by national governments, but the european commission comes and says let 's make one decision at the national level and you will implement it yourself and they they say it is so good for ukraine that this issue has gone from the level of national governments to the national level to the level of the european court

, is this a plus or minus for future options the solution to this situation is two questions on the one hand. i think it is a plus. because there are more players involved and most likely the majority. maybe the minority, well, let’s say conditionally, press on and choose an option that will be convenient for everyone. on the other hand , i would really like it to be approved. decision in this sense throughout the european union. why, because for now, if we look at it, well, the border is actually the states that border us. there are not so many of them, and if this decision is extended to the entire european union, then it is not profitable. i think that everything will still be the first an option that they will look for a consensus that will be beneficial for us and for these countries. moreover, it is very interesting. for example, this is also hungary, well, i really like this country. they actually have a shortage of grain, and it would be beneficial for them to receive ukrainian grain, then the question arises

. why you, well, there is such a reluctance to get it in slovakia, products are also more expensive and for the same reason, why do they behave the way they do, the question is whether it is a question of economics or a question of politics, this is also very important. is this a sovereign decision, but how can it be, for example and hungary already feels that such a decision is a negative for itself. why is it being done this way? that is why there are very difficult questions to which i honestly do not know the answer. another question is that this is the issue of ukrainian food. it did not bother our neighbors so acutely last year . after all, the war has been going on for more than a year, but for some reason this question did not arise either in the summer or in the fall, well, in particular, when the new harvest was harvested.