[000:00:00;00] it's not all in vysochan, we have to say goodbye, say goodbye, more precisely, we will involve our colleague serhiy rudenko with his verdict program in our marathon, so let's watch it together and see you soon on the air, of course, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko. have a good day and good health to everyone today, may 10, 441 heroic day against the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers over the past day , the armed forces of ukraine have shot down six enemy drones in the sky over ukraine. three of them are chess-type, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi reports refused the meeting with the heads of the nato general staff in brussels, which is taking place today. well, due to the difficult operational situation at the front , the commander-in-chief of the armed forces

of ukraine reported that at the judo championship in qatar , spectators with st. george's ribbons were expelled. forces and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of may 10, russia has already lost 196,000,310 people in ukraine in the last day alone, and ukrainian forces have destroyed 690 orks since the beginning of the great war the russians have already lost in ukraine 3736 tanks 7275 armored combat vehicles 339 artillery systems 555 rocket systems fire hall 308 anti -aircraft defenses 308 aircraft 294 helicopters 5974 units of automotive equipment 18 boats boats 970 cruise missiles 2624 drones 389

units of special equipment the occupiers are fleeing from - under bahmuta live shield for putin japan is taking a step donato we will talk about all this and about other things during the next hour i want to introduce our first guest today - this is oleksandr khara, an expert on of foreign and security policy issues of the center for defense strategies mr. oleksandr good day, good health to you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast. good day, mr. serhiy , too, let's start with yesterday's events , one way or another, yesterday , the leaders of the post-soviet countries from central asia gathered in moscow plus armenia plus the self-proclaimed president of belarus lukashenka and we know that this meeting that took place yesterday on red square was impromptu because

as of may 8, only the leader of kyrgyzstan confirmed that he will be in moscow, then during a work visa, during a work visit, he attends a parade according to yours. what happened yesterday , why did putin need the leaders of these countries? well, why did they actually fly to moscow when they clearly understood that anything could happen outside of red square and the ukrainians warned about this. well, i think that the lonely tyrant wanted to show that he is not in lonely, that there are some allies or junior partners there. of course, this was russia's plan, plus to show that russia has this influence, at least somewhere especially. taking into account that after the west fenced itself off and began to reduce its dependence at first and in general there is a number of the russian federation so russia re-rented on this republic , well, by the way, very interesting statistics, just last week, were made public regarding

how and how much the trade of the european union with these countries has increased. well and of course that they are all due not to the rise in the standard of living in central asian countries , but actually to the fact that they belarus enjoyed the war in ukraine and traded with the west, helping to put distance. this is how these central asian countries are actually doing it now. it is very interesting that, for example, the export of german goods to kyrgyzstan will increase by 994%, and to tajikistan 150. and a large amount dual-use goods are sent primarily through kazakhstan to the russian federation, so of course it was important for them to be present there, as the president of all the republics, although by and large

we can see for sure in the last we see them in a language that is too big, even as in the holidays, because what is happening is that russia is losing the ability to influence this region and will no longer play such a role in the economic and most important safety equipment as the chinese throw on may 18 , let's say they will give five of the presidents of the central asian republics in china for the purpose of carrying out exactly yes with an infinitive and well , let's actually say that it was a symbolic transfer of the colony from moscow to petri. you can say that, but they needed to be there because if russia cannot protect or to solve their problems, it can create for them, for example, the same ones for kazakhstan , or is it more

? it seems to me that it is a shame for the kazakhs to help russia to get by where they can earn some money now, but in this way they will follow a rather aggressive and unpredictable group that has interests , including in northern kazakhstan, so let's see, let's hope that it means we in fact, we will end the life of this chemistry, it simply will not have the opportunity to convalesce somewhere else, including in central asia, well, that is, you are convinced that there will be a parade on may 9, 2024, or there will be no parade at all, or there will be no one there anymore, well , in fact, it was yesterday let's say goodbye to putin correctly. farewell to a slavic woman. i absolutely agree, because in principle, with our war, or rather, a war against us, putin

is killing all the fundamental myths of the russian empire, then the soviet union. well, modern russia cannot be a third rome because there is the orthodox church of ukraine, most of the parishes, most of the churches are located on our territory, that is, russia does not have the argument that it is the largest orthodox country, and in fact, it has some kind of separate dialogue with this third rome , which is essentially us. managed to take russian land, and not by hybrid means, as was the case with yanukovych and then the hybrid war of 514. well, now it is clear that ukraine was not handed over to them, but after planting a soviet myth - this is a victory in the great war, saving the world from nazism. things, well, i didn't listen to 100 speeches. but it is possible to listen to putin, but i read him. yes, this is a parallel reality, so that russia actually

