[000:00:00;00] with espresso, a lot of interesting things are ahead. well, just now. literally in a few seconds, a news release from my colleagues from the ukrainian editorial office of bbc news will be brought to your attention. good evening . we are from ukraine, from ukraine live from london. this term defined the political regime of the russian federation, it was condemned by the ukrainian parliament , calls on other countries to do the same

. according to reviewers oleksandr kraev and oleksiy gran, ukraine officially believes that the russian government uses the ideology of racism of russian fascism, the parliament included this term in ukrainian legislation, condemned this ideology and called on other countries to do the same, we will talk about what it changes but first, the verkhovna rada passed a resolution on racism they call the ideology used by the russian government, the parliament believes that the war unleashed against ukraine is a direct consequence of the policy of racism, and i quote, we understand racism as a new kind of totalitarian theology, the practice that underlies the regime that was formed in the russian federation under the leadership of president putin and is based on the traditions of russian chauvinism , imperialism, the practice of the communist regime of the soviet union and national socialism are signs of racism. deputies consider, in particular , mass systematic violation of human rights, persecution for yanukovych the cult of power , militarism, the cult of putin's personality and other interesting things separately, the deputies pointed out that the sign of my

use for the expansion of russian orthodox terms, i.e. the term racism is now in official use, it was also used in ukraine before, it was used by some western scientists , first of all, the american historian timati snyder and we are in touch today, oleksiy garant , political scientist, scientific director of the democratic initiatives foundation, doctor of historical sciences, professor of the department of political science, who in mohyla academy and oleksandr kraev of the expert-energy center of the ukrainian prizma. i congratulate you both on the air. in your opinion, this is the definition of the guiding road in russia, this term is as comprehensive as it is, you know, i think, first of all, let's start here , there are two components, that is, the first component is political. accepted and that we

are trying to raise this term to official use and that is, we are not limited to it in our comments, and i think that the very consonance of racism, fascism, and it is completely justified and carries an emotionally appropriate load if we speak from an academic point of view, then i would say that racism is fascism today. it is a russian variant of fascism , the fact is that fascism is actually quite different as an ideology. yes, it is different. there are different versions of fascism. classical fascism is italy, let's say national in germany. - this is as if a more extreme form, that is, and a political scientist, and let's say they differ national socialism from a-a from such classical fascism, once again, fascism in different countries can take a different form. i

think that russia has been around since 2014. it actually was approaching this fascist model, which resembled the model established by mussolini in italy, and after the invasion of ukraine and after the invasion of ukraine, and after the in fact, a totalitarian regime was established in russia, that is, it is fascism, fascism in force in the russian version - it can be called racism, but with those features that the verkhovna rada in particular noted, there are other different features, but one of them is the russian orthodox church, the ideology of the russian world, although this is not surprising for fascism, which has always tried outline my living space, but i would say that racism is also fascism with nuclear weapons

, this is what makes this version of fascism the most dangerous and what creates huge problems in the fight against it, the possession and wielding of these nuclear weapons is served by the definition of racism for the russian authorities or not, in fact, from my experience so far, the use of this term is quite limited, that is, really. british and american, and it is the experts who are still not scientists who use this term, but

for the most part. the fact that we want the ideology of the modern russian regime to really iterate into fascism, as mr. oleksii rightly pointed out, is more threatening because it is this particular fascism that possesses nuclear weapons. what other special differences of racism do you think p oleksandr a-a, in fact, it is really necessary to attribute absolute sacralization here, that is, not only the elevation as much as possible to the prayu . it really was a sculpture of death in other totalitarian regimes, not just the elevation of the cult of personality in the format of the savior of the nation, the savior of the ethnos, here we see the absolute interweaving of this with a religious component, and a component of the absolutely generally accepted religion of christianity and the orthodox branch, this is a very important part

of racism, because it is essentially the use of religion as a weapon, and not only informational, not only spiritual, but as an absolutely clear part of the military machine of the russian federation, and secondly, it seems to me that an important part is the maximum pressure on the ethnic component, which is not official. that is, we see that the russians are on a level with the fact that i do not repeat that russia is for the russians at the same time, they constantly try to emphasize that their federation accepts all peoples, all ethnic groups, all religions, i.e. such ostentatious, i would say even bravura multiculturalism after all, russia only has a mask in order to hide the russians' efforts to drive the entire nation under one monoethnic, monocultural lanka , tell me how the soviet ideology influenced

