[000:00:00;00] to this commonwealth well, of course, i would like us to be 33 and the number is beautiful, yes, right after sweden, but by and large i agree with the fact that our troops have shown that they are capable of modernizing on the go during the war, capable of replenishing the most modern you know, even now they are making fun of the americans who just a few months ago said that patriot is such a complex system that ukrainians need a long time to master it. of course, from the point of view of democratic civil control, we do not meet any other such important parameters from the point of view of the political system, but even if this was not the case, let's look at the history

of the alliance and we will see that, for example, the same west germany was was taken into the ranks of the alliance when it was divided into a part of the territory occupied by the dpr of the lpr at one time by the german democratic republic, or rather by the soviet union of this satellite. and let's remember, for example, the same turkey and greece, which were accepted in order to, well, this is from a strategic point of view and in order to maintain a political democratic regime and a-ah and to some countries, for example, like hungary, there are now claims that there are problems with the rights of people with the rule of law and they are not such reliable partners and allies of other nato members , because i say that the most important thing , by and large, is that they do not meet the standards, formally yes, but the most important thing is actually political

expediency, which, let's say, is based first of all, on strategic calculations, turkey was important in order to hold the straits, to be actually close to critically important regions, and to contain the russian federation there or the soviet union . i want to mix in turkey and its current role there or, hmm, in the past, to what extent this country was developed and ready for the tasks that nato faced, but i'm just talking about the fact that political expediency, political will, they actually those calculations or some parameters that are even formally certified on paper prevail, so i hope that there will be an awareness that this war will not end until ukraine is part of nato with all territories with guarantees that will be extended to us because and now

i fear that the russian conflict may spread beyond the ukrainian territory . i am not talking about those missiles that fall on the territory of neighboring states when they attack us. of the military and at sea and in the air i am talking about the nuclear blackmail that is constantly used by the kremlin and it can end only when ukraine is under the umbrella of nato's ultra-nuclear staff, we know that the russian federation can say as much as it wants that america or nato are enemies and that they were preparing to destroy them, but they will not get to the real step of clicking or pressing the button , because they understand that their destruction is guaranteed. and that is why deterrence works

only when both sides are this unfortunately, the strategy is still being used in the west. they remain . and by the way, we saw that yesterday they announced a new aid package of 1.3 billion dollars. unfortunately, there are no operational-tactical missiles, but the truth is that there is another positive news, as if our british partners are considering the possibility of transferring we have missiles with a range of up to 300 km . these considerations are strategic, not to provoke russia, not to lead to a nuclear conflict, they deter certain of our partners, and we have to convince them that, on the contrary, everything will work it is this blackmail as long as ukraine remains outside the nato umbrella, perhaps the americans are counting on peace negotiations because henry kissinger, secretary of state in 1973-77, says that

real negotiations between ukraine and the russian federation are possible by the end of the year and says that he will act as a mediator in this situation china and e kissinger says that he could also join these negotiations, the 100-year-old among others kissinger should be 100 years old in may, if i am not mistaken this year, he says that he is not against the role of an advisor in the contacts of the united states of america from the russian side. how do you feel about such forecasts and such feelings of keying sources, well, considering what he said, uh, they are always heard in the world at least well, and discussed well, you know he was an adviser to putin for a long time therefore, he definitely does not need to acquire any new role, so he can continue to advise putin , since everything he advises fits very well into the line of behavior and thinking

of mr. putin. it seems to me that with people with such age and fate plays a bad joke, for example, with whom exactly is mr. khomsky, who is from a different political spectrum , what is his arab-political conflict , or rather, he is trying to stuff this matrix, or rather us, into this matrix , the same kissinger, his main achievement is that he actually pecked at the bait of the chinese that they actually blamed him for this rapprochement of the five united states when china had a lot of pressure on strained relations with the soviet union and it was actually beneficial for the chinese to the americans helped to increase china's defense capabilities and actually be on china's side in countering the soviet, possible soviet aggression, and actually he is trying to transfer this experience to the 21st century. the second

