[000:00:00;00] i will never leave my city. well, here are two strips. strong peanut. i saw your house. well, you can fix it there, that is, i could put my hands on paul's door. it's not just an inviolability point or a storehouse in general. we try not to collect large locations. there was a large humanitarian headquarters and there were 18 parishes. there, two volunteers died there, now it is impossible to work there, that is why we work locally, on holiday weekends there, in the parks , the mines might not have been exploded, please, sweetie, i am asking you very much that people be careful, at the moment , garbage is being removed from the music school from the music school

before the tax and according to the schedule on the basis of such schools there is good purified water , please print ads and hang them at the city council so that people know that osmosis has been installed and there is purified water. we have the 16th well. maybe we can do something there. no, there is still a generator. it won't last. and if it's a mobile generator, it worked and the nodes are so well understood that he won't get on the car trailer, that she will get ready for the

holidays. there is no water in the intercity, guys, be careful. there is only one car left. it’s all pierced and shot. it works and one tractor is also already breathing . yes, 20 liters. sam’s demand , give me 20 liters. 20 liters of hessian . make me look beautiful in at least one movie su p today aha akadelki aha broken aha please turn on the tv so that the doctor is working well two lines are positive coronavirus somehow yes

well positive means sick with coronavirus well think about what i said, what will happen in the future in a specialized hospital, it is infectious and cannot be treated now, the virus is positive and in zaporizhzhia, let's take you out here . well, how bad will it be, and then, yes , you will come to us, we will take you out, good, good , we have the coronavirus. well, it was there all the time, you know, and not only in us, let's that means we have been destroyed by airstrikes just in the last week. we have four transformers. everything works , but not only on the generator. thanks to the volunteers , the drilling rig is here. the water will go directly to

the basement. there is food for the people. they said that in ukraine they will buy and move before waiting. that the water here is not very good, they decided to find and install a reverse osmosis system

, the pumps work, no, it is a sensor, it does not work, i understood

. such corners with two types . or maybe one like this , maybe another like this level. let's get together we're surviving patiently between the fact that our guys and we don't doubt it so later we're waiting come to the city council and they'll explain everything to you yes good morning what do you have here in the morning this person can come there to have coffee drink

tea drink some sandwich with "we have thermal pots to eat. look for information because there is no light. we were without televisions for quite a long time. well, we made such an ostrivets small island for psychological relief. in the last two months, people have returned home to this city from abroad. returned from central ukraine, because no matter where it is beautiful, people want to go home, and even if they destroy the city, as today and yesterday , we will negotiate with different countries , we concluded six memoranda, so this point of inviolability exists only due to the fact that volunteers are brought here, there is not a single state penny

from the local budget, today is the number of fatigue, tell me what kind of month we have, it's a terrible friday, april 14 , the city of orihiv, the point of invincibility, how is it happening in our country for the first time in our lives to bake these paskas on such a plait well, if we count that we of course they did

a trial baking yesterday. there is no god, today was a terrible friday, so today we decided to make such a trial batch for the first time , we didn't have a casting for a cook, we just immediately decided that it would be olha and olya , a railway worker olya, a volunteer, you don't know how she will arrange the plan this is how it will be shown here, guys, give a rebound or not, they will confirm something, or the borscht is drawn out, the borscht is drawn out for half-past 12 , people should already be eating for half an hour, but you see here, unfortunately, 2 minutes fly by, and no, wait until they say here, because there can to be back, this is a battle in the region, everyone, i emphasize once again that today we are baking easter for the first time, of course, the recipe came to us from our

great-grandmothers, because we also grew up in rural families. personally, the most important moment is to add all the necessary components to the dough in a bottle of cognac, but there are cherries, almonds, lemons, oranges, vasyl vasyliovych , there is no information about the wounded and killed, there is a sports car and a cheremushka, well, cheremushkas, i don’t know where, yes, maxim , how are you going to leave? wounded or something else good yes you can go up just now be careful honey yes you can go up to the dining

room ah ah ah spring i want beauty i want warmth and besides we have such girls here, all the girls are smiling and all that is, thanks to our girls who are here they are working, these flowers are brought by our residents, boys, our men, it’s probably not the last time, and there is kranya khata, hey, we’ll be there, and we’ll be there again, and the wing found one, air bombs ai-ai-ai

, so it had to come here and i was very worried about her house, we once helped her close it now located on the west in ukraine, we sometimes call me to talk, you all know, you can’t inspect my house there. i saw your house. well, you can fix it there . well, once the boys covered it with a tarp, and the second time they covered it with a tarp, it seems that everything is fine and now she will call and tell her what to say. and another. and where did he come from, where did they fly from, and the referral was from there? yes, there is already a private sector left here, there is nowhere, nothing, people lived, people just lived. well, i don’t

know meters here, probably 50. this and in the depths i am an assistant good day good day semeniv good luck. thank you for the wall. i also have a woman who is 92 years old, so i have to bring her everything home. give it back. 9 87 years old , 83 years old, 85 years old. that's how we

have people. from myself, i sat through all the beatings, the pressure was already normally offered, but i will never leave my city. we will never be stable. a strong nut is beautiful. just me, as it were addiction i know these people there, i know them, but they were in opposition to the government before the war, that is, she was in opposition to me at the sessions . what did she do and then the first day of the war, evacuation , evacuation, humanitarian, what are we doing, she

came like this and says mykolaivna if i don't interfere with you, i will help you, yes. if i don't annoy you, because we are now losing the most important thing that we have, we don't see where our grandchildren are growing up. this is our school, a gymnasium that was among the hundred best schools of ukraine . peace , they were just renovating the sports hall so that the cabins could accommodate 800 children

. well, now, nothing . it seems you'll never get used to this, well, somehow you don't react like that because we know how to fly well, of course, we're women , we can only fight it all with our own beauty , and

it's just such a strained smile in us. just the smell of peace ukrainians already know well that the war that russia is waging against us is not only taking place at the front, the hybrid aggression of the russian federation is unfolding at the same time on the battlefield and in the information space , while observing that the situation is worse for the russians on the fronts, the larger their information campaigns are becoming, this is the column accent my name is oleksiy fadeev and accent today we are engaged in an information war is it enough to win in ukraine by military means or will the russian propaganda machine stop after the liberation of all territories of ukraine and whether it is possible to get guarantees of information security well, we will talk about it as usual with our guests in the studio today, this is oleksandr solontay, an expert at the institute of political education and maksym dzhigun, a political analyst. i welcome you both gentlemen here. thank you for coming, and i would definitely plan to start with such a past year, on september 1 , oleksiy danilov, secretary of the nsdc, spoke in kyiv

. it was an international round table on countering disinformation in the context of hostilities, and he made a statement that resonated at the time and was generally resonant. i quote: ukraine won on the information front, which is no less important than the battlefield. do you agree with mr. danilov's statement that ukraine won on the information front, at least as of september 1 of last year? well , let me start. that ukraine , especially in the first months of the war, made enormous progress in countering the enemy on the information front, well , this is an obvious fact, the russians are known for using propaganda and their narratives, not one year or two, and this the machine appeared not in the 14th since the offensive on ukraine, nor in the 91st, and uh, the thing is that they are masters of this matter, that they use

a wide variety of tools, including uh, nlp, including other spheres of influence on public consciousness, this the fact is that ukraine was able to control its information space at least and not allow russian narratives to enter there so actively, this is already a huge achievement . worldwide, globally, as of last year, world institutions, for example, general ones, especially representatives of all the countries of the world, gather there, they need information before voting , what is happening in the country, and from this information , it is clear that they are on the side of ukraine, then there is an absolute majority of the countries there, 4/5 of the countries of the world , they say we understand that russia made a mistake, we condemn its military aggression, we generally demand from russia

to get out of ukraine, we are moving on that is, all firms are multinational companies and so on. they work there, yes, at the same time, any brand is there . i just want without advertising. yes , but we know that there are businesses that have understood how to do business with russia . for their business in the civilized world, it is true that if you take a global company , take there 1,000 companies from all over the world , the minority came out with russia. that is, we still need to finish work here, that is, at the level of the states , we achieved a vote of the state, almost all of them in favor ukraine there, with the exception of those who were directly bought by moscow, is it possible to write it down in the list there, the case for the victory of ukraine, yes, that is, about what maxim said, i want to support about what, when to say that we are winning on the information front, we can say that we won in the end, they won as a completed action. i use a simple example of a state and a company to show the difference. we still have a lot to do so that global companies leave russia. by the way

