[000:00:00;00] they executed them, as well as ribbentrop and many others. this is a reminder to the russians that they remembered once again happy victory and remembrance and reconciliation day. tomorrow is europe day . you will be espresso. one good evening. we are from ukraine. olga palamaryuk works in the studio. here is the topic of our program today. ukraine postpones victory day to may 8. this is the day when the victory over nazism is celebrated

by western countries. separation ukraine postpones victory day to may 8, president volodymyr zelenskyy introduced an initiative to the verkhovna rada accordingly, he said this in his address today because, according to him, ukraine is returning an honest history without ideological influences , the parliament made it clear that the draft law could be adopted in an operational manner , instead, on may 9, when victory day is celebrated in russia. it will become europe day. earlier in 2015, the then president petro poroshenko introduced the day of remembrance and reconciliation on may 8, but victory day was left on may 9. may, starting tomorrow, may 9, we will honor our historical unity, the unity of all europeans who destroyed nazism and will defeat racism, this will be the day of europe, which supports ukrainians for all nine years of aggression

and already 439 days of full-scale invasion, and my colleague zhanna bezpyachuk zhan congratulations, this is how the people reacted to such a proposal of the president. congratulations to olya barbie . let's start with the fact that it is may 8 or victory day, may 9. the most popular and most important for ukrainians holidays include christmas, easter, and independence day of ukraine, besides, there are enough reasons to lead at the legislative level. these are the changes and how to regulate the celebration of this day. as the president of ukraine proposes, first of all, victory day on may 9, as it is currently celebrated in russia, in fact , they are associated not simply with russian propaganda, but with racism, the ideology

of a totalitarian person in vysvilsk , that is exactly what ukraine officially recognized as the ideology of the current state of russia on the legislative equal and is one of the main slogans of all this ideological machinery, we can repeat that in essence, this is a threat to european countries not only to ukraine and to the whole world in that a world war, only in this case, a nuclear world war can happen, a global conflict can happen again, and one more reason for ukrainians and the holiday of victory in the second world war is primarily associated with the commemoration of the fallen civilians and military people, and again in russia there is no such emphasis at all; in fact, this holiday has a built-in cult the death of zhanna bezpyashchuk, the bbc correspondent from kyiv, was in touch with anna

again. thank you. well, let's celebrate victory day on may 8. ukraine will now join the rest of europe in kyiv. several european leaders are planning to come to kyiv to demonstrate unity with ukraine . in europe itself today, modest events were held in france, according to tradition, a small military parade was held , the president laid flowers at the grave of the unknown soldier in paris, gave a speech in in poland, hundreds of people with flowers came to the eternal flame, and the ministry of foreign affairs of great britain wrote on twitter what they think about ukrainian friends who are fighting against tyranny today. so , the senior researcher of the national museum of the history of ukraine in the second world war , roman kabachi, joins us on the air i congratulate you , well, first of all, the story is quite well-known, but how did it happen that europe and the countries of the former

soviet union began to celebrate victory day differently, and is there historical logic? it is in today's decision, congratulations, that's right, in fact, the countries of the western alliances signed the surrender with germany on may 7, 1945. stalin insisted that, together with soviet representatives, this should be done in berlin on may 8, and on may 8 it happened so late in the evening that in moscow then it was already the ninth of may, instead, the soviet people in quotation marks, that is, the people of the soviet union , were informed about this in the evening of the ninth of may , respectively, for stalin, this moment was so

advantageous that he used the separation of and the importance of the actual contribution of the soviet union to the victory in order to transfer it from equal formation , and all the more so, in fact, no one in the soviet union later mentioned that the second world war ended on september 2 after, in fact, japan capitulated, not only germany, that is, for europe there was this celebration these days, but the soviet union set it on may 9 to show its contribution, which it considered the sacrifices of the civilian population and the army