modern russia, and this is how the verkhovna rada defines it, the formation of the ideology of racism, well, look, i think that the soviet ideology well, it the same was totalitarian in essence, just like fascism and nazism, but it really covered itself with these, if beautiful ideas, maybe ideas of equality, ideas of justice, and uh, this was its great danger. because that's why communist ideology contributed and in fact it attracted a lot of people, including, let's say, in the countries of the third world, it emphasized anti-colonialism and ostentatious internationalism, although in fact it was the imperial ideology and the ideology

of great-power great-power chauvinism. ideology, it consists in the fact that it was not actually judged. well, we know that even in ukrainian society these ideas were strong enough until recently and real and decommunization is relatively, well, really successful decommunization, decommunization from below, it started already somewhere only from 2014-20 , ah, in the 15th year, i think that if we talk about this influence of soviet ideology, well, again , this is messianism, it is as if what we svitoch for all the countries of the world, this is what the soviet union proclaimed. yes, and at the same time, again, nuclear missiles. look how it is present . well, by and large, the soviet union did not have much to be proud of. yes, but the russians are still

proud of it and constantly emphasize that we we will be able to destroy the united states and the entire civilization several times, this is a very common, dangerous thing, and i would say such a feature. at the current stage and in oleksandr , returning to today's resolution by a member of the verkhovna rada, they explain that the adoption of such a document can help to prosecute prophetism in the future the leadership of russia, how can this help in future tribunes, in fact , there are several dimensions here, the first dimension is, let's say, a practical, even a political choice , that is, calling a spade a spade, and

by identifying the russian political regime of the russian political elite as racist as such, racism as a political ideology tells us something, we make the process of sifting out those who are really guilty and really cooperated with those regimes, and who worked accordingly simply because i, as they like to say, there was such an order that is, as it was during the tatarbunals after the second world war, as it was during many other international judicial protests of processes, party affiliation, affiliation to a certain political circle, the grouping will already be a stigma in itself and this will actually help not only, as i said, to prosecute political war criminals . it will also help in the future not to allow the russians to again oppose this ideology. all even the thoughts of the imperial character of the empire creaked to have a similar statist civilizational culture . that is, this is justice for now, justice for ours is a modern and certain fuse for our children for the future of ukraine and, in fact, the future

of the whole world, and the second important component here seems to me to be also from our point of view ideological, we must clearly distinguish where there are democratic regimes, and where there are totalitarian regimes and not, and among the totalitarian regimes, which also includes china, there are fascist regimes, we must clearly indicate how russia really differs from all other countries of the world, even from other dictatorships and mr. oleksiy there are two minutes left until the end of the broadcast, you already said that russia did not switch to this ideology of racism in one day, as it is now defined by the ukrainian authorities, and it was a long process, there were such warning bells, but in your opinion, why is the west failed the event - it failed because we all really believed that the cold war had ended, that russia had become a normal partner, in fact , the same expectations were also for china, and

therefore, let's say, the first bell was when putin restored them to the soviet union as russia's national anthem well, it is very bright and very revealing. yes, but the west did not want to see this when the twisting of these nuts began in russia and the creeping towards authoritarianism began , but you see that even before 2014, russia was a full-fledged member of the great eight and after 2014, she was not even expelled. yes, it was only a suspension of her membership in this, and again , they sought dialogue in the west. there were such thoughts that it is possible to sit down with putin

and come to an agreement, and that is why they did not notice, uh, all the danger that putin did not. and so on, i.e. unfortunately. well, we saw that this was actually the attitude towards hitler and mussolini, and she tried to come to an understanding with them. the policy was not to interfere in peace, i.e., pacification, and in the end it led to war. therefore, thank god, the west has now begun to draw these conclusions, well, it’s better later than never thank you mr. oleksiy oleksiy garan , a political scientist who is the director of the democratic initiatives of historical sciences foundation and a professor of the department of political science at the kyiv-mohyla academy, was with us on the air and oleksandra oleksandr kraev expert of the analytical center ukrainian prisma thank you for joining unfortunately we only have 15 minutes of airtime what do you want to talk about it and

