[000:00:00;00] sheptytskyi professor of the university of warsaw, an expert at the institute of strategy 250 glory to ukraine, mr. professor we welcome you to our studio , oksana yurinetsk, the head of the ukrainian delegation to the nato parliamentary assembly 2018-2019, is here. well, we would like to ask you about the latest and hottest news from the so-called grain front. so do you have a feeling, professor, that the polish farmers have decided to give in a little in the matter of blocking our cargoes, and could this story be repeated in the near future? it seems that now it is no longer a question of farmers, especially if we are talking about poland, it is more of a complicated political problem, because now i am afraid it will be a question

of relations between poland and the european union , and more specifically the relations of the polish government are not very enthusiastic towards brussels, and with brussels , that is, there will be a threat that there will simply be such an approach, it may be that no one will tell us how to behave here in our country, well, accordingly mrs. oksana how do you see a story with an opportunity solving this grain issue, we understand that this is a question of money, but on the other hand, it is a question of our natural interests , that is, we understand that the grain corridor can be suspended by the russian federation in one way or another, we should develop our logistics infrastructure on the one hand, on the other hand, brussels should to really somehow

motivate polish, slovak , hungarian and other farmers, motivates them financially in different ways. of the government, i remember when mykola knyazhytskyi and i were co-chairs of the poland-ukraine friendship group, there was a different issue, we came to the meeting , there was the issue of berries and also farmers, when a number of officials did not meet with us only because there were such similar pickets. now the situation is a little different. the fact that the port of gdańsk and kdynia are those windows that provide opportunities to export our grain and for our farmers to earn something, although in fact in this conflict it is not the farmer who is making money, we understand that these are traders, intermediaries, and actually this market creates some new rules, we enter and i agree here that in the fall there are elections in poland, each country lives by its own interests and this practical zionist policy is a state

, of course, it is to protect its national values ​​and its interests, now we ask this question in a certain way, or some kind of support or some other way because we don't have another channel of opportunities to advance from something in ukraine , the water space is completely closed, the air is closed, and we only have er land and this is one such moment from the language, i know how much it was for sg producers of those who have large leases of several thousand lands were cultivated as they broke contracts, not supplies, these are all forwards, forwards, futures, which had to be understood very quickly, these risks, and today , when they talked about grain corridors, the intervention of turkey here, of course, as of now, this the transit capacity must be used precisely because we cannot do it in another way, how can we monitor it ? of course, these are additional problems, an additional burden, which brussels should definitely

help. it should be reminded that poland has its the first country of the european union that received changes in the constitution received sanctions from the european union. but as of today, it has changed the situation. today, it takes a lot of burden from the point of view of the refugees who are from ukraine because of the war, and in addition to the transit corridor, which really needs additional support, which must be the development of this format, i believe , should also include ukrainian diplomacy regarding the lobbying of actually polish interests to the european union for the possibility of creating these conditions and which would not threaten the fact that it happened, it is necessary to explain it to people who do not understand it, instead of it moving in transit and internally, without digging up polish farmers, traders buy ukrainian grain, which is much cheaper, because it wants to at least somehow get to the foreign market, and here, in fact, there is, as it were, the dishonesty of the players from all of tyhoders of this process, therefore, these export-import transactions should be transparent , understandable as much as possible and taking into account all such risks that arise antiseptic professor

of hrushev university, contact us i i think that there are two, and probably three, well, they are more equal, yes, the analyzes of this problem are clearly at the legal level, which we do not seem to be very good at, and the polish government and also the ukrainian government probably understand the legal level that we have there is joint foreign trade. i mean the countries of the european union, that is, in principle, poland or slovakia , we do not have the right individually to make a decision on restrictions or the absence of restrictions on trade with ukraine, because this is a simple question, as it should be decided at the level of the european union

yes to the union. that is, all such unilateral restrictions that appeared in poland in other countries simply do not comply with european law, but this is our problem , another legal issue . some questions about trade in products of the agricultural sector, but only after the start of the war of full-scale invasion of russia , he made a decision to cancel all limited aid to ukraine for a year, that is, it cannot

be said as the ukrainian side is saying now uh, what's simple uh, the cancellation of all these decisions from last year is against the dessert of that one, because uh, these decisions are not part of the mission in that one , they were only last year. yes cory , the war started. that is, it is a legal level , but there is also the political level , the political level, as it began on february 20, the fourth of february, as the full-scale war with russia began .

