[000:00:00;00] our ecology, our forest strips, forests, mined areas for the restoration of ukrainian territory, and ecology, well, there are prescribed reparations, ecology has no borders, and ecology is the ukrainian part of the ecosystem of the whole of europe , to be restored, russia did not kill with ukrainian ecology, russia has now killed the european ecosystem in 1.5 incomplete years of war, because ukrainian forests, ukrainian rivers are poisoned from the kakhov reservoir, which is needed only to be filled for one and a half years, and repair work on the dam must also be carried out for one and a half years or two, that's all the loss of ukrainian loss from shipping, well from blocked shipping. not to mention the proportions for all

this will have to be paid for and will have to be paid for 100 years ago, there is a concept of preserving russia as a single payer of this debt, well, ukraine has such a concept and china insists on it , because the chinese then see if they quietly get over the nuclear russian weapons. that's all . let's add taras zagorodny, the aviation technologist, to our conversation. congratulations, mr. taras. you hear us like that. and we didn't press you . please tell us something. have a good day! taras, look, we are fixing here on the statement of merkel's angels, she returned from such a political acquisition and gave an interview to journalists diy german, we said that there is no need to hiss at those who offer to talk about the possibility of negotiations with russia, e-e please comment, this is some kind of new mainstream appears among the german and generally european politicians and

the world regarding the change of mood regarding the peace talks . i am asking what merkel and now in germany are asking themselves the question why was she so loyal to the russian federation and angela merkel now recognizes the interview more because i understand one simple thing that she can end up together with putov works in the case of both a participant and therefore she is rich here, in an interview she tells how she loved ukraine so much, they loved ukraine so much that after the 14th year she was the initiator of the supply of weapons to our state by fishermen, drank it through obama and in less than two years did not supply any weapons at all and on goods double the appointment, that is, it can be the russian federation, it is important for us to hear you, so let's re-record the sound, is it spazmozhno suitable, yes, and

we want to hear you, we are re-recording taras from the garden what do you think, the current chancellor of germany schulz has the most interesting position on this issue, he is very well embedded in the police and he , er, tries not to pull the blanket, er, well, let's say mono-party, he still looks back at the position of other members of the free democrats , greens, and in this sense, he behaves as an integral integrating figure for the coalition er, at least recently, there have never been any provocative statements from his side, well, those that affected not only ukrainians, but others, but he somehow keeps this way, maybe it is even a certain impersonality , but he is definitely consistent in terms of observing the principles of the washington declaration and the consistency with which germany supports ukraine. well, i'll say it. it's simple. well, some kind of

revolution, worldview consistency, this pace . you often remember that we have a somewhat unclouded view. it very easily spills over only to the armed component, but germany's finances help us enormously. colossal sums, the humanitarian component is simply colossal, excellent conditions for our refugees are one of the best in europe, ah, medicine, everything related to such a truly humanitarian secret is here simply well, let's say, let's remember how these blockades happened, how many generators did germany drive here, by the way, how are we forgetting about japan in the background in japan, distant japan is helping this year by 7 billion dollars , a huge amount for our budget, so the appeal has returned to us, ms. taras, let her know about

angela merkel and her return and position well, olaf scholz, the current chancellor, has been criticized by the chancellors for how different his positions are on this issue. please tell me, i don’t know. have you heard angela merkel? she is in a ticklish situation because there are already many questions in germany, why is germany so iron-fisted and so directly dependent on the russian federation for 20 years? mrs. merkel's government, and that's why i think that mrs. merkel feels that she can also have questions for her , and for ukraine, too, that she can be a member of putin putin and also find herself in the gas as co-responsible for what has happened up until now, we must understand that without the tacit consent of germany, the 14th year would not have happened. because it was germany that was the initiator in the person of mrs. merkel to prevent ukraine from joining nato, germany together with

france actually you didn't care what happened in 2008 in georgia, that's why there are a lot of questions, that's why mrs. merkel is trying to tell how she loved ukraine so much. here's what she couldn't eat, and of course what they're trying to do is to sell her ties with the russian federation, although after er, as the warrant for the arrest of mr. putin has been announced, there can be no negotiations with mr. putin, and that is why i do not understand what ms. merkel's file says about the positions of germany. germany, like the old europe, for three months persuaded ukraine to surrender the turning point was , of course, bucha, after which even the pro-russian lobbyists in the same germany and

