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early. welcome to the first channel of public broadcasting thank you for finding the time to come to us, have a good day. thank you for inviting me. you are the head of the public organization blue bird and this public organization has been involved in various areas for quite a long time . now on the website you can see different areas of work . are you currently focused on something specific or do you take care of everything in the same way? our specificity is work with people who survived captivity, support for their families, families of missing persons and families of prisoners, that is, everything related to captivity - in essence, it was also the missing our main activity, and at some point it began to fall back to us, even in general, on the overall support of people who suffered from war crimes and what they face, first of all , those who are released, who are released from captivity and fall into a moldy life, return home

. if these are civilian people, then for now unfortunately, the state support is minimal, if it was the release of civilians during the official exchange, then after the official exchange everyone is provided with first medical aid, both civilians and military, but we must understand that not all civilians who survived captivity are released during official exchanges. the question is that after being released from captivity in a state of shock, it is very difficult for people to often go through these types of official and conditional bureaucratic procedures and well, let's not talk about the fact that, for example, after release, they have to give a testimony - and if it was an unofficial dismissal, then they should often look for these investigators to give this testimony, and then if they want to receive state support , including financial support for

rehabilitation, then for civilians it is more they really have a difficult process here. still, it is better to turn to the public sector for the time being so that at least someone tells them as comprehensively as possible about their rights and their opportunities to help go through this whole path a-a what do the military er-e military face hmm situation it is much better for all military personnel, in the first place, a medical examination is provided that is comprehensive enough. civilians released from captivity are not provided with such a service . do they have to do it themselves? well , theoretically, it should be provided in this way. why does it fail, there are certain moments that unfortunately civilians, especially those who were not released through official release, but the fact of captivity sometimes still needs to be proven. yes, and this is terrible, the truth is terrible. and why is this happening again? well, you know my simple

explanation, not as a lawyer. because during the war , on one side, civilians brothers you can't be captured. well, this is definitely a war crime, but on the other hand, during the war, the occupying power, and according to the norms of international humanitarian law , can somehow detain people in order to restore law and order. broke the window yes, that's the point, and it's just to prove the fact that the occupier is a prisoner, not an administrative detention, a close person - this is a serviceman or a civilian returned from captivity before meeting with her, how to work with the family so that this meeting is not overshadowed by any unpleasantness at times, i am not sure that it is necessary to work immediately before the release of a specific, well, specific person with his relatives, because, unfortunately, we are fighting a very insidious enemy who can disrupt

the release, and we have seen it. maybe, well, he might not release will take place and now imagine a family yes, which lives in a state of expectation, which actually, er, well, constantly thinks only about the release , they say that he will be released tomorrow well, what will she do? yes, if, well, they will not sleep , they will. typical feelings, what is it? well, in fact, they live until gold and here tomorrow this release will not happen or in two days after 3 days of this release, there will be no stress after release from captivity, first of all , everyone who is released, regardless of whether it is the state will provide it, as i did not provide it before, because as a civilian i do not receive supplements - they may not receive medical support, but they need a medical examination, and the relatives need to understand this so that the first thing they do is not to worry about their mental state, it is necessary

to organize a medical examination and treatment because in fact we often tell families that after release you will have time to prepare for how to behave over time because you have to heal now i think most of them forget what they knew before why they were taught look at what you have to think about your leisure time, you have to think about your loved ones and this is something that you have to give back, i'm happy because in the family very often everyone experiences grief alone if there are children, then give it back well, to the children, this is what is important to talk about, not about the future, but about the present so that even for a second they could stop and see and feel the world around them because the families of prisoners live in the future and our task is to help, we do not know when this future

will actually come, but here and now most of them do not live because how to work with families to help them see themselves at least on a second to worry, at least that they have enough time to live to this future , let's say they fired a person close to them , a meeting should take place. where to do anything because in reality, people in captivity also live with thoughts about their family, that's why it's at the meeting stage it's important not to be afraid to show really show how much you expected not to be afraid of each other well, actually, after

of captivity, we have to understand that a person in captivity survived, so everything should not be the first question well, hello, how are you? well, i think that my wife will ask how it is, she will say how glad i am to see you, it may not be the wife , journalists definitely should not do that to ask the first thing, by the way, what else is not worth asking let's go, what should be said, how well, how were we waiting, how to get out of the council ? well, we need to talk about, well, about today, about expectations. hanging on everyone's head we very often have in the press and even in statesmen people who survived captivity are called prisoners yes, but they are free in fact very often people who survived captivity call themselves prisoners they say i am such and such a prisoner a prisoner of war well, but they

people are already free and this is in fact, what should be emphasized is you see in them people who are already free to congratulate well, really, we can all wait for their appeal to be called release from captivity yes the released are free well they are free yes these people have experience of captivity people who have survived prisoners or people who have been released, well, everyone cried , hugged each other, it's time to go to the open table where everyone discusses some issues, is it possible or is it possible to ask from the first about what was done with a captive here, even before that, you had a phrase about openness, that's what we shouldn't do, we don't set the table, we don't bring burgers, like alcohol, etc. and people are in captivity, like, especially if there is a shortage