won this war, saved the world, and now it is doing the same. and the west, like the nazis of their time, started this real war against the russia and then even expressed his regret that the ukrainians are suffering, that is, i don’t know some conditional good ukrainians of this conflict , which they didn’t start, but they are used somehow and written, but in any case, the myth of the victorious, invincible russia and the victorious in the plan of victory over nazism or fascists led to the explosion, and they actually wrote down the answer to us, these qualities are dissipated significantly , that is, nothing else can be built on it, and that is precisely why russia will not have any ecological grounds or foundations to continue to exist, because the paintings in which she is because explain uh there let’s say the same outmur there or i don’t know burya there why do they have

russian ones now when somewhere they didn’t manage to beat the ukrainian national poster it will be extremely difficult and therefore find something new not ethnic, non-historical, not returned to the past, but to the future, er, this regime definitely cannot , therefore , it actually exhausts itself. and here we see. able to exist considering that all myths will simply be destroyed and without forests, states do not exist if they are built based on the past and not on the ideas of some drawings mr. oleksandr yesterday we were waiting for the statement of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine and we waited for the visit of the leaders of six former

post-soviet states to the parade to putin the foreign policy department of ukraine condemned the participation of the leaders of armenia, kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan, tajikistan, turkmenistan, uzbekistan, as well as the self-proclaimed president of belarus in the parade to the war criminal at the same time at the same time we saw at this parade when the so-called patriarch of moscow was next to the war criminals and all of russia, and against this background, there are again many questions about the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and about the status of the church to which the moscow church is related. why , according to you, does the ministry of foreign affairs condemn the visits of leaders of the post-soviet countries on a parade to the war criminal, the ukrainian authorities are so leisurely trying to put the dots in the work of the rpc branch in ukraine, despite the fact that he is cyril, he is next to putin, he is

blessing those already soldiers to kill ukrainians. well, he is, in principle, an accomplice or a sharer vladimir putin and this should somehow be expressed in some certain decision regarding the banning of the branch of the russian communist party. is this after all not a political issue and some socio-political one that does not directly relate to yesterday's event? i think that there is two aspects of internal political ukrainian stability in ukraine are clear, since russian this church building has launched its tentacles quite deep into the ukrainian territory, we see that even such territories that are more in the west of ukraine are located and should have been less under the influence of russian propaganda, but there is also a riot

of flowers in april the russian peace and, of course , it was difficult to talk with the parishioners. imagine all the people, they believe that this is the only correct christian church that exists and it will grant salvation and we will tell them that the patriarch hides bloody what he is for the person who supports both morally and organizationally these forces of invasion since the 14th year of course that they don't believe everything, it seems to them that this is america or some trials of the devil and something like that, that's why i think that our, let's say, our state leadership is considering, let's say, an approach to reduce the influence or presence or even the existence of this branch of the moscow church in ukraine from the point of view of social and political stability in ukraine, and the external factor - this is the usual reaction of our western partners, it is clear that

it is now more adequate than it was before , because sometimes we were accused of encroaching on the rights of ethnic pushins, well, first of all , russian, russian-speaking and also precisely religious freedoms, although in fact we do not have any problems with any other christianity of course, they should be finally deprived but i understand why there is such a cautious charge, although it seems to me that actually, during the time when er is being committed in such a way, when er is supported by the russian patriarchs, it was

absolutely and time to step down and actually ban fsb offices in ukraine for that so that the skazh would not have the opportunity to influence internal politics, and secondly , the most important thing is to use this time when it will be the least painful for our reputation in the west on education, because everyone understands the essence of this presence of this church in this is why ukraine received reports that they are going to open a nato office in japan. of course, this caused a reaction in asia , because this is the first such office of the north atlantic alliance. the chinese say that this is unacceptable, although we know that japan is not is a member of the north atlantic alliance, but it turns out that russia's war against ukraine

has activated all countries towards the north atlantic alliance finland has already joined nato sweden is on the way and japan is now showing curtseys towards nato japan understands that it is better to be with the strong than to constantly suffer from the chinese side and the threats of the chinese side of the north korean side , what do you think the japanese want in this situation? no, and it is obvious that this story with the nato office of japan would never have happened if there had not been a war between russia and ukraine, according to you, china still considers the long-term perspective of