. the soviet allies did not count on civilians, they told about it, very few people knew about it, well, in the same way, in principle, we know that the may 9 cult itself arose much later, when brezhnev came to power, and this began to turn into a fetish , which is now being used by putin's government , as well. well, if we talk about the celebration, it is more precisely the celebration of this date. what is the difference ? now, what is the difference between the russian approach to celebrating this date and the approach among countries of the west, i would even say not the countries of the west, because in the countries of the west, this is the word that we had until today, reconciliation, seeking an answer to the question of collo -collaborationism against, why, some were against, others were in favor, and in fact, we are now

cleaning up this is a word of reconciliation because the entire ukrainian people suffered, regardless of which armies they were in, eh, instead , eh. if we talk about russia and its fetish - this celebration of the celebration of death is a celebration in russian, then it does not fit into our -th understanding is humanistic i would like to say that today, for example, in the museum of our history of ukraine, during the second world war, the one who near the motherland under her, in one of the locations, an exhibition about the war was opened, this is actually such a humanistic approach, when a specific person has some sign that protected what she carried and what she cherished and what she can show as her spiritual e is interesting that this is the difference between the kitch and

something valuable, we will return to this later, this is not for you, there is another question, but before we talk about it, i suggest look alone the material is the observation of the bbc correspondent steve rosenberg, who currently works in the moscow bureau, he walked the streets of the russian capital for the grain museum of the great patriotic war and his observation about how the russian government tries to compare the second world war with the current war of russia against ukraine, let's look at our people often ask me what is it like to be in moscow right now if you sum it up in one word it all looks realistic at first glance there is a sense of normalcy uh the weather is getting

warmer people are walking under the spring sun they are resting, but in reality there is nothing normal about what is happening here now, we see repression, they are intensifying, recently a critic of the kremlin was imprisoned for a quarter of a century for treason, this is volodymyr karamurza , we also saw an american airport operator whom everyone here knows well, he was arrested for espionage, this is evangeldshvid and of course, if you go to the city, you will see these constant reminders of the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine. the so-called special military operation. normality is unlikely. but maybe this is a new group . and it seems that russia is now making great efforts to recruit even more people for her in ukraine, you can see recruitment ads everywhere, they are on billboards, shop windows, there is one even on the door

of the barbershop where i go, meanwhile, moscow is preparing for victory day of the national the holiday that marks the defeat of nazi germany is approaching. on this day, there is undoubtedly a feeling of nervousness, some russian regions canceled their military parade , citing security reasons and fearing possible attacks on the ukrainian parade in moscow on red square will take place as planned however, red square itself has been closed to the public since the end of april and this is quite unusual . try to justify this day not only celebrate the glorious victory of the soviet union over fascist

germany here they also portray the war in ukraine as something like the second world war so that the russian public will believe it again how today russia is waging a fair fight defending the motherland there is a separate exhibition about the military operation where parallels are drawn between how soviet soldiers died in the second world war and how russian soldiers are killed today the war in ukraine is not over but it is already in the museum of victory its participants museum exhibits in the multimedia widely, this is part of the official narrative of russian history. however, in reality, the second world war and the war in ukraine are completely different things

. the german nazis attacked the soviet union and russia attacked ukraine, we saw the material of our colleague from the moscow bureau because, mr. roman, again from the point of view of history, what is wrong with these russian narratives and russian approaches to may 9 ? what do you think? before the second world war, there was a pact of the year 39, according to some stalin, hitler divided eastern europe, and then the soviet union tried to justify itself in any way , now russia makes the same excuses and does it in such a clumsy russian language

soon all kinds of examples of how much it is done on the heads of its residents and not only those who are actually confirmed by its propaganda in our museum of the history of ukraine in the second world war, there are a lot of already collected facts in that among the artifacts and collected liberated territories that show how the russian troops actually treat the history of the second world war, there is a broken slab made of gostomel on the mass grave, there are examples of broken tombs of soviet heroes the union has examples of those shot monuments and sneeze at them, so in fact they don't believe what they say and confirm they are trying to confirm their occupation of ukraine with some myths from the second world war well, that's all we have time

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kiev and odesa region, in particular , as a result of a missile attack on odesa , the rented warehouse of the odesa regional organization of the red cross society of ukraine with an area of ​​​​one thousand was completely destroyed square meters of humanitarian aid for the odesa region, which was in a warehouse, was destroyed. this was reported in the red cross, the consequences of the attack, you can now see on this video that we show well, in addition, tonight an attack on kyiv took place, the alarm sounded in the capital at 11:30 p.m. the day before, and within 40 minutes the city military administration reported that it was working air defense, according to the military , the airspace over kyiv was invaded 35 shaheds who attacked the city from the bryansk region of russia in the air force command said that all the drones were shot down . well, the debris, however, injured people, it is known about

five wounded , apartment buildings, cars and roads covering the consequences we are also just now showing you on the video well, look more further in our material, they opened up, i went into the house, i was scared , well, it was a horror, just a horror, god, the people are scary there , thank god that at least no one died, he says that after the 12th, the toads started babkay-

banging closer further closer further closer further and then it seemed to me that the house just jumped up, that is, my windows are in the middle of the house , a man came up and said i saw a flash, a very strong powerful explosion, and i saw my own bright world, maybe i got a shock there was someone right away, i got up, i was in another room, and we - a woman , a woman with children, were here. well, these windows of ours look out here, so i immediately ran to pick them up. and we left the apartment . today is the second birthday, you can say that. you can even throw it, i will say and i didn't understand what happened. we somehow woke up in such horror and my heart seemed to be jumping out. my daughter was next to me in the room resting. she

ran to us and told me, well, it's scary. we sat down and thought about what to do next. what is the situation? in a parking lot yes, because something happened nearby. we went out, looked out the window, here the ambulances and fire engines have already started to drive, right at our windows, uh, from the kitchen, they face this way and we saw some kind of flash, very bright, it's a completely different emotion when you see something somewhere nearby and you can come up and look at well, it is really so scary and when you feel this wave, what was it, you still need to go down without neglecting the alarms 2:05 my boyfriend's mother called us from germany and

said that we no longer have an apartment we from they hit the inside, here are the ones that suffered the most, they are neighbors, we are next to them, well, we are not there either, we are gone, you were a wall and we can just move to their apartment there, there is nothing for repairs from scratch, you have to do everything, remove everything and start over again glue, build walls, our apartments are a disaster, this is the first message i read, and i say that we will get up and go to see what's there, well, i didn't think that was the case with a splinter. you can just blow up four apartments there, well, these are the ones that i saw, what's there from top to bottom i don't know people, this was the most massive attack in our city. i want to thank our anti-aircraft forces, which shot down all 36 drones. some of these drones' shrapnel fell on houses and damaged houses and residential buildings in

some areas of our city. according to the information of the ministry of defense of ukraine, last day russian troops shelled the territory of 10 oblasts of ukraine, 127 settlements came under fire, 139 infrastructure objects were hit, and according to preliminary information , three people died and 28 people were injured. ivan krychevskyi, an expert on the defense express military portal, my greetings to you, yes. good evening. and please explain what kind of drone activation this is because may 9 is a special sacred date and that is why the russian troops have prepared for it. is it just moscow ? could get another batch of early shaheds just started using them to use without being attached to add how can it be explained

here it is unlikely that it really exists hardly it is just an attachment to add because it meant what happened in 1989? it’s not the season, it’s not a mental illness, it will pass and then calm down. unfortunately, there is not one story that has mostly been missed in our information space . and it looks like it is that russia started supplying early, well, relatively modern su-35 se fighters. well, if you take even the survivors are from all that the russians are currently using in vienna against ukraine, the su-35 is the most advanced, moreover, if you take the context of the wound there, the delivery of the su-35 se is that they are still there, or it is not just let’s say that iranian gdp robots with more modern it would give iran more chances in a hypothetical war against israel, and at that time everything was a part of the fact that it is obvious that after iran received this modern fighter from russia, iran obviously began to supply more so that the masses are the most

active body of the party shekhediv well, because if you recall, when it was believed that this was the peak time of mass shelling of the territory of ukraine, then the maximum that the russians could afford was to shoot down about 20 of these kamikaze drones once a week, you need to understand that the power to shoot down kamikaze drones. they depend not only on how many such flying machines are directly available , but also on how many functioning launchers there are and how many trained crews are there to launch these drones. during the entire flight and it seems that if he had played not only there he would have increased a certain amount of production of these routes so that more russians would be supplied but obviously more personnel with on the russian side in order to make all these drones more massive, which ones will be used, because once they went into the data that passes there, let’s say it is in

the public domain, the kamikazes were the first to get calculations with such fools , which with the czech republic 136 cartridge what in general are the so- called first of the city corps, we are there until 2022. that's how they marked these donetsk separatists, then iranian instructors still appeared in the temporarily occupied territories. well, unfortunately, it can be seen that the instructors from ramsk did some of their dirty work and the russians found out that now not only are there more martyrs for such constant shelling of ukraine, but also more personnel who can at the end of the martyrdom be launched on a permanent basis, here i just want to remind you once again that we just heard the statement of the omer of kiev vitaliy klitschko he said that this is the most massive attack, and i want to ask you, and the fall of the fragments of drones on the building , as it was tonight, is there no alternative perspective, or what is the problem of shooting them down before they

end up on residential areas? not i would like to create in advance let's say this is bad news, but it looks like it's about um, well, it's uh, with a certain non-alternative perspective that awaits us, because the problem lies in this. sources that it is about 20 dashes of $50,000, that it is an undervalued well, in fact, one motor costs $17,000. all the same, this is a means of such a mass and when let's say so, there are various commentators emphasizing that the russians they use these chesses, including to exhaust the anti-aircraft defense of ukraine and to spend. well, for our anti-aircraft fighters to spend scarce anti-aircraft missiles on these martyrs, there is something in this, because, you know , in order to explain how difficult it is, in principle, to knock down routes with an anti-aircraft missile . well, here are the parameters

this electronic kamikaze has a body length of 3 m and that one is only 2 m, roughly speaking, you can take it even after that and try to find a photo on the internet where president zelensky is standing and next to him, who is he, in such a neutralized way to see how small an air target is actually the story of these two, those two angles, what is the air thing, there are many sunbeds, there are many rotten missiles, not so many to shoot them down at such great distances, because this is a very small air target, which is better to hit or from of portable anti-aircraft missile systems or in general from anti-aircraft art installations or anti -aircraft machine guns well, for example, these anti-aircraft vehicles viktor that the czech republic sells to us together with certain volunteers, that 's why, that's how it turns out that, unfortunately, now that's the prospect that drones are mostly shot down

somewhere already in the airspace of the kyiv region or directly in the capital well, unfortunately, she understood your stop although i will not assert a little missile systems do not use us, just a little communication hangs up that is why there may be a slight delay in the sound ivan last question here is what you said a drone is a relatively small aerial target. but i want to go back to last week on saturday, there was a statement that ukraine used the american patriot air defense system to shoot down a hypersonic russian dagger missile. and what is this well, we know that this is one of the most terrible, the heaviest, most terrible , or what types of weapons that moscow has used against ukraine, and until now ukraine has not shot down such missiles. assess the significance of this event. in the context of russia's further actions, how will they now

adjust the launch of these daggers , do you hear me, ivan, to our great regret, it was interrupted if the russians will continue to launch only daggers, then they will be forced to do it en masse, that was the most massive indicator - that's 6 years at a time and it turns out that they have to make these six missiles for six months now they will have to fire up to 10 at a time if of course they will do it, but in principle will the russians dare to do this so as not to further spoil the reputation of their whether it is a weapon is an open question, because the russians have so far positioned the tsar as the facts of its use , because it is supposed to be an invulnerable missile. dagger well, it is possible that the russians