[000:00:00;00] the situation with the resolution of the issue of the moscow orthodox church, which today is directly subordinated to the enemy of russia , must be resolved only in a legislative way, because there are many parishes located in different parts of our country without the law, we will not be able to move, the procedure for today is too complicated it is so complicated that the parishioners themselves, if there is no political will on the ground, just 90 percent of them cannot do it themselves . believe me, i went through it together with the mayor of ivano-frankivsk in the parish on in ivano-frankivsk it is a very difficult process as of today's legislation, because it concerns whether there will be draft laws. well, in fact, everything is there. i even believed that in

december, when the president, in such an introductory speech to the parliament that he gave, hinted that we will get rid of all kinds of there were priests who got carried away with the rattle of everything in the world, but in fact it was not what was needed, that is, i had hope that we would vote, then they sharply registered the government bill. he is not very strong, but he though you know, we thought it was at least a drop in the ocean, the committee supported another bill of our colleague yazhytskyi, where i am also him with 1.5 and others . my colleagues, we thought that maybe there is already a chance through the committee committee, there are my personal bills already a year and a half ago, the issue was registered globally, recently the secretary danilov told us that this is some kind of special operation being conducted by russia against us and now we cannot touch on this issue if i

answered somewhere that if we have different special operations , then after 2014 we already have so much hair that we should have gotten used to it and to make our national security policy for today through legislative and instruments actually getting rid of the moscow orthodox church through laws is the only way to gain this spiritual national security of ours thank you ms. oksana savchuk people's deputy of ukraine worked live on espresso tv channel they discussed lustration and so-called legislative initiatives regarding the ukrainian orthodox church mp we are going further 17:00 - 32 minutes the european commission said that there are legal grounds to use the assets of the russian federation for reconstruction ukraine, what is it really important and we need money for the reconstruction of ukraine, we will not have enough in any case, because the destruction is rampant. therefore, the european commission

has confirmed that it has developed legally acceptable options for the use of russian and private and state assets, which is important , the spokesman of the european commission, christian wiegant, said today according to him, as of now on the territory of the eu, the assets of russian individuals and legal entities that are under eu sanctions are frozen in the amount of about 24 billion i ot e-e hm one million euros the sanctions do not provide for the confiscation of these assets, as this violates the legislation, so there they made a proposal to criminalize the violation of eu restrictive measures and eu orders, and relevant discussions with other eu institutions have already made significant progress , what are we waiting for from great britain, another good news, we have already reported that ben volons their the minister of defense stated that the storm shed missiles will be transferred to ukraine - this is an extremely important story. well, the second good

news is that all the promised challenger 2 tanks are already in ukraine, the minister of defense also noted this great britain band wallace quoting the minister of defense of the united kingdom. i know that all our tanks have arrived in the country. they are all already in ukraine. they were trained both here in britain and later in ukraine. i know that the ukrainian troops are using them . this is good news. about the secret peacekeeping mission of pope francis and in touch with us anatolii babinskyi, a lecturer at the catholic university, a member of the institute of church history and a doctor of theology glory to ukraine, mr. anatolii so it is secret is there a peacekeeping mission of the pope, because he declares it in the vatican, they say that there is a mission in ukraine and in russia

, they say that they have not heard anything, glory to the heroes, the mission definitely exists , but you know that it did not arise yesterday, uh , the peacekeeping mission of the pope, i think it started on the first the day of the war when he visited the russian embassy, ​​why i say this is because the vatican always tries to play the role of a mediator in any conflicts and i have no doubt that from the first days the pope has been trying to do this. as for these latest statements, there really is a certain kind of i would say the misunderstanding is because the pope declares that something is going on in ukraine and russia , they say that they don't know anything. later, the vatican denies it, they say, no, negotiations are underway, but they attribute it to some bureaucratic procedures, which they say has not yet reached those people. to which it is necessary and later stefano zamany, the former director of the pontifical social academy, says that the peace plan turns out to have been made a few months ago

