[000:00:00;00] the same sheridan's yellowstone series, which very well shows this confrontation between different states and that line uh, which has been preserved, unfortunately, since the 19th century and has not been completely erased by society itself, well , but, unfortunately, we win uh class or what is it called is not available in ukraine so this kind of advice is good but how can we use it legally i don’t know ah except that paying two dollars for each series seems thank you very much mr. oleksandr for this conversation oleksandr kraev expert of the council of foreign policy ukrainian prisma was with us they talked about whether there is an alternative to trump in the republican party in the united states, about the fact that there is no alternative, you will definitely go for a third term, for a third term, of course, i'm just kidding, such a brain told this slavic one, listen, no, well, there is already

, for sure, then i will want to rest and what, well, in the meantime, we continue our te- er, i want to say, i want to say, i want to say next, my friends, what, er, i already said that the pope went on a secret trip, this is a mission to establish peace in ukraine, the materials of this year, we already showed quickly yes after he kissed hilarion, the chief metropolitan of the russian orthodox church in hungary. by the way, why did the hungarians not allow the russian orthodox church in hungary to be called the hungarian orthodox church or even the real hungarian catholic church? after that, he met with the prime minister of hungary, orbán . that's it. well, no matter what, this is exactly the person on whom the peace in ukraine probably depends. well,

in fact, the pope wants to visit very badly in moscow, but he just has such a strange route, or moscow is getting closer and closer. well, it’s wonderful there. i don’t know whether to go through poland and then through belarus . i would throw tomatoes at him right away , and with whom, in the end, there is no hunchback there in advance . well here there is there is kaczynskiy well, it's not, it's not, it's the pope, the pope can only get closer and closer to the russians through announcements , holy yes, russians, beware francis , we already expressed it, this is our secret agent, here he is incorporating your church and will destroy it from the inside well, of course, about hungary, we must also say that petr siyar is a person who also does not, uh, continues

to surprise us. he is the minister of hungarian affairs of the ministry of foreign affairs of hungary. these are the words of president zelenskyi, who recently said, let me remind you, he said that hungary is only nominally in nato, and in this way criticizing the position of hungary, which very often takes pro-russian positions , in particular, in the plan, for example, it does not support sectoral sanctions against russia continues to buy oil and gas, and so on and so on, and so on and so forth, siyat wrote that hungary is already paying too high a price for the war in ukraine. this is how it turns out who suffered the most in this war, hungary. well, who would be surprised that he had in mind he said that many hungarian members of the hungarian community of transcarpathia have already died in this war and i am asking the armed forces of ukraine, but it seems to me that

the people who died for ukraine, western ukraine and transcarpathia, they primarily identified themselves as ukrainians died as ukrainians are fighting for their country and not hungary. i think if this is pansy, he doesn't understand, then i don't know how to explain it. call franciska. maybe he will still meet with him. yes, we are in touch with people's elected officials yaroslav yurchyshyn and tell me, yes. and mrs. oksana savchuk, i already see it, we welcome you, gentlemen, to our broadcast . congratulations, let's go. let's start with such a topic. i suggest that we were all worried about the fact that a new bill has appeared that can establish censorship on the internet, something similar to what is

already in russian you know that there is enough sometimes write on facebook on as if it is forbidden well and even on vkontakte something like net war and already 10 years of strict regime eh what kind of bill is this how realistic is it? have you seen it ? you have a word well, as far as i understand, this is another initiative of our colleague heorhiy mazurash, who is actually quite well-known for his discussion initiatives, so far none of them have come into effect. social networks eh, in fact, there is no reason behind it, and the only negative trend is that such initiatives are presented by a representative of the majority, which are accepted a priori by society and, in principle, by journalists and

