[000:00:00;00] oksana yurynets, the odesa journalist and social activist , was in touch with us in the studio. oksana yurynets worked as the head of the ukrainian delegation in the nato parliamentary assembly in 18-19 years. well, oksana and i are now giving the word to our colleagues . serhii rudenko will work in the verdict program. watch together and this is the verdict program my name is serhii rudenko seven good day and good health today is the second of may 432 days of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers federal chancellor of germany olafshol said that ukraine can get ammunition for cheetahs already in august, the commander of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of kholodny yar, colonel pavlo palis, said that the defense forces control the roads to bakhmut and defend the city, meanwhile, the russian occupiers

continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of may 2, russia has already lost in ukraine has 191,120 people in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 460 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost 3,701 tanks, 7,193 armored fighting vehicles, 29 artillery systems, 544 jet systems in ukraine volley fire 298 means against the defense trainer 38 aircraft 294 helicopters and 5851 units of automotive equipment 18 ships boats 947 cruise missiles 2477 drones 360 units of special equipment in bryansk partisans blew up the echelon with fuel the russian federation unsuccessfully storms bakhmut

russian oppositionists against putin and many other topics we will talk about throughout the program about this i want to introduce today's guest, this is volodymyr e tsybulko, a political viewer, mr. volodymyr, good day, good health to you and welcome to our broadcast. let's congratulate mr. volodymyr. let's start our conversation with massive shelling. since we witnessed the fact that in the last week , the russians made three massive missile strikes on the territory of ukraine on residential areas , dozens of people died, unfortunately, hundreds of people were injured. destroyed apartments, houses , civilian infrastructure, the kremlin. and continues to use tactics of terror of peaceful citizens , although all this, of course, leads to

the opposite effect of hatred and anger of ukrainians towards russians, what do you think the orks are counting on terrorizing ukrainians now, the more helpless the russian troops are at the front, the more terror against the civilian population, this is a well-known tactic, and russian ideologues all the time say that this is an american tactic, in fact, this is a russian tactic, and in a similar way, american troops have not fought anywhere after vietnam what russia produced in syria, uh, where bombs , well, in homs, bombs of volume explosion destroyed whole neighborhoods, not to mention other

cities, that is, we can say that what is currently being cultivated, so to speak, on the territory of ukraine russia tested all this on the territory of syria, and there the syrian troops, or rather, the partisans, about whom similar methods were used, did not have air defense, ukraine has one of the best air defenses in europe, and these are precisely the indicators of the shooting down of missiles, they testify to this, but no, no against such a term of defense, which would be guaranteed to simply one hundred percent protect the skies of ukraine in any country in the world , including the united states, because it is not cool that hard blows fall on the territory of civilians, this attack on

pavlograd is generally so scary because the enemy knew very well that old soviet missiles were being processed there at the enterprise and part of the unprocessed missiles actually exploded. that is, it was calculated that the ukrainians should be scared and there would be some kind of negotiations. well, this must be understood. and more stubbornly, therefore, i think that the enemy now, well, any effort to at least slightly knock down the offensive potential of the ukrainian troops and delay the ukrainian offensive operation, well, in fact

, you can say that intimidation is going on, but it is frightening on the contrary, the ferocity and stubbornness of the ukrainian military together with the ukrainian people is only growing ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi in the evening video address to the people told about the meeting on the consequences of the russian tactical missile strikes on the body in the near future and the coordination of defense steps, we will hear from zelensky this monday and the new week began with an hour of the meeting with all levels of state management, defense, the head of the government , the ministers, the office reported to the head of the heads of the gur, the foreign intelligence service, the head of the sbu , the secretary of the national security council, the first question, the consequences of russian strikes, in particular missile strikes , just last night from midnight to seven in the morning, it was possible to shoot down 15 russian missiles, but unfortunately not all of them, not all of them as actively as possible.

