[000:00:00;00] ah, with access to the western outskirts of bakhmut there, not only will the fighting under, let’s say, under bakhmut, but they will continue with the same intensity, according to the idea and such a situation that then the russians will be able to transfer these forces to other places. well it's hardly possible, if i understand andrei correctly, you understand quite correctly, and besides, if we talk about our counteroffensive operation, what does the tactics of the russians look like , in principle, they remain unchanged. buildings so that our defenders would have nowhere to entrench themselves, there was nowhere to find shelter or build a position . and in fact, this is how they advance. that is

, this is the aleppo tactic. to gain a foothold in the destroyed place and this actually will work against them too well, er, let's know what's more. so, in detail, now let's discuss a slightly different topic, er, we've been watching the last week especially so in essence, this is the confrontation of the air defense forces and the attempts of the parties to push the air defense against each other, and from this point of view, ivan, please describe what the russians are trying to achieve, when they have increased the shelling of ukraine again, and again we see martyrs flying missiles there they are flying and striking somewhere deep in the territory. well, in general . well, what are they trying to do now, because it is obvious that these actions are also taking place in anticipation of the counter-arnavism, you know, i would

say here that it will be so that, on the one hand, the russians are actually doing nothing here they don't do anything new. let's say it's different from what they tried to do in the same period last year, that is, because if we remember that april, may , the summer of 2022, i didn't kill russia with missiles. well, to nationally try to harvest various kinds of well there are oil facilities because well, as there are already some players in the naphtha fuel market, write in the open what are the russians and now shekhedim well those let's say it's cooler than all those who fail shoot down they mainly look after oil bases, of course the result is not revealed, it’s just the trend itself, uh, on the other hand, if we talk about the fact that the russians even at the same time are trying to probe the air defense, well, that is, in order to detect something. i wouldn't say that it's similar, because hmmm, these are the massive missile attacks that were there in the fall

of which at the beginning of spring, when the russians fired up to 80 cruise missiles in one salvo, they were also generally characterized by the fact that, in parallel, the russians fired up to a dozen cruise missiles of the tactical level, which in theory should have been half of ours. well, for example, these k-31p anti-radar missiles are not currently being used by the russians, and accordingly , considering how much they have. the whole bank, well, that is, where will the missiles be next time, including p p o well, somehow it seems strange to them that they are probing. well , because according to logic, it turns out that they are probing our air defense system, but they are causing her damage but once nat left that the soviet zrk, what if these western zrk were airist and petriv ? they are actually located on the wheel base , change their position. are engaged in air terrorism, it is such a loud phrase that may not fully explain their military tactics

. well, on the other hand, if we were to say, what are the russians doing now that can be effective precisely in terms of the military, that is, to hit missiles so that it we somehow caused a certain military damage. well, they can hardly do it, because on the one hand, if you compare with last year a certain military result, their missile strikes on our objects reached, they lived then by unofficial data, including on training grounds and precisely with then there was a story that it was necessary to send at least part of the soldiers of the defense forces to study. well , if only because there are not only free and undestructed facilities, but there are also missiles there now so that the russians can achieve such an effect. it is unlikely to be like that, but if you try to think about the protertives, what options do they have?

the object of hope that at least something from that will reach us. and here, by the way, we can make something so interestingly specific that there is from that side. hmm , our information space has been very shaken. well, with reference to these mergers with the pentagon, we are running out of soviet-style anti-aircraft missiles, which accordingly weakens the battle order of our anti-aircraft defense , but it is obvious, or let's say yes, that these data on the lack of soviet anti-aircraft missiles were exaggerated, or there is no high-quality replacement by western anti-aircraft missiles about which we we don't know yet, because otherwise the situation would be truly catastrophic, well, this is the gold standard when it is possible to shoot down up to 85% of sonic cruise missiles at our butt, i wouldn't be able to withstand it, well, purely physically because there is a lack of forces and resources, but it is possible here . perhaps we can even say that for now, despite all the known and still unknown problems, the margin of safety of our anti-aircraft defense is higher than the margin of safety of the anti-missile missile arsenal

