[000:00:00;00] no, it is absolutely not enough, and even if it is a criticism of our ministry during the period in which i was in the management team , i perceive and accept it as absolutely normal, because i will say frankly, we have repeatedly conducted various brainstorming sessions regarding the discussion and solution of fundamental issues in this in this case, yes, i would like to say that there is no single point of view. for example, i have always been a supporter of the application of the mechanism of partial deprivation of civil rights , that is, people who, although they did not commit war crimes and, well, the question of treason homeland in relation to them is probably inappropriate. but at the same time, they cooperated with the occupiers, that is, there is a mechanism that is used in many countries of the world, and partially

deprivation of civil rights of such people for a certain period, for example, for 10-15-20 years, these people cannot be elected they can work on state facades, they cannot be elected and cannot be elected , her stubborn position at that time did not find a response in the environment, we are their colleagues, although i will say frankly , the closer a person lives to those territories, the more we will increase our understanding, and it will come to such a situation of my topic and unfortunately, neither then nor now, no decision was made in this regard, and the facts are already unknown, and the mass media report that even now , events are already taking place in the liberated territories, which, from my point of view

, simply disgrace our state when the head of the village who helped the occupiers a-a in kharkiv oblast, for example, this happened and he stood before the court and the court issued an unbelievably and decisive heavy expression 2 years conditions, well, i personally, as a person, as the father of a soldier, i cannot accept such court decisions thank you, george tuka, deputy minister for temporarily occupied territories, 16-19 years old, participated in our broadcast, interesting information, interesting discussion. thank you for your participation . andriy reva, the minister of social policy of ukraine, also 16-19 years old, is waiting for us. mr. andriy, we congratulate you, you must have heard at the end of our conversation with george tukha, you also have a similar question . unfortunately, today is the sad anniversary

of the so-called referendum on the formation of this so-called horde. and what should we do, mr. andrii, now with these territories, which will obviously be released in the near future and mainly with the people who lived there for nine years, do we have a clear vision of social policy and humanitarian policy? well, in general, the policy regarding these territories and these people with the right to vote, in particular. what did we talk about? you don't know what to do, you need to act according to the law, er, before the war , more than five and a half million ukrainian citizens lived in these territories, and at the beginning of the war, more than two million of these citizens went abroad

of the occupied territory. that is, these are the people who did not want to accept the occupation and did not stay in this territory and left for the territory controlled by the ukrainian government. of course , there were different people there, but you understand very well that the majority of them. could not survive sama sama practiced part remained in what remained for various reasons remained as those who in principle positively perceived the occupiers who called them there and there were many, many we need to forget about it and those events of 2014, we need to remember well who was ukrainian about the ukrainian activists in donetsk who went to rallies russia help who was waiting for two pensions and so on there were enough of them this audience remained during the occupation and it is in the majority

the majority of the second part are people who, for certain reasons , were unable to leave due to family circumstances . well, my mother was sick there, my parents were sick and left. it was impossible to leave . it was impossible. they were forced to stay there. there were people who they were absolutely on the drum. you know what kind of government will come, the reds will come, that means this kind of water. the power will be transferred to the whites, there will be such a government, and they also left there, that is, for any number of reasons, but a certain part of the people remained there and until a certain time they could afford not to take part in the in the events conducted by the collaborator authorities. but every year , being in the occupied territory, they became more and more involved in this occupation regime, and it was difficult enough to live without taking part in the actions of the collaborators. a part still also left, who understood what it all leads to, threw everything and left, but

those who stayed, in one way or another, for any of the reasons that i just said, remained in the occupation whether we want it or not. she in nine years these people have already ceased to be pro-ukrainian, even theoretically, with the exception of some individuals who may be fighting underground against the occupation regime, and today, to this day, you will not find a single family in the occupied territory in which any of the adult men from their family for example, mr. andriyem was not drafted into the occupation army, please clarify now, i apologize, you are saying that the people who remained living in the currently occupied territories , the previously occupied territories, the entire contingent of people who are ukrainian citizens as of may 10-11, 2020, the 23rd, are pro-russian people, these are people who have already become pro-russian despite perhaps even their own

reluctance, they are fighting against ukraine, especially men, today it is mobilized , it is fighting. the ukrainian army. i don't accept those who defected to our side came to our side, well, this is a single fact, but the bulk of these people today are not just pro-russian, they are active participants in the war against ukraine . people from the temporarily occupied territories of crimea are listening and we are talking about the fact that today full mobilization has been going on for a whole year in these territories, these people are being called en masse to join the occupation army and they are waging a war please look at the informational messages of even the same bloggers from the opposite side who say that they practically won over everyone even in the occupied

mariupol today after the occupiers captured it. they are already mobilizing by sending these people to fight against ukraine, this is a huge problem to belittle and not necessary, but if there is a ukrainian army, i would not like us to sort it out there now. territories with these people p andriyu well, as i say, how to figure it out, you still named three three groups of people, how to figure it out after the deoccupation and who will have what rights in the future as part of our single freed ukrainian democratic state and duties, too, what am i saying about this one it will be necessary to treat those people who remained there in a differentiated way, it is necessary to remember that all of them were involved in this activity in one way or another, and if we approach everyone in this way, they are all collaborators, they are all gone, then it will be absolutely

wrong, we will have to deal with what was the motivation of everyone who stayed there? and what did they have to go through in these conditions? therefore, those who were actively involved in collaborative activities, who, by the way, submitted an application to ukraine for a russian passport before the 40th tuesday, this is one category, everyone agrees, these are voluntary russians who will stay today. so who will not run away when the ukrainian army comes there. i believe that these people who voluntarily accepted russian citizenship in relation to a large-scale plan when they could choose to be or not to be russian citizens they are needed just release everyone, deport them, they have no visa to live in ukraine , they are deprived of ukrainian citizenship themselves because the president, as you know, has opened a new practice, he can terminate the citizenship of people who voluntarily acquired the citizenship of the aggressor country, and they should simply be deprived of ukrainian citizenship and deported those who openly declared that they are russians

. well, please, russians live in russia, citizens of russia, on the free territory of ukraine and received a passport, a russian foreigner. and i let me remind you that even in lviv during the soviet times they had soviet passports , what should we lvivians do now in our country? number of people, and it will be unfair because you don't hear me. i said that there are different categories of people in the occupied territory. i am now talking about the category that, before the large-scale actors voluntarily being there in the territory , went to rostov peace. by the way, they are not they accepted passports in the donetsk region, they went to neighboring russia if they are in russia without that. of course, thank you for that , for sure, they went personally voluntarily without coercion , then by the way, they took a russian passport . i think that this category of people should simply

be deported, they voluntarily accepted russian citizenship sorry , russian citizens must live in russia. then there are people who are now being forced to take passports. by the way, in crimea , 100% of the people they passported are those who were forced to take passports because when occupied the crimea, they did not ask the question that you should turn to the reserve, that is, they all of them. let's say yes. together, they issued passports . this is a completely different situation . therefore , it is necessary to understand who. ordlo territories, along with the process where the decision is made, we need to deal with what happened there. and every scoundrel who advocated a referendum, who called on the russian army, who took concrete actions

against the ukrainian state, they should be to suffer the punishment as it was the punishment of the former nazi criminals in germany , not all germans are there anymore. we will forgive these crimes committed against ukraine by certain people who live there. maybe they even have a ukrainian passport to this day. i think it will be in advance . civil servants because there is not enough money for all of them. that is why this process started. what is happening to other categories: military, business , vpu, teachers, doctors? andriyu, i wanted to ask you first, in the 23rd year, the state stopped paying allowances to civil servants in most executive bodies, and the employees who remained in the civil service are now have to perform many more

tasks for significantly less money, what can this lead to, is this process really a mass layoff, please, sometime otto von bismarck very often by the way quotes this phrase that said that with bad laws and good officials it is quite possible to manage the state, but if the officials are bad, then the best law will not help . who consumes them only as budget money, and therefore it is necessary to reduce them in some way , reduce them, cut them down, well, look at what we have achieved. the greens about the return of 30,000 allowances for the military what do you think they are so resistant to? well, don't they understand that 30,000 is never too much money for the military

, the police and everyone else there, they are worried about one point in this amendment that was adopted, what is there there is a salary limit here, the management of state-owned enterprises , that is, it is not about private companies, but those who receive millions of salaries and for whom they introduced a ceiling, that is, a limit on the maximum salary that does not apply to 95% of officials in to ukraine and the employees of the budget sphere, here you see how they would shout against populism, let the head of ukrnafta receive 3.2 million a month. let there mean, god forbid, smilyansky. there, he will receive less than a million. well, let the head of naftogaz be there, god forbid less. to receive a million a month this is the same for liza , this is how we can survive all this, what is the problem, and the one who cuts the salaries of officials today is deliberately destroying the state apparatus, this cannot be done. my wife is a teacher

, they started to reduce their wages in connection with the war her salary today is about 20% less than what she received arbitrarily. she teaches children, and they teach today in much worse conditions, because it is necessary and er in online mode. andrii, we do not have a defense of the greens, but simply an argument of their campaign that there is no money on this payment, how much is needed for this, half a trillion , it seems that there is no money, and the salaries of top officials cannot be limited, since they will then go into private business. although i myself doubt that he will be paid the same amount in private business. here will remain well, not the eyes that will not know how to manage state companies, well, this is their argumentation of the pd, but the question here is that and why not divide the changes into a cone? it seems like it was yes well, so divide the changes, let's leave the restrictions for officials with otherwise if she were not an institution. by the way, during the discussion of the budget, the deputies