, er, and er, although when he says that it was developed a few months ago, it is exactly the same time, approximately, the pope said that there is no plan, that is, there is some kind of misunderstanding, i suspect, and from all that i managed to find out or read somewhere from various vaticanists, what are some certain steps being prepared now to put an end to this war, and how is a model proposed or such a theory put forward about the fact that the pope can now send several high-ranking vatican officials to kyiv and moscow, that is, to both capitals , who will bring there a kind of road map and proposals, how would it be possible to start all this now, that is, it is clear that it will be a long way, and as an example, the attempt of ivan paul ii in 2003 to stop

the operation of the united states of america in iraq is given as an example. as we know, ivan pavlov ii did not succeed then. in principle, there are enough more viewers skeptical that pope francisco will succeed today. as far as i know, this is the first such point. so , there must be an immediate ceasefire, and all the viewers i have read or heard agree that neither side will go for it today. yes, mr. anatoly, we understand. what is the key story like can the enemy use the ceasefire, we understand that it is about the additional staffing of the enemy contingents and so on and so on , but if we talk about the real, not so declarative influence of the throne of the most holy well, and accordingly, the state secretary of the vatican, pietro parulina almost

told panzolinia yes, well, he did not slander this is the main thing. well, the key story of his time, er , the russian dictator stalin was quite so contemptuous of the vatican diplomacy, the vatican is measured by monetizing it in divisions, so how many divisions does the pope have rimsky well, accordingly, we understand that putin’s level of cynicism is not inferior to stalin, putin’s level of influence is, of course, an order of magnitude lower, but what tools could the holy father and the holy see use to involve the russian federation in negotiations and force them to comply with the demands of the civilized world or in general there are such powers and capabilities of the vatican diplomacy that, unfortunately, they do not exist and the word of the pope

is worthless for the russian president, that is, they are absolutely not with him are calculated, putin can get involved in some such mission when he feels that he is losing too much and can lose everything, then i think that he can get involved in such an uh. such a process in order to really stop the fire there and fix somewhere to draw some kind of demarcation line and to promise that for many decades he will conduct some kind of negotiations there about how to complete it further here, in fact, there is no such influence here . it seems to me that pope francis is somewhat overestimating his abilities in order to reach an agreement with putin. he has long wanted to with him to hold a personal meeting and personal negotiations, and we know that he was refused this several times. here, he believes that it is possible that with a personal meeting, he will be able to awaken some kind of good feelings in this person, something good, that somewhere at the bottom

it is possible to leave the sinner, but this is not about the conversion of a sinner, because it is impossible to convert the antichrist. by definition , yes, and here the question is how well the holy father is doing now, so to speak , how well he understands the situation, taking into account certain age changes, so to speak in his worldview , let me put it very delicately, we understand that proposals to hand over power with a warm hand did not find a reaction from the holy father, although at one time, for example, holy father benedict xvi did so . i think not at his age, pope francis is quite sober yes, maybe physically he is a bit already uh, that’s how this age really feels, but here it’s more about some of his uh , let’s say, inertia in political views, which

he had uh, even before, and now there are a lot of such critical remarks, in particular, literally yesterday, cardinal gerhard müller is the former head of the congregation for the doctrine of the faith, that is, the former inquisition, so he said that he is very critical of pope francis in that personal views on various political or social issues should not be heard from the mouth of the pontiff who speaks on behalf of the church. you see, it is not only us who notice that some subjective notes sound like that in the voice of the pope. and this also applies to other issues, as well as high-ranking officials of the catholic church, but i also i also think that various social and public figures in the world pope francis i think really does not fully understand the nature of this conflict if he thinks that how cynical a person like

putin is now able to talk about something like this uh-uh hmm it's possible, you know, it's a bit far, far away its context yes, and he does not fully know, you know, the entire prehistory of this war , it did not arise. do you think it might be worth it it would be somehow to intensify this process, well, at the moment, we hear some such, i can't check the authenticity of that information . well, in any case, that he can't come to kyiv because he doesn't go to moscow either, some very strange connection, in my opinion, yes