, in this context, it is not only about business. propaganda media such as krasha today or sputnik have been banned in most western countries, but in addition to these two large sites there are sixty smaller ones, i will talk because i would like to analyze today , including how russian propaganda works, well , at least what is called a large-milk summary i would like so that when we have danilov's statements from other countries, so that we have on october 1 and may 1 absolutely the first of september of this year, the supporters won once again, but at the end of march of this year, mr. danilov made such a statement, but a little different, he published an article under the heading of sowing despair in the victory of ukraine, moscow's new information campaign and in it specifically writes that now we are watching the deployment of one of the most powerful information companies in moscow starting from february 22, aimed primarily at the eu and the usa and the goal is to sow a desperate victory for ukraine in the west, as a result , according to the kremlin’s plan, we have to receive an undermining of military aid and force ukraine to

negotiate with putin, that is, crimea has not calmed down correctly. he says in what plan what is look, when they tried these traditional methods, one of them mentioned that they were just creating russian media , they were just creating massive russian television all over the world, they were shown the door . they are not going to calm down . well, to understand in reality how much the situation is. they buy the speeches of certain people with a certain reputation or take certain messages that they previously sowed through russian television and put in their mouths a long time ago bought from sellers or people who are ready to take for money to voice any thing and it is called sensationalism, so-called so-called so-called so-called so-called for some authoritative publications known in the world to find from other doors, it seems to me that despite the fact that we have created such a demonized image, russians who are limited who are stupid who don't know anything, well, that's not exactly the case, because they also learn from their mistakes and learn on the battlefield, exactly the same way and in

the information field, in fact, about what oleksandr says, that frantic efforts are being made now to come from the other side through lobbying structures through bribed journalists through opposition forces in various european countries where, by the way, there should be election companies in the united states where in some places this year where it will be in 2004 and actually through these are the tools to shake up the situation by trying to divide libra after all on their side, understanding that as of today well, we will look at the supply of weapons on the vote at the un to support ukraine in general, as global world players, they lose, but they do not give up trying and probably never will at least under putin to achieve their goals, at least in some minimal amounts, well, look, they allocated absolutely correctly what it looks like in financial money, practical actions , they allocated, for example, a couple of tens of billions of dollars, what are more serious amounts, the global allocations were budgets for television

and radio and for the work of russian information and cultural centers, yes , in russian, russian houses, and so on, they allocated them, they told them that licenses are canceled , channels are closed, russian houses are there, and so on, they apply and so on, a sum of money which they planned, now they are looking, yes, that is, it is not enough that they saved this amount on these things , they multiplied it, they increased it because of the war, they realized that it is so easy to take ukraine, and they multiplied it and began to enter from others, you know, then you find opposition structures and say what are you listening to, mom, we will help there with finances , resources, various connections for your business , favorable and so on, but your task is to criticize the authorities of your country, including for the fact that you are helping ukraine instead of , for example, such a narrative they sell instead of in order to force them somewhere, you understand, to sit down at the negotiating table, and we said, they do not say that we would like to oppose your aid to ukraine, they say others

, they say, wait, your taxpayers have the right to have the money that they pay there as taxes go to them oh, there are public services and so on and so on i am absolutely rational theses so absolutely rational and when even to tell them that well people say something wrong and you know you have a democracy you can have a different point of view you don't agree, tell me about it, it's true, a similar story to the one that i recently watched in the canadian media space when the wife of a russian oppositionist karamurze, who was recently sentenced there to the maximum term for the russian federation of 25 years for undermining state security, here is his wife coming to committees in the united states then began to tell canada that it is not the russian people who are to blame, but putin, so let's fight putin and not introduce against society sanctions because they simply became victims of propaganda in exactly the same way in foreign markets regarding their financial assistance

and don't you americans have enough problems and you europeans look now the consequences of covid, what are the prices of economic e-e, all the rest help with that, we will refocus yes, and look for some common points of contact, but the biggest loss was in russia, and this is the first barrier that will have to be endured the most and then it will be possible to submit all the following risks during which russia did this is what it tried to show that this is a purely ukrainian internal war, but at the same time, she declared, talked, wrote on tanks, rudely speaking , about berlin and so on, gave so many reasons to think about the fact that this is a serious war against the entire european continent, that this is a question of restoration and the scale was so big , they are here actions about the fact that the epidemic near kyiv then retreated near kyiv, that is, they took this thing out of a local conflict into a pan-european war, that is, the entire european union accepted, the entire european community

contributed, they quickly removed the lid on all that and they opened, burned, burned, slept absolutely, but they still burned it, it's really true, it's really true that this is a war against everything european , but they thought that they would pass ukraine so easily, that they announced it so quickly, and then often did not correct their information policy, and it turned out so that in europe, a huge number of our allies understand that it is not really about russia, ukraine anymore, it is about russia and the entire civilized world, and in this regard, russia definitely lost as of last year, but it she is trying to turn it back, she is putting her main efforts into trying to localize the conflict, now she noticed that they are very careful in any statements that concern any general european space , they do not emphasize that we will go to berlin somewhere or that they even poked the mouths of their speakers about going to berlin. they are trying more and more to say that this is just a post-soviet conflict, that this is a conflict, and this is even a thesis that they threw in through the ambassador

of china in france. they are trying that it is like the conflict of the post-soviet space that this is internal the presidential republics do not have subjectivity that the soviet union some kind of war is going on in the former soviet union they have to wean, roughly speaking, from this common european agenda and when you remember how it all began, look at what the speakers carried on russian television and around the world we talked, there was a feeling, i think, in every country of poland and germany and the czech republic and austria that we are talking about repeating the proposal to restore the restoration of the soviet union. please tell me in which another moment, and was there any moment that can be marked as europe, perhaps not all of it, but many in europe in the states woke up, the demonstration of the buchan tragedy was the second stage. the first stage is when the russian troops entered and showed the world media that in ukraine they had begun a reconstitution mida po - for the first time in the world, they did not get into their heads in the informational picture what such a thing could be, and in this regard, very clearly. all these clearly showed the difference between us, the world, and

russia, for russia, which survived to erase grozny , just erase, well, destroy an entire nation of ochkeria to make him work russia, which entered syria and for years in syria destroyed the population , houses, cities were destroyed in the donbas, what did they do, the bombings, the carpet bombing , the crimes they committed in the donbas lowered their level of understanding in general of how the civilized world will perceive everything they do in ukraine in terms of information but they tried to turn that case over, they tried to make it seem like it was a fake, it's a troupe - these are actors , do you remember that was also an extremely popular truth, a fake that is completely implausible as a fake, that's average life which is happening because they did not lead to anything . the fact is that it seems to me that at the moment when the tragedy occurred there in bucha irpen and other cities around the kyiv region, which had been liberated by that moment, in principle , the ukrainian authorities were more capable of an agreement with russia, in fact, some solutions were being prepared

, at least for freezing of the conflict, do you remember what kind of rhetoric there was that we can partially refuse to join nato? we are ready for other security guarantees, that is , such theses were accepted. yes, ukraine was ready to make some kind of compromise. but exactly casebook, he crossed out any previous agreements in general and made them simply impossible , we actually talk about what oleksandr really says, that with the help of all their previous crimes and the beast they committed, they simply weaned themselves from the fact that society can sharply react to such crimes of theirs because the world is not russia, where state television can block any information source and make people silent , the world works in a different way and great praise. they covered the events here from the first day and showed them to the free world roughly speaking when yes absolutely true, for example the assistant of your colleagues in mariupol who passed on says you understand what is happening there in buch and russia is trying to insinuate that this type is not entirely true that it is some kind of production and so on in