, because it was such an air battle, well, that is, the russians shoot missiles, and our anti-aircraft defense is trying to shoot them down, but it will continue, obviously, well, the calm of the russians will end, just the physical ability to launch cruise missiles of one type or another will end, the missiles for bombers will change to the caliber and ending in the caliber of ru, several tens of cruise missiles and the chanting to take place from the other side, that is, the rammstein format is a lot of things , while also getting soviet anti-aircraft missiles from various sources. knows where else there might be such interesting problems that are still unknown in the public domain, well, that’s true, but on the other hand, i don’t quite agree with you that the russians, well, over there , they don’t achieve any goals. they do

achieve something, in principle, too you can't do that say how is it at the strategic level because well, if you recall april 2022, it was in some ways a terrible time when only 18 rockets supplied the russians with a fan. one volley, but there is a complete nuance , yes, something is affected, something is destroyed, but such a large-scale effect is not achieved at the strategic level, this is what i meant, roughly speaking, they set themselves the goal of paralyzing the railway so that we cannot transport anything. it is possible that they damage something, but in general they do not achieve the set task. this is what i meant, not that they simply do not reach somewhere, nothing falls, and that is why, unfortunately , it falls. well, they are conserving their strength a little now, well, again, the expectation that, uh, now they will really

feel the anti-aircraft defense, well, the most active thing that is spreading there is that they are looking for these patriots who came to ukraine , trying to find where they are there with on the one hand, and on the other hand, well, after all, uh, maybe they are just preparing, well, that is, they are conserving forces, they are preparing there, they are trying to scout for targets, this can also happen andriy well , what is your point of view on this kind of anti-aircraft confrontation, i don’t think that i can particularly to comment on it, we are the national guard, but on the other hand, we actually also have guys who protect bohdan of the kyiv region , so i can say that there was really information that they are trying to probe the location of our newest anti-aircraft systems, including radar systems, because it is also very important, if , for example, the same anti-aircraft vehicles on a wheel base, they can very quickly, let's say, change their

location, then certain radar equipment takes a little more time. well, they are quite important, let's say so. that is why there was information that they are also trying to launch their missiles and martyrs in several waves , including because one wave reveals, let's say, the location of our anti-aircraft weapons and only then they they are trying to coordinate the next wave in order to hit them in this situation, that is, it is clear that there are constantly such attacks by drones on some oil base, on the places of concentration there. also , i understand that. our forces are trying to find and neutralize. means of radio-electronic warfare

of the enemy , what else can ukraine do now in order to reduce the possibility of the enemy's aviation to work during a counter-offensive? forces hnat spoke about the fact that a certain number of mobile groups with manpads and anti-aircraft machine guns are increasing there, and they work as part of various groups, including the national guard, the ground forces, maybe there are options, just what was stated there that these mobile groups of conditional say on these there are czech pickups when we, with those worthy depredations, what was defended by viktor, the czechs themselves called that it would be a certain way to save anti-aircraft rocketry , because who really? there is a shortage of these anti-aircraft missiles, just luckily. well, it gives us a certain disease if we talk about something more specific. well, unfortunately

, it is possible that in addition to some military means , maybe it is time to talk about what measures of civil defense, well, purely because well, why do we have after all, if it were really because of let's say a certain year there, in such a range of strikes, it is possible, for example, the same civilians, they are already used to the siren and the fact that something can fly in. but nevertheless, well , the issue with the storage facilities is not resolved and the issue even let's say with the concentration of some maneuverable strategic reserves there, fuel of other resources, well, maybe it, maybe it too will have to be decided actually, in what is some insidiousness of the actions of the russians. at this stage , why more? well, i literally talk more about the psychological effect there, the psychological result there as a result of their actions if take male cruise missiles and shahids as long-range weapons, well, purely because, not after all, when the russians find weak points there, like there, what

can fly through our battle formations anti-aircraft defense and hit the accumulation of some of our material and technical resources there. well, we cannot produce the same material and technical resources. well, if you really look at it from such an angle, then even up to the ice of one martyr per one vehicle base, this is all the same as a certain achievement of the enemy, but as far as in principle, these are the russians who are planning airbombs, and the russians are dropping these distances, now 70 km, obviously using some of the work of the iranian colleagues there. who is here? unfortunately , in principle, nothing can be done, except not at least in terms of protecting the civilian population, except for simply trying to evacuate, because until we have 16 long-range missiles , at least there are previous versions, and they have 120, which could hit at a range of 120 km unfortunately, there is no effective alternative there that could drive the russians away with their bombs far away from the other side, even if you try to assume some ppu systems

, you could ask, well, the theory of the americans is a zenith situation under the designation sirant this is essentially a six-barreled 300-meter anti-aircraft anti-aircraft gun that is designed to shoot down such small air targets as guided air bombs . as far as i remember, you know that the military and political leadership asked for such installations last fall, but judging by this, at first they were politely and discreetly refused, and then you the headquarters of the supply of shekets went, well, the ways against uh, on the comedian of the awaited missile , he is good, but well, hardly against this one , planning aerial bombs, therefore, unfortunately, in addition to the fact that there are physically building up those forces and means that we will still have to deal closely with civil defense. well, let the soviet times be called civil defense for what concerns the plan of tactical aviation here. unfortunately , the russians still have an advantage that, with the available means, we

still cannot break in principle. well, if you do, well it is hypothetical to say that there is, after all, this mig-29. yes, it seems so correct . who provided us, or could there be any weapons there that would still allow us to get something to the distance you said, 800 km, from which the eyes are actually launched, planning and controlled faba ivan's air bombs, well, if we talk about them, well, i'll be brief. if we talk about the mig-29 , apparently the western experiment of installing the same long-range missiles there, and they have 120 news, has not yet been successfully completed in theory. -29, it would be possible to look somewhere for russian missiles of the r-77 type, which are just there, not only sama itself . in the war, they can also be at a relatively long range of 100-120 km, we

did not have such missiles historically, but the question is whether you can buy these somewhere on the world market here. because the russians exported worse in the 1993s and to such a narrow circle of their loyal customers here, we can only hope that maybe slovakia had these r-77s, well, they didn’t make them publicly we were also handed over to the russians. we may be waiting for something here, but it’s still only hopes and missed uhu , that is, in the grand scheme of things, if we say that, uh, we can only hope that these planes will still be forced to fly closer and we will forget about them closer distances otherwise, for now, without the latest aircraft, it is very difficult to do something about it but nevertheless, we will be able to solve this problem there, we will not be able to solve it in some other way, we will solve it there uh, anyway, in the future, there in a month or two, depending on the weather, depending on the

how will our general staff plan there, but the offensive will still go and uh, well, something will move and here andriy , from this could you please give us more explain in detail why the national guard and why it will be different from the armed forces of ukraine in general, the work of the national guard in this situation , that is, the offensive guard is not part of the national guard . engage directly in the de-occupation of our territories, uh, why was such a decision made? because, uh, at some point , attention was drawn to the fact that in the national guard, where there are very, very many different units that deal with very different tasks, uh, not always military, but there are also military

units, we call them operational brigades, but in fact these are mechanized professional units in the national guard of ukraine, armed with tanks, armed with artillery and anti-aircraft means, these are units that have special purpose intelligence units in the bases of these brigades , an offensive guard was created, additional assault battalions were created, because during this year, the higher command drew attention to the fact that these brigades fight very effectively, for example uh, my brigade, if we talk about it, the front line brigade, it distinguished itself in the defense of rubizhny and severodonetsk, and this is a defense that lasted for several months, and we managed to inflict on the russians, uh, very significant losses there, uh, for three months, the defense that