of something. expensive alcoholic drinks because with such also met, and often even experienced volunteers tried to bring some type of alcohol immediately to the hospital, one must understand that people there were worried, well, mothers could not finish their meal, there could be certain violations , so, first of all, we do not cover the table, we do not bring alcohol and we do not ask about the fact that there were no cakes , burgers, french fries, etc., do the relatives behave properly when they fulfill any wish. release from captivity, even the one he did not ask for, i know it will always happen return that people who are captured are not disabled people who survived, who had enough strength to survive, so they should be treated not as sick people

, but as people who have so much strength. accordingly, really if we talk about zabagans, if we treat them as adults, we return them to their adult position. that is, their zabagans must be reasonable and adequate, cakes, ice cream, burgers - this is something that is better to do a little later, because now it will not be in time, we have to again return them to an adult position, because there they had no control over anything, and here, well, it’s like turning them into people who don’t control their lives again, it’s definitely not worth it, there should be guardianship , but not hyper guardianship, support, support does not care, support, how should this support be manifested when people lived in captivity, they lived with thoughts about their family a-a. the question is that they often live without knowing what a terrible experience the family actually lived

. to lose housing, to be under fire, and after some time they continued to fight for liberation, so you should not expect to meet familiar people right away, well, immediately meet people who, in fact, before that until they saw each other, they lived in thoughts of each other, felt each other through their skin , but when they met each other they will suddenly see people who lived through this time in the village and received various terrible, in fact, it is enough what should the family do, well, accept the little ones , support, talk about their experiences, and not ask, but be ready if they will to tell about the experience of captivity, be ready to listen to it, do not be horrified and see a person who is not going through the experience, but a person who has already experienced it, but a person who has survived, but in fact, people who came to captivity do not often talk about this experience, if they do not want to tell

, you should not ask them. they have if we talked already about relatives. and the question is about those released from captivity, should they tell their family everything that happened, or maybe something should be hidden, the truth should not be told immediately after release. in fact, everyone release, they have to testify not only that, if they are military , military psychologists have already worked with them, conducted certain debriefings , this is also work with memories, that is, there are already a certain number of people to whom they told what happened to them here, so they do not always need to tell it's different, not always relatives have a need - it's to listen, if it's important for them to know everything about each other and it's their family history, then it's their right to tell or not. it's important that it's spoken at all,

even if it's clear to someone that we'll call a certain period it is a period of adaptation. maybe there will be certain problems and i want to understand how long this period will last and how to survive it. it is immediately after the application, the first few days. yes, when does this happen ? well, mobilization. days after the release, it can be a natural enough reaction if people will not sleep for several days or will constantly chew on it, think about it for the first two days, it does not even need some type of medical intervention, and on the third day after all, it is desirable for a person to fall asleep. hmm, if this does not happen, then sleeping pills are already added here in order to help the person

relax a little and feel this. they feel that they are free, it's the same, this type of condition doesn't even really feel what's happening to the body , yes, the doctors can see it hurts, nothing hurts, very often it happens that in the first days , even with the family, they can't finish to meet because they see the family and there is still no such thing, you know the feeling of relaxation with exhalation and even that this tenderness and it is about being able to speak and that is all so that the natural state begins somewhere after 70 days , the first sensations of such, you know, like breathing, well, very often when and what people can complain about after dismissal is that they get tired quickly or forget something quickly, and this period is so emotional, it is very difficult to somehow get stability of emotions, and this will happen where the first and a month or a half

of the majority. well, if they are given the first psychological support from the armed forces this happens for the first time, the first two weeks are very frequent. then, well, they can pass quite easily, well, the stage of physical and mental recovery, but this recovery will still take place up to six months, it is worth understanding that this can happen in principle quite natural, normal, infinitive, i would like to ask you through you , your organization, your employees go through tens of hundreds of different fates, different stories, but it often happens that out of the whole number , exactly one is imprinted in the heart, or is there such a one the story of you, the story of those who impressed me so much. you probably know for the last time. well, this will not be something unexpected, but

it is important for me. well, the story of those people and the defenders of azov steel and their strength, and their strength , i will tell you honestly, i do not like the realization of people who survived pavlo, but for me it is true that the defenders of azov became heroes not because of polonne because of the fact that what they did during the defense was due to circumstances, well, for me, they changed the very vision of all ukrainians, well, on themselves, well, that is, before that, ukrainians felt weaker and only looking at azov steel, where they did not surrender almost without weapons, where they were not defeated, we felt our own invincibility, it was felt by every ukrainian, and when i meet the defenders of azov steel who survived after the capture, you know, i see people well , the type who really stayed there that's unbreakable and here's this unbreakable well, somewhere for me, well, it's enough that a bush, that is, i hear

stories there about how officers simply did not submit to torture because they were supposed to be unbreakable, as their subordinates looked at them well, they had to be there with the same examples, yes, that's probably why for me it's so personal , you know, they're very, very inspiring, i wish you further fruitful work on the new ones you chose for yourself or who chose you for that, because i know what you'll do the best thank you thank you year you are waiting for victory, you want the occupiers to leave our land and are indignant when the next forecasts are not fulfilled, it may end by the end of the next course, the draft