france and in italy could no longer say anything, nothing, nothing to help. was i am sure that this was the common position of the old europe, which basically consisted in the fact that let's give up the territory and there we will negotiate, as they said about joint territories, that is, they already considered the captured territory already disputed territories. and the last moment of trying to persuade ukraine to surrender, of course, was on june 16 when the three of them came to ukraine. when they were clearly told that germany was more forced to help ukraine because it understood that it could and now finds itself isolated in europe because of its position in relation to russia. therefore, it is more of a forced aid, because you remember that it all started with five thousand helmets, which by the way, we didn't see, uh, it was like this, you know , an attempt to pretend that

something is happening, because of course, the position of u but if we talk about the ratio or look at the ratio of the gdp of the countries that help ukraine and their number, then of course the leaders are the baltic countries and poland, and in principle, from this ratio, you can understand that some are cheering more for the victory ukraine is in europe, the country of estonia, estonia is now leading in the same way as poland, which are the countries of scandinavia, that is, all of these eastern, eastern countries that are on the periphery are actually more precisely at the junction, it is called the frontier countries between western and eastern civilizations, and of course they support them more than all of them well, germany helps more because they are more forced

to do it but do you remember what mr. melnyk said when he was in this and that then in berlin, uh, there they met with the minister the minister of finance said that he can talk to you. there will be a new government there in two or three weeks . yes, it will be 20,000 in two or three days and everything will be over, said the minister of finance. management in the eu is the second time, they went to the so-called continental union with moscow and beijing, which greatly disturbed the united states of america , because the eu has germany, there is russian technology, there is gas , and the usual market of sales in china that is why this

continental union was being built. germany fell out of this atlantic cooperation, which worried the united states of america very much. therefore, so far, what is happening, you know, is forced. i think they are forced to help because they talked a lot about values, now they are forced to help, but we must understand that we are helped only because of the ukrainian army and the victory of the ukrainian people. if no one fought, no one helped anyone, this is for sure , by the way, it is worth remembering every time when we are thinking whether we should, for example, deal with internal reforms, why do they demand it from us, no, even though we have to change , become better, demonstrate something, then there will be those who willingly support it, and i would also like to talk about the topic of how sincere the frog gadyuking is. among these, the kremlin tower of some military-political milieu in the russian federation itself, prigozhin once again criticized the ministry of defense of the russian federation even threatens

to take away its musicians from the district bakhmut emphasizes that he lacks ammunition. the institute for the study of war believes that prigozhin is now moving towards rapprochement with general armagedron surovikin, who distinguished himself both in ukraine and in syria. p tsybulko , money for the war is running out in russia, too, and people are running out, at least for prigozhin, and the political activity that prigozhin developed looks like another way to make the civilized world talk precisely with putin, because handsomeness is such a plus of wildness against the background of the supposedly not wild putin, in fact, in my opinion, the civilized world already today understands that the cheapest pole

in russia is putin himself and not handsomely, only his pale skins are beautiful your position yes , and not too much, in general, we pay a lot of attention to such characters as prigozhin, well, the person spent 10 years there as a criminal authority. well, then he created bot farms there, he met the kremlin, does it withhold funding from them? in general, and that figure who can create at least some kind of future for the russian federation. is this just a nuke of a russian political beaumond , i ask, how much does this wagner come, because in principle, there is probably someone who can lead the wagner dude. the question is that the very function of this structure, that is, putin's government, it stepped on its own throat when

they started to launch this power structure in general, because , after all, in russia, the monopoly on violence was held only by the power of the fsb, the army of the national guard, and so on, it appeared here this one a gray structure that is unknown, in which it is subordinated to, how it works and in the end what will be the consequences of its work . and yes, it is worth attention in principle because this gray structure will most likely be one of the participants in the participants of the future civil war i am not in the russian federation, i think that it is quite possible that it will be a participant in the redistribution of e-e property in the russian federation because either, well, such racketeers, you know how it was in the 90s, but already in such a large format, putin is playing

wagner. i agree with mr. tzubulko as he's such a bully that he's been playing for a long time in principle. look, there's more, he's more crazy . don't press and god forbid they will appear in power. prigozhin, i understand that he is such, his function is to frighten, including the west, but sooner or later you know, uh, dolls can break ropes and uh, they can go to the first league, including claiming a large piece of power, because with all uh- e putin , in principle, the fsb never allowed this the most, the most, the most mad part of the society to the authorities. they have always kept margins somewhere, and in the threatened there is every chance to enter the niche of zhirynovsky, who died and it is now very empty, and therefore a plus . he has a media presence, a plus. he has a media