other countries and at the political level , it was a very good decision, this is help for ukraine. about polish farmers, and probably someone thought well, we just need to help ukraine, and later we will do something with farmers in the eu, so here it is not ukraine's responsibility, because everyone understands that ukraine needs to sell and export grain, but just in last year, when the war started in the eu, there was no idea that this import of ukrainian grain or the transit of ukrainian grain could be

a problem for farmers in the european union. well, unfortunately, now we clearly see that this problem has i want to ask about one more political moment. poland so far, there is no intention to recall its diplomats from the russian federation after the threat to the polish ambassador by the former russian children's joker pavel astakhov. please comment on why this is happening or are there any nuances that we maybe we don't know. i think in poland since the 14th year or since the 22nd year, uh, uh, there is still this opinion uh, uh, uh, we still have to have uh, limited, but still, diplomatic relations with in russia, for example, are there any poles somewhere, or perhaps

there is a small polish minority in russia, and karina, for example, we have some places of memory , yes, there is a very famous katyen. thousands of polish officers, that is, so that we simply do not have some that are limited, it is difficult to say interests. yes, but some there are common points with russia, so why is it that diplomatic relations with russia need to be supported, my personal opinion, i don’t like it. so, i think that from february 24, it was simply necessary to stop diplomatic relations with russia, but still eh. here, our government has a different

approach, and as i said, i think that eh , they have such an opinion because i believe that thanks to these relations, there is still some limited eh interests can er can be protected hmm thank you mr. andriy sheptytsky, professor of varshavskyi the professor of the national university of lviv polytechnic oksana voronytska is in touch with us in the studio of the espresso tv channel. goodbye. well, actually, we would like to go back to the history of exporting our food, well, with the sale , we understand that it is profitable for us, but we talked about the grain. additional series of articles, in particular, it is about honey and so on. and so on. i understand that on the one hand the european union has quite clearly stated and confirmed its decision on duty-free access of ukrainian goods to the european market, on the other hand, we understand that some, god forbid, of course, but some auxiliary

mechanisms, that is, they will start to cling or , for example, they will say that some genetic technologies are not yours, or the wrong fertilizers or the wrong pesticides were used, and so on. and this does not apply to only those who agree have already talked about the fact that the ukrainian grain that is exported is technical and it is harmful if it is used to bake, say, bread or other confectionery products and it is provided only to feed livestock, so actually we ask you that we, as ukrainians, can do something about it because we are primarily interested in this situation, we can not only hope and ask for help from the eu, but also do something ourselves, well, this is the market, in one word, the market can be explained a lot. it is competition and as of now of course, you know competitive conditions, when ukraine is sick and unhappy, they are ready to connect it with a drip and help it survive, but when ukraine becomes a full-fledged competitor on the market as a player, it usually causes completely different emotions, and that is why

we have such situations that we have, i remember the period when we in the parliament of the eighth convocation worked on all these quotas and you mention other products , we chose these quotas for the first period, the first quarter and the first in the history of the european union in general, these quotas were increased for ukraine, and on june 23 we will celebrate as a candidacy for membership in the european union, yes. our neighbors, the poles, warn us very often. and you know what the rules are, and you know what the conditions will be. i think that, on the whole, many farmers of ukraine might do well to think whether they let's say very strongly, i really want to live by these rules and how it works, but it must be said that a lot of grain does not stay in europe, it goes to other countries and where we prepare the countries of asia, africa and other countries where it is just as important, one more thing must be said a today it is very important that we process a lot of things to create jobs here , because the migration of people has taken place, there is an internal movement of people and the creation of, let's say the only thing is that these are the volumes that ukraine can

today of agricultural products to produce products, but this is still another way of creating and added value in the economy in the economy for processing, in addition, it is also necessary to understand that as of now, there is a question, let's say that next year there will be much less of this harvest. why? that there is a large part of mined fields and you can see how it is very difficult to work as a farmer and you can understand the farmers who are primarily faced with this problem of market changes, they were preparing for something else, they insured their risks against one thing and because of the war and today's corridors are transit. they have completely different challenges for which they are not ready. panang zest mentioned what should happen. this insurance risk should be covered by europe itself, which made some permits there that have already expired. therefore, as of today, we are facing a situation. very difficult, in fact, even before the war, there were two industries

that provided and were a producer of currency for ukraine, the it industry and agriculture , when they joked and said that no one understood it, that's why they were not proud, but rural the economy has always interested everyone, especially because it could develop organically and reach this stage of competitiveness in today 's european and world market, but what will be informative in kyiv and believe me, for that there are economists on the market who very cruelly tell how to kill competitors, well b understanding the meaning of certain certain information, actions that, after all, such information will arise of something not of high quality, but in fact the world is beginning to try and understand that ukraine tastes like ukraine - it is delicious ukraine is health food. it is healthy food very often, and for this, for example, the american market is open to us, but in order to enter the american market, we cannot bypass it without european border corridors, because there is no other way to get to oksana. e-e marketers have heard such a thing that the ukrainian e-e

