[000:00:00;00] conspiracies, such micro-conversations, moreover, there is not even a question when it is unity in the elites, this means that on every question you have to address the first person, but when you address it, as we saw in the mat for putin, appoint me and he says to someone x, listen to him the bad is the good, tell putin that i am also good, this is where the split of the elite begins and these micro-cracks sooner or later can lead to what we will now talk about with serhii petukhov , a senior lecturer at the department of international law what is the former deputy minister of justice of the meridian academy

? i am not rosie, and i would like to, with your help, finally figure out what a hybrid tribunal for a person who did not graduate from law school means for an ordinary person who may not even have graduated from law school at all. and he has secondary education, what is a hybrid tribunal, i am trying to explain very simply, and the problem with judging putin is that he is like the head of the state. it is terrible, listen, what does that mean , what can i say, i'm sorry, serhii , we will dial you back in a second, but the question is that the audience, i hope they noticed that as soon as i speak to a russian or about russia

, communication problems begin. igor eidman began to hide somewhere . as soon as we started talking about the russian opposition, mr. serhii petukhov. putin how to make a tribunal hybrid not hybrid also something happened, don't we have some capabilities of the russian federation somewhere in space that prevents the espresso tv channel from discussing russian problems that's what i think it's not so easy for you quiet hakhanki the enemy is not sleeping keep this in mind a- a so, we are waiting. well, tell me, we are still waiting, this means that i have to breed tereveni, i will tell you now what we will talk about a-a about the tribunal about

the transformation of the nuremberg trial of putin into the trial of putin, this is what we yesterday we discussed so superficial because we had such a peculiar guest, let's say so, so there are three models of the tribunal, so there are, er, there are all of them . a hybrid tribunal for putin, what is its peculiarity and why does kyiv not run ahead of its father to hell ? of the day, i apologize for the bad communication. i hope it is better now, and the problem

with the trial against putin is that traditionally in international law from criminal prosecution in the courts of other countries, the case against putin is because such a process will not be recognized by other countries of the world; a name that describes a national ukrainian court with an international element, it may include the presence of foreign judges e-e ukr hello, an international organization that would add to the competence of this organization even a bit of a front court in order to prosecute and also add legitimacy to the national ukrainian court, taking into account the participation of foreign

organizations or judges on the other hand, and ukraine is now insisting to president zelensky that we do not want a hybrid tribunal. we do not want to take a half-step. who tried germany's super-violent criminals as a result of the second world war, obviously from the point of view of the legitimacy of this process, its impartiality, the attention paid to it by the international communities and yes, korzh has a final solution and verdict regarding putin and other top officials of the russian federation, to have an international tribunal, this model of nuremberg is better in this sense, a hybrid tribunal , whatever it is, it will still be the national court of ukraine, to which there will always be objections from russia that this is a politicized process that this

is unfair, that they invented something in ukraine, that's why it can be ignored, and objectively, many countries from asia, africa, and latin america can buy into this rhetoric of the russian federation for this very reason a hybrid tribunal is a possible option, but it is not optimal for a full-fledged legitimate trial against putin, mr. sergey. and how realistic is it to reject the ideas of a hybrid and go to such a consequence of nuremberg? yes, because if all countries are against and one country is in favor, then it is difficult to convince how much there are accomplices of the ukrainians to do exactly in gas this as proposed by mr. president and so on and the like, that is, how much is it because very often ukrainian officials are officials, they are such unrealistic

people, let's do it like this let's do it like this no one in the world has done this, and they are told about it, they say no, we will try to achieve it. what do you think ? absolutely, and the world knows the history. there are already several international tribunals that acted in different situations and for different reasons. founded the security council of the former yugoslavia of ireland, but it is obvious that any draft decision in the un security council will be blocked by the russian federation. therefore , we have to proceed from other options that exist , one of them is a vote on the creation although we will not have this decision of the tribunal in the general assembly, it will have binding force, but it has the highest political force, because absolutely all the states of the world are represented there

, in addition, there is the option of creating a tribunal of the decisions of individual states. and this is legally allowed between the parties to the law and such a tribunal will have international legal status the fact that the creation of this tribunal would be politically not very good if it were only western countries, because in the rhetoric of russia, russia is the victim nato attack by western states, and again, unfortunately, this rhetoric is accepted in many countries of the world, therefore , in order to form a broad coalition not only of western states, but also of the state , it is considered as

those who were previously friendly to russia , in addition, one should not forget that the case against putin is already being considered by the international criminal court - this is a permanent international judicial body that is recognized by the whole world, and after all, its parties are 122 countries of the world and there are just not only in western countries, but also in many countries of africa, latin america, and this court issued an arrest warrant for putin, and in particular, the first practical consequence of this warrant is that it looks like putin will not be able to come to south africa in the brics country itself, because south africa has ratified the rome statute and has the legal obligation to extradite putin if he is on their territory and precisely against the warrant of the international criminal court, the immunity of the head of state does not work in the same way. by the way, with brics, brazil is