structure, a plus. he has a military structure, but in russia it is not actually under the control of the official government, there are only two military structures, this is wagner’s dude and kadyrov’s army, so of course they will play a role now , they will now play a role, but it is not important who will lead it at the great desire of the fsb or the game that, in principle, created the wagner dude, can remove the beauty at any moment, which means it is not in time for this case. and to lead, to lead , that's all . such a structure that, in principle, used russia so much abroad , that is, because in africa or in the 14th year in the donbas , and now it is actually, well, let's be frank, a transnational corporation that

works, including in the domestic market of the russian federation in russia , there are almost half a million sydelians. i just don't know whether they have the right to vote or not. they seem to have some kind of pleasure. well, something is wrong here. i looked at the structure of the current sydelians, out of 400, i think 30,000 have disappeared from prison, about 30 thousand, that is, in basically, all the same, the nezeks in the structure of wagner are fighting, and all the same, mercenaries are interested in voting for him because he is his own, like yanukovych, you remember, but he is not from the caste for which they are voting. by the way , today's news is in and here is olga romanova e if the founder of this human rights organization notes that

in the month of april alone, 10,000 of these sydelians were recruited, that is, those who are currently sitting but are not recruited by the ministry of defense of the russian federation. well, first of all , in fact, such private military companies for two individuals, because this chechen guard is really in the structure of the guard, but uh, it's just adventurous gangs, they actually took them out from abroad because they fought not only, well, uh, in donbas, they fought in africa they distinguished themselves there in many countries, somewhere in ten or even 15 countries, by the way , they smoked out the french contingent from a small age and this was a very painful moment for france. they fought in lee and got it by

mail. er, and they were distinguished by special savagery in syria. that is, i think they were thrown on the territory of ukraine in order to create a negotiating position that the spill will happen soon. it is possible to create another charity check for the organization. all er are real rus lying, well, for full rus on the courts for the corps of god, guys. thank you. we thank you very much taras from the political technologist in vozhorod, who joined our conversation at espresso today and of course, er, of course volodymyr tsibulko is also a guest of our studio and a political scientist. thank you for this conversation. we already miss such a format of calm conversations . sunday allows. and i really want to emphasize for all our tv viewers the big difference between

last year, right this time last year and now last year, we thought how may 9 will pass, what will russia achieve with a nuclear attack there. what else can happen in this kind of year. all of russia is canceling region by region the military advice of the uprising of all these dead people on sticks are canceled that self-imposed is absolutely fine. i congratulate all of us on this. we will talk about the confiscation of russian property and assets under sanctioned persons, but in situations where ukrainians suffer a little from this , how does it turn out further in the plot where we say goodbye , stay with us with our espresso channels hotshocher iryna khrystyna, i told you last year in may, the verkhovna rada passed a law on the confiscation of property of russians and belarusians, the document introduced a new type of sanction for confiscation of assets belonging to a natural or legal person to the state income , ukrainians rejoiced because the business of citizens from the aggressor countries will finally work for defense capability and restoration of our state , the first category is property owned by

russia, the second category is assets owned by citizens and companies from russia under sanctions, the third category is the assets of russian banks, the fiscation process turned out to be quite ill-conceived and indecipherable, in many cases, together with the assets of russians and belarusians, state institutions began to take away businesses and ukrainians themselves, and even more , transfer these shares not to the state, but to individual private firms. or russian companies and their shares. and do not touch the shares of ukrainian businessmen in ukrainian companies, because in this way we are already in a difficult economic situation in the country getting worse, the largest producer of bottled water in ukraine, ids ukraine, which produces the popular brands morshinska and myrhorodska, fell under the hot hands of the confiscators. the workers seized the corporate

rights of the entire company, not only the share of the russians. in this way, the interests of the company's ukrainian founders, as well as shareholders and investors from georgia and great britain existing collectors both substations and substations are trying to completely deprive the right to manage this business to transfer which from a third party everything happened in the shortest possible time, the employees of the bureau of economic security initiate the seizure of all corporate rights of morshynska and the father of the founder of that there is morshynska water before me, before i did not have it back in 1996, in 1996, we with the ukrainian er, colleagues founded this factory and the factories developed and needed investment in 2012. in 2012, part of the shares of

the ids company are bought by residents of great britain, ethnic georgians, the patrikatsishvili family, they become majority shareholders, and then a certain part of the shares are sold to the russian oligarch friedman and other russians in 2012. this was a completely legal sale, everything happened before the russian annexation of crimea and the occupation of part of donbas, when, as they say now, the criminal regime of tetyanukovych wanted to take everything from me. shareholders, i.e., ethnic georgians, they, they, they were the same then, they were also the majority shareholders, which means, uh, they put up for sale a share of their own , that's right, and then fidman and the company went to as of 2022, more than 50% of the company's shares belonged to the british and ukrainians