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gums. and may 10 at 10:00 p.m. exclusively on megogo my greetings you are watching svoboda life my name is daria kudimov and further about the main events of tuesday the second of may already with the goodwill of the russian army and forecasts regarding crimea as well as the peace initiatives of the pope and the fate of the traitors of ukraine who are still not under sanctions, about this and much more, we will ask the secretary of the national security council oleksiy danilov in a few minutes how exactly they surrender in anticipation of a ukrainian counteroffensive, the project i want to live , i report on a record number of applications from the russian military who want to surrender their weapons where do they end up after surrender to prisoners why they don't want to go to the exchange but how much do they cost in the state of ukraine about all this in the exclusive material of the correspondent of radio liberty has considerable business in ukraine and

continues cooperation with the ministry of defense of the russian federation colleagues from of the draft scheme, they found out how the company of the russian oligarch friedman supports the russian army after a full-scale invasion, why under sanctions in the west, friedman is still out of the attention of ukrainian law enforcement officers, and whether the ministry of justice responded to the investigation of journalists. the verkhovna rada officially recognized racism as the state ideology of the russian federation and called on the un, the eu and governments of democratic countries to support the condemnation of the politics of racism , people's deputy oleksiy goncharenko informed about this at the results of the parliamentary session and added which 281 people's deputies voted for, in addition, the verkhovna rada appealed to the united nations organization , the european parliament, the parliamentary assembly

of the council of europe, the osce parliamentary assembly, the nato parliamentary assembly, as well as the governments and parliaments of foreign countries with a call to support the condemnation of the ideology of politics and the practice of racism, the hottest point on the front remains today in bakhmut , the commander of the eastern group of troops , colonel-general oleksandr syrsky, came to the military in this direction together with the commander made a series of necessary decisions , i quote. well, what is happening now in the outskirts of bakhmut, our correspondent maryan kushnir tells us

. the fire is almost uninterrupted, well, literally right at us, so normal, canada was constantly driving , russia must be cut off from crimea, forced to a gesture of goodwill such a statement was made in the main intelligence department of the words andriy chernyak, the representative of the mountain, that the russian occupiers should be pushed out of the peninsula was published by the department's telegram channel . in an interview with army-inform, chernyak reacted to the idea of ​​the former commander of the us army in europe, ben hodges , to isolate the occupied crimea from the russian federation. the enemy must be cut off from crimea.

to make sure that russia could not use the temporarily occupied peninsula for military purposes and in the end carried out the so-called crimean gesture of goodwill, kilometer-long traffic jams on the illegal bridge from kerch to russia this is the right reaction. ukraine strongly recommends leaving the occupied crimea while such an option is still available . about the possibility that russia is preparing a new gesture of goodwill , the minister of defense of ukraine, oleksiy reznikov, stated his assumption in an interview with interfax-ukraine. this is not my forecast, but an opinion. but still, i will not be surprised if they have scenarios of some kind of serious catastrophic man-made problem on the territory of russia, let's say something happens to the hydroelectric power station of the nuclear power plant, risks will appear

for the population, and this will require the immediate attention of the government, the accumulation of resources, in particular soldiers, and so they will allegedly be able to explain to the people why they are ending active hostilities in ukraine. that is, they will have to voice gestures of goodwill under the guise of some kind of cataclysm on the territory of the russian federation. in his material about the counter-offensive, he says that the minister of defense told journalists that ukraine will return crimea without a fight. oleksiy danilov joins our air. oleksiy my greetings. good evening. well, i would like to start today's news about racism, the political ideology of russia, what it changes for ukraine. well, actually, will it help ukraine? you know that at first it is not very much . there was an interpretation of how the russian federation was called now after the vote of the verkhovna rada, the word racism should already be recorded, so we should use it

in relation to the russian federation to such people who today they are peanuts, that is, the legislator has put a certain point, let’s put it this way, which team to put a little earlier , but nevertheless, it is better late, when to other news. scenario of a man-made disaster or something similar, what cream and there will be able to justify the need to stop the so-called e ied in ukraine how do you assess the prospects of such a scenario, all these gestures of goodwill are the result of our actions of the armed forces of ukraine is the result of our security and defense sector , and it is only under the influence of these factors that these actions, which we call gestures of goodwill with you, unfortunately do not