a party to the rome statute. and although in the south africa is currently having an internal political discussion, according to unofficial sources at the moment it looks like south africa will ask putin not to come and in the conditions of the dictatorship that you will have putin where there are no elections and what kind of democratic legitimacy the deprivation of his status is very threatening for him as the leader of this country and in general is a threat to his life and health, therefore, international criminal justice does not work quickly , but it will certainly get putin and the so-called children's boatswain of white lviv, yaka she is responsible for the abduction of ukrainian children as well as other war criminals and from russia, mr. serhiy. look, this is no longer about tribunals and courts, we have a couple of minutes left to listen, look. in my head , i am not a lawyer, i can still repeat such

a phrase, precedent law is constantly heard why is it ringing, i'm explaining to you now, because if it's true, i just don't know what there are 72,000 different cases within the limits of russian aggression , murder, rape, theft. well, all that will happen is what we know what the russian army did, if it's true that there are 70 of them, even if twice less. and who will figure out where to find prosecutors, such a number, where to find judges, just such a number of lawyers, such a number, and so on, and so on and so on, is the system itself ready, that's why i'm talking about the president right precisely because, well, there's no other option. i'm absolutely not an expert i don't see well, then we just say that such a murder in such a form entails such a well and then already

everyone here is shorter you can make decisions faster and so on and so on, that is, what to do - this is a huge number of crimes of the russian army of any kind people who do it, ukrainian collaborators, etc. and what to do with it? well, they won, and then what? of course, this is a question that arises as a result of any armed conflict, any war, and many countries have faced such a situation, absolutely everything here it depends on you and me on ukraine how much we will be able to organize this process, what to demand from russia when the regime there changes and from the international community in any case 90%, and even

more crimes will be investigated by ukraine because such volume of crimes will not be able to be investigated by any international tribunal or international criminal court, that is why the ability of the investigative bodies and the ukrainian prosecutor's office to record evidence of these crimes and to record the statements of witnesses and even if the suspects or the armed persons are not currently on our territory is important. we cannot them detain and it is necessary to record these crimes of prosecution for war crimes there is no statute of limitations so at any time when we have the opportunity to detain uh russian soldiers, their officers, commanders, this case can be moved forward and bring a person to trial, to a court decision, there are different situations and some countries make decisions regarding either the exemption from criminal liability of certain categories of persons or the application of non-criminal prosecution , issues of illustration, restrictions on the positions held, for example those people who are collaborators who cooperated with the regime, but in any case

amnesty is impossible for a-a war crimes , that is, those people who raped and killed not there may be many of them fulfilled, but there may be a different approach to people who cooperated as e-e managers as teachers as doctors and this is absolutely a decision of ukraine that we all together must make based on this situation if ukraine is capable of recording evidence and questioning witnesses, then nothing we are not prohibited from bringing to justice all those russian servicemen, propagandists, deputies , prosecutors, and the guardsmen, who were at the helm , killed and investigated our people. thank you very much serhii petukhov, senior lecturer of the department of international law of the kyiv academy, the former deputy minister of justice explained to us here what can be expected of war criminals, now we move on to

the interpretation of the laws recently adopted by the verkhovna rada, all these laws are one way or another related to the various influences of the soviet union and the influences of the russian federation of russian culture russian politics russian literature for us and you for ukrainians i just didn't know about it, here i am reading the reference of the minister of culture oleksandra tkachenko said that in ukraine it is very interesting in the populated areas of ukraine , there are 400 streets of push cinema, not just 57 or 119, but 400, so that you just understand a-a mykola knyazhytskyi, the people 's deputy of ukraine, is in touch with us, mykola , it's nice to see you. thank you for finding

it's time for us, and i have the first such semi-joking question, then we'll move on to the serious ones. when i read that there is now a word racism . does it forbid me or anyone else to call it something else? if there is a money law, then i can't say russian fascists can't them i'm not off the air, i'll be loyal here, i'm only off the air, on the air, matyuks are prohibited , the verkhovna rada made the appropriate decision and this racism - this is what is this why does this oblige me or everyone or what this is why you i've never heard of the law simply the verkhovna rada is the highest body, not only the council. and there i don’t know. the congress of the united states or the house of the united kingdom made a decision that this

