[000:00:00;00] okay, let's really look each other in the eyes. yes, there is everything russia has, well, nuclear weapons, if they are distributed there and will gonize over there, there are several dozens of at least some smaller states, well, it will be several dozen smaller states with the same problem, and control all of them it will be absolutely impossible for them. well, that's why, frankly speaking, it's a matter of politicians. well, i'm a military man , my business is military, and well, just by chance, i'm just going there now, not at the deployment point of my unit. and now in in kyiv, yes, because a lot of work is being done. also here, well, we do what they demand of us, and it is even more. well, as before , we did it. yes, and i am quite optimistic.

other units of the armed forces, and we gladly share this experience. well, this is absolutely normal practice, but in order to help people do better in a critical situation. and tell me when you realized that you wanted to be a soldier. it is a very difficult question. to be honest, when i went to i planned to serve there for a certain period of time, and well, damn, in those realities. yes, in the 16th year, there was hope that there was. volunteers yes, there, we will calmly go to our homes. so we will continue our civilian life, we will just live as we used to. well, not everything is so simple . well, i guess i understood that i understood that i am not what i

want, i have to be a soldier. yes, when i returned to the service before full scale invasion, well, it's simply returning to the same thesis that at the right time in the right place with the right people. well, again , very often lately , people in the media have singled them out somehow. i will say something else, well, it turned out that i became a media person here, but in my city there could have been another, many others, why we just don’t show everyone. so, uh , there is strength in unity, strength in the unit. ani is an angel of individuals, although our unit is azov. we just strengthen the abilities of certain individuals and we use people as efficiently as possible, we maximize our human potential because we know how to correctly combine

these equations, and in order for a person to be effective, more effective than he will be simply if he is appointed there in a certain order, yes, and against his will, well, somehow, this is the formula of productive equipment, can you say so, and is there any, you know , some philosophical way of a warrior and what should a warrior be in your opinion? well, look, this is a very extensive question. it can have several approaches, such as european, asian ancient epic, archaic, and so on. but the first thing is the most important thing, this is the archetype of service. i repeat this phrase very often, yes. our lives do not belong to us, they belong to society, we give them to society and do not ask for anything

. we don't do it there for the sake of some mythical public good, or just for all good against all bad, no, we understand that it 's right, but before giving orders , giving commands, you have to learn to obey yourself, yes, that's the base in principle. well, that's it the basis is the same with service, that is, if you understand that you are dedicated, you dedicate yourself to society. well, then it is possible that completely new horizons of perception open up, well, this is the difference, for example, between people who consciously chose the path of the military yes and people who were forced to become military, although the same for example, you can say that there we are about there about ours about our volunteers there in the 14th year , they didn’t want it, it was forced, but

still people decided and made a choice yes, that’s why now there are certain nuances, but even if a person was simply mobilized well, as of now there is nothing wrong with this , absolutely uh, just then, the task of a person is to understand directly, to grasp this truth that , well, first of all, good day, you are in the army. well, there is nowhere to go. yes, and the situation in our country is very very critical, well, it's really true, and you should maximize your potential and your effectiveness because you perceive reality as it is, you don't build castles in the air, you don't create illusions, you don't try to escape from reality, although reality can be very, very unpleasant and very traumatic and painful, from which you definitely want to run away, and i have never condemned people who are going through difficult times, because of difficult conditions, because of

difficult circumstances, but somewhere they give themselves some relief, for example, well but you also need to understand that there is a moment of relaxation in order to simply exhale, that’s ok, but to fall , for example, in pique, uh, self-pity, that’s not about it anymore, it’s already wrong, it’s already ok, well, if we all stick together, then well, nobody will have any more collect buy well, society is traumatized by war, society is traumatized by war, and this is a reality that is impossible not to perceive, and as there are often written on the internet , people convert it into donations, yes, they convert trauma into productivity , let it be compulsive . there is no unified scheme

for that, that is, all people are different, all people have personalities, and there you can find an approach to everyone, but it is also worth understanding now that you can sacrifice your personal for the good society, because if we don't do it now, well, personally, you may not be there anymore. and you, by the way, went to psychologists after being captured , talked, of course. well , that's fine. well, it's absolutely normal, normal things. they won't be there, especially there, there's a lot to talk about. but again, i don't visit all the time, but if necessary, i knew who to turn to and i know who has it. well, who can help there, for example? well, the situation is absolutely normal, but there is no need to stigmatize certain conditions there people

especially if a person has gone through a mental trauma there. well, how many people , like almost all of them, well, the only thing is that the help must also be correct in order to not just normalize the traumatized state of the person, yes, and clearly define the boundaries between the norm and the abnormal, and because there is a lot of it there in the modern practice of psychologists, they simply normalize pathological conditions. and this is wrong. it is possible. it is right. it runs in the developed western societies. yes, where a person tries to perceive himself as they are. yes, but not because of the desire for better, not because of self-improvement, but because of simply accepting yourself as you are with all the weaknesses, volumes and so on, motivating it by the fact that it is helve lavin na but well, it is a little bit wrong , yes, with us, if the goal is a little higher yes, and we have a helsi for a downpour, we have some kind of downpour now, uh, but you will be able to think about quality

. then you will know it. one of the main postulates of tactical medicine, yes, and we exchange life for health. well, when we save a person and in field conditions yes that is, we think first about life, but then about health, well, this is quite such a rough analogy, well, quite a rough analogy , well, about that it can take place, because after captivity , yes, well, you should consult a psychologist. well, what kind of military psychological training is there? well, we understand that there is military training. perhaps there is also psychological training. i am asking because well, for example , yes, in case of being

captured . it's a load, so what they were going to buy you, well, an interesting question, well, first of all, there was no specific special psychological training in our country. well, it was not conducted, and in general, for all the armed forces there, i can say that such a phenomenon as mpz is morally psychological support, like psychological help, it was always considered quite secondary . so i consider this a shameful practice. well, this is reality. i don’t blame anyone . it’s just like that because everyone. well, usually to officers there who deal with moral - psychological support disagreements and so on are related well, what about people who simply occupy a place in the staff is not considered correct because it is important in our country. we carried out effective actions regarding the reform of the personnel service in general.

in working with both of them, a is a person who can perform all the functional duties of a commander, because he is his deputy . and, plus, he has a very wide range of powers and responsibilities. well, it does not end there with cultural and mass events, yes, there is a mouth there to the cinema yes, should we organize a folk art concern there? should we read , for example, some historical literature and so on? well, this is also useful. well, 100%, but it is necessary. well , in order to feel our unit . yes, we need to constantly communicate with people. there, the condition must be monitored. well, there are protocol actions that are carried out for this purpose on monitoring. yes , there are more informal actions that are, strictly speaking , those that create the atmosphere of the unit. that is also very important regarding the special there

elements of preparation, well, for capture, first of all, you can never prepare for well, the first rule, er, the first rule, which concerns the half, you do not get captured , the second rule, well, look at the first rule, everyone went through it and goes through it in their own way, and people and i just react differently, well, in short, for example, about my personal perspective. yes, i can talk only about my case to us . because i know. there are a lot of situations where people have a completely different reaction to other consequences, and that's why we differ. there were moments when they asked me in the media , yes, and i said how was my condition, how was it, how did it really happen, yes, how did it all unfold there as it went, yes, well, it was perceived differently by certain other military personnel there, yes, because

that someone is more lucky, someone is less lucky. and here is the same thing about training , well, look, preparing for war, how we always trained soldiers. yes, there is one basic condition, yes, it is moral readiness to kill and be killed, this is the rule of the game, you then accept them and well you start to understand eh well it seems nothing well nothing complicated at first glance but still there is a constant struggle of the natural self with the supernatural self well this is in a personal perspective but when you become a part of something bigger a part of a unit in a platoon division against a battalion of a brigade regiment then that's when this is what happens, that is, a military unit is a single large living organism. where everyone must be in their place, where every cog must be correctly positioned and turn

as it should. and then, then there is a moment coherence, then the moment of e-e balance. and then and then there is a moment of combat effectiveness . and all the other things. they simply tighten up and fall into place. if the units have time to normally cultivate some kind of correct constructive atmosphere there, then this one succeeds, well, in parallel with a high level of combat training, but now we , well, the general trend in the country is that we cannot , for example, provide ourselves with the level of combat training that we would like. we can spend years on training people to sharpen them and polish their skills and experience. so, and only then let in more prepared or parts. well, we need to change our shoes on the run. so, and

look for new, new ways to effectively solve problems. yes, there will be another offensive, yes, the russians. do you believe it ? well, if there is one , what will be the scale? to be a mass, but then again, how to feed properly before the russian offensive, prepare the actual offensive, well, that's all, that is , it's completely uninteresting now , well, from my position, yes, that is, i'm speaking exclusively for myself. it's there in a month in two in three there in four in a week i don't know i don't know when maybe it has already happened but it was a little so flabby uh-uh situation in which we shouldn't constantly look back at the actions

of the russians when planning our actions we must be concentrated and focused on their own actions well, we shouldn't sit there thinking about rabbits with a constant news feed. yeah, damn, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that one was captured, that was captured , and that one was repelled. and when they advance, oh damn , something else tells me that there will be in a month, yes, and the cia they say that we will be like that in two. oh, just what are you doing? we need to prepare our forces. we need to change the way of thinking of the citizens who have not yet changed it. we need to be more actively involved in military training . maybe just some civilian courses there will finish, although well, i am more in favor of letting a person simply register . yes, and he will be ready, just at the right moment, to be in the right place with the right people , or just be there in advance, without waiting for a summons, to join the, er, the armed forces

or to the national guard, by the way, we are recruiting people. here is the azov brigade , the assault guard, join the friends of the city offensive, uh , what is their plan, it will be an assault assault battalions, yes, what are you brigades, yes, no , the concept of an assault unit, yes, it is enough blurred, yes, that is, there is a definition by state . yes, there is a definition according to the direction of activity. yes, because there is such a type of combat, for example, an assault. the newly formed national guard in the national police

, e.e. , in the dpsu, what is the general name of the tax offensive guard? offensive actions, in what format, in what interaction, i cannot say. well, most likely, there will be close interaction between the armed forces and so on, where there are also our own offensive forces, and this should be understood as a single system , yes. that is, well, these are different departments yes, it's just two parallel directions of bureaucratic work , and it's absolutely normal, it's always the way it was. it's just that there is still mobilization potential in parts of the national guard. yes, where do we want to strengthen our units? yes, by recruiting more people, but primarily volunteers because this is the moment where our approach, like us, how we are, for example, we have been staffed there all these years exclusively by volunteers or by people who voluntarily volunteered to transfer to us, but it can also be extrapolated to other units, why is it

important because it is the first this is a key moment, this is a decision, this is a person’s desire. well , the same applies, for example, to people there, just civilians, just a civilian person who has a voluntary desire to serve and protect the motherland. she is already more motivated in the base and is ready to make greater personal sacrifices, well, in terms of the time of personal life, those and so on, for the sake of society , for the sake of the state, and that is good, well, it is on the contrary, for example , to a person, what strength, strength, self-immolation, and by force they try not to force, force to fight, it is not very, not enough right, you just need to come in from the other side , you don’t need to scare people with summonses, you don’t need to punish people with logistics and so on. no , you just need to let the person understand that if he is, for example, a person of draft age there he will go to serve, but tomorrow he will simply have nowhere

to go home. that's all, and people have to understand it. well, because the situation is, well, a little bit of the body won't hurt, because it's not the time to relax, but uh, there are people who don't understand, they say well, after, especially after the russian army withdrew from kyiv, yes. well, there are. i know people who have relaxed a bit. well, they won’t come here , why there ? well, why? demarcation there on the line of combat yes in such a state so all these guys will come to an agreement. all the guys are fine. goodbye. no, it won't be like that. this is the main thing. this is a very destructive prejudice, because in this way, people who think like this shift the responsibility from themselves to someone else. it is worth understanding that the russians have already switched to the tactics of casting blame on me. yes, but if we do not form, well

, effective, coordinated, trained units in advance , it doesn’t matter where the stabilization of the front line is for defensive actions, for offensive actions. yes, but trained units. yes, the russians will attack they are throwing meat and when we will be forced to mobilize even more people and we will play by the same rules as the russians until they are just five times more so here we are and then well then and then all then apologies then there will be nothing in this the problem, i.e. a person who can now go to the army to mobilize as a volunteer, it doesn’t matter if you are not a member of the armed forces well, i personally want a university to join us we need people and she will be ready earlier and she will spend precious time there no no no no no no no reflection yes but over combat coordination within the unit may be of decisive importance for the country, that is, you understand the math, yes, time . it’s just that the time a person spends on thinking

turned into the time a person will train within the unit where he or she can really do something useful for the country. and how much time is needed? well to learn how to somehow unconsciously conduct combat operations. well , there is a month, two, three. individual combat training of a recruit now takes place according to a shortened scheme for, well, on average . cuban base training, but it’s individual here. we’re still throwing in the training in the unit formed there, it’s there, for example, is it infantry or tank chertler yes, this is group training . as they say now, that is , two and a half to three months before you, this is