come from goodwill, and that is why we are doing everything depending on us in order to speed up their movement in the direction of our borders so that they will release them . this is exactly how it will be. well, earlier we observed such gestures of goodwill in kharkiv oblast, kherson oblast. the sanctity of the annexed peninsula for the kremlin. in fact, the russians generally say that they will give crimea without a fight , why? well, it is difficult for me to say whether they will give something without a fight, but the only thing i can say is that if necessary, we will release in such a way that we consider necessary. at the time of making certain decisions . and if there is a need for us to use a little bit of other means of influence there, they will definitely be used. and who do we ask about this? and ours

task and release is a clear understanding of our constitution, everything is written there where our borders are located, i emphasize once again that they will definitely be released in one way or another well, in fact, in the previous days we talked a lot about the explosion in crimea, just now we see this video and they are called preparing for a counteroffensive, literally before the broadcast with you , it became known that the alleged work of air defense was announced and now explosions can be heard in sevastopol. we know what is happening there until that time, while we are not physically present there, you know that god is merciful to our country, he periodically sends signals to the russians. appropriate way, and i think that those people who have a little sense understand that

they need to get into the car as soon as possible or that they still have something in order to get off the peninsula. moreover , you can't take someone else's property, christian ideologues, you know what's in the commandments written about the fact that you can't steal, they stole the peninsula from us, they think that it will be so -so . in the center of national debate, today you allowed terrorist acts on the territory of russia or simulated hostage-taking in the u.s. in order to blame it on the armed forces of ukraine u.s. and allegedly on the russian army stationed in dobryansky and kursk oblasts, they received the ukrainian military uniform was reported by local telegram channels, and more precisely by local channels that cooperate with the ukrainian underground. and what do you know about this? and why is it necessary in russia? if

they are not looking for any justification for their actions there, well, they are capable of conducting one or another special operations for this purpose . of their goals, i can remind you that when putin came to power, the nakasheviks tore down the houses of the citizens of their country, and this is already a proven fact, and it is already historical . when all this began, that's why they can to invent anything for themselves, our formula, some other form - this will definitely not help them, they believe that in this way they can somehow concentrate and console their society, but on the challenges they have . now they will face them once again , i emphasize this to them for sure it won't help to blame us for what we are not going to do . well, it will be quite a difficult situation. although they are capable of performing any kind of performance, they are professional

people. in russia they actually talked about the next dates for the capture of bakhmut, the russian army is expected to now they are trying to give otaku a victory on may 9, and actually the armed forces of ukraine commented on what they will do everything is possible so that this does not happen, in your opinion, can russia capture the whole of bakhmut by may 9 well, you know that since august 1 of last year they have been grinding themselves for bakhmut, but on the first of may we crossed the 9-month mark, but a person gives birth to a healthy person in nine months, they did not manage to take the district center, which is called bakhmut, that's why, of course, they will now make efforts before the ninth of may to resolve this issue, but i am no longer sure that our military will do everything possible , it is impossible that this will not happen if they do not succeed with bahmut, where on the front should we expect provocations

? what do you think of provocations? look at the word combination of provocations. i think that it is not quite correct that there is a war on the front, so the length of the front line is very long. that is what is happening there. they are called provocations or hostilities, they are capable of any kind of effort today, i.e. to start some kind of process in this or that city that you call a provocation, but our troops are ready for any scenarios of the development of events and not only on marianka bakhmuti or any other cities, where there is understanding, where are the borders, which still exist today until we expel them, and we will fight them back to the verkhovna rada with a request to postpone for the time being the bill on the return of

30,000 extra payments to the military and this is the issue of wages defenders, it is really important. but is it discussed at rate meetings, let’s say at the nsdc meetings or in any other format, or was it discussed at some level ? how is it possible to decently ensure payment to the defenders of the state is an extremely sensitive issue and you know that those military personnel who directly accept participation in hostilities, as they have a completely different financial support and it is not 30,000, it is a completely different other money, but we are talking about those people who are directly in the performance of combat tasks when it comes to people, people who are far away from the front line are located in the territories where there are no hostilities. front line today there is a discussion about how