is called this way. in this case, we are not even talking about a legal resolution, but rather an appeal to the parliament in other countries, which, in principle , should condemn this ideology, as the authors of this appeal believe, and there is nothing wrong with that, because in general, i invented this term, as far as i am concerned i remember how to him tessnaiter who in this way briefly formulated the two words russian fascism and said that this is a phenomenon that definitely exists and which cannot be ignored . obviously does not prohibit anything at all, you can act in accordance with the law. i am the author of the phenomenon called russian nazism, and for sure no one will punish you for it either. no, well, snyder just heard from the ukrainians. and he supported it publicly. he supported these words somewhere. he came up with it, yes, i didn't, he spoke about it in many speeches , it's not that he heard it from ukrainians, it 's basically his terminology, the ukrainians started

with snyder and supported it, it would be correct to say that well, what was supported and now about the symbols of the russian-soviet era on the territory of ukraine will not be considered national cultural heritage, in my opinion, this is a bit tricky. what does this mean? then you give it to the local level that it will no longer be a cultural heritage, and everyone decides that in such a village, someone over there traveled to us. pushkin himself was in that village in odesa region where he was there and the skala community. well, let us have a pushkin street or a pushkin alley here, ah, but no matter what, this is a decision that obliges everyone to throw away the ties

of the past the streets and alleys of the past different things, we have adopted a law on toponymy. it is just streets and alleys and will be canceled regardless of this law. my law on humanitarian decolonization is not accepted and will not be brought into the hall because, in fact, you are fully humanitarian decolonization. no one in our country is ready to carry out the same as are not ready to vote on limiting the influence of the russian church in ukraine, i emphasize once again not about banning any ukrainian church, but about limiting the influence of the russian church, which further affects our citizens through the uoc mp well, no one is going to vote, everyone is just talking about it, as before, it was very often causing a lot of waves of discussion without changing anything, therefore, in this case , a law was adopted according to which, well, there are various monuments that symbolize the heroes of the so-called heroes of the soviet era or are related to soviet symbols or russian symbols, they are not monuments that are subject to state protection, and indeed local authorities can

take these monuments from the places where they stand, well, in kyiv there is such a history, for example, from the shchors monument does not mean that they need to be destroyed, they can be put in a museum actually in my law this is what was said and so far no one engages in vandalism of all such factors, but they definitely have a place in the center of our cities, er, in the center of the cities of the country which is defending itself from the russian aggressor now, mr. mykola, it was you who slandered me, i can’t go back to this, that more radical drafts are not accepted, they are not considered, why does anyone interfere, well, then, if not during the war with russia, where will russification be carried out, then when, well, you know, there was such an interesting one fact, yes, yesterday i even wrote about it on facebook, one of the wagnerites died, who turned out to be the screenwriter of a number of television films, and one of them russians always say battle for sevastopol battle for sevastopol, but in fact it is a film that was released in ukraine

even after the maidan in 15 -th year, but before the adoption of our laws in the 16th on the ban of russian productions on the support of ukrainian cinematography, precisely this intermediate period in our country, this film was called nezlamna, it was about such a ukrainian sniper who, uh, well, she really was the heroine, but in fact the entire film was imbued with soviet narratives and so, uh, i wrote about it then and they told me that i was wrong, what kind of patriotic ukrainian film is this, what made all the films , the war just started, i took up arms and went with the wagner group to fight against the ukrainians and here now he died there. that's why it's obvious. well, there are no votes in the majority for adopting sometimes seminal laws, they are not ready for this, they were supported by other forces, other people , many of them, some of them profess russian rashid or soviet ideology, and therefore for those laws that do not threaten them with anything, that can be useful

and appeal to other countries, they are ready to vote, but for effective laws that will really carry out decolonization in ukraine, they are unfortunately not ready to vote , they have not changed, mr. mykola, so we have to wait for the revival of some kind of opzzh or opzzh light, we do not like russia at all, but let the streets of 400 pushkin streets remain in ukraine, well, i say once again that this does not apply to the streets of the streets, we are renaming them in mind yes, in general , pushkin institutes and schools can of course, they can stay and films about all this can be broadcast on television, they don’t want to ban it, but the opzz didn’t disappear, these same people all remained in the parliament , well, not all of them submitted their mandate, those who fled ukraine, and those who remained , they were called differently they took over one word each, created two additional parties , voted unanimously with the government on this movement . by the way, last week, a very interesting and large study was done, so it is obvious

that there have been no changes here, okay, and there won’t be created well, because i constantly remembered just the shchors monument. i remember the late king of the heavenly royburd sasha, who was very worried about this and said that it was very, very, very, very well, the sculpture itself is unique and very high-quality and very beautiful and so on and so on something like that, and he just being in his heart completely with ukrainian nationalists said, well, here, here, i have doubts, here, let the monument stand, well, look, i also knew this very well, he was not, from my point of view , a nationalist, but he was absolutely democratic a determined person who wanted a european choice for ukraine, and i know many of these people. back then, i was often criticized for the law, which i

