[000:00:00;00] there were periods when they could have disintegrated, they almost didn't exist, they survived thanks to this mimicry and parasitism , and this time, when ukraine wins , don't let yourself beat yourself up, never let russia deceive you anymore. they are still the way they are. nazis, racists and killers of all that is free, free and good that is in this world. they must change themselves , not us, they somehow do not change themselves. and if they do not change, they must disappear from the world map from history in general. well, history writes its verdicts once and for all, and russia's verdict obviously written by herself she writes it in blood thank you for being with us e-e stay espresso it was a worldview program now serhiy rudenko will continue the program verdict serhiy congratulations to vasyl literally in a few seconds we will start the verdict and this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day everyone and

good health today, the second of may, the 432nd day of the ukrainian people's heroic resistance to the russian occupiers. federal chancellor of germany olafshol said that ukraine can receive ammunition for cheetahs already in august the commander of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of kholodny yar, colonel pavlo palis, said that the defense forces control the roads to bakhmut and defend the city, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of may 2, russia has already lost 191,120 people in ukraine only for in the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 460 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,701 tanks, 7,193 armored fighting vehicles, 29

artillery systems, 544 jet systems volley fire 298 anti-aircraft defense equipment 38 aircraft 294 helicopters and 5851 units of motor vehicles 18 boats boats 947 cruise missiles 2477 drones 361 special equipment in bryansk partisans blew up a convoy with fuel the russian federation unsuccessfully storms bakhmut russian oppositionists against putin and many other topics we will talk about in the future about throughout the program about this i want to introduce today's guest, this is volodymyr e tsibulko, a political viewer mr. volodymyr good day, good health to you and welcome to our broadcast congratulations, mr. volodymyr, let's start our conversation with

massive shelling. as we have witnessed the fact that in the last week , the russians made three massive missile strikes on the territory of ukraine, on residential areas , dozens of people died, unfortunately, hundreds of people were injured, destroyed apartments, houses , civilian infrastructure, the kremlin and continues to use tactics of terror of peaceful citizens , although all this, of course, leads to the opposite effect of hatred and anger of ukrainians towards russians, what do you think the orks are counting on terrorizing ukrainians now, the more helpless the russian troops are at the front, the more terror against the civilian population, this is a well-known tactic, and russian ideologues all the time say that this is an american tactic, in fact, this is a russian

tactic, and in a similar way, american troops have not fought anywhere after vietnam what russia produced in syria, uh, where bombs , well, in homs, bombs of volume explosion destroyed whole neighborhoods, not to mention other cities, that is, we can say that what is currently being cultivated, so to speak, on the territory of ukraine russia tested all this on the territory of syria, and there the syrian troops, uh, more precisely, the partisans

, about whom similar methods were used, did not have air defense . well, there is no such air defense that could guarantee 100% protection of the country's skies in any country in the world, including the usa , so no matter how hard it is, uh, hard strikes are falling on the territory of civilians, this strike on pavlograd is generally so scary because the enemy knew very well that old soviet missiles were being processed there at the enterprise and part of the unprocessed missiles actually exploded. that is, it was calculated that the ukrainians should be scared and there would be some kind of negotiations. well, this must be understood.

and more stubbornly, therefore, i think that the enemy now, well, any effort to at least slightly knock down the offensive potential of the ukrainian troops and delay the ukrainian offensive operation, well, in fact , you can say that intimidation is going on, but it is frightening on the contrary, the ferocity and stubbornness of the ukrainian military, together with the ukrainian people, is only growing, this is ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi in the evening video address to the people told about the meeting on the consequences of the russian missile attacks tactics on the body in the near future and the coordination of defensive steps, we will hear from zelenskyi this monday and the new week began with an hour of a meeting with all levels of state management, defense, the head of the government , the ministers, the office reported to the head of the heads

of the gur, the foreign intelligence service, the head of the sbu the secretary of the nsdc, the first question is the consequences of russian strikes, in particular missile strikes, just last night from midnight to 7 a.m. it was possible to shoot down 15 russian missiles, but unfortunately not all yet, not all as actively as possible. we are working with partners to make the defense of our sky even more reliable . the behavior of the enemy in the near future coordinated our defensive steps, separately the issue of weapons and ammunition for our soldiers , as well as the situation in the occupied territory and russia's countermeasures, no chance for the occupier on our land, mr. volodymyr are the russians doing it out of fear of a future counteroffensive, or are they doing it by demonstrating, trying to demonstrate strength to the whole world, because it is clear that massive missile strikes are probably a good

image for them, in their understanding, for their citizens and in order to intimidate the other part of the world, which is now opposing russian aggression and against what putin is doing on the territory of ukraine, well, putin is playing medvedchuk once medvedchuk said that the government in ukraine is stronger than ever and putin is now trying to demonstrate to his the population the power of their government but let's say, as the ukrainians advise, to buy a rooster at the bazaar and he will have brains, in fact , the last two missile strikes were carried out both from the murmansk side and from the northern base of the strategic missile forces of the military at the same time, but on

uh, a dozen planes that took off into the sky fell on me, 18 missiles fired in the course of ukraine, that is, this is a kind of uh, rather intimidation tactic than a demonstration of potential, and we can say that well, the blows are quite annoying and painful for but the effectiveness of anti-aircraft defense in the cities of larger cities of millionaires, relatively speaking, shows that these cities are quite well protected, but so far the potential is not enough to protect smaller cities, and here it seems to me that these blows were inflicted on several painful defeats at the front that is, on land, because the russian troops were forced

to retreat from avdiivka, and in the direction of bakhmut, the complete failure of the promised date of may 1, the capture of bakhmut, e.e., putin did not receive, so they bombarded the territory, so to speak ukraine in order to draw some kind of offensive potential there, but apparently putin's armada is having problems on the ground, and the more high-tech the ukrainian is, the ukrainian armed forces work, the more helpless the enemy looks, volodymyr, i would like to return to the topic of good russians , so-called good russians because literally yesterday there was information that the oppositionists of the russian federation because the russian oppositionists in europe adopted

a declaration against the war of the putin regime as on the evening of april 30, 68 representatives of the opposition publicly signed a declaration in which they declared their commitment to the principled positions, the first of which is the criminal nature of the war of the russian federation against ukraine. russian troops must be withdrawn from all occupied territories, russia's internationally recognized borders must be restored, soldiers must be brought to justice, and victims of aggression must be be paid compensation at the same time at the same time there is a statement by the russian writer and publicist victor shenderovych who believes that with ukrainians, russian liberals are on the way to the first turning point, that is, to the overthrow of putin's regime and the end of the war , the killers call the russian army our boys, let's look at

shenderovych and then continue our conversation with the ukrainian today we are partners until the first turn until goodbye putin until the end of the war with ukraine until the victory of ukraine in this war here now we are united further, and here is the replica of a journalist from a happy magazine, after all, this is our country and our guys, yes, deceived , unhappy bastards. sometimes the killers are even. well, that’s it , but they ’re ours. and i will no longer vouch for ukraine, and many ukrainians already and emotionally , it is possible to understand, they would like russia to be just a rusty pelvis, even a liberal in quotation marks, shenderovych broke down on the ukrainian

issue, why well, first of all, on the ukrainian issue, his teacher oleg broke down tabakov, after all, shenderovych is just a graduate of oleg tabakov's studio, that is, he is his spiritual father, and secondly, it's a very strange story, how can you be a russian chauvinist and a jew ? oh, it happens that a person who lives in israel thinks about our boys. yes, it's me, if you love russia so much, then why aren't you in the territory of russia, you're not in the territory of russia right now, you're not your boys, i would rush to the donbas and get a lyule in the donbas, maybe you have a ball of cellophane, well, they took it to vagankovsky or somewhere there, well, what would it be for there deserved but

the essence is another essence of this falsity on the part of russians, even those who pretend to be civilized, it consists in the fact that he uses an absolutely key word that identifies him as a city. he uses the term ukrainian nazism, which does not exist in nature, but here it is not a full quote, but he used it and he burned himself on it. so, i want to remind the russian liberals who wrote such a very good declaration that this declaration lacks several essential things, personal compensation to the family of the victims is good, but reparations to ukraine should include all the damage caused by the ecosystems of europe, the caspian in this sea, and if they say that anise is with the ukrainians until the first turn , then their first turn begins after the full

payment of all reparations, all compensations , that's their turn, let shendrovych live if he is so wise before this turn, but morally he is in the eyes of many people turned into such a snobby shit how and how and well, i don’t know, beauty , because there are a few more writers like that , simple lord, what drugs did i have in mind, i didn’t even want to remind you here well, to mention the surnames, and so that the viewers understand about the language, but about nazism, what did you mention that was not included in the video? i will quote why shendrovych used this concept of nazism, so that it would be clear to our viewers . he said that statements from the ukrainian side about the need to stop the existence of russia in its current form and with today's

borders, the russian writer means shenderovych considers it to be a burst of nazism , that is, he is absolutely convinced that russia is in that form, but with the exception of one putin can continue to exist and , er, stay within the borders that they have drawn for themselves. again, he does not outline these borders and they do not say that russia should leave all the occupied territories there, because we are not only talking about ukraine in this case we are talking about politics and this is their wet dream to blame everything on putin, they would like there to be no putin, but there was a russia that is a menist person who hates and they who cut coupons eh in the status of cultural figures of this russia they are eh well, let's say that's what they

were called not bad at all in russian of budgetary funds, they staged plays. well, they existed quite strongly, not poor, because , unlike ukraine, the russian book market allowed many writers to exist from the creativity of selling books to the same shenderovech, it’s simple, they would like that there was no putin, but he was enslaved by karelia , for example, was destroyed and the entire infrastructure was bent over there. let's look at finland , the koralovin and one nation. look at how the finns live and how the karelians live. that's all for you. the end and this shenderovich would like russia to live like the cockatiels and not like the finns. he always doesn't negotiate. let

him negotiate his final wishes, so to speak , according to their wishes. why does he? ukrainian nazism, which does not exist in nature, but even further. he mentions his grandmother who could not hear the german language, denying ukrainians unwillingness to hear the russian language, his grandmother can speak german after the second world war, she should not hear the german language a ukrainians should listen to the russian language after this bloodshed. well, this is an absolutely hypocritical position, and for this hypocrisy , i think that you are not doing it right now. social networks, because i think that meetings with open audiences for him will have to be stopped for a certain time after these statements, but according to you, you

see among the russian oppositionists some one leader who would speak adequately or treat it adequately to the situation that is developing in russia and to those crimes in which russia is now involved on the territory of ukraine and to what period they have e-e rehabilitation periods of rehabilitation should pass after our victory as it was in germany or is in such leaders who can now say that in fact we did the catastrophe, well, the mistake, we must apologize, atone for making a payment to ukraine and europe, eh. but the evil that, in principle , was brought by putin's regime. and 140 million

russians became complicit in this crime. well by the way, when the topic of collective responsibility or er personally is reanimated again. how cool is he, and collective responsibility exists in nature because not only putin er killed thousands of ukrainians, and it was the little russians who killed them, relatively speaking, this is the first, second, the speech about leadership is really this the statement is a joint declaration, well, by russian standards, it is unique , because it is necessary to remind that all the people who signed these declarations are people who do not live on the territory of russia. the position on the territory of russia itself, you say well, that there are 400 people imprisoned, or even 7,000 imprisoned, imprisoned not because

they are strictly anti-war, what are they for justice, but because there is a selective system of such a well, a system of selective justice that was caught, then imprisoned who escaped , that's why we no, well, we may not fully appreciate the sabotage and subversive activities of a part of the russians, which is being carried out, because after all, 77.5 military commissars were burned in various forms last year, but this is cooler than one berlin statement, because the statement of the berlin er, so to speak, no one in russia pays attention to it, so to speak, but every time putin is there, they pay attention to it. the question is, if you want to shift responsibility, so

to speak, to individual responsibility, then you need to imprison several thousand officials for the kidnapping of ukrainian children, not this white one. and putin and several thousand officials who were involved in operations to evict children from ukraine, that is , this topic is becoming open and now the question is if the desire of the shenderov company and the majority of oligarchs wanted him to be your hitler and there a few people well, let 1,000 plant well, almost everyone is not to blame, everyone else is to blame because, first of all, the fault of russian society is that at the start of fascism, this fascism did not receive strong resistance in society, and this is

the collective fault of russian society. i am not talking about the enslaved people because most of them today, if we approach about er, well , shenderovech wants russia to remain like this , really shenderovech does not want to compensate for the people whose spine they broke, who, in their attention, actually make up the mordovian lands i would not like shenderovych to restore justice in relation to which you are the chukchi, who fought with russia for 100 and 50 years and became the objects of jokes, and the russians should groan at the word stockings, because under these circumstances, they are so slanderous, they have very clearly grasped the topic now it is possible to sell the topic not of the collective guilt of the russians, but the topic of putin's personal ones . well, let's tie him up in a box, bring his body to the court and

leave russia alone, we 'll give a little bit of money to the ukrainians there so that they don't bark about something like this, but as a result of the ukrainian he has victories not be the restoration of territorial integrity, this is just one, well, one small iota in the great complex of actions . as a result of this war, this is the reformatting of the un security council and the un itself, this is the complete ecological rehabilitation of all territories that were uh-uh mutilated due to the activities of the russian authorities, including on the territory russia, let them, we have some problems with the connection with volodymyr tsybulko , now we will try to restore the connection, i ask the editors to do this, and volodymyr tsybulko mentioned about the lviv white branch

of vladimir putin, we know that the international the criminal court issued an arrest warrant for lviv and maria belova and vladimir putin for the deportation, the forcible deportation of ukrainian children to russia, so she appeared in an interview with foreign media and said that ukrainian citizenship is not taken away from illegally deported russians, but only supplemented, they say they don't erase the ukrainian identity, but ukraine is trying everything related to russia, let's hear what maria lvova bilova said, the citizenship of ukraine remains married. inconsistency when, uh, i'm sure that in your environment there are many people who have two citizenships, citizenship can

make identity disappear, we always sang songs in russian and ukrainian, we told russian and ukrainian fairy tales, we always lived in friendship and understanding. сейчас производите что что, on the contrary, in ukraine they erase everything related to russia, volodymyr. i hope that you are in touch with us. i just showed maria lvova the belova subdivision and the subdivision of vladimir putin and the person who as well as putin, who received a warrant from the international criminal court for the deportation of ukrainian children to the russian federation, but she is trying to explain that well, we lived so amicably, we sang ukrainian songs together with russian ones, we developed russian culture so well

and the russian language in ukraine, and here it’s just some, well, according to their statement, it’s some kind of bunch of people came to power in ukraine and it destroyed all of this, all the explanations, all the appeals, all the attempts to justify, well, they obviously have only one goal, which you have already reached. you just to anger putin and say that well, there is a kremlin bigot who needs to be given 500. and in general, we are good. we will continue to do what we have been doing. well , unless the russian army enters the territory of ukraine, or can russia change without denazification? putinization and demilitarization well, if russia wants to change , it should announce a program of rehabilitation of all the peoples of russia and compensation

for their losses and restoration of the normal functioning of the national cultures on the territory of russia, this love of bilova forgive me, lord, if she gets baptized, she will get baptized, but she doesn't even think in terms of christian categories. the whole paradox of russian orthodoxy is that it is anti-christ, that it is orthodox , anti-christian. belous forgot it when she tells about ukrainian russian fairy tales , tell how many schools on the territory of russia, they discovered ukrainians as they did, let her tell about how between the census of 2001 and the census of 2011 , one million ukrainians disappeared on the territory of russia, 1 million ukrainians, and despite all this, the ukrainians did not have a skin

of ukrainians, neither in universities, nor in culture, nor in newspapers, television, nothing ukrainian, but even the disappearance of a million ukrainians in 10 years. isn’t this a crime, this is, in fact , pressure for er denazification, more precisely, not nazification, where denationalization in ukraine is already a crime for these crimes lviv did not want to answer, but she perfectly understands why i speak of her as a cross because she knows that the children they kidnapped from the territory of ukraine, first the russian troops killed the parents of these children, and then they take какие мы хуманные мы дехточек спаслы and why did you kill the parents of these children, why did you take these children of ours and bombed their homes, and then you say that you are humane? well, that's the essence of this lie. by the way, in this sense, neither

shenderovchi of lviv was particularly the average russian does not differ from a fake liar, because i myself have encountered this many times, for me it was always strange why a person lies to your face , those facts that can be checked, well, those who need it , need one minute to check, you you are poking and poking at us that you lied to me, and he says, and i perceive it this way, well, this is about right here, right here. they live in a comfortable picture of the world. they first committed crimes and then repented. why are we good? otse and shenderovych. in this respect, flesh from the flesh of an average russian. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation. it was volodymyr tsybulko, a political expert . we work as friends live on the espresso tv channel , as well as on our social networks and on youtube