[000:00:00;00] do you remember the rhetoric that we can partially refuse to join nato? we are ready for other security guarantees , that is, such theses have been accepted. yes, ukraine was ready to make some kind of compromise. made them simply impossible, we actually talk about what oleksandr says, that with the help of all their previous crimes and the beasts they committed, they simply weaned themselves from the fact that society can react sharply to such crimes of theirs because the world is not russia where state television can block any informational excuse and force people to be silent, the world works in a different way and great praise. by the way, the international media, which, despite the threat to themselves and their health , covered the events here from the first day and showed them to the free world. well, roughly speaking when, yes, absolutely true, for example, the assistant press of your colleagues in mariupol who transmitted says, do you understand what is happening there in buchi, and russia is trying to insinuate that this type is not entirely true, that it is some kind of production, and so on, and in

this one they transmit footage that is online right now is happening in mariupol in the same ukraine yes, and in parallel with international journalism yevgeny bbc and so on went to e kharkiv and show what is happening in saltivka and this is all happening at the same time, you know, you can tell a hundred times that something is wrong in buch during the cancellation and journalists together with the troops are moving to the border and see what is happening, roughly speaking, you are in the former ivankiv district, yes, that is, they go further , they go to ivankiv, they look at what happened in chernihiv, they go further what happened in sumy well, that is, you in germany communities for the sake of fairness my colleagues also worked online everything i understand is wrong in the world uh we got caught by the way your colleagues very often did the work for these many to be honest yes yes it was very often they did all the uh raw materials absolutely media made the product absolutely to be honest, but you, we asked why in the world this happened because the world media made it into

the world brands subscribed to it , they checked it, they saw that it was true, and people in the world who are used to living without war and with the opinion that it is possible that we will not repeat the second world war and that every new war in the new world is perceived as a huge misunderstanding of why this war is happening at all. we saw the scale of it. by the way, in the context of mariupol, there are also photo reports that you remember as our defenders of mariupol launched live broadcasts with access to stalinka or other means of communication and told live how they are actually defending a completely occupied territory with a small island of freedom and ukrainian statehood. i think that this case is he is just another confirmation of the fact that the mass publicity and scaling of the problem and the scaling of the grief that is happening in ukraine played a key role because the people and the outsiders looked at it as just a live show of which

they could not see it in any other way, in any case, then i want to simplify, but in terms of information, it will be very clear to everyone, yes, russia miscalculated in speed, they thought it would be very fast . well, three days, kyiv was already three days, and so on they are a lot of nonsense for a day and three days three months and so on but the key thing is because if you take to abstract from the invasion of butch and so on in general they fell why did they lose the first stage of the information war because they thought it's a quick story in this quick story pictures change events change and so on and so on well there was a story in ukraine well, somehow it turned around and it happened that it was a long time and in the modern xxi century it means a live war so because when everyone has the internet, there is a grandmother who sees the russian column through her the period, in fact, ukrainians got their bearings quickly, and ukrainians are an information society, we are an information society , that is, we have preserved the information space in ukraine , we have problems there, we can discuss but in fact , we have preserved information, we have the internet , a mobile phone, i have television, we have

telegrams, we have websites, we have editorial offices, we have our local media there we have certain rehearsals at the national level but in essence we remained an information society , we introduced ours well we have a limited kobylyansk hour we have self-censorship that we do not show the ukrainian military a lot of things, we regulated a lot of things in the laws, but we did not clamp down on the ukrainians, that is, in fact, to a large extent on us. there are even certain media that exploded even in ukraine, the world media, we launched all of them. i do not know of a single case where some world media having a normal status was refused accreditation , it was overcrowded with that mother. and what happened is now. they still live, i understand, well, now i live. they show that crimes are going on in kherson right now, the russians are doing what in zaporizhzhia and so on. and this is all supported, but it turned out that this is a war on live air, war on live air in the long form.

live broadcast and how you still say that world media journalists live in kyiv, live and live in the region that demonstrate what is happening, the problem is that as a pr person i can say that any informational excuse has an expiration date and interest that the most important thing to confirm as a political scientist, experts also know this is that in ukraine even more than a year after the start of the war, it still remains so from the side of the world war, there were journalists, the columns of foreign media come out with ukrainian photos from ukrainian reporters, foreign reporters, this is once again evidence of that information started a separate tab on ukraine websites yes, and let's say right away, the voice of america decided to make a regional center here, if i'm not mistaken , the new york times also plans to form its headquarters here, which will be eastern european events to cover from the kyiv editorial office and all the news releases on the leading channels starting with ukraine tell me. this means that the topic is absolutely top and it is in general some kind of

paradoxical story that we have probably seen in other wars, but the fact that ukraine can, after such a long time, retain interest to herself, who knows how to convince partners not only in information support, but also in military and financial support, this is also a huge advantage of ours, which the russians cannot boast of , because there, by the way, if you look at the ratings propagandist shows, they have decreased significantly today, people watch them because they love him, what kind of program does he have, it's good that we don't remember it anymore, or some other entertaining things , but the scabies nightingale, there are others who are not propagandists, they already stay in the backyard and they used to be in the background rather than the main topic for the russians a-a please tell me i completely agree with you about the live war but why didn't it work in 14 well firstly because there was no scale of a large-scale well like the size of it

it was easy to pass it off as a regional one. there was something incomprehensible about the fact that the invasion began at the same time as people were being shot here on the maidan. do you understand what the world media is showing about ukraine? yes , people are being shot here, we have a tragedy here, and they are in this moment the little green men politely enter the other information period well, first of all, this is a completely different start, a completely new scale and that is, this is crimea at this moment in the donbass, so -called little men are happening, that is, not piece by piece , the second moment are we from the very beginning roughly speaking, russian troops are coming in. we are fighting back and shooting at us from the very first day . yanukovych and various russian agents who headed the sbu counterintelligence of the ministry of defense, russian citizens and the fsb, who together with yanukovych evacuated to the russian disunited, unchristianized, uncoordinated, etc. so on. euromaidan politicians come in and try to institutionalize the processes as such more or less in general, and the large-scale invasion of that scale

continues, well, at this moment they are taking over our the military, but you mentioned mariupol, the special services are absent, they are absent, but then the defense was there, and our colleagues there, my two colleagues, ruslan smyschuk , serhiy dubinin’s brother, they were there in the daba and they were broadcasting the picture there, i don’t know anymore they were somehow transmitted from there, but these shots still did not excite the world as much as later , don’t tell, don’t tell. we may not always have been in the world media when we were in the world media on the sand, news did not start from us, but a lot of euronews , bbc and so on started from ukraine, when we were defending ourselves, the world respected us very much then , covered information , showed information, i think that after all reasons why the picture was somewhat different then, it consists of three points, the first - this is really the scale that

took place, that is, in the 14th year, fortunately , there was no offensive from a dozen regions of ukraine and which quickly reached the capital and european in fact, secondly, it is mass public resistance, when not thousands, not tens of thousands of soldiers, but every citizen tried to stop russian tanks with their hands, and these personnel flew around the world. and it was precisely on this that we were able to build ukrainian e-e positioning , ukrainian main quality today, courage , ukraine is the main exporter courage in the world and this is a huge achievement on top of the hill and the drama that the war brought us is a huge our social achievement and the third reason, i think it is because the europeans and in general, our partners , they felt that the war was approaching them because the crimea and donbass were quite far from them and they did not feel a threat to themselves .

you see, as they said today, the world has ceased to be in shades of gray, because since the 14th year, russia has massively tried to sell the world this concept that everything is not so clear, including its efforts and lobbying and corruption, all the rest in order to to say that this is really an intra-ukrainian conflict - this is a civil war, but now it was not possible to do this because the regular russian army was advancing, that putin had previously sanctified this war and said that he would advance and many other processes took place that actually left no other way out for the world than to support ukraine and throw all our informational efforts , including to support our the first one is about the fact that he really then used, as it were, intermediate filters, little green men, who later turned out to be his dnr lnr, yes, it corresponded to the type, not ours, but the dnr of the lnr type with us, and here directly, that is, directly, he directly