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the first channel of public broadcasting and thank you for finding the opportunity to come to us today . good day. a separate line can be singled out on april 14, when russian troops fired rockets at the city of slovyansk, donetsk region in you were at the epicenter of the events, rescuing those who survived, those who survived. there is a photo in front of your eyes where you are sitting next to a girl who is all covered in dust. please tell me about this day , how it began. how did you get to slovyansk? and what kind of girl is she? and this day in particular began perfectly. everything was as usual. we were on our way to the task and then the shelling began. we all got out of the car with our comrades. it flew into the house number 7. people from

the neighboring houses began to run out. everyone called for help. i , as a military medic, always have in my car a medical backpack with tactical medicine there, a medical bag there, where it is equipped more civilly. at first, we provided help to people who had small wounds, cuts from the glass of the battle because someone ran and gasped and broke their knee. there was this girl sofia when they sofia was 14 years old . i am very handsome, he has green eyes . when the commander was upstairs, he tried to correct the actions of the rescuers in all the military. when they found drying, they called i went there with my bag as a medic. when i went up there, i did not feel fear at all. when i went up to

the fourth floor, sofia, i did not see it. it was a pile of broken concrete pieces of furniture. the whole life was mixed with dust. the rain was just dripping and it all solidified again into cement. about the forest, another heap. i stand up again on such a platform and see only a small hole in front of me into which i can climb. it seems to me that i am in that hole and there is sofia. when i went down into this hole in front of me , the rescuer misha was sitting next to her, who was constantly holding sofia by he talked to her head and tried to hold the slab with his shoulders, which was sofia right next to him and firmly pressed her right leg, uh, not me, sofia couldn't come up right away because there was a threat that this slab would fall, then when it became more stable, when it was disassembled a little. and

then i already started work worked i didn't work all the time i worked only when there was no threat and also an interesting nuance is that we mixed one helmet for two because it's my helmet and he didn't have a helmet and why did he give his helmet to someone younger i told him he needed more sharing helmet in turns when misha was next to sofia, he was wearing a helmet . when i was next to sofia, i was there. the space next to sofia was very limited . it was a room in which the wardrobe was tilted and the slabs were not hanging, so it was possible either for someone to sit and stand, or on the contrary, there was not enough space for the two of us to sit or stand. how did you manage to help sofia in such a closed space? thoughts that i was scared there or there was no space for

me. open but i i understand that i forgot everything. i don't know anything. i had a phone. i called my teacher. he is a doctor who taught me a lot . he also fought at the front and lost in the end . he said stay safe, you will be able to do everything, he said what to do. i started to act, what is the next step? sophia's fate sophia is fine now she wanted her limb saved she only has small wounds and a broken collarbone that day the baby who was 2 years old died this is a terrible picture when they get the child and his mother is screaming can you feel the mother's scream now you hear him, this cry will not always remain in your head, as well as sofia's phrases , what she first asked her parents and then told me

, she opened her green eyes and said, " maybe i'll die." you will be with us now in sofia, i am a godmother, i don't know why i haven't seen you after that , but i plan not to lead, of course i want to. convey my congratulations and definitely, katya, how did you become combative, what motivated me in the seventh grade, i was still afraid of blood, for me, blood it seemed like a terrible picture, when someone got hurt, i lost consciousness, i saw blood, i lost consciousness, but then he got sick . my grandfather and i went to hospitals all the time . they didn't help him, then he died in the hospital. help people more so that people do not die and you entered somewhere to study 9th grade i read as an x-ray laboratory technician and then after a while

the senior center yes from the start after medical college it jumped out at you february 24 full-scale invasion february 24 i was i was going to go to work at home. i was planning to go to work. i woke up when my friend called me and said, katya, you know that the war has started . what are we going to do? she is a student. she is studying now at bogomolets. in the bomb shelter under our house, and then i found an ad on the internet that people who knew at least something medical could help work in the pharmacy, so i went and worked a little part-time in the pharmacy , helping them, you could say volunteers. but why can't you say that you could be a volunteer, yes, she also had experience

volunteering at a pharmacy, i had the keys to auto pharmacy, which was across the street. i can't say that i robbed a pharmacy, but i had to take a lot of packages, so it was such an experience that you joined the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine as a crossing guard. i sat in a bomb shelter , went to a pharmacy, but my conscience tormented me that i could do something and could help. guys, but i don't know how. sometime on the 14th, i made a decision, and on the 14th, i made a decision