, in particular, almost 35% were owned by british citizens, the patrikatsishvili family, the georgian government owned almost eight percent, minority shareholders, in particular vsevolod billa, owned 7.45%. less than half of the shares belonged to the russians , in particular to friedman. thank god they have less than 50%. and in accordance with international and ukrainian legislation, they do not have access to the adoption of the company and do not have access to receive income from its activities and without understanding the structure property, bep employees seize the corporate rights of not only russians, but the entire ids ukraine company in june of last year, the seized assets go to the national agency for search and asset management in february arma begins to look for a manager for the company, announces

a tender for which 10 applicants come , eight companies are immediately rejected, admitting to there are only two auctions, and the direct competitor of ids, the carpathian mineral water company, will win the competition. other scales of their activities, the total turnover of their group of companies, that is, a trading house, a manufacturer, is about 700 million a year , despite the fact that our business only pays 700 million in taxes , how did the competition take place? arma announced it on february 10 and completed the acceptance of documents in 12 days. lawyers believe that the term is too short how can you make a business management program if you do not have any information about this business except that it exists and produces such a product, you do not

know any economic processes of this business, logistics, production, and so on. that is, in fact, some program is written from the ceiling. the winner of carpathian mineral water llc was announced on march 13, in order to understand the criteria by which arma chose it. the following criteria are established: the presence of a sufficient material and technical base and the number of employees; information about the financial situation ; the absence of criminal records and sanctions; relations with the owners of seized assets, the experience of commercial activity in a specific market, the submission of a complete , high-quality, comprehensively argued asset management program is of key importance for competitive selection , instead, ukraine points to violations that were committed during the transfer of the company to

the management of competitors, first, even to manage corporate corporate rights this winner must have a license of the national commission, well, in our commission , none of the participants in that competition has such a license. there is no second place to transfer to the management of these shares must be approved by the antimonopoly committee for concentration, it’s also not, well, there is no such thing, it means that to take in ukraine, you need to make an assessment of the shares, there is also no dictionary of carpathian mineral water llc, which was transferred to the management of the morshyn and myrhorod yakiper and ukrainian companies, and the ultimate owner is serhiy ustenko , the son of the former chairman of the socialist party of ukraine petro ustenko, a year ago

, the party's activities were stopped by the decision of the nsdc on and the company is actually trying to seize e-e by the hands of the army. the same carpathian spring, free the management and manage here, we received a document of carpathian mineral waters with a management program by ids ukraine , how will the new manager develop morshyn and myrgorod, first of all , new managers of legal entities will be determined in carpathian mineral waters, corporate rights that have been arrested kmv management sees the development of seized assets through the effective use of advanced technologies and plans to optimize the main components of the business, the implementation of the material and technical base and the staff of other factories are waiting for the layoff of workers and a reduction in production capacity, say the lawyers of ids ukraine, this is all aimed

at reducing the scale of this business at a minimum or stopping it altogether . krasnyuka, your company won a competition from the army to select a manager for ads ukraine morshinska myrhorodska what are your plans for these plants? social networks and sent several journalistic requests, the owner of carpathian mineral waters promised a comment and we are still waiting for him, meanwhile, economists are convinced that the indecipherable imposition of sanctions puts not only individual ukrainian entrepreneurs at risk, but also the economy as a whole in this ukrainian company

, which is given by ukrainian owners or control by ukrainian owners must continue to work because these are jobs, this is the payment of taxes to the budgets of all levels in ukraine, and therefore we now need to protect each subject management in order to support the ukrainian economy ukrainians and their rights in the courts the case of morshyn and myrhorod is not the only case when ukrainian business suffers during attempts to seize russian property for the benefit of the state 100% of the shares of the zhezheliv and khust quarries were confiscated both objects were previously part of orbits under the sanctioned russian businessman oleg derybaska and in 2021 four ukrainians and a german citizen became the owners

, the russian world also led to the arrest of one of of the capital shopping center, which was purchased by a citizen of ukraine even before the full-scale invasion of the russians. my greetings to everyone from espresso. time to learn about the most important events . residential building, people continue to bring