what they can become as a perspective for the members of the north atlantic alliance. well, you know, if you look at the map, the japanese are even less lucky than us. because we have a big crazy nuclear neighbor. and they have three . they have north korea. its aggressive behavior and rhetoric in relation to talvan and we know that japan is actually under the nuclear and general security umbrella of the united states and the same the same the same the same fakinava island is a base for american forces in the event of a conflict between china and taiwan the united states will normally be involved, they will defend this island, and of course what this will mean is that the first rocket

was launched on february 24, 2022. -bases and on e-e you are a military object, then the same thing can happen on the first day of the offensive or return and ivaniv gavan by force of arms by the chinese. that is, strikes will be made on e-e and on south korea and on japan and it is clear that they are trying now speed up your weapons literally a month that's why they bought tomahawks there. well, in principle, i understand that the japanese have big plans, although in fact, just the other day, i spoke with a japanese former diplomat. he said that, unfortunately, society has not yet fully realized the dangers that exist. that's how they support the increase in spending . for defense, but this money is still not enough to catch up with the gaps in the capabilities that japan needs to defend itself, first of all, not to mention

playing a role as a member of the security alliance with the united states, that's why it seems to me to be a very positive step. and by the way, this is one of the reasons why the chinese are constantly talking about the fact that legitimate security in the interests of the russian federation should also be taken into account. china opposes nato because, like the russian federation, china, it would be easier to understand whether to influence or, let's say, to carry out such aggressive actions against countries that are not members of the alliance , that is exactly why they oppose the four , they oppose any networks that the americans create in the region in order to restrain this growing aggressive role of china, that's why they will be dissatisfied, they will say that the americans are destabilizing the situation , although in fact, on the contrary, over the last year, the chinese have increased the number

of launchers for football missiles , well, in fact, they are going to increase the number of nuclear launchers many times and thus achieve the same parity which so far is between the russian federation and the united states in terms of strategic nuclear warheads and means of delivery and-and then we see that by the 27th year the chinese armed forces must be ready to take over taiwan , this does not mean that it will happen in the 27th year, but it was a clearly set task for the empire. well, actually , against the background of these statements, against the background of building up military capabilities, and violating taiwan's airspace what china is doing is also compatible. by the way, with the russian federation , training near the japanese shores near taiwan , all this shows that the situation is not tense, and it is not the japanese who

want to open an office, but primarily beijing, which sees opportunities in speeding up the unification with taiwan and ending its civil war and establishing hegemony in asia and then in the world. in may, the ban on flights by russian airlines and the sale of tours to this country was also lifted . in addition, the ministry of foreign affairs of the russian federation canceled the recommendation to russians to refrain from traveling to georgia, so moscow bows to tbilisi and tries to play with georgians. we know that er georgia closed its embassy in 2008 and all visa issues regarding russia were handled by it, if i

'm not mistaken, the embassy of switzerland in the russian federation . georgians, well, it is clear that he is trying to get the maximum resources he can in order for us to continue this war in order to maintain social and economic stability in the russian federation , yes, the sanctions are quite painful, those that were introduced in relation to russia, but in the end, the russians manage to keep it in these balance sheets in the country, and therefore it is clear that georgia, by the way, also increased its exports to the russian federation by more than a third , by the way. the export of western goods is the same. thus, in fact, russia is trying to solve its urgent problems, which are painful now. i don't think that this can somehow fundamentally change anything. on the one hand, there are georgian

people who clearly do not support this aggression. who remembers the year 2008 first of all and of course who opposes the support of the russian regime and on the other hand there is a geography which no one can remove because the russian federation is too close to try to do something stupid and evil for georgians again e p oleksandr , the meeting of the nato military committee started today in brussels, in his introductory speech , the secretary general of the north atlantic alliance alliance stoltenberg said that it is necessary to prepare for a dangerous future, because war actually threatens all of europe, we will hear from

toltenbergs are preparing for such a dangerous future we must redouble our efforts to ensure security for our citizens high right of the administration we see that uh authoritarian regimes really challenge democracy and our security and so we have to keep this in mind and also there are manifestations of terrorism and cyber attacks and also the threat of climatic we must increase our efforts in the face of such a new era of strategic competition and also let er create those challenges that stand before us on the lines thank er to our colleagues to the generals and new members of nato, in particular the representative of finland, and together we will fear multiple threats that come from different nato military committee head admiral ropp bauer said that valeriy luzhuj, commander-in-chief of the armed forces