lasted there was only vkontakte russians in the battles, about a thousand orcs died and three times as many were injured, this is what we know, but only from direct contact battles, that is, close-range combat, street battles, and therefore it was decided that since such units as ours, for example, have a very large experience of working specifically in cities in populated areas. they will also deal with the de-occupation of these cities in addition to the year 2021 , before the large-scale invasion that the brigade was very closely engaged in the topic of fighting in the city. we underwent training together with our colleagues from canada from the unifire military training mission and in the same year there was and were also international training arbitrating 20-21 together with partner countries e-e our znato and

together with the armed forces of ukraine with the border guards so that's actually this experience i i think it will be 100%, it was already used during our counter -offensive and during the liberation of our settlements. andrii this is the question. when you look at the attempts by the russians to storm bakhmut, can you draw some conclusions for yourself and for us? from this, there may be some things that would be valuable for

our attempts. that the russians, despite the fact that they tried to somewhat improve their approach and their military doctrine, but it’s all the same. let’s put it this way . the soviet doctrine of 1947 was slightly modified . we have already moved away from it. on the 16th, we mastered the structure of the headquarters, the structure of the headquarters according to the nato system, we mastered the mdmi military decision-making process, just like our colleagues from nato do, and that is exactly why we have it. well, let's say we are much more effective in this regard. well, the national guard compared to the armed forces ukraine, is there any such a significant difference, well, there, for example , the armed forces of ukraine, can we say that they are there on the first lines, they are on the second

lines? a military force with a huge number of different tasks, this is a military formation, including law enforcement functions, but from the national guard there is a brigade of operational purpose, such as ours, and these brigades, they were directly created to work in the first lines, that is, according to ours legislation during the state of martial law, the combat units of the national guard are subordinated to the general staff of the armed forces, and they participate in combat operations at the level of the armed forces with the units of the armed forces of ukraine, performing joint shoulder tasks until they actually began during the defense on the border, our brigade was responsible for this direction and we worked together with our units and with the border guards

, including the patrol police, who also showed themselves very heroically during the defense frontier, so i can say that there is no difference between us now, well, in fact , there is no difference. well, specifically, your brigade. i understand that there must be some sort of special selection. that is to say, it is not just that anyone wants to go, that is, it is expected that people should have some, well, slightly different mood, the point is that uh, a person should have a very high motivation , because an assault brigade is not for everyone, it's the same as standing at roadblocks, we're talking about assault actions uh but again we understand very, very clearly that no one people are very different. sometimes it happens . there are such cases. i

have seen a lot of such cases when a person has very high motivation but physical training is not at the best level, but it is not scary because the most important thing is morally . - strong-willed quality, and therefore when a person passes the selection and demonstrates high moral and strong-willed qualities, then everything else is done by us. we can help her on the machines. that is, we teach her to be a professional soldier. together with instructors and from nato and who, among other things, constantly go on rotations to the combat zone . they get experience there and then pass this experience on to our soldiers, that is, no one is born a soldier, but we will help us become ivan. there will be a counteroffensive or not, it’s not a question at all now, it’s obvious that it will be, er, it can be well, there in a different form, go

er, the only question is how much, er, how much territory will we have time to liberate, how powerful will it be, rather in this questions and if well to somehow try to model all these stories, so what should be the prerequisites for it to be as successful as possible, that is, what would we, perhaps, we would like to receive, but i would say so before the start of the counteroffensive, and what prerequisites should be formed in order for us could talk about his maximum success well, here we have the order that, on the one hand, the counteroffensive operation in which we all expect it will clearly be long-lasting, let's say, because of these tasks that were set, well, because of the depth of the defense that was built the enemy and, moreover, how large-scale it is, which should create the prerequisites for yet another offensive operation. well, let's say this