the international community, and that , look, the majority have such opinions, that is it is possible to send very negative messages , especially against the background of the centralization of the e-e information space in the single marathon . of course, their own questions immediately begin to arise regarding the fact that representatives of the majority do not value democratic approaches do not value freedom of speech. so now they are trying to sinter what is not censored - social networks are not censored anywhere, so in ukraine social networks of the occupying country are prohibited and this is quite understandable. because it is a matter of national security, but yes, for the spread of actual russian advice , verification, then glorification. the aggressor country can be held responsible, except it can be held criminally, there is such a corresponding

article in the criminal code, but this is quite enough, no additional draconian measures regarding censorship the internet and social networks cannot and should not exist in a democratic country, since it is registered zorya , there are no prospects, but the trend, i agree, is very bad and dangerous. by the way, oleksandr tkachenko, the minister of culture is still the minister of culture, or even that is how he formulated this question er, they also spoke about the fact that they say he is very worried about telegram, not even because telegram is a russian social network that works and not even because it is probably in the smartphone of every official of the highest level in ukraine with those, well, if you are concerned with security, and with the fact that it is difficult to control what appears in these telegram channels, and that you should somehow also try telegram channels, eh, i don't

remember how he expressed himself, well, in a word, how there is also such an initiative to organize everyone. it seems to me that there is a healthy grain in it, but as always, they come to this grain from the wrong side , you know, i will also add , eh . he also tests , he generally leads such a person in them you know the group by ear. what kind of testing group is it? let's register something and look at the reaction, because mostly, very often , the servant of the people gives him the authority to go on the air and convey some point of view, that is, most likely, if he is not in a bath in their faction, if

they did not agree with those very often compromising us with draft laws for the whole parliament. petro is a policeman, a complete bad servant of the people , such a bad guy who goes around and tests the reaction of society, well, that’s the way you know, a certain role like me i will be like this, it will not be its own conditional focus group and i will test what will work and what will not work, and it will be very often if you never agree with the draft laws of the deputies, they express criticism, they do something publicly, it’s just like they say it, it’s just that everyone is someone someone doesn't respond and says, well, kavin, that means nothing will happen, but that's why there are discussions, and in the end, people often don't care about the last name, when they talk there in the parliament, they registered such and such an initiative, then people are indignant, and it really

casts a bad shadow on the parliament in general. uh, from the fact that and what do they do there, for example? yes, that is, instead of thinking about one second, the third, about important things , they register something like that. that is, this is also the negative work that is carried out by one and you can by similar people's prisoners who sign such draft laws sometimes read and sometimes not read but if we talk about control in general and what is done in social networks, well, first of all i want to say that we have already adopted a lot of different legislative and initiatives that have become the status quo today laws according to which a person can be prosecuted for statements for slander for registration in certain statutes, that is , all this is available and it must be used actively , and i know that if there is political will, then everyone very

actively finds in the law needs a line and an article. and if there is an opportunity somewhere to ignore it, then everyone says well , let's pass some more laws, here it is important to implement what is there, but not to drive us into a dictatorship, because if someone does not like some kind of criticism, if someone does not like that they are not praised every day, well, this is normal and the process of a democratic society, even a warring one, because despite everything in ukraine, no one will succeed in imposing totalitarian attitudes and , no matter what anyone says, ukrainians always broke out of this, you know, and had their own point of view, if we talk about the ministers of culture the previous ones too, one of them

, namely dmytro tabachnyk. the adviser of another people's deputy, who is now also a gauleiter, what do we now call balinsk, balinsky, and besides, dmytro tabachnik is the first to run for united russia. what could we do with dmytro tabachnik, he is still a citizen of ukraine, or is it necessary to to find out, in fact, we do not have such information, since our citizen registry is closed during martial law and, in principle, in peacetime, because it is private information, but it may very well be while we are talking with you, they can , uh, as they say, take it away quickly citizenship, although in fact i would rather agree with oksana that it is unlikely, because tabachnyk's best man, mr. maksym lutsk, still heads the national aviation university