you see, the factor that plays a role here is that when the pope comes to ukraine , he believes that he will take one of the sides of the conflict and then he will forever lose the opportunity to dialogue with moscow. in my subjective opinion, in this conflict, what is fair is just to support one side and it is possible just such a moral one the pressure could force putin to think at least a little, but not putin himself, but some elites who surround him and who depend on their reputation in the world to come to their senses and maybe try inside russia to really stop this bloodthirsty, that's it in the language of conviction, on the contrary, a strict moral assessment of this conflict would play a much greater role than any attempts to dialogue, because you know in principle , if you look even at history, no conflict

by the pope of this scale, no conflict by the pope managed to settle er managed to play some kind of moderating role, let's say in certain civil wars like this somewhere between two tribes in africa, you know , it worked, but today the world expects, you know , from the pope not er, not even moderation, that is, how does he not remember who said very nicely. that's how a plane can travel on the ground, but its task is to fly anyway, but the actual task of the holy see today is to make clear moral judgments and, so to speak, to clearly call black and white, and i think when you asked the actual proceedings, i would return to this issue somewhere, that this is the only lever that remains in the hands of the holy see today, it is precisely to embarrass the aggressor. yes , you really do recognize that russia is the aggressor, but there is a lack of clarity and sharpness of direction in this case, we are with you, mr. anatoly and i hope that the pope will still

adhere to such a moral and more position and leave the resolution of this situation and the end of the war to those who have to deal with it, that is, to the generals , probably in this case, and to our allies and to the ukrainian army. and we are moving on this year. the european court of human rights determined may 11 , 2014 as the date of the beginning of russia's occupation of certain areas of the donetsk and luhansk regions. the militants of the so-called dpr declared a referendum on april 10, 2014, a few days after the seizure of the donetsk regional state administration

, they submitted a single question about independence the pseudo-republic from kyiv made the same decision and the leaders of the so-called lpr, organized with the help of russia, a farce took place on may 11 in both regions, a small number of polling stations were opened in many cities and villages , voting was not held at all, the media reported that the organizers used voter lists and, as far back as 2004, an up-to-date database data, the cec blocked any observers or controls, but for the militants, the main thing was to create a picture for russian television, that is why they took state employees to the precincts where they were tv cameras, which all breeders call a referendum, are and why not cover up the type of crimes, terrible crimes such as murders, torture, abduction of people, according to the information of oleksandr turchynova, who was acting as president at the time

, less than a third of the population of donbas participated in the vote, but this did not prevent the militants from announcing a pre- agreed with moscow turnout and draw the desired results 24% morovudionovsky 76.48 stirred up all over a hundred organizers of illegal voting later was sentenced in the summer of 2019 to the administrative limit of in occupied kryvyi, the sbu detained roman lakhin, the head of the cec, the so-called dnr, for unknown reasons, the trial against him could not begin for two years, the case was considered in closed mode, they began only in august 2021 , and since then the progress of the trial has not been reported. i would like to thank my colleagues for this story well, now we are adding to our broadcast for a better understanding and, of course , the analysis of serhiy harmash, the president of the donbas social prospects research center, as a representative of the ordlo as part of the ukrainian

delegation in the tripartite contact group glory to ukraine, mr. serhiy, we congratulate you as a hero. glory to the good day. well, we would like to ask you about the investigation into the rights of people connected with the direct betrayal of our state, and accordingly, there may be some other needs for additional legislation, and last year, the sbu reported the suspicion of four organizers the organizer of the pseudo-referendum volodymyr vysotsky vysotsky olena kravchenko and maryna filippova and oleksandr koftun well, they are wanted, those who have not left are still sitting on their suitcases about it at least, the representative of the main intelligence department, andrii isov, said, i don’t know what to say here, why do we need additional legislation if we don’t have physical access to these people, that’s why

we need to liberate this territory, and then if they will be located in the already occupied territories, yes, and bring them to justice, moreover, actually every day. well, it was not every day, but every week. at least i read in my resource on the island that we put information that the sbu finds the organizers of this the referendum of the so-called a-a is no longer in the de-occupied territories, or these people left the non-combat operations, which is now the occupied territory, were in ukraine, and they bear their responsibility for it . of our bodies, why, for example, among those zhulyanin, well, in fact , the public exerted pressure on law enforcement agencies in order to bring him to justice