promoted in the verkhovna rada, the law on language, and now they all speak ukrainian, sometimes significantly more radical than me in many fields, i think the late sasha rozbrobl now would also change his position regarding this monument , see why i personally very often criticize deputies in my conversations and sometimes on the air, but i'm just talking about you know this person this is such an ono-zone film, a dutchman who works for a long time in ukraine , i just consulted with him about the replacement of the russian language from scientific manuals , textbooks and so on from scientific articles, and my wife. she teaches at a university in a male institution, and she also says that a lot has been done or translated the 90s zero into the russian language and we simply do not have it, well, relatively speaking, i always

say that if i want to write a dissertation about a country called santoméi-principi, in addition to the russian language, i need either french or have english or russian in your head, and when that dutchman told me, we behaved just as harshly against the german language , which was a very large force. well, almost everyone in the netherlands knows german, i say. and what is the difference in money? says the government or the parliament at the same time. he says we are here. we prohibit it, but here we allocate 100 million guilders conditionally for translations to write new books well, it’s just that in russia there was a consultation of africa and that is why there you can say a dissertation in percent principles or in kyiv there was no dissertation on latin america there was

jesus, we didn't have the usa and canada, i'm already talking about north america. we really lacked these institutes in the academic sense, and maybe in ukraine we need to make such a law, what to say, and we allocate such an amount during the year, maybe after the war, to make up for the translations and writing of new books new textbooks of the ukrainian language and so on and so on, what do you say, mr. mykola , well, first of all, i want to say that there was such an initiative by my colleague pip and it has not yet been adopted , no one has adopted any laws prohibiting translations, let's start with this secondly, i will tell you that if you want to baptize, become a phd, become a doctor, you are now obliged to have publications, including in english , in western publications, and to pass the e-e exam of a foreign language, and in this case you are fluent in english and other foreign languages ​​and you simply don’t need russian literature for this, it’s soviet professors who didn’t know english, everyone modern now speaks in the old way, uh, the candidate of science in

the new phd won’t get this title if he doesn’t know english, why should he then to read the russian translation is not clear to me, once again, and i think that everyone can read it in english or french. but again, it is still not prohibited in our country. you can also read russian, although i obviously do not support it. to put it mildly, i do not support it at all, mr. mykola deputy mykola knyazhytskyi did not want to talk about money , i understood it this way, i understood it this way, what can be done to encourage a fund, a translation fund , a new writing fund, some kind of fund that would encourage scientists to create new works in ukrainian and so on or to translate from english to french in a high-quality form that we need to finance education more , i have no doubts about this, we finance and now many translations, we have many funds there is a war going on in us and we have problems with money

is in the whole country. i wouldn’t say that it is greater in a scientist . obviously, the purpose of translations is quite different. the purpose of translations is not uh, how to translate into ukrainian the english works that we young scientists are so proficient in english, but the purpose of translations rather translate ukrainian literature into foreign languages, including the word, and such a program exists, it is carried out through the ukrainian institute of books and through other educational institutions, we allocate funds for this. parliament, well, let's say closer to a month. can you so easily announce which bills can be considered, which ones would be of interest to society, well, it's difficult for me to say, because now we actually have a parliamentarian destroyed because we have the monomajority and the schedule of the parliament are drawn up in the president's office, uh, partly what they draw up there is really useful

and necessary, and many laws are voted on and the opposition is supported by the government, but despite that, there is no opposition project, but i told you about mine about humanitarian decolonization, there are many others they took over our projects, including the financing of the army. this is fundamental, so it is difficult for me to predict anything. it is obvious that the opposition will support the positive initiatives of the government. because no one wants to like us unity and victory, but unfortunately there are too few positive initiatives, and the government does not really want such unity so far, that is why it is very difficult to predict the future for literally half a minute, mykola, and discussions can take place in the backroom, well, that is, the government offered something to you personally, you did not like something you will be able to sit down. you know that the government is not the deputies , the deputies go to drink coffee with each other in the parliament during breaks from different factions, from the pro-government factions, from the opposition, and both

are offended by what is on their agenda from above from the president's office, it has not been a long time since the parliamentary debate, the first thing we need to do is to rebuild a strong ukraine, and we need to do it now, even when there is a war, we need to ensure a clear distribution of powers so that the executive, legislative, and judicial powers are one from one and this is the only guarantee of our victory and support of our event, unfortunately, the executive and representative authorities do not always understand this. thank you , mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine , they talked about humanitarian issues which are discussed in the verkhovna rada, and i would say that it is discussed, but not always accepted by the work of the verkhovna rada, i do not think that people would be satisfied who are radically against something and for something, such a policy of compromise is a thing of the past, but it is the opinion of the people deputy mykola knyazhynsky, and now it will not be an opinion, but a