, despite the debatable nature of his appointment , and many people who worked in tabachnyk's environment are still in ukraine. i just decided to clarify this on february 5, 2023 message, that is, this year, they deprived hm zelenskyy signed the documents on the deprivation of citizenship of the former minister of education dmytro tabachnyk. that is, unfortunately, we do not have such a register of nuclear weapons. depriving the sufficiently closed regime of commissions under the president of ukraine from the good er-e positive what happens from the bad, unfortunately, not as quickly as we would like those people who actually violated the law on ukrainian citizenship do they have dual citizenship while performing the er-e functions of the state - this is directly

prohibited accordingly all the same, he often remains a citizen of ukraine until , as they say, he will not strike, despite the fact that mr. dmitriy is no longer a citizen of ukraine, and there are a number of criminal charges against him the proceedings are part of the property from which was arrested in court proceedings, and, accordingly, it must be collected and sent to the budget for defense in accordance with the decisions adopted by the verkhovna rada, but returning to the issue of the ministry of culture and telegram, as they say, a very good thing is called a personal example if mr. minister tkachenko still thinks that telegram is a negative thing, then what causes the fact that the ministry under his leadership uses this network that is actively

used there, i just looked and instead to develop and show by personal example that it is better to use those social networks that have nothing to do with the aggressor country in relation to the fact that you have no reason to believe that private information from these networks may be leaked in the interests of the aggressor country, that's why here as they say not in words but in deeds, but with a personal example you can clearly show, you know, our ministry does not use telegram, we encourage you not to use telegram , that's why well, on the other hand, it looks very funny in quotes when the head of the main budanov's intelligence agency says that the leak of information from viber and telegram was almost 100% in the interests of russia . but again, we are opening this network, and they

are using it. these services are available in many countries . officials are prohibited from using russian networks in the baltic states . viber is prohibited in many countries. telegram is not ready to say right now, but i am convinced that it can also fall under such and such restrictions, and it is reasonable that those people who are involved in decision-making may have certain restrictions on the use of those networks from where a leak of information can happen, how critical a leak of information even if we closed the rest of the communication well, we can see now from the leak from the pentagon how russia tried in every way to use these materials there by drawing under adding them but in fact, how much big a-a big damage can it cause like this so i will cause what can happen the leak of even a small amount of information

concerning what actually constitutes a state secret vitaly portnikov wrote such a memoir that he was the first, i don't know if it was the first time, but in the 1990s, in the winter of 1990, he was in moscow on congress of deputies in the union of the union group - this will be a congress of deputies of the soviet union of the ussr of the supreme soviet of the ussr, and there was such a large reactionary and chauvinist group, the union . then it was formed, which later actually played a certain role during the gkcp coup and so on so and so, it was already very surprising that at the founding congress of this group, the union was attended by a deputy of the kyiv council , dmytro tabachnyk, who gave it as his strange although not very strange a-a and who, by the way, then positioned himself as a democrat and a supporter of perestroika and so on and so on, but well

in fact, what conclusion can be drawn that people like tabachnik were not infiltrated from the very beginning, but simply that they were a representative of the russian special services in ukraine, but the question remains open . take again the same minister of culture, but a person who made a very successful career and served pro-russian channels all his life and introduced some pro-russian i would say propaganda you don't call it otherwise, does she deserve to be, for example, the minister of culture now during the war, during the period of rethinking in principle who is not such what is a ukrainian you have the right, that is, is it enough to just change your shoes and do what you do okay you

know there are two i really have two thoughts on your question, well, the first thing is that we have a lot of public people who served moscow, and there are a lot of such so-called gray people, even in the culture, but who do much worse work in the field, well, here's an example ordinary situation we have such collectives dancing hutsulia it has the status of national e it is the only one of its kind that promotes ukrainian dance hutsul culture and here and there, when the director accidentally dies, they are put on acting duties e imagine a person who has lived in donetsk all his life that is, here from donetsk they send a person to prykarpattia who, well