, which is probably being prepared for the fall, but for which it seems that packages of supplies of armored vehicles are already being formed, because not only the american abrams will go somewhere in the summer and autumn , but these german leopard 1 and let’s say so or other tanks found there, let’s say the standard of the warsaw pact, there are t-72 or other machines whose deliveries are already planned and even these polish wolverines armored personnel carriers, they are mostly part of they will also be delivered in the fall, and that's not all, not all, not all, to put it mildly, but then from the outside, it promises to be such a large-scale operation, but its fate in the level of success and there will not be a transition at all, well, obviously, it is defined literally in the first if even an hour if now and accordingly it will be determined in particular how much there is on one side and our troops will be able to take a fast pace in the enemy's breached position and at the same time how quickly the russians themselves will lose control over their communications

units that will be hiding behind these tsar's cops, so at first glance it seems that if we take this material and technical assistance, we simply need more of these engineering means, there are engineering machines of western analogues, the system of these courses 77 for demining, more let's say different means deliveries were based on the talent of the enemy, perhaps the means of fish that would help hmmm, you are jamming the enemy’s communication, well, roughly speaking , the maximum number of means that could provide , including firepower, but it is quite possible because even the western allies understand this too. and here is one of those interesting news, well, obviously, there are even some additional unguided missiles for army aviation that have better characteristics than their soviet counterparts. well, there is obviously a problem with their adaptation to soviet machines, is it visible resolved therefore, it is quite possible that exactly what is needed for the maximum success of this particular counteroffensive operation, ukraine will either already receive or has received or will literally receive

there in the next few weeks it is said that this is a gap before the start of this counteroffensive operation, well, there was another statement that ukraine received 80%, it is necessary. maybe there are just two percent of such the most valuable that will be very necessary in the first hours of the counteroffensive, why actually if the amendment goes not only to the weather but also to the fact that, to start the operation, to the fact that these material and technical resources must be physically obtained and distributed troops and only then start active actions, well, otherwise, it’s better, otherwise, it’s not necessary . well, you know, there are always such speculations, 100 reasons why it should be there. well, somewhere in toochkova there, about 15 km 30. something like that or should

be at once in several places. regarding all of this, to what extent do you think that it will be point-based or not? all these efforts of ivan are probably up to you. if we talk about some points of effort, well, as far as we know from open sources, well, the same counteroffensive in kharkiv oblast started from the front section just a few kilometers it's just that after our troops had entered the enemy, the space there had already expanded to 70 km. why? by the way, it was as if there was a full moment of counteroffensive or forced to stop. well, because the bodies of the front did not stretch, which was, well , our troops probably took an operational pause, that's why in fact this is not speculation, it is as if on the one hand, people who spread theses say, well, in my opinion, everything is correct, it’s just a matter of purpose , why are they saying it? they say it , rather, not to inform our side, to enter as much as possible. well, what is the russian thing that will provoke the enemy? well, let them sit there in the inn and think where and where will

the ukrainian counteroffensive begin ? in one area, inserts in another, roughly speaking, all these speculations are somehow necessary so that the russians are accordingly tense and do not know when to react and how to react correctly, the column will actually start because yes, they are constantly thinking about it they constantly try to guess what is going on in our wall, they try to somehow, uh, feel out there, that conversation, that here, now , there will be a conversation, that here, well , that is, in principle, something like this is happening. okay, thank you, our time on the air is up. thank you, ivan kyrychevskyi military expert de fenotiskps andriy kulish, press officer, rapid response brigade

, border well, continue the press terrace, serhiy rudenko and his vertical, serhiy, greetings, where are you ? hello, olga. serhii rudenko good day and good health to all today, may 3, 434 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders. zelenskyi arrived in finland. the office of the president of athens reports this. meanwhile, the defense forces of ukraine shot down 21 attack drones of keran production, in total , the enemy used up to 26 drones at night , a russian su-35 fighter jet carried out an airstrike on an enterprise in the village of svesa, sumy region , in the krasnodar region of the russian federation, at