the training of a specialist, although the numbers may differ. situations there on the fields on the fronts because the army needs people, the army needs society, i understand a difficult question, well, it’s simple . maybe you have some kind of vision of the military , how to liberate the occupied territories. i mean crimea and the east of ukraine, and the occupied luhansk, donetsk region i mean not only what is the most optimal military path and, well, yes, the most optimal military path , but under the best conditions for us, well, look conceptually, there are three ways to solve

problems on well, on the return of our territory, yes, the first thing is political. yes, when they sit down, they agree on something. here is the second military option, well, army troops are breaking through the front lines, recapturing our territories, tank wedges, carpet bomb throwing , destroying enemy headquarters, destroying enemy offensive and defensive potential, destroying them defense-military-industrial complex, with or without help there from western partners , well, it is effective, by the way, it is very close to the important moment, which i will say a little later, the magic method, and this is the russians, well, they took it and tested it in their own, well, the magic method, well or the threat simply ceased to exist yes, because they simply stopped being bad yes well, of course, this

is the third humorous option exclusively ah , the problem is that as long as russia is our neighbor , it will be a constant danger for us, and our task in this war is not just there uh to recapture our territories there, to recapture our borders there, to restore the constitutional order there in all the territories that were captured there before that 8 years ago, yes, 9 years, yes , nine, that's the main goal - to neutralize the threat to us, and it cannot be achieved unfortunately, it seems to me that there is no other way than military to persuade the aggressor there to call him to peace and so on , it is not possible, it is impossible to solve the problems by political means, with that society, with that

association that we have in the east. yes, with russia it is impossible to resolve the issue with them politically, even considering what steps they were involved in there, taken before this , because politically, it was possible to negotiate with them earlier, as there were, what were the attempts before that, about the minsk agreements or something else the rest is in the budapest memorandum, well, are these mechanisms working? no, we need to eliminate their threat. well, that's why the complete destruction of their offensive potential of the military-industrial complex is neutralization of their threat to us , neutralization of both ground forces and of strategic forces, yes. that is, well, these are quite large-scale things, so it is the task of every ukrainian to join this common cause. well, because the war

will not leave anyone behind. well, this applies to everyone , people must understand. in mariupol. yes, you talked to the locals. well, in luhansk and donetsk, the situation is the same. well, maybe it’s not the same now. yes, these regions have been occupied for 9 years, and changes have already taken place at a very serious level there. yes, for 9 years of propaganda, the russians have done a very strong job. in order to brainwash our people, but these are ukrainians. well, someone may like it, someone may not like it, but then again , there are people who remember them, people who understand and people who tolerate and people who are waiting. here is the question, for example, about reintegration for example, in our occupied territories, where it rose, well, when we were in israel

, we said very interesting things. when we recapture these territories and they will be able to reintegrate these territories absolutely normally, that is, there will not be any violent plantings there. yes, give our propaganda on top of their propaganda. no , it will be exclusively horizontal. the human -to-human factor is because, well, ukrainians are built differently, so if there 10 years to shape the brains or 20 years to shape the brains of the population , demonize ukrainians, accuse us all of deadly sins well, it may have a certain result, but our task will also be multiply these results by zero. that's just to help people, that is, when you conditionally turn off skabeeva, yes, the button from the television. well, society is very fast. well, maybe not so quickly. i would

like to. which will be fast, even the results of a person are such a flexible thing , there are certain views, yes, and visions, they can change, especially when those people are in critical conditions, yes. if a person lives there for 10 years in an occupied area, for example, donetsk or we kyiv are all on er with the household level simply, well, nowhere lower, yes, uh, well, he lives simply, well, in starvation, well, they still say that someone is to blame for this and point the finger, then very quickly you can do it, well, just turning off the tv showed that the person the truth yes, and simply, well, give her what she deserves, yes, this is support, that’s help, and so on. well, that is, the truth is, this does not apply to, for example, open

collaborators and conscious supporters of the enemy. well, that’s why we also do not need to take words as e- let's imagine such witness pink ponies yes there that fly and so on no no no no no with the enemy you need to be merciless, well, just like they are with us, but with people who have become hostages well, we must treat them like people who have become hostages about politics, what kind of people are you do you see the society of the future, well, in general, a political one, i don’t know what kind of verkhovna rada you see. well, many military men will return from the front, they will be looking for themselves in civilian life . how do you see the political island of ukraine after the victory, let’s see, let’s focus better on victory well, really so. that is, well,