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[000:00:00;00] our counteroffensive ago well, everyone believes that it should take place in such a way that we are almost on our own. we advise that russia is now moving to defensive actions, that is, they will begin to build fortresses and rearrange their troops specifically for defensive actions, they will already have several linear defenses there, that is, well yes, it is a fact that it will be a defense that will be very difficult to overcome, but all the same it is, well, certain certain obstacles on our way to the east , so you know. partners, well, we are not getting what the main expected, well, on the other hand, our same political leaders said that no one knows about it, the united states, well , it is largely given. normally, how exactly will our offensive actions take place
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, so if you do not know how did we plan to go with this offensive? how can we judge whether it went well or not ? we planned to advance not a very long distance because it is impossible to decide with an offensive strike the outcome of the war. this must be the next strike. there should be further offensive actions because well, here it is a little strange situation that the concern is because we will not achieve the goal, we will achieve a certain goal, the russians are in a panic , they have full demoralization going on inside their troops, they are very afraid of our offensive actions, they understand what weapons we have, what we have a specialty. what kind of specialty do we have? well, and so on . that is, well, i don’t know any, any promotion, it will be successful. moreover, it is difficult to evaluate when you do not know what results a company should have obtained. how to evaluate the result, it was successful
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was it not successful well, that's why there's such a thing here, well, it was a little contradictory well, our situation we have two goals, as a rule, when they talk about this future super-offensive - this is the first - it is to liberate all ukrainian territories or it is sometimes formulated or it also sounded from from the mouths of the representatives of our government, well, sometimes they can say something like that, well, you know, well, they just said it because something emotional was expressed, you can even not scold them for it , we are not able to liberate all our territories with this counterattack, well, it is simply impossible 1,300 km of the front line, we simply do not have that many forces and means. if we advance along the entire front line, it will be certain directions that 3-5 people know, i told you, danylo . well, it is desirable that we really go out. so, what everyone wants us to do is preservation of the sea of azov, the crimean group was cut off from land supplies from the russian federation so that only the crimean bridge would be completed, which is also not eternal, so you know. come on , what is happening now on the front line
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, our army intelligence is already being conducted intelligence by combat, well, our special operations forces, certain scouts of other other structures, they are not 3-5 km away, they are 23 km inside the front line and we are preparing, we are probing where exactly they have weak points , how ready they are and where and where where to direct our main the strength of that well, we will be successful, but well, once again well, how deep can we advance well, let's see and we will let 's not have these expectations. tv channels well, there are other tv channels that often sounded about the fact that up to moscow and even further, the crimea will already be completely conquered by us, we will go there, we will drive out all the russians
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. well, actually, we here know all these tv channels , what will they say when we we will advance we will do some very successful offensive actions there people should be rewarded people should receive thanks for what they did they will be early they will not be killed that is we we will we are preparing for this a lot and those tv channels that said that to moscow yes, everything reached moscow it's bad, you know, it will demotivate our armed forces, that's why i think that all the tv channels, what kind of pathetic things they say , they will have to either shut down or just say, i'm sorry, you know, we just overheated the situation a little bit. thank you to our armed forces, because and and otherwise, a situation will arise in which it will be necessary, with successful offensive actions, to create our armed forces, which
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did not come well, did not go there, well, you know that. on the information front, we need to do well, we should move no less cautiously than on the front line, believe in doing what we can, what is in our power, the beauty there said that after the 10th, maybe they will withdraw the troops from bahmut, we don't know if it will be like that, and a yesterday, his statement that bakhmut is not very important and strategically important, he is not important because they have already opened all the roads to kramatorsk slavyansk and therefore maybe even they will not release him to the end , so to speak there was more something to say to him because it was strategic, it was a victory under bakhmut, it was almost a victory in the whole war, they were able to advance somewhere in 20 or there almost 20 times , they set a deadline for when they should capture it, then they changed the rhetoric, they said before the beginning of our contrast because
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there they changed the rhetoric again until may 9 and so on . now, well, it is still possible to say that he understands that it will not be possible to capture bakhmut completely , because he cannot and will not succeed, and there is less with jesus, the means are becoming less, therefore their power weakens well, now he says that this is the topic at all and we didn't want it. well, you know such a childish excuse . well, why did he say something like that ? god is with him, he says what he wants. what would it be like to analyze his statements? well, who is such a beauty? pavlenko is armed. the strength of the russian federation, the regular army, there is a large number of commanders, e.e. brigades, regiments, and of larger groups and beauties , there are three, five to seven thousand people left. well, there are about five, this is a small unit, and there is so much talk about it, as if it is some kind of big that would let him talk to himself there with the cadre he says to each other there they talk to each other there they agree who is there to sell what to whom i think we need to raise a lot of waves and
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help him in the media simply spread the hallway well it's not really necessary bethei let him untie the consonant let him talk to himself. i'm asking you. well, then other russian politicians were members of the state duma , in particular, he was putin's confidant and his adviser. this is sergey markov, who, in an interview, recently i listened to explain why the war-winning war did not work out. and he and me i was actually quite impressed, as if he said openness, and that is, he says, for example, that the whole war is in the bottom, as if it is even criminally prosecuted, he says well, this is not his for a long time. well, let's admit that the enemy is equal to us, we can't just go, because
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he responds with missiles, responds with artillery , we will cause losses, he says and then he thinks about a nuclear war, what does he say, we just threatened so that no one is everywhere military well, let's go to ukraine, but after that they explained to us that if we do it, he will continue to list all these stories , that is, he says that our troops will then destroy ukraine. there and a and v- they will throw us out of the un security council and they will start total sanctions against us all over the world. well, that's why we had to retreat. well, but me, that is, that's what he says , and it's not.