. the main cadre of the donetsk isolation prison lived in kyiv, and he was brought to justice only after the same stas sat down and carried out a certain publicity of this issue, so to speak, and he is still being tried and we do not see the effect, that is i have the impression that, after all, our law enforcement agencies treat these people in a strange way, but what gives them the opportunity to actually, well, at least hope for the opportunity to come to an agreement? maybe they usually give us some information that is valuable to us , but i don't know it questions of principle, and ah, the punishment of these people must be public. because , as others say, it is harmless, is there actually a difference in the situation, which is and is harming

ukraine? they harmed and are still harming ukraine. who were occupied 9 years ago and those who were occupied only last year, that is, whether or not this disgusting example is being taken over and they see that it is possible to remain unpunished, well, we see that they are taking over, because after those referendums of the 14th year, russia held another er, with whom and let's say a number of referendums on this in the occupied territories a-a and she conducted, including by forces a local residents a-a and by the way mostly teachers there, i.e. the so-called state employees yes a-a therefore a-a-a again this says that people there a believe that russia for a long time. well, at least those who went for collaboration , yes, yes, they hope that it will protect, and they hope that there will be no

responsibility, and it is possible that this is also our fault, that is, our information politics that well, it is not enough to convey to them there a-a the fact that there are living examples of punishment and that this process actually happens all the time yes, mr. sergey well, and accordingly, we would like to ask you about the history of the forced or voluntary issuance, or rather the taking of russian passports in the temporarily occupied territories of the time, so to speak two had two diametrically opposed approaches , that is, on the one hand, iryna vereshchuk said one thing , so our flight attendant said another . side, this does not mean that it is possible to violate ukrainian legislation, yes, we understand that it is too early to speak

before the full liberation of the temporarily occupied territories , but a certain certain legal case may be how this story will be resolved now in your opinion. well, to be honest, i do not see a legal case because we we don't recognize these russian passports. so we can't actually bring them to justice for obtaining them . differentiated approach to the assessment of the presence of such a passport in a person yes, did she go independently, got it and thereby showed her attitude towards the ukrainian state, or was she forced to go and today there a-ah for today at least after putin's decree known yes which was on april 27 a- and the people have no choice, in fact, by the way, on april 27, the very day of the decree. and the budget organizations

in the occupied territories , well, at least in the donetsk region, i don’t know what happened in luhansk. the order in all the budget so-called organizations, yes, regarding may 5, everyone must not only submit a document for obtaining a russian passport, but also write a renunciation of ukrainian citizenship, and of course, if a person refuses it to do that, they look at her as an enemy , and even those who told me, even those who decided to resign immediately warned them that if you resign , it will be regarded as a lack of loyalty to the russian state, so to speak. people have no choice. there is simply no. and the ukrainian state cannot fulfill its constitutional obligations and protect them in this case , so i don't know what we can demand from them. i believe that they should

receive the documents that allow them to live there. to save one's life and not become hostages, because the outback is not just a-a good person, yes, and he is concerned with fate . although i do not rule it out, i know that he is a decent person, but there is another problem, what if these people are imprisoned who refuse to speak russian passports and them they will be jailed, they will not be deported, i guarantee you this one, i simply will not do it, she will put them in prison, then they will become an exchange fund, and then we will have to exchange so many people for russians. and where are we, where was russia from ? the resource that russia will use against the passport of the ukrainian state, that is why they are not interested in russia replenishing this exchange fund, this resource is being used against us, that is why i advise everyone if there is no way to leave and i know that

it is already very difficult now get these passports to vote if there is no pre-occupation before the presidential elections in russia against putin and firstly and secondly wait for the release and simply do not take part in the collaborative activities for myself, i now divide active collaboration and passively, yes, it is active when a person himself creates a situation that he can control, which consists in actually betraying the ukrainian state if it surrenders patriots there. it active collaboration, in fact, if a person just received a passport or simply works there at a school or in a hospital. well, this is passive collaboration, in fact, because a person just fulfills his duