[000:00:00;00] i want information we were betrayed everything is bad we have no chance they cause people negative emotions impose panic and feelings with no way out therefore critically perceive emotional information check who is spreading it be careful russian invaders and their agents can do it protected psyche protected ukraine congratulations our friends watch for you the next three hours are working with us today and we are talking about ukraine about why our current school children will be teaching for 12 years soon but about everything

in order we will start with the fact that we all from the beginning of a full-scale invasion, as the majority of ukrainians are now trying to switch to ukrainian, or about the trends of ukrainization, let's talk further, we are waiting until the word for the inclusion of the ukrainian singer oleg skrypka, so it will be interesting, don't switch. after the start of the full-scale war, ukrainianization took place rapidly and without state intervention , according to sociological surveys over 20% of the population switched to communicating in the ukrainian language in everyday life voluntarily without any ukrainization, said tkachenko. at the same time, in his opinion, the situation will be different in the territories that have been under russian occupation since 2014, in particular in crimea and other parts of the donetsk and luhansk regions that were under occupation almost 10 years, what ukrainization will still be needed, but how it will be legally formalized and whether any transitional provisions to the language law will be adopted, it is still unknown with us at the

valentin glykh studio, political scientist, mr. valentin you congratulations, congratulations, ms. valentina is also in touch with us today, taras kray skrini , the authorized representative for the protection of the state language. pleased with your presence in the studio , so let's start with you, we know that you yourself are from the luhansk region. tell us how it was for you at the time to learn ukrainian, to switch to making it the main language, because your example can be illustrative did you not switch at all? no, my parents just bought books, not vodka. well, although before i had a russian-speaking family, i

communicated with my parents in russian, and there was a russian-speaking school. finished that in the soviet union, then i came to kyiv, got off at the train station and said and said that i will speak ukrainian and started speaking ukrainian and since apparently in childhood i did not lack vitamins and other nutrients for intellectual development is not modern or something similar. for me, the ukrainian language is the language of culture and education, because it was not born to my grandmother in the village, because

i did not have a grandmother in the village. well, i am a child of asphalt, so that is why i never had any i don't understand where they get these complexes about the alleged village there, some kind of rural language there or something else , for me the ukrainian language is the language of culture and education, the language of which i communicated at the taras shevchenko national university of kyiv. well, i communicated in russian at home at home there are three, three fighters with gopniks, when i drove the dogs three beads at a time, i said my father, that is, i didn't have any, it's not that it's a complex for me, on the contrary, belonging to the ukrainian language - it's like a step forward it's like mastering latin from the teutonic forest and still in the skins of the aristocracy of the fifth century, and here in rome they have already mastered latin. they have already taken a step forward on the evolutionary path, although for the sake of justice it must be said that when we lived in a dormitory and there were a lot of people from different regions

of ukraine, they spoke the ukrainian language well, that's how it is in everyday life only i constantly moved, but many of my friends from volyn, galicia, for some reason started to speak russian, and why was it very funny when, well, people who came there spoke ukrainian among themselves, for some reason they started speaking russian, and it looked very comment i'm not talking about whether you can be considered a russian language , what do you use in your communication , this is russian, yes, yesterday the blood was still twirling, to put it bluntly, today they have all become urbanized cities, then i don't understand at all just this uh, status uh- is some kind of positioning of the languages ​​because, thank god, they are not soviet, the union, yes, in the soviet union, the language of education and the language of culture was russian. if you want to advance further, you should master the russian language in ukraine . it seems to me that this topic should have been closed a long time ago when i hear about gentle ukrainization. i do not at all gives what we are talking about in the 30th year, well, the 31st year of independence

. how gentle is ukrainianization ? means well, the 31st year of independence. what kind of gentle vulcanization is needed to talk about in more detail, oleg well, as far as i know , your childhood was in general, oleg, your childhood was spent in russia, and then you came to kyiv, where you actually spoke half russian there. it seems to me before. yes, exactly, when you realized that you would speak ukrainian, i was a little bit of a ward, i was born in tajikistan and lived in tajikistan. the first years, then i moved to russia from russia. i moved to

soviet and russian-speaking kyiv did not speak ukrainian here at all, but i was very lucky that sometimes my parents took me to the ukrainian-speaking poltava region, and it was the gentle, charming, soulfully lush ukrainian -speaking poltava region. language for the first time, the first time, well, if i had accepted the language there with my children's fibers, and then i went to france , as a russian-speaking boy . of his culture and to be built on it. so, ukrainian is the third language after russian, after french, french, and then i learned ukrainian. so, in principle , i have an attitude towards ukrainian

culture. there, on the example of the french, and everything there , i call a ukrainian, a ukrainian, a people of french origin, so they say that it was in france that you realized how i would take these theses in general, whether mildly or not mildly , ukrainization must be ukrainization at all , because it did not exist, there was russification of ukraine . you have been talking about this for four centuries. she was very successful very successful, but somehow, like that grass breaks through the asphalt, this language and culture breaks through, because it is worth it, it is lush, it is charming, it is cultural, it is rich, i started writing songs in the ukrainian language because because i, as a creature, i appreciated how much this

the language is as fertile as our black soil. so, and how convenient it is to sing rock and roll, and i came up with such a phenomenon as ukrainian rock and roll, so i was the first to start to write rock songs er ukrainian so and er and it turned out it turned out to be such and such well no i know this kind of material is very, very powerful. through the song, through the song, i began to ukrainize myself, mr. lying. you said that it was france that became an example for you of how the state should treat language . give examples. time in ukraine well, if we had a society called akhlocracy, that is, when er-er not with dominate over verms and

it happened that spoke russian, if people from the village that came and they were in this russian-speaking flora and they wanted to speak russian , but there was also a refined intelligentsia of kyiv. and there were and are, unfortunately, they do not dominate our society, that's why if ukrainization is happening now, it's a vulgar organization, it's even happening, that is, once again , the bottoms, which are soviet, they continue to dominate our society this should not be the case, we will talk about this in more detail a little later and about ukrainian modern ukrainian culture . and now i would like to add flint tracks, mr.

taras. please tell me what the dynamics are now in general after the start of a full-scale invasion, according to your information, according to your possible research, according to the information you do you know what the dynamics are and whether the number of ukrainians switching from russian to ukrainian has increased. thank you, of course. it would be nice to return to the results of sociological research during the 22nd year, there were several, and all of them talk about progressing to employment and the transition to the use of the ukrainian language in all spheres of social life, and they talk , among other things, about the obligation and constant communication in that the more a person, a child , adults communicate at home, the more rather , they fulfill the norms and rules of the use of the ukrainian language in education, transport , the activities of local self-government bodies , etc. but at the same time, there must be an effective

regional language policy and of course state language policy if we talk about the regional during the past year and the beginning of this year, we were able to initiate the approval of local programs, now we have 38 of them, of which 15 are regional programs, let's say a week ago , it was the chernihiv regional program to promote the acquisition of ukrainian as the state language, a little earlier kyiv and this the dynamics are quite present next week in khmelnytskyi region, where they learned to defend their rights , including in the church, we will have a similar program if we speak for the state language policy, we really do not the implementation of the language law is enough, and it just says that there should be a state program to promote the mastery of ukrainian as a state and among the key priorities - these are free state and communal courses - these are textbooks - these are manuals well, of course, this is strict control by the authorized institutions for compliance with the language of the law among such institutions that protect the rights of citizens to receive information and services is our

institution, as the authorized representative of the protection of the state language, we carefully monitor this from our on the other hand, i want to say that it is possible and necessary to talk about the protection of the ukrainian language in the liberated territories, and of course it is necessary to take the best experience of effective regional language policy in the south and east, for example, in odesa , mykolaiv oblast, kherson oblast, there are similar programs , language courses are popular, but of course we need to create the necessary products which, so to speak, will encourage you to master the ukrainian language, you know that i am a native of the mykolaiv region, but i am the son of a famous ukrainian poet and i remember very well when in the early 90s, my friends and i went to vv concerts, and i treat oleg skrypka with great respect, as i treat many other representatives of ukrainian pop music who were not ashamed to sing in ukrainian in the 90s , they came to our mykolaiv from rusyishchyn, as it was called then and actually this gave significant and serious impetus at various

stages of the establishment of ukrainian as a state . it is very good that we have laws that have been implemented for four years and this has become the dynamics of the transition to ukrainian, of course it is also the result of the activity of the armed forces of ukraine of our successes, and of course we finally realized that the ukrainian language is really the language of people, victorious, worthy people who know about their beautiful literature. they remember the period of bans of the ban of the ukrainian language. under the occupation, such a regional approach to them should take place, you can name specifically what it should be , that is, there should be this gentle ukrainization , about whom the minister is talking about, even more so, each region has its own specifics. is it transcarpathia or

this is the mykolaiv region, but everywhere has its own components, that is, let's say there are regions that were cut off, there are regions that were oppressed in such a way that they were magyarized in the 20th century, and each of these concepts should be considered separately. but at the same time, we must create better opportunities for the development of the ukrainian language , control over it application in all mandatory areas well, of course, these issues are related to its presence at key levels . in the environment, we are currently conducting research on the state service of the quality of education, and it just says that depending on how effective control is at school, uh , how effectively they communicate at home with their parents, and of course, the role of teachers today is an important key one, i share the position of the minister of education forest and actually he is talking about the fact that the ukrainian language is about dignity, it is about freedom, it is about respect for one's history and one's identity, let's

talk about school education further in more detail, all sections of the program on the history of ukraine, in particular the newest one, announced this in the ministry of education of ukraine, in particular, in the lessons of the history of ukraine, children will study such concepts as the russian peace, racism , the phrase russification policy has been replaced by the phrase russification policy, the ministry emphasizes that ukrainian children must clearly understand the nature of the war what is happening is an important component of teaching the issues of genocide to schoolchildren, because it is necessary to explain to children that there is an attack on the ukrainian identity and deliberate destruction is being carried out bearers of this identity p valentin what do you think of such concepts as the russian world and racism, which uh, arose much earlier than that , entered our everyday life after a full-scale invasion , children can understand them at all, especially young ones, well, won’t this explanation turn into uh, for sure, i don’t know, planting and in general, such concepts are possible for children, and it is not

necessary to know what they are. what do you think, first of all , it is necessary to honestly admit that these concepts require a certain theoretical understanding and conceptualization, i think that even the three of us if we start talking among ourselves now, we may not agree. well, what do we put into these concepts? i think that soon it may become subjects and research dissertations there, and well , it will be a master for a long time, but of course, children need to be taught some basic things well, understanding. well, if this is the russian measure, they somehow identify themselves. well, at least in the basic yes, what is the absolute desire of all of them to put one denominator there, and byzantium, that is, well, that is, but that is the subject of another discussion what is racism yes that is, this is a concept that needs a certain environment and conceptualization, but the fact that it is hostile to everything ukrainian

is unambiguous, that is, you don’t need to practice eloquence here, i tend to think that children who have experience of taking lessons in bomb shelters very quickly and better master these the concept at the practical level long before there is a theoretical possibility that those people who carry out these shellings are called by other words. and in general, the very concept is because they hear it from adults and yes, but it is not for them it bothers me to listen to this trash russian russian it still occupies the first places in the charts in kyiv and in ukraine let's talk about it i just know why well there it is not only because people listen to it but also because this question also applies to those services that provide services. why do they recommend this trishnyak to ukrainians ? why do they still consider ukraine as part of that cultural space? why don't they recommend non-polish performers of those highlights? give us more details about this

. olezh, i really wanted to hear your opinion. spotify and youtube music are also trending now. well, not only ukrainian songs are offered to users in ukraine . how do you feel about this? a very large volume of ukrainian music for almost any taste, however, they still remain in trends, and there are still russian analogues, and there are quite a lot of them, so we can’t, well, we can’t create real competition in your opinion your question is being blurred. the fact is that all these digital platforms are promoting russian-language material because the russians are working on it. if the ukrainians don’t work, it won’t be so that it won’t be promoted . it will be like that and the russification of ukraine

took place because it was carried out this russification and where is russification in order for it to take place, ukrainization must be carried out, it must be carried out professionally, and we will lose in this because they have a lot of experience in this imperialism, and we became victims because we were not protected, unprotected in that culturally and also, well, i go back there a little earlier to tell the children there, well, i know there, we four children study there , they tell the children what ukraine is like, the smelling power there, and the like, and again , returning to the language of the french experience the french have an undeclared patriotism. they will never sing the french national anthem there and will say that they are cosmopolitans, but they are not - in any case, they are not nationalists, they are french, but when they choose what to drink, for example, what wine do they

choose, french wine, what to eat they they choose french dishes and listen to french music and drive french cars, and that’s because it was protected by the state and the state takes certain unparalleled actions to protect its quality product. and if we are on today, it is not a new sharovarshchyna to poke at the children, but it will not work, but it will work just the opposite. so, in principle , sharovarshchyna was created precisely by the soviet union, by the soviet union, and, well , by the russians , in order to degrade again the cultural value of ukraine.

traditions let's say that it continues to live and it continues to develop, not expanded. therefore, until there is an effective state work , you can call it gentle or persistent ukrainization, it must be ukrainization. again, in those russian-speaking environments, because it is more likely that the ukrainization of everything was done by the same hands, and such a negative ukrainization was created that caused caused negative. shabo, something with the european vision that happens every year, which is a cultural surrogate. so, until this cultural surrogate in ukraine

, it will not be. and it is not needed because one way or another it already exists already exists, but what about children, what do you advise parents on how to work with children, how to prove to them, in particular, and tell them about the concepts of the russian world, how it is not needed, i will tell you six months before war my daughter, my children study in one school in kyiv, it is a completely ukrainian language school, but the children of such wealthy, wealthy parents study there, and six months before the war, that is, this autumn of the 21st year, my child comes and 10 years are torn jacket, she is the only one in the ukrainian-speaking class, she was beaten up by her classmates, like yani for the ukrainian language. that's how it was before the war. that's the catastrophic

situation in ukraine. i have four children . i need to find a chess teacher, a piano teacher, a teacher there, for example, a horse teacher. in gymnastics, then i found them all were ukrainian-speaking, it was in russian-speaking kyiv. well, there for 10-15 years, it was simply an unrealistic task, and 15 years ago, we had to find ukrainian-language literature, find cartoons , ukrainian-language films, ukrainian-language films, we do at home, we do at home, our homemade vechornytsia , we are friends with families in which there are also ukrainian-speaking children, there are very few of them, this is real, and in the summer of kyiv , we spend home evenings and teachers come to us and they teach ukrainian , classical police, ukrainian poetry, poetry

ukrainian jazz at the beginning of the 20th century - this is everything. you need to understand this and the children, my children, in the cultural context, uh , grew up, decided if she wasn't there. classmates , but she still comes to russian-speaking because, well, she understands the price, she has values olezhe can i ask you briefly how did this story with the torn jacket and the beating end briefly and then a word to mr. taras about the topic my daughter asked me not to talk about it, mr. taras, what is the bossman's office doing now, in particular, in order for such there were no situations, we know that there are already language authorities in higher educational institutions, in particular, in kharkiv national university, in my alma mater. well, first of all, i want to say that based on such facts , appropriate proceedings can be opened

by the kyiv city education management body and an official inspection, therefore, i suggest you mr. olezhe to act in this context, eh, i want to remind you that in we also have an educationist and buddhist, serhiy gorbachev, who was not so long ago the director of one of the kyiv schools, and he is strict with signs of violation of educational legislation , including bowling, if we are talking about such a thing in this case, and i offer my recommendations to the ministry of education to the composition of its colleague he enters, so let's work on this topic, but as for the ukrainian language, it was really a full-scale invasion at first, just like after the 14th year , the ukrainian language made a really huge breakthrough and it actually became much more after all, the law has been working for the period since the 19th year, we have about 10 waves of implementation of the law in various spheres, of course , education is basic, i already talked about it, but we do not forget about the obligation to show films in the ukrainian-language series of television programs

, radio programs, and so on let's not forget that officials finally began to communicate in ukrainian, regardless of their status , the ukrainian language has become mandatory for the e-e field of medicine of state bodies, we have the national commission for state language standards, hundreds of thousands of willing people have completed the certificate confirmed its level and they work in various bodies. are these the bodies of the court, the prosecutor's office, including school principals ? therefore, these breakthroughs are of course demonstrative. but at the same time, i want to remind you that in 22nd the law entered into force in two more important areas, ukrainian became mandatory for the internet , it is, in particular, online stores, including those engaged in the provision of relevant services, and the language for printed mass media, among other things, on the magnitude of changes to the code of ukraine on administrative offenses according to which i, as an authorized officer, have the opportunity

to impose sanctions in the form of a warning or fines, the statistics are on our official website , and they also affect the dynamic efficiency with which ukrainians communicate in the ukrainian language and, at the same time, learned to protect their rights those appeals recorded at the beginning of the year and which arrived at our address , they say that kharkiv residents complained about the lack of ukrainian language on the internet in the service sector, including that they complained about the kharkiv mayor odessa complains that there are violations in the field of education. students talk about the fact that there are some teachers who conduct their classes or conduct them in a non-state language, and from the beginning we talked about state control measures, now we are imposing fines on certain such teachers, one of the resonances of such cases was what happened at the state tax university in irpen, you know that according to the results of official inspections of the vice-rector pans

srednyansky suspended the professor from teaching and the following actions are being taken, therefore these and many other indicators. thank you, sir , of course they affect the new terminology that you mentioned just now. is the deputy state secretary of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, these elements were introduced into the preschool program, they are actively used, of course, and those new words and terms of the category that appeared since february 24 , 22nd, let's say from ukraine that they are popular, they are slang, just like strawberries, shacks, railways, etc. therefore, these and many other things are being talked about. now they are talking about updating the structure of the ukrainian language , but we must of course also deal with what is called an effective state language policy , but ukrainianization is one of the concepts proposed by us but

at the same time, the state must be strong in protecting the state language, because the ukrainian language is the language of power. i always emphasize this regardless of vitovsky they meet mr. taras mentioned several examples of how this issue was resolved in terms of personnel, and in particular about the dismissal of teachers from universities and schools, how widespread is this phenomenon now or how much the opposite is the case that teachers are now switching from russian to ukrainian, are you observing this, or are such personnel decisions inciting of course, we have fewer and fewer such examples when, say, representatives of the professorial teaching staff of ukrainian