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is happening, well, the methods have changed, they are already starting to say that well, well, they stopped saying that our counteroffensive will not succeed , they stopped saying that it is a weak army , and so on. then they were driven out of the crimea well, in short, a successful counteroffensive and they will continue to say how are you, how did it happen, and about what the stamps said about the black sea fleet and other cities where the donation will be made, well, that is, he is the first russian who said this because before that this information was relatively open information circulating on the internet that when the director of the cia came to russia that in that year and he said directly a conversation about what exactly will happen to russia if they use nuclear weapons, there was just a point that the black sea fleet would be destroyed first of all
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well, there was another point that putin would be destroyed , he doesn’t have any, sorry, bunkers, he didn’t they will save me, well, you see, i have already started to write and say well, this is not bad, they are beginning to understand and prepare their society for the fact that, well, let’s not be very good. a reserve in the national guard of ukraine and a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war were on our air, they talked a little about the general situation at the front. the ninth of may and about all these symbols of the great victory and everything else since i will report the information that informs the operational command of the south that russia has withdrawn 12 warships, not that they have withdrawn and keeps in the black sea, among them there are four carriers of cruise missiles, the caliber of the general hall with those calibers can be 32 cruise missiles, so it is possible
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only possible that this preparation is also until may 8 , for example, which ukraine considers the main day for remembering the second world war. well, in russia , this is a bone in the throat of their of the imperial myth may 9 ago, we are waiting for surprises i would say you know something i shared, er, may 8 , the day of remembrance and reconciliation is may 9, well, it should be called that in their language, may 9 so , vasyl pavlov, military historian, head of the public organization, the center of the military of history and ihor bihun, editor of the historical truth publication, we are in touch. good morning, gentlemen. thank you for joining our broadcast. as a matter of fact, you know , we still have to get to the ninth, although this is also related to us . andriy and i were just remembering our family today. - mother, after all, again, why do i speak russian? because it is necessary to call something that was russian soviet
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, as it is called in the original, do not translate it into motherland. mother and andriy pointed out that this monument cannot stand. he does not know their monument they travel and they will simply change the soviet ukrainian coat of arms on it, and in this way this monument will change its sound, its meaning, its symbolism, one of the lines wrote that she likes to watch espresso very much, she likes to watch our broadcasts, but it infuriates her, they say it is a very subjective opinion be more careful in your statements , here is a real question for you as a historian, will the sound of the family change to the mother? republic. well, just to explain this symbol in principle. is it a monument
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of the totalitarian era or are there any analogues in this monument? well, just start here, it is a purely objective approach, we will simply evaluate this monument as such, if it can be called to call a dog of ukraine a monument is what they are trying to present to ukrainians in the ministry of culture, vasyl , let's start with you, you understand me as a kyivan, this monument is actually in my mind, it is my life, when this monument was built when he was it was opened to me six years ago, in principle, i still see this monument later that i violated it. if we talk about the monument itself, or more precisely , the sculpture that is part of the memorial complex, then it fits into it
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quite organically, but it is completely the bearer of soviet narratives, eh, everything that is put into it is soviet ideology, the soviet soviet understanding, eh, the great patriotic let's say here, eh, frankly, this is not an understanding of the second world war, eh, he is eh, a component of those narratives that are there there is also a monument to the battle of the dnieper, this is also an epic fire - this is also a huge gallery of several metal pavlo , which contains the main mythological plots of the soviet union about the great patriotic war, but from of the beginning of the full-scale russian aggression, part of the artists, part of civil society began to interpret it as the opposite , as a defense of ukraine, not paying attention to that
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symbolism, not paying attention to those meanings , relying on the fact that it is standing on the shore dnipro and it is actually turned to face moscow, and if you look at the composition, it actually hints at where the threat might come from, well, in principle, let's assume it's possible, it's really a matter of working with meanings, will the perception of this monument change with the change the coat of arms is not for me personally, it is possible for the youth, because now, let's say, they are trying to integrate it quite successfully into mass culture, let's say, in the youth, some kind of puzzles, where exactly is it like a species