point is also very important that he is with that cohort who believes that it is not necessary to push russia towards china and he is wrong, because neither the chinese nor the russians, despite all this diplomatic rhetoric and such big statements on what pages do they sign, they will never join the union , because the russians believe that they are separate civilization by the way, they are the definition of the state, civilization, they stole from china from the chinese like everything else from other nations , and therefore they believe that they should be the political center, they do not want to be the best partners of china, although they are becoming more and more like that for the chinese we don't need such an unstable uncontrolled partner , but a weak one that will deal with these problems that russia has with the europeans, narrowing the space for the chinese to maneuver, that's why all these arguments that the kiss already voiced in the road accident don't really

work. russia will increase its dependence on china, but for the allies it will definitely not be one hundred percent, it will not be able to become an asian state, because it is actually asia, not europe. something in the middle , that’s exactly what all these ideas of learning the chinese language and being part of the asian space are. well , they are simply doomed, the collective will definitely not succeed if we if we are talking about the chinese plans, then there were these 12 points, er, the position, that is, what were the names of china’s positions regarding the political instigation of the ukrainian crisis, and this document is not at all about ukraine to the extent it is about china's relations with the united states and the desire not to worsen relations further than they are now, everything starts with respect for the territorial integrity and turning away the ato of all countries of the world, that is, the document seems to be about ukraine, but there is no mention of ukraine in the first paragraph, as for me, china is simply signaling that the important issue for them is taiwan

, and they have in mind, first of all, this, and not the restoration of the sovereignty of the territorial integrity of ukraine, and there are other points, such as not returning to the cold war mentality, and that critically important materials were not torn. that is, it is all about china, the united states, not at all about ukraine, and the statements that we heard from the highest representatives of china are not sisinping, but the minister of foreign affairs and one of the key party functionaries in the u.s. they actually tell the same fables as and the russians that this is the west has bullied ukraine to russia that this west does not want an end to this war and in fact at the beginning of the large-scale invasion america did not allow zelensky to agree to compromises with putin and actually

that's why this war is going on. they are against these, let's say, steps of the west that attack the so-called legitimate security interests of the russian federation, meaning the expansion of nato and actually in such and such a paradigm for ukraine , there is not much there for china, there would be patience for everyone it's good that ukraine lost in the first three days. it marked the decline of the west and it meant that the taiwan issue could be resolved earlier than the 27th year, but that didn't happen. the ukrainians broke all these plans of moscow and beijing, and now for china, balancing is the most it is important that they understand that they cannot do anything now, they cannot stop putin and cannot start helping nastya so that he changes something radically , because this will mean more export controls, more sanctions, non-sanctions regimes and a greater unification of countries that are now perhaps there are still some unpleasant neutral e in relation to china, but when they see such a role of china in this war, they may

be more on the side of the united states and its allies to extradite such to the region, so i do not believe that china is capable of radically changing something. i do not want china to have the right to formulate the european security architecture, that is, to actually deprive us of the opportunity to become nato members. i would not like to see china as a powerful wing that takes a powerful part in the reconstruction of ukraine, since this would mean an increase in dependence, as we saw on examples of asian or african countries where in fact the chinese are the masters in these countries , therefore, of course, any positive steps that china can take, it is very good, chinese money, investments, but ukraine needs

to what extent do we become dependent on chinese money and, accordingly, chinese policy ? can be implemented, as there is a quiet sap, the chinese can simply cut off a part of russia or at least take over a part of the resources that the russian federation currently possesses, well, you know , unlike russia, the chinese have a future in in the sense that they understand that their mission is growing, that their mission is also military and economic, and they don’t need to rush, and why should they seize siberia , roughly speaking, when they can actually absorb it quietly economically and then through economic levers and influence politics. since we see that china is the key a country that is currently helping russia

to stay afloat economically and in other ways, then they simply do not need anything but to have such a weak partner, if we are talking about planning a conflict around taiwan, then it seems to me that the chinese would really need to have a nuclear russia, and with such an arsenal, at least nominally, we do not know how combat-capable it is, what is the real number of uh-uh strategic, those inter-room bogs of ballistics, yes, but this factor is very important, at least it is definitely taken into account in the united states and therefore, in the event of a conflict over taiwan, china wants to count on russia, and since their interests are not america's perception, america's hegemony, which they call it, is joint, that's why they want it to use, but time will tell, er, in that i mean in the sense that the chinese do not need to rush in the russian direction, so they are now using the russians as

a battering ram of this system of global and international law and security in order to actually solve certain problematic problems with russian hands a question for myself, but now they definitely don’t need to rush to divide russia well, but i also think that they roughly understand what the west will do and what i have already said more than once i was afraid of another er speech. so er means kiev cutlet. because when russia begins to disintegrate, the first people who will try to keep it within such borders as you are will be the united states and european countries , because they do not want to have a dozen er embittered and armed with chemical, bacteriological and nuclear weapons are pseudo-formations that can actually pose a threat not only to themselves, that is why the chinese also count on such things

. thank you, oleksandr, for the conversation. this was oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign affairs and security policy of the center of defense strategies, diplomat, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks, in particular on facebook and youtube, for those who are watching us live now, please like this video and subscribe to our social networks and you can become a sponsor of our youtube channel, you will now see a qr-code link , by clicking on which you will receive detailed information on how to join the sponsor club, well, read our news on the espresso tv website for more up-to-date news from of ukraine in the world, as well as the front chronicle , everything is on our espresso tv website . further, we are in touch with the people's deputy of ukraine volodymyr vyatrovych p volodymyr good day good health to you

, i am glad to see you on our broadcast good day may 9 has now become one of europe. i know that you have been trying to push this issue for quite a long time and to put the historical dots on may 9. thank god that it happened. well , let's congratulate our tv viewers and viewers , because it is may 9, which is always kept us in orbit in russian orbit in soviet orbit post-soviet orbits what from now on in such a historical excursion what else is changing now and what uh or is this the final break already with what connected us behind the soviet union and with russia is really important and a double change because, on the one hand, we in fact refuse to define together with the russian federation may 9 as victory day

. the fall of the soviet union, it again became a key holiday, almost a quasi-religious holiday for the russian federation, it is obvious that russia used these celebrations to keep ukraine in the orbit of its influence , in the end, ukraine as a state refuses to celebrate the end of of the second world war in europe and will do it together with europe on may 8, we went a long way before that, indeed, at first these were public initiatives , and finally in 2015, the parallel was recorded in to the legislation, the parallelism of may 8 as a commemoration of reconciliation and may 9 as victory day over nazism, taking into account the fact that even then , around 67% of ukrainians considered may 9 a great holiday for themselves, as far as i remember, 59% even for 2017, but the situation began to change after a full -scale invasion, precisely because of that. last

year, my colleagues and i registered a bill that precisely predicted that ukraine would celebrate the end of world war ii in europe on may 8, and may 9 would be europe day and at the end of this year, the authorities dared to do this, at the end of this year, we took this final step of rejecting sovka, on the one hand, and on the other hand, we will celebrate europe day at the same time as europe, because it was very illogical. when ukraine, which declares its integration into the european union, for some reason celebrated on another day, the day of europe and not from the whole of europe. therefore, it is at the same time certain correct points relating to the past and very correct points are placed regarding the future, that is, ukraine has clearly fixed the european path of development of this changes putin talked a lot yesterday about the fact that the world is trying to rewrite history and constantly reproaches the world with this and says

that the world is against russia well, of course he does that, but uh, ani, the day before yesterday, ani, when he greeted representatives of different countries who took part in the second world war, and to put it more simply, in the soviet valley, it was called the great patriotic war by anya yesterday, and he did not in any way mention ukrainians as ukraine, although ukraine made a lot of efforts to win the second world war over german fascism, and our country suffered perhaps the most among european countries, because there is a lot of destruction, a lot of victims, in what way can we devalue this understanding or appropriation of the attempt to appropriate this history by putin in a way that we can counteract and prevent him privatize this holiday. i think that we are already doing it successfully, we are doing it successfully inside the country, and we are successfully doing it on the foreign front, because

the role of russia in the second world war is being rethought, and it is possible to see it very clearly yesterday, may 9, uh, especially compared to the example from may 9, 2005, when there were representatives of the 51st country at the parade on red square, now there are several representatives of authoritarian regimes from asian countries plus plus belarus self-proclaimed president - that's all that's all all the influence er president putin on the current planet earth and it is obvious that this shows that these concepts of his monopolization of the victory of the second world war are absolutely no longer working , there have been systemic fundamental changes in ukraine itself regarding the perception of the second world war after the world war, its reinterpretation is happening now, the same fundamental changes

regarding the understanding of the role of ukraine and ukrainians during the second world war and in the world, this is all already happening, it is happening precisely because of those constructions, it continues precisely because of this , it is completely discredited, and until recently, successful tactics when ukraine tried to cover up the crimes committed by russia today by monopolizing the victory over nazism instead ukraine's victories today in the confrontation between ukraine and russia show the potential ukrainians remind the world about ukraine, in particular, about ukraine during the second world war. yesterday, volodymyr, on the wall of the narf castle opposite ivan, a city appeared, or a city is ukrainian, a city, apparently , a poster with the inscription putin is a war criminal because of him appeared on the border bridge, on may 9, a meeting of representatives of russia and estonia took place, the russian side asked to remove the inscription, the mayor of narva, katria reik, stated that the poster was hung taking into account the requirements of the law

and with the permission of the police, since it is the border area, at the same time, there was information about who putin was sitting next to at this parade, and there were people there who, on the one hand, one person participated in the group commander, and not who participated in during the occupation of czechoslovakia by the soviet troops, he was the head of the group of the seventh directorate of the kdb of the ussr during the danube operation, and later he was appointed the commander of the terrorist group a alpha, which was created by andropa, and on the other side sat a man , colonel yuriy dvoikin, he is the one on the left , because you can see him in a cap in winter excelled 98th anniversary during

the great patriotic war , he took part in the liquidation of the underground of the ukrainian underground in the territory of western ukraine. 2005 was the 60th anniversary of the victory in the second world war, and the presidents of the united states of america, the federal chancellor of germany, and the prime minister of italy came to moscow at that time. can we say that this is the ideology on which the whole the russian regime and racism that he simply leaves and sooner or later he will simply be knocked out from under putin's fingernails i am absolutely sure that we can talk and you know, it seems to me that in the best scenario for putin, the scenario that will predict that russia will exist in a few years that will still live vladimir putin is like this, in the best case scenario, vladimir putin

will soon be the oldest participant in such a parade , there is no doubt that he no longer has anyone to sanctify these own shows, because there are actually no participants in the second world war left it is obvious that it is nicer for him to sit between two kg cities, in particular, and those that suppressed freedom in ukraine and in europe . i, too, got the complete impression of some absolute exhaustion of this show. and the members of the same putin lukoshenka, you know how minorro everything was that i thought it would be appropriate to impose on this whole show so, therefore, marison and sznd have frank and that is, it very much fit exactly with what we saw in except that it really the end is the end of this great myth that held the empire for so long, which means that this is also close to this empire

. well, if this whole picture was not enough, tell putin about how he burned somewhere in a tank in europe in 1945, liberating europe from the fascists well, if there is every chance to get into a tank and drive somewhere near bakhmut and experience all the necessary sensations well, i think that 's how it will be, actually, and at the end of our program, well, it's obvious that there will be a day in ukraine too victory only victory day over by the russian federation , what do you say about the events unfolding in the last few weeks in the last few months ? according to the dynamics of the last few months. it will take a long time, but the most important thing is that it is noticeable that russia has not fulfilled even the most meager and lowest of its plans

, i.e. to take bakhmut, either by the spring or even by may 9, that is, the absolutely heroic steadfastness of our defenders of the soldiers has completely broken the eye plans that is, we have we are witnessing a real exhaustion of the offensive of the russian federation. i think that the potential for some more large-scale actions in the near future, at least in russia, has been exhausted, and it is obvious that now a lot will depend on the success of the ukrainian countermeasures, because it can really radically change the course of this war. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for this optimistic note , let's put an end to our conversation. espresso tv channels and those who are watching us now on social networks can join our social networks

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draw conclusions frankly and impartially it's 2 p.m. in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel and in the studio of iryna koval greetings to all viewers and let's start with the most important events : the enemy fired artillery again at civilians in the city of vovchansk, kharkiv oblast. unfortunately, a civilian man died, according to preliminary information, one woman may still be under the rubble, all emergency services in the black sea are working on combat duty , there are 17 enemy ships, three of them are caliber carriers , the naval forces reported that the general hall of