they, in their understanding, are a picture for their citizens and in order to intimidate the rest of the world, which is now opposing russian aggression and against what putin is doing on the territory of ukraine, well , putin is playing bear cub once medvedchuk said that the government in ukraine is stronger than ever and putin will now try to demonstrate the power of his government to his people . murmansk and from the northern base of the strategic missile units of the troops sang at the same time, but i think 18 missiles

fired in the direction of ukraine fell on the ten planes that rose into the sky. that is, it is a kind of intimidation tactic rather a demonstration of the potential and you can say that er well, the blows are quite annoying and painful for er, but the effectiveness of air defense in the cities of er, larger cities with millions of people relatively speaking er indicates that these cities are quite well protected, but so far the potential would not be enough to protect smaller cities, eh, and here . it seems to me that these blows were inflicted on several preschool defeats on the front, that is, on land, because the russian troops were forced to retreat from avdiivka and in the direction of bakhmut, a complete

failure of the promised date of may 1, the capture i didn’t get bahmut later, that’s why they bombed the territory of ukraine, so to speak, in order to draw some kind of offensive potential there, but apparently putin ’s armada is having problems on the ground, and the more high-tech the ukrainian armed forces are, the more helpless the enemy looks . volodymyr, i would like to return to the topic of good russians, so-called good russians, because literally, yesterday, information appeared that the oppositionists of the russian federation, because the russian oppositionists in europe adopted the declaration against the war of the putin regime, as of the evening of april 30, 68 representatives of the opposition publicly signed the declaration in which they declared

their commitment to the principled positions, the first of which is the criminal nature of the war of the russian federation against ukraine . it literally says that russian troops must be withdrawn from all occupied territories, russia's internationally recognized borders must be restored, soldiers must be restored, criminals must be brought to justice, and victims of aggression must be paid compensation at the same time at the same time there is a statement by the russian writer and publicist victor shenderovych who believes that with ukrainians, russian liberals are on the way to the first turning point, that is, to the overthrow of putin's regime and the end of the war , the killers call the russian army our boys, let's look at shenderovych and then continue our conversation with

the ukrainian today we are partners until the first turn until goodbye putin until the end of the war with ukraine until the victory of ukraine in this war here now we are united дальше and here is the replica of a journalist from a happy journalist, this is the time, it’s still our country and our guys, yes, deceived unfortunate bastards . sometimes even murderers. well, that’s well , not ours. oh russia was and i will no longer vouch for ukraine, and many ukrainians already and it is possible to understand the national ones

, they would like russia to simply write the whole thing. ah, it happens that a person who lives in israel thinks about our boys, yes, well, this is a quote, it's me, if you love russia so much, then why you are not in the territory of russia, you are not in the territory of russia, you are not with your boys, i would rush to the donbas and get yulei in the donbas, maybe they brought you a ball of cellophane with a cellophane ball or somewhere, well, what did he deserve there, but the essence of this falsity of some russians, even those who

civilized people wriggle out of themselves, it consists in the fact that he uses an absolutely key word that identifies him if in the city he uses the term ukrainian nazism, which does not exist in nature, but it is not complete here it is like this and he used it and he burned himself on it so here i am i want remind the russian liberals who wrote such a very good declaration that there are several essential things in this declaration, personal compensation to the families of the victims, this is good, but reparations to ukraine should include all the damage caused to the ecosystems of europe, the caspian in the black sea, and if they slander, it says that anise is with the ukrainians until the first turn, then their first the turn begins after full payment of all reparations and all compensations, that's

their turn, let shendrovych live if he is so wise before this turn, but morally in the eyes of many people, he has turned into such a non-existent thing, how and what? well, i don't know, beautiful woman, because there are still several such writers , simple lord, what are trillets now, and it was he who was meant, i just didn't even want to remind, well, mention the surnames so that the audience will understand about whom about nazism, what did you mention that was not included in the video, the quote , i will quote why shendrovych used the concept of nazism, so that it would be clear to our viewers . he said that statements from the ukrainian

side about the need to end the existence by russia in its current form and with today's borders, the russian writer means shenderovych, he considers it to be the outbreaks of nazism, that is, he is absolutely convinced that russia in that form, but with the exception of putin alone, can continue to exist and, er, be in those borders that they have drawn for themselves again, he does not delineate its borders and does not say that russia should leave all the occupied territories there, because it is not only about ukraine, in this case it is about politics. and it is their wet dream to blame everything on putin. i wish there was no putin, but russia was a chauvinistic , hateful person, and they who clip coupons are in the status of cultural figures of this russia