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some kind of romanticization of kyiv in blue and yellow colors. and the youth, in fact, associate the youth precisely, that is, the very first perception of kyiv - it stands here is this family-mother, and there is further on, somewhere there, this kiev-pechersk lavra and everything else is so secondary and it is in a lot of it now everywhere on all kinds of in the layouts of all kinds of stores, that is why it is necessary to work with meanings here, and to work with meanings in our country, by and large, there is no one in the country who has separate variations and separate ideas, there are separate authors , but i can say that we have some kind of coherent narrative - well, i can't because we are with it literally two days ago, they met when the regular meeting of the working group on the concept of historical education in ukraine was held, and as always there, the second world war emerged as such a cornerstone, and a very large number of discussions were
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centered around this and this monument. another element, because let's not forget that these myths are quite powerful, and as you have already given the example of your viewer, on the contrary, they do not even perceive threats from this, on the contrary, they count on the fact that it is possible implant-implement it is possible to er use er hacha well, in my personal opinion it would be better to er dismantle it and it should have been done a very, very long time ago but this is my personal opinion ma'am let's continue this discussion what to do with those monuments, is it possible to simply replace them by simply changing them, well, that is, then i have a counter-question : the monument has not yet been dismantled, it is ours to dismantle it in
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principle. i don't know who yevhen konovalts is for, for example why note uh, i want to say here that after all, we have a certain uh, well , a certain procedure of action, which is determined by the law on the condemnation of nazi communist totalitarian regimes, there is a definition of that what is a soviet symbol ? and what is it? in our case, this is actually the armed aggression of the soviet union of russia against the ukrainian people's republic, and accordingly he was not an actor there. besides, what he did was not
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an actor who made any contribution to the development of ukrainian culture of the ukrainian language, and so on, a purely military figure who took part in armed aggression, respectively according to the norms of the law, the monument to him is subject to dismantling , on the other hand, in the same law , it is stated in us that there are monuments with the names of streets with other names related to people who participated in the resistance movement during of the second world war or in the expulsion of the nazi invaders from ukraine, they are not considered symbols of the communist totalitarian regime and, accordingly, they are not subject to renaming or dismantling , accordingly, based on these provisions of the law, we need to evaluate all these monuments and treat them
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, that is, the monuments are related to the second world war. well, they are not necessarily subject to installation , and in principle, if you think about it logically, then why dismantle them, because it is ukraine anyway took part in the second world war, ukrainians fought and died, ukraine lost 8 to 10 million e-e of its population, both military and civilian. well, accordingly , in my opinion, we have no right to forget at all what kind of war it was and at what cost ukraine passed through it. i just have two questions. first of all, do you think that the memory of cheksir is one of the best, if it is about him , that it is one of the best equestrian , that is, monuments, that is, the horse is somehow
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impeccably well made there in me then contr proposal okay, let's dismantle shchors, let's leave a monument to the horse on it, let's put konovaltsy on it again. okay, well, for example, i'm of course reducing it to the absurd now, but i'll continue. are we not making a mistake in this case, which, in my opinion, polish historians often fall into? when they say that ukraine, for example, carried out some mass and so on, because the ukrainian insurgent army, but the ukrainian insurgent army did not present until the end any ukrainian state, and that is why when you say that ukraine participated in the second world war, is this not a big exaggeration? did ukraine participate in the second world war precisely as a state, as a sovereign state, or were there any decisions that can be called a decision of a sovereign state of a sovereign government to participate in this war, and so on? i think that this is a very big exaggeration. we only had the facts about the declaration of statehood in
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lviv. well, in principle, this is probably all . well , and transcarpathian ukraine. family-mother or am i wrong that it does not come down exclusively to formal statehood because well, we have a formally proclaimed statehood - the ukrainian people's republic and there well , the ukrainian state is yaroslav stetsky under the leadership of yaroslav stetsky and independent ukraine in the 91st year and if you approach it like that, someone will say yes, your country did not even exist until the 20th century. yes, yes, but ukraine and ukrainians existed long before the 91st year and long before the 20th century. accordingly, we actually proceed
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from the existence of ukrainians as a nation and well, accordingly, the ukrainian nation was a participant in the second world war in any case on various fronts in the ranks of the red army in the ranks of other countries of the anti-hitler coalition well, unfortunately , part of the nazi citizens did participate ukraine, the ukrainian nation as a political community as a community of citizens is it we can only talk about the participation of ethnic nationalities, which are ethnic groups , sub-ethnos, ukrainian, well, that is, they are completely different things, you understand what i am talking about now, the same way when we talk about what we we can formally approach the ukrainian people's republic we can also absolutely formally approach the c now but in the ussr when it is beneficial to us, we use it as if it were a real state when we say very proudly that we participated, for example, in the organization of the founding of the united nations. it is possible i always open it here, but now we are talking about the fact that ukraine should go to the borders