, for example, specifically asked whether the financial support of the army was provided in full, and the minister of finance assured everyone that everything was fine, that is, of these 150 billion, if they did not lie, they were not now when they were removed first in february, suddenly they started telling that there is no 150 billion, well, that's when you told the truth, when the budget was accepted, or when you were cymbals , now the most important thing is, let's talk, please, very briefly, very briefly, 150 billion . 5 million uah, of which 400 billion is printed by the national bank just straight from the text, and that is, in principle , in principle, the printing press is working, will it print 400, or will it print 550 of this ? from this, inflation was calculated by one of our the best economists of ukraine, oleksiy kush

, will rise by a maximum of 1%, is this 1%? it is worth it not to give these 30,000 uah to the military. thank you, the rhetorical question has become simple . yes, thank you. andriy yarylo. i was introduced to the social politics of ukraine, 16-19 years old. thank you for your participation. we will continue this discussion with representatives of the other side. brings industry leaders, innovators , investors and government officials from all over europe , including switzerland and ukraine, and will bring together experts, real projects from various fields, contact us anna derevyanko, executive director of the european business association with meadows as i understand it, anna, congratulations glory to ukraine congratulations to the heroes, tell us a little about the oldest important forum for ukraine and its main goal, i'm asking him it will start soon, now the guests have already started arriving, we see that there are many businessmen and in order for them to make contributions to the ukrainian economy and actually in the stage of reconstruction

of our state, and i know that they are definitely something are preparing, therefore, we really hope that these next two days will be interesting for business, that there will be many, um, very significant and interesting contacts, and i wish at least this to everyone, and i hope that we will make investments after these two days in the meadows, well, this is what ms. anna is saying about state investments or about private investments, it is also important for representatives of ukrainian swiss investments. i understand that way, or vice versa, i just don’t quite imagine how a businessman from lugano or from some zurich, geneva, etc. no, i know one from geneva, who is here in the dnipro, yes, there is a business there, and igor oleg valeryovych, but that some authentic swiss will come to ukraine and invest money in a business in the territory where hostilities are taking place, it is difficult for me to imagine , if you are honest, tell me about yourself, in fact,

you are not far from in reality, the swiss do not have a very high appetite for investing in risky territories, which actually when we meet with them, we see a certain kind of urgency about them investing in ukraine, they should they need to be helped to prepare for this and ukraine needs to demonstrate certain steps in order to improve the business environment and the main issue is the rule of law and the movement to fight corruption is the number one issue for them, but at the same time, come on let's not forget that there are also some state support and state investments, and if we say that switzerland can develop mechanisms for political we say either insurance against political risks or export insurance

, if they will do it in ukraine, then such tools will help not so determined swiss people to take steps in the direction of ukraine and the actual meaning of this forum is to give impetus to swiss business or swiss investments in the direction of ukraine, and of course ukrainians find opportunities on the global arena and find contacts that would help them to be successful in different markets. because people from different regions are supposed to gather here, it can be switzerland, france, italy, spain , austria, germany. in fact, many people are coming to luhansk today. i wonder how many people will gather here. well, to be honest, we are hoping for at least 200 people who will turn up. and here , if we talk about the proportion, what i feel is that i will be interested to check how it will actually be , well, the proportion will now be more in the direction of the number of ukrainians than the swiss, because switzerland itself is a small country and

there are not so many swiss here. well, in general , people who can appear on the forum, but nevertheless, if there are 50-70 of them there, it will be a big victory for our country. let's see. well, we're actually keeping our fingers crossed and hoping that everything should be fine. well, madam, is there an understanding of which areas are the most desirable for potential investors in the sphere of the ukrainian economy? well, actually, when we meet with various businesses abroad, uh, but we just have an additional a structure has been created for the european business association as our eccentric business unit is called global business for ukraine and it gives a mandate to meet with various foreign players on the global market and when we meet with investors we see or with players in the business environment we see that they are really interested in what kind of company we have global clears solutions that offers some

solutions specifically to clean up our lands therefore it can be militarized, that is, military ships can be in that what actually, well, we will wait for offers and offer ours. thank you. and on derevyanko , the executive director of the european business association was aware of the connection, well, now we have a pause on the air after a pause, news after news, we will return, wait and climb the stairs old injuries and sprains constantly remind of themselves with sharp pain you need help the knee brace moves easily a reliable helper for the joints order right now with a discount for only 199 hryvnias tightly fixes will reduce stress and tension and significantly improve blood flow the knee brace moves easily gives incredible lightness and comfort the secret of movement is three-dimensional fixation of the knee joint and reliable support of the muscular skeleton see how easy it is to use

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