. in the field, there were quite a lot, not poor, because, unlike ukraine, the russian book market allowed many writers to exist from their creativity by selling books to the same shenderovech, it’s simple, they would like putin not to exist, but he was enslaved, he was enslaved, and there was melted karelia, for example, was destroyed and all the infrastructure was driven out. i looked at finland, the corals. finns are one people. look at how the finns live and how the korels live. this is the end of everything. and this is shenderovich. he would like russia to live like the korels and not like the finns. he always doesn't negotiate. let me negotiate my final wishes

, so to speak, according to their hotel why he why he half his and shuts up and immediately switches first to ukrainian nazism, which does not exist in nature , but even further he remembers his babushka which is not could hear the german language, denying the ukrainians' reluctance to hear the russian language, his grandmother can speak german after the second world war, she should not hear the german language. and ukrainians should listen to the russian language after this bloodshed. well, this is an absolutely hypocritical position, and for this hypocrisy, i think that you are not doing it now from brebe to the full he encapsulates it, he will shut up and will er and download i so to speak in er social networks because i think that meetings with open audiences for him will have

to be stopped for a certain time after these statements according to your er do you see any leader among the russian opposition who would adequately speak or adequately relate to the situation in russia and to the crimes that russia is currently involved in on the territory of ukraine and to what period ? have remediation, the period of remediation must pass after our victory, as it was in germany, are there any leaders in such a country who can now say that in fact we made a disaster, well, a mistake, we must apologize , atone for making a payment to ukraine and in europe, it is the evil that, in principle, was brought by the putin regime. and 140 million russians became complicit in this crime, so, by the way , when the topic of collective

responsibility is reanimated again, or is it personal ? putin killed thousands of ukrainians and it was the little russians who killed them, relatively speaking, this is the first, the second , it’s about leadership, really this statement is a joint declaration, it’s, well, by russian standards , it’s unique, because it’s necessary to remind that all the people who signed these declarations are people who do not live on the territory of russia, firstly, secondly, how many out of 140 million were arrested for a strict anti-war position on the territory of russia, you say well, what are 400 people imprisoned there, or even 7000 imprisoned, not because they are strictly anti-war

, what they are for justice, and because there is a selective system of such a system of selective justice, which was caught and then imprisoned. after all, 77.5 military commissars are being conducted for the past year, well, they were burned in different ways, but this is cooler than one berlin statement, because the statement of the berliners, so to speak, was not paid attention to by anyone on the territory of russia, but at all times putin, they pay attention to that. the question is, if you want to transfer responsibility, so to speak, to individual responsibility, then several thousand officials should be jailed for the kidnapping

of ukrainian children, not this white one and putin, but several thousand officials who were involved in operations to remove children from ukraine, that is this topic becomes open and now the question is if the desire of the shendering company and the majority of the oligarchs wanted to pin hitler and there are a few people well, let 1,000 be imprisoned well, almost everyone, everyone else is not to blame, it is to blame because, first of all, the fault of russian society is that at the start of fascism this fascism did not receive strong resistance in society and it is the collective fault of russian society. i am not talking

about the enslaved people, because most of them today, if we are talking about shenderovets , really want russia to remain like this shenderovych does not want to compensate the people whose backbone they broke, who , in terms of their attention, actually or the mordovian land, make up less , i would not like shenderovych to restore justice in relation to which you fought with russia for some 50 years before chukh or some 50 years and became the objects of jokes, and the russians should have hesitated to say that, under these circumstances, such a shenderovich, they very clearly caught the topic, now it is possible to sell the topic, not the collective guilt of the russians, but the topic of putin's personal ones, well, let's