consumer is so picky and so picky and that if the business with its products was able to please the ukrainian consumer, then the road on the european to other international markets for the ukrainian manufacturer open, i hope that after the end of the war, we will develop even more in ukraine and abroad . meanwhile, we have another topic that we will also discuss today, the anniversary of the tragic events in odesa in may 2014, then as a result of the attack by pro-russian activists on the ukrainian march and the fire in the odesa trade union building killed 48 people. the court found former deputy head of the regional police dmytro fuchadzhi guilty of organizing mass riots. he was sentenced in absentia to 15 years, but

many questions still remain regarding the odesa tragedy, so please watch the plot and we will discuss it further. on may 2, 2014 , a football match was to be held in odesa between the local black sea and kharkiv metal players. in the morning , kharkiv fans arrived in the city. at 3:00 p.m. , they, together with pro-ukrainian activists, left soborny square towards the stadium , the column was almost immediately attacked by the pro-russian so -called antimaidan, some of the youths had pneumatic and even firearms around 4 p.m. the mass media reported on the first the death of andrii biryukov, a 36-year-old ukrainian supporter of the soviet union, he received a gunshot wound to the lung. the confrontation lasted for 3 hours and eventually moved to the kulik field, where the anti-maidan activists barricaded themselves in the building of the trade unions . activists, 41 representatives of the anti-maidan and a woman

, a house cleaner , more than 200 victims went to hospitals, the investigation into the events of may 2 actually most of the suspected leaders of the anti-maidan failed; the court acquitted some; some were included in the exchange list ; some left for the russian federation and received russian citizenship; riots , abuse of power and official position , and the benefits of transnistria's escape, and it has been hiding in russia for many years. to those who died as a result of russian provocations in odesa, we now add to our marathon zoya kazanzhi odesa journalist and public

activist slava ukraine of the national university of lviv polytechnic as the head of the ukrainian delegation in the nato parliamentary assembly tue-18-19 years oksana yurynets the investigation of the case of the second of may, what has been done, what has not been done. well, in general, we understand that fuchit g escaped , but he was not alone, we understand that a fairly powerful pro-russian brigade was operating we remember there was such an activist markos odesa yes, but it seems to me that you have mixed everything together a little, because it sounds already there to say that he is the same as the entire militia of that time, and he thought most of all about his own well-being not about some ideological things , it was important for him to stay in power that's why it was

like that between drops let's say this and if we say that he sounds in life when you know literally there two weeks that i don't remember the dates it was announced that that he is his it was announced in the mouth, as far as i don't know, well, there is a decision of a certain court regarding uh, bringing him to justice, but we need to talk about that marko, there are deputies of the city council, dimityev vasiliev, who literally immediately fled, uh, hmm, from odessa, and by the way, it's very interesting that none of the leaders from the leaders of this so-called russian spring who were then in odessa were not injured, they evacuated very safely in odessa somewhere there was something happened in the crimea then they were in donetsk for a while and then they settled in moscow now they tell number were getting ready to enter odessa, they were already standing here in kherson sunflowers, but here in novoobon, nothing happened, that’s why if we are going to talk

about punishment, you know that the person who led this pro-russian march on the second of may and went to the pro-ukrainian march was pro-ukrainian , and the people who were there were a weapon in this dovzhenko, the so-called captain of cocoa. yes, they know the long court proceedings did not give you anything. he was released in the courtroom due to lack of evidence because on may 3, in the trials, all the evidence had already been destroyed. the city was very wash out, and especially what was related to the greek square, everything there was a cheek and you know that there was practically no uh, there were no investigative actions in the first days after these events on the kulykovo field. it was open there, everyone went to the commune, the puppy was not punished, you know. the only person who appears to be in good faith and still goes to all the court hearings is the then head of the regional

police, before it seems that he was also somehow very strangely useful, but he is the only one who does not teach anywhere and did not go anywhere it seems that he still goes to court sessions like this well, of course, a characteristic moment of ms. kazanzhi was the presence of direct executors of citizens of the russian federation, representatives of the representatives of the russian federation . it seems that the russians were not terribly interested, if we are going to talk about the dead, then we have repeatedly denied this, it seems that there were a couple of people from russia, and one of them just

i went through the case, he was detained, there were no casualties , as far as i remember from those events, there were no citizens of the russian federation among the casualties. when was the end finally put in this russian side in odessa, well, finally forever. and before that , we had february 19, we had march 3, when on march 3, for several hours, this russian rag waved over the building of the odesa regional administration, you understand. that is, it was there are several stages and the apotheosis of all this, this was on may 2, about the participation of citizens of the russian federation in various capacities, there is no doubt and we must not forget that a week after what happened on may 2, a book was already published in russia , odesskaya khotyn, they very actively used this standard he from appeared in the night just when the eyes of the first victims on the kulykovy field had already left, it all happened very quickly, so if

it was about participation in the middle and at a distance, and there was a propaganda one, of course there were a lot of them here, but here are the dead. we call them victims, actually, now, well, the judge denies what they did then in may and until may 2014 by the organization of uh, such tragic events as happened in odessa uh, in 2014, he usually remembers for a long time. how was the day in odessa today, was it calm well, i can't even talk about ukrainian activists right now, because you know it, because we suddenly thought that we always say ukrainian odesa, we never say ukrainian kyiv or ukrainian poltava, you understand. we all it's time to convince everyone that odessa is ukrainian well, now i want to say that at the place of death of pro-ukrainian activists and i understand how

it sounds a little realistic here, the place of death of our patriots gathered today because activists gathered in the prayer bed not a large number because listen a huge number at the front now they are just there is no one in the city, and i will remind you that the first to die from bullet wounds were the civilians, the participants of the trip to ukraine, who gathered in the city center to go watch a football match, i will remind you. and just then, these two died people of perekompy andrey and igor ivanov and it is worth talking about them because both igor ivanovych had a brilliant career. he absolutely could develop there, live and reveal his children, but this is how it happened that he became the first and victim, and that is where russian activists went.

- well, i will speak so tolerantly. he was killed on the kulikovo field , where these main events took place. i came there today, there were such big traffic jams because they were checking the documents in the cars of the people who were driving the cars. there was a lot of equipment. i just arrived five literally 10 minutes ago there and there are still police officers standing in a chain, there are a lot of them, they are standing there one after the other every 2-3 m, so far it is calm and at least i did not see anything of the kind that was said about some kind of destabilization, but this is a wacky field about law enforcement officers people are checked and let in one by one eh well, they go with these flowers, they put these eh supporters of the roman peace in flowers at the place of death and somehow, apparently, they honor a certain memory there, but thank god there are no rallies

. i think it is only because the military condition and so if there wasn't this coven that was there all the time, hey, look, we only have a couple of minutes left, zoya, who was busy mentioning the crimean odesa scenario , which could have spilled over, possibly into additional territories of ukraine, which in your opinion could still be involved in the scenarios and or for example everything was blocked and stopped now that the actual network of agents was preparing everything for this war and we have to understand that the same preparations were made for ukraine, for i apologize for lviv, frankivsk , ternopil and all others, that is, this agency was network that from this side, on the background of the heating up of certain such interests due to geographical geographical circumstances

, it was, but it must be remembered. infantry that are being trained in odesa. therefore, we have to talk about these threats of the agent network, which was at that time, uh, starting from the 13th year of the 14th year, as an active participant in the maidan events in lviv and kyiv, i understand a lot of things now i agree what are those who were simply used by the system because they were used to carrying out orders, and there were those who refueled and received instructions and only later over time had to understand by reading certain things there , having permissions due to a certain position , i will tell you frankly, there are a lot of events that could have happened then it was clearly understood that there were scenarios, there were instructions , and there were definitely puppeteers who controlled all of this. such a great great sacrifice that we received

then on may 2, it’s the beauty and the post-maidan period immediately after the events of the seizure of the annexation of ukrainian territories, therefore, unfortunately, this is a tragic page of our history. yes, there are those who submit certain positions and so on. that is, we are talking about the fact that the final point has been put. but we are not talking about the fact that we have a lot of problems if we were decisive in the 14th year everywhere, not only in odesa, maybe later we would not have such tragic events that continued to happen in our country, it is necessary to call a spade a spade and stop playing tolerance at a time when, at my suggestion, our people are being killed , women are being raped and our children are being raped , you understand, and that’s all if this is where all the sources are from here they are there something orange revolutions were being prepared thank you that is, we have to finish

zoya who has always been an odesa journalist and social activist who was in touch with us in the studio oksana yurynets worked as the head of the ukrainian delegation to the nato parliamentary assembly in 18-19 years, well, oksana and i now pass the word like this, our colleagues will work serhiy rudenko in the verdict program, watch together and this is the verdict program , my name is serhiy rudenko seven good day and good health today, the second of may 432 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers of the federal chancellor of germany olafshol said that ukraine can receive ammunition for cheetahs already in august , the commander of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade kholodny yar, colonel pavlo palis said that the defense forces control the roads to bakhmut and defend the city, meanwhile, the russian occupiers