of ukraine refused to meet with the ranks of the nato general staff in brussels due to the difficult operational situation on at the front, he said literally the following . of russian aggression will not be able to take part in the meeting of the nato military committee even via video link, considering mr. oleksandr that this meeting of the military committee is taking place almost simultaneously with the expectation of a counteroffensive by the armed forces of ukraine to change the situation on the russian-ukrainian front according to your opinion, can the nato military committee taking into account what stoltenberg said that there is a danger for the future of not only ukraine but also all of europe to resort to some drastic decisions regarding the future of ukraine as well. i

mean preliminary approval or let's say this discussion of even the possibility of ukraine joining nato. well, and ukraine receiving modern equipment, in particular, f-16 aircraft from nato member countries. well, you know, i think , first of all, the people who have gathered now will discuss the military aspects of the situation in and in ukraine, of course and in europe as a whole, but they are definitely outside their positions not the ones who determine whether the aid in ukraine is the speed of its provision there or the list of e-e weapons or is it their own decision that ukraine should be, whose will give the signal there or should we start this step steps on the way to membership. of course, what is this decision? it is the highest level that there should be representatives of the political level to accept it, and of course that now

ukraine is actively working. in the statements to accumulate a certain amount of uh , let's say so words in our support so that we get a clear signal on the eve of the eve of exactly that . that's what we will expect . the gray zone is the danger, they are greater for europe, including and not only for ukraine, and that is exactly why a decision will be made so that ukraine becomes a member of nato as soon as possible. to be honest, i do not think that this will happen while we are fighting, but the window of opportunity will open according to the results i hope for a quick and successful counteroffensive by our armed forces and then, of course, what will happen. it is important that there is already at least internal resistance in some countries, especially france and germany , so that they understand that it is impossible to build this

integral security from vladivostok to lisbon that this is a delusion that this is a mistake in thinking that russia will always pose a threat as long as it is in those borders and that is precisely why the free world should be fenced off and ukraine should be part of this free world and georgia and moldova and i hope in the future belarus also, and actually only in this configuration, russia will have no other, let's say, opportunities to influence europe and then they will take care of their own affairs and their own lives. well, i don't believe it d- to the end, but at least they will have such a chance that's why it is this meeting is important, but i understand why er-e zaluzhny did not take part in it, since in fact the issues of the war are now the most important, first of all, and secondly , such decisions are not made here, where er, his word could prevail over some positions and give we need more support or faster

support or some other things. that is why this is a pragmatic step. the measure is important but not so important. how to leave current affairs at the front. by the way , the secretary general of nato and ann stolten in an interview with the washington post said that all the countries of the alliance agree to the accession of ukraine, all nato allies agree that ukraine will become a member of the alliance, all allies agree that ukraine has the right to choose its own path to resolve non-moscow and kyiv problems, all allies agree that nato's doors remain open, by the way alexander about this door and this window of opportunity as you said, stoltenberg is talking about the door, we are talking about the window of opportunity, but in this situation, obviously everyone is waiting for the nato city summit and

some certain steps of the north atlantic alliance towards ukraine, we understand that our army now meets nato standards because the weapons are the most modern in the ukrainian army, that those who fight on the russian-ukrainian front are well prepared and have much more experience than the soldiers or soldiers of the member countries nato members, according to you, how much time can objectively pass until the moment when we say whether we are the 34th or 35th members of the north atlantic alliance and somewhere near the mariinsky palace we will raise such a flag, a nato flag, and declare about the fact that we are a country that is part of this commonwealth. well, of course, i would like us to be 33, and the number is beautiful. yes, and this is right after sweden, but by and large, i

agree with the fact that our troops have shown that they are capable first of all to be modernized on the go during the war, it is capable of replenishing the most modern models of technology, and you know that. even now, they are making fun of the americans, who just a few months ago said that patriot is such a complex system that ukrainians need a long time to master it. and now they say, well ukrainians definitely shot it down dagger hyper-missile. that is, these indicators are very important. of course, from the point of view of democratic civilian control, we do not meet any other such important parameters from the point of view of the political system, but even if this was not the case, let's look at the history of the alliance and we will see that, for example, the same west germany was included in the ranks of the alliance