tie him up in a box and bring him to the out judge him and leave russia alone, we will give a little bit of money to the ukrainians there so that they do not bark about something like this, but the consequence of the ukrainian victory should not be the restoration of territorial integrity, this is only one well , one small iota in the great complex of actions according to the consequences of this war, this is also the reformatting of the un security council and of the un itself, this is a complete ecological rehabilitation of all territories that were uh-uh in the evening due to the activities of the russian authorities, including on the territory of russia, let them, we have some problems with the connection with volodymyr tzibulko now let's try to restore contact and i ask the editors to do this, and volodymyr tsibulko mentioned about vladimir putin's lviv belova subdivision, we know that the international criminal court has issued an arrest warrant for

lviv and belova maria and vladimir putin for the deportation, forcible deportation of ukrainian children to russia yes, she appeared in an interview with foreign media and said that russia does not take away ukrainian citizenship from illegally deported people, but only supplements it, they say that they do not erase ukrainian identity, but ukraine is trying everything related to russia, let's hear what maria lvova belova said, the citizenship of ukraine remains married. citizenship can fade identity we always sing songs in russian and ukrainian we told

russian and ukrainian fairy tales we always lived in friendship and understanding about what is happening now what is happening in ukraine connected with russia, volodymyr, i hope that you are in touch with us. i just showed maria lvova belova , a part of vladimir putin, and a person who , like putin, received a warrant from the international criminal court for the deportation of ukrainian children to of the russian federation, but she is trying to explain that well , we used to live so friendly. we sang ukrainian songs together with russian ones. we developed russian culture and the russian language

in ukraine so well, but here it’s just kind of like theirs. the statement is that a bunch of people came to power in ukraine and it destroyed everything, all the explanations, all the appeals, all the attempts to justify them, well, they obviously have only one goal, which you have already reached. do you just anger putin and say that well, there is one kremlin whose grandfather should we give? well, obviously, we are good. in general , we will continue to do what we have been doing. well , unless the russian army enters the territory of ukraine, or can russia change without denazification, de-putinization, and demilitarization? well, if russia wants to change

she should announce a program for the rehabilitation of all the peoples of russia and compensation for their losses and the restoration , let's say, of the normal functioning of national cultures on the territory of russia, this love of bilova, forgive me, god, if she falls, she will fall , she will fall, but she will even this whole paradox of russian orthodoxy does not think in terms of christian categories. the whole paradox of russian orthodoxy is that it is anti-christ, that it is orthodox , anti-christian. bilous forgot it when she tells about ukrainian russian fairy tales , how many schools are there on the territory of russia they discovered ukrainian as they did, let her tell about how between the census of 2001 and the census of 2011, 1 million ukrainians disappeared on the territory of russia, 1 million ukrainians, and despite all this, ukrainians had no ukrainian schools , no universities, no culture, no newspapers, no television, nothing ukrainian but even the disappearance of a million ukrainians in

10 years. isn't this a crime? this is, in fact, pressure for denazification, more precisely, not nazification, where denationalization in ukraine is already a crime . for these crimes, lviv did not want to answer, but she perfectly understands why i speak of her as unchristened, because she knows that the children whom they kidnapped from the territory of ukraine, first the russian troops killed the parents of these children, and then they take away what kind of people we are humane, we saved some of them, and our parents are the children, why did you beat them? they took out our children, bombed their houses, and then you say that you are humane. well, this is the essence of this lie . by the way, in this sense, the shenderov residents of lviv were

not particularly different from the average russian. many times, it was always strange to me why a person lies to your face, the facts that can be checked, well, needy people need one minute to check , you poke your eyes, why did you lie to me, and he says, and that's how i perceive it, well, that's about here, that's where they live in a comfortable picture of the world, they first committed crimes and then turned to shame, and we are good for that, otse and shenderovych. in this regard, flesh from the flesh of an average russian. thank you, vladimir, for the conversation. this was volodymyr tsibulko, a political expert, we work as friends. live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks and on youtube, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook , please like this video

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