shows this is the world of a very strong well and so on and so on and so on the second point is that the world has also accepted that this is a violation of agreements by the world after minsk one minsk 2 attempts to convince that we can here nord stream nord stream two and so on they had the feeling that they too agreement they the other side agreed. they are also the ones who are the guarantors, and here putin is breaking the agreements with us. okay, but with them too, and they covered it in a completely different way. well, come on. one more important aspect, eh, which is not an information war in itself, but i would say that he is somewhere there at the junction, somewhere between the hot war, real and informational. i am sure that it will be now. what are the others talking about, so i will insert it now. i'm sorry, what is really, what is not allowed at the junction, you will be convinced, uh, at the junction, too, but directly on the information wave had an impact when millions of ukrainians became refugees and all over the world, in addition to going for material aid , they went to the squares and showed on the streets that we

are here, on the one hand it is not informational because it is a direct action, and on the other hand, it also showed the scale with shots millions of this did not happen in 2000, in 2014-15, so that massive numbers of people from donetsk, luhansk, crimea, moved around the world. in that territory for years, a huge number of people had hopes that the crimea, donetsk, and luhansk would be de-occupied, now people were forced to flee all over the world , they went all over the world in big cities, they went out into the streets, they showed pictures, and perhaps this is one of the means how can we win at the next stages, because then people had to solve their everyday problems abroad , people had to adapt to things , now more or less part has returned to ukraine or adapted there, they already have to earn money there to help us win here, and on the other hand , they have to do work there, they have to be informationally participants in this work, it’s not directly they are the media, but

i remind you that in today’s world, every person with a smartphone is absolutely the media exactly the thesis, but in fact i am talking about another ah about another type, even whiskey, if i could say it absolutely, it is from cyber warfare, yes, cyber cyborg, military, military operations , russian hackers. yesterday, while preparing for the program, i just crawled and scored in google the largest there are ten of the strongest hacker groups and dozens of them there provided me this is an open source of nord and pian there is such a company and so on they make ratings out of these 10 three were accurately written what are russians associated with russia at least accurately and google recently on february 17 of this year published a report on the activities of hackers by folk ofor fog of war, and it specifically stated that there is a direct connection between military information and cyber attacks on enemies, which corresponds to the acceptance and er in rap

of the concept of hybrid warfare, five hacker of groups, sorry, that was not google, now google is quoting it, and attacks on ukraine and nato countries are carried out by five hacker groups associated with the russian government, and since the beginning of the great war, the number of attacks on ukrainian users has increased by 3.5 times on users in countries nato by four times, that is, russian cyber troops through the internet threaten not only ukraine, they also threaten nato countries, moreover, their activity is not just propaganda, it is an activity that is purposefully directed to cause harm and what am i leading this logic to has completely become transparent since october of last year, when the enemy began to attack our energy infrastructure with missiles, the fact is that the replacement was that before the missile attacks there were hacker attacks

on the same ukrainian energy sector , that is, hackers and missile forces of the russian federation will not say a word, the federation acted together as a single weapon or army, the question is whether it is necessary or the time has come to ask the question that russian propaganda is the same weapon well, it just looks different, well, it certainly seems to me that both the reason and and the very fact of this let's say the big war, as we call it, and since february 24. it took place not least because of the development of russian society , if there was not such a level of support for russia's military actions against ukraine, then obviously putin would not have dared to do this, we know that putin is a man who loves life extremely much who hides in bunkers who wants to survive at any cost if he understood that an attack on ukraine could bring him direct danger, he simply would not have dared to do it, but we understand from the other side that putin has been planning this operation for years and this is actually

the main thing in his life, now he went to a-bank and he left . it is because of the fact that society supports him globally. the holy war that i have created for you, my dear citizens, go and fight, and they are leaving en masse abroad according to various estimates, from six hundred to a million male russians left russia and after the announcement of the first wave of mobilization therefore this confirms the fact from on the one hand, about the fact that putin was preparing in advance for the war through information operations, on the other hand, about the fact that in this way, let's say, his community weightlifters, he was counting on their support, but he absolutely did not receive it, this is a wonder for him, but this is a fact that we are dealing with well, that is, propaganda is part of at least if not weapons, then some kind of aggressive efforts. let's say aggressive policies and yes. well, surely something needs to be done about this. and the fact is that you and i said at the beginning of the conversation that

sometimes russian is russian propaganda is served under the sauce of a different point of view to a democratic society. does this mean that a democratic society as it is is completely defenseless against such a stream of propaganda? well, it has long been known that democracy is a very bad form , it has lost the best, there is nothing, there is no money, you understand how it works in democracy that really , on the one hand, it is as if there are two at least 3.5 points of view, and it turns out that there are always spies and salesmen. agents can persuade someone to throw in certain things, to dissolve, to duck their foreheads and so on, throw into the information space what is untrue due to the fact that there is an imbalance of opinions, and on the other hand, if there is an authoritarian regime or a dictatorship, then how will it turn out that i bought one of them, and there is no other alternative opinion, and you can’t correct the mistake, and we see, by the way, how it is it is interesting in the world, the more democratic a country is, the more likely it is that they have understood the situation in ukraine, if you take the top democratic countries where there is a developed economy and human rights, that is

, people feel everything is normal. how from the point of view materially and from the point of view of being free to behave and so on, the more democratic the country, the greater the level of support for ukraine , that is, despite the fact that democracy is really there in all these countries, russians have embassies, consulates, russian citizens , agents everywhere. they are looking for the opportunity to bribe the opposition, opinion leaders, bloggers of popular show stars, journalists, including whether or not the arguments are valid, but just insults, yes, well, that is, they enter in different ways, starting there but nevertheless, we see that the more developed a democratic country is, the greater the level of support for ukraine and the greater the level of condemnation of russian aggression, and the more they leave russian companies . it would be better if it allows you to figure it out, figure it out. what is true about the lie of the availability of information in the event

of this war, then we can say that well, in belarus , they are authoritarian and they seem to have an agenda it is clear that they are on the side of russia and they support the invasion at least at the level of the state, and what is special about the individual here is that in order to reach an agreement with an authoritarian regime, it is enough to talk to one person with the leader, and if there is an agreement with him, then it will be released on the media and they will show all this in the right way. if we talk about agreements with democratic societies, then it is necessary to negotiate with each person separately with each citizen. this is completely unrealistic, therefore, at the expense of what is the pluralism of myths is due to the fact that there are different positions . but at the same time, in this position, they are constructive, they are verified by facts, and , for example, in european states, western societies, they have a fairly developed system of fact-checking; they have the responsibility of the media for what they do and actually, an interesting example from the united states , we know that recently he is an american propagandist, i am not afraid to call him that , carlson, who worked for years at foxtrot, was

deprived of his position, why was he deprived of his position, because the democratic society in what can be the position of another media such as fox news, which has always made quite controversial statements, they received an insane fine for spreading falsehood and propaganda, and after paying it, they realized that the path we did not follow with similar propagandists who threw in pro-russian narratives is definitely not their situation. this absolutely well, i agree with your theses. you are not against each other, and so am i. ukraine is a democratic country, that's for sure , have we dealt with this or have we built at least fuses this year, and most importantly when we reach the borders of 1991, what will mean for us , well, at least an interim victory, we will be able to protect ourselves from russian propaganda, and look, for me personally, ukraine is a country that will be a democratic country or a country on the way to

hockey democracy, i always say that so what, on constitution day , we will have it there soon, er, in june, let's talk , you point out that ukraine is a democratic country , so write one implementation of many laws , many laws are needed, that is, in fact, first of all, it is necessary to understand that really, the more democratic we are, the more decentralized we are, self-governing, self-organized civil society, freedom of speech, human rights, the more democratic we are in this regard, how to open societies, the easier it really will be for us to figure it out, as proven by other countries , it is clear that we need to reach the end of this second path the moment when we reach it in parallel we need to defend ourselves in parallel we need to understand some restrictions during martial law there may be certain restrictions in place they may have for example, it is difficult for me to understand why there is a curfew. roughly speaking, transcarpathia has proven that this restriction is unnecessary in the west of ukraine. there is no

curfew in transcarpathia and everything seems to be normal and so on. for example, this restriction can be discussed, but it is absolutely clear to me. for example, why there was a restriction when russian troops the troops came to kyiv when the curfew was for several days and it is absolutely clear to me why this curfew should be in all the front-line areas example, i.e. certain restrictions of democracy, spread of information and so on, they are absolutely logical, we have already mentioned self-censorship when we ourselves understand that this should not be photographed and shown, when we ourselves understand that some things must be voiced and so on, that is, first of all, our democratic culture when we yes , what is a democratic culture, how will we be one much defense of any russian propaganda, all kinds of fake attempts to dissolve us , tell us lies and so on democratically, they will lead this attempt meet the time, they will lead during the time because propaganda is one of the tools, for example, russia sets itself the task within the current propaganda within ukraine

to convince the ukrainians that we do not need the release of everyone to the occupied territories, that we do not need complete de-occupation, we have many ukrainians who they tell us that our space is known, yes, our space is our freedom , our independent ukraine. yes, we also have ukrainians who say that stop stop stop well, since you were the first to start, we will remember who founded moscow or akubanko, like you, slobozhansk half of ukraine was stolen from us, that is, we also have such ukrainians, but the majority of ukrainians are united as those who mention the kuban and the green wedge to vladivostok, starting with these ukrainians and ending with those ukrainians who are debating whether or not to go there to the end to take the military there aggression is discussed there, crimea there are some things, but because the question is about victims, about the price of our human losses, but all of us, regardless of who's opinion, is united by the opinion about what about the fact that, in principle, there are 27

regions, including sevastopol, donetsk and for us, the desired option is the end of the world of war and the beginning of peace. this is our ukraine, the whole of our independence, so that we recognize it , including our enemies that there will be no more war, this is a very nice thesis for us , and the enemy is trying to shake us even in this thesis. has been trying to shake it since 2014, it is just especially strengthened against the background of information that ukrainian soldiers who actually broke into the information front always in the world that ukrainian soldiers are preparing to liberate a number of our villages and towns and they are trying to convince you that you don't need that, ukrainians, so that it's not worth it, what's possible, it's global, their opinion was that we ukrainians shouldn't defend ukraine, but it's global, what 's the special information operation of the propagandist , what's the point in the final, what would they want to achieve, they'd like to break our what will not be the same as it was before the start of the war, we were somewhat naive we could quarrel over some very minor things , it seems that now this story has become completely out of time and we have grown up

globally and how we were able to unite in the critical moment is this feeling and this confidence, it should keep us warm in the future , will russia cease to be a threat to us in terms of information after the end of this war? i am sure that it will not cease to be a threat to us when we have to ensure our security, we are not far from it somewhere to look for and invent a new bicycle , let's look at the experience of post-war germany, where nazifization took place globally 20 years after the end of the war and took place when a new generation of germans was born , which began to ask their grandparents and to the parents, it is true that they killed foreign citizens in order to achieve some of their e-e goals and ideological ones. and i believe that it will definitely be the same with russia . therefore, it is a threat to us for years , regardless of what it will be like will disintegrate into other states or will putin's regime fall or will one of the successors of the current liberals come there or will it be a completely

different form of government, but what we have to think about today is how to counter them and how to form some kind of patronage over russia or dereshivize these russians remains an open question, but there is no doubt that there will be a lot of work, gentlemen, i thank you for the conversation, the time is over, but it was very pleasant, and secondly , i hope that well, i don't know how to syphilize the gegarasifika, that's what we should do with them, but i i definitely think that we will live, god willing, to the moment when ukrainian propaganda will be carried out on russia by broadcasting on the channels of our neighbors, and there are real democratic world civilizational values , please, in the military plan, we must remember that there are military civilians among us the rules of mutual life, and in the information front, all of us are soldiers, absolutely all of us are participants in the information front, all citizens of ukraine and all civilized people, exactly . with this, i propose to end today's conversation and remind you that we are visiting about

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