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of 1991, and the borders of 1991. 1991 is a direct consequence of ukraine's participation in the second world war on the side of the anti-hit lviv police, whether we like it or not. where ukraine joined the un as the ukrainian soviet socialist republic as an element in asia of soviet statehood, but formally with all the signs it was a state because stalin would not have wanted to include additional states or additional votes in the composition of the the united nations and the world community did not recognize this, even if there were no formal signs of statehood, there were formal signs of statehood in 1975, and in helsinki, according to the helsinki agreement , all those borders up to which
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we are trying to get out now and that is why it is a certain trap on the one hand we talk about ukrainian statehood about ukrainians and on the other hand as the presenter rightly said when we need to we immediately use the positive aspects of what soviet ukrainian statehood gave us we will say so and here we come to the problem that we do not have a ukrainian vision of the second world war, we partially view the second world war or through soviet russian eyes and partially view it through german eyes but i specialize in the conduct of hostilities, the territory of ukraine, we do not have a ukrainian point of view, we have a perception of these hostilities, but a post-soviet or german ukrainian vision, we are still not in accordance with the verdict in this problem, because war is, first
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of all, hostilities all that and everything else there is the occupation regime and the movement resistance is already accompanying it and then when we recognize the set of concepts of who we are we recognize whether there was ukrainian statehood at that moment or whether there was no ukrainian statehood what was the ukrainian state surgeon what was resistance movement, did the ukrainians at that time in this or that army realize themselves as political ukrainians, that they, after all , as you rightly pointed out, were more of an ethnic element, and when all this comes out, we can group it all together. and for this, we need time and we need specialists, then we it will be much easier to get rid of both the mental monuments of the second world war and the visual ones in lviv . "a tribute to our defender and
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volunteers or so medics er family mother in lviv this is what she looked like when she stood but this monument is not in the very center but in close to the center in the near center so to speak often gather your gathering place all kinds of local communists usually took place there all kinds of actions. guards , which was almost completely inhabited by children and their descendants, is now called a game . the maidan seems to have a different sound, and the soldiers are studying there. those actually ukrainian defenders dismantled the monument. and you know somehow yes, because i'm just a student not far from there. i used to live and often passed by that monument, but now i think that i had already forgotten that he was there, and here is our colleague, a journalist, a photo photographer, showed what is now with this monument . i know that this monument will later be in the museum of totalitarianism
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. here are the elements. actually, lviv did not give a new sound to this monument that was erected in soviet times. but he did it differently, now this sound will be different in museum question whether it can be acceptable a solution for the whole of ukraine, but we literally have two minutes. if you can answer briefly, and to vasyl, in my opinion, not all regions will be able to adopt such an approach as such a policy, because, well, actually, for some, for many regions in ukraine after all, the nazi occupation and the second world war left too big a mark on their collective memory, and accordingly, well, just remove the monument. it's just a reminder of this memory, and removing the monument means complete memory. erase that's why i think
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many will not agree. well, i think that the textbook is really more important. i like what vyatrovych 40 says. it is known that for many ukrainians the history textbook is the only history book that they will read in their life. i agree with us, there will be a bigger problem of changing mentality and sanity, it is impossible to change non-visualism, and here i agree with mr. igor that it is necessary to work gradually with some elements because, well, let's say the perception of the second world war in kharkiv from the acceptance of the second world war in kyiv, there in odesa, in the dnipro and lviv, it is to a certain extent different, er, to level this perception is possible only er, with quality and education and enlightenment, and then over time, taking into account there is simply even a biological factor that those people who
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for whom this is an important element, they will leave purely biologically, uh, the situation will radically change over time. well, because look at us now, no one remembers our monuments to the first world war on your channel . thank you, vasyl pavlov, military historian, head of the public organization of the center of the military stories and ihor bihun, the editor of the historical publication pravda, were with us, but now the news, angelica sazon will tell what happened there in ukraine. thank you, colleague. unfortunately, the russian occupiers continue to roam the ukrainian territory, killing civilians, in particular , about these and other news. i will tell you about these and other news in a few
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