, not only that there are problems with ukrainian because he did not speak it very well, secondly, a completely different perception of finding culture has nothing to do with him, and this person starts to impose a completely different rhythm of that culture on the place that should be when we say the minister that this is a problem, the director of the exchange is to solve it, the answer is about the state, we know it, but we think, well, that is, the question today is the war, we need to get rid of such people who have always worked to this soviet culture, to the fact that they felt that russian literature and culture is something great , and ukrainian is something rural, and these people are still there, they receive salaries , pensions, and statuses from us, and that is why the first question here is - it is really necessary to keep track of those personalities and do everything possible so that they no longer manage their

mechanisms for this, there are actually a lot of ways to do it, and the second is lustration anyway, and you see how today those in power are afraid of this word, because if we are talking about illustrations, why do we forget even already the same danylo hetmantsev. he also has a connection to the party of regions , or some of the employees who work in the president's office, if you can say that they are without news. well, i don't think that they are innocent, and there are a lot of such politicians today for a long time, he is trying in every way to restrain that lustration and translate it, for example, only into that into the format of the russian federation. although i am convinced that it is too narrow a concept to translate only into this pro-russian party, the others should be taken much more broadly if we would uh-uh more actively and earlier vote on the law on collaborationism, and in the end, today, even

under this law, there are mechanisms that worked . you and i would have already brought many people to justice through law enforcement agencies, and today it is really culture, including that no active educational work is carried out, they do not want to show ukrainian culture as much higher , it is profitable to agree with us there to viburnum to bread and to think very narrowly, although we are much broader and , unfortunately, minister tkachenko cannot bring culture to such a level that we would like today and what is the time requirement, because he simply does not think that it is doubtful, we have less than three minutes left, and there is another question that we also raised today, including with your colleague, the people's deputy genre bulanyuk we had a representative from the international olympic committee, this is about a rather controversial decree. as far as i understand the minister of sports and gutsaite, it is about the fact that if representatives of the aggressor country are present at some international tournament, then our

athletes do not go, as we already do it turned out that everything is not so simple and clearly because some go and others do n't go. well, the site has had problems with this since the last olympics, when more of his friends went than representatives, for example , there was no room left for coaches for example, delegations well, but less so, that is, some kind of question well, it’s simple and the leader at least requires someone to discuss at least if you don’t take into account citizens and public opinion well, there is at least a community of athletes , they also literally do not have a platform where you can discuss this he will say something on general news , sometimes not the only news, but he does not say anything, mr. andriy, i would really disagree with the fact that this decision should be synchronized with the actual person of the seventh minister, who is very a debater who was ready to join the leadership of the national olympic committee together with surkis

and the like, but we have a different stick with a different end, so that is , the vast majority of ukrainian sports federations are oriented not to international standards, but to communications with the post-soviet space, i have colleagues who work the sports administrations in frankivsk and lviv western regions have always had a huge problem that all meetings in all federations are held purely in russian, the component and the specific of ukrainian sports e there were also the times of the ukrainian people's republic and the times of austro-hungary, but everything is extracted from the soviet level and when there was such a fairly correct wording from the cabinet of ministers that russian athletes and if they want to talk about some political things, but there sports outside of politics and the like, which are now being planted on the mouths of russia, should coordinate communication with the cabinet of ministers

, they are on this. is in the process of fully receiving the state, but at the same time he is thinking about the topic: well, sportsmen, sports should compete with russians in the same competitions. therefore, a tough decision is possible, but as we have already seen in individual cases, communication is happening, we can criticize the ministers , but we definitely have to protect ukrainian sports from it began to appear on the same platforms as the russian one, thus legalizing it, there is a lack of such an expert discussion where one could also hear the opinion of athletes and experts and politicians of deputies thank you very much mr. yaroslav and oksano thank you for participating in the program thank you to all the viewers who watched us today i will remind you to watch sts on this we say goodbye and see you tomorrow morning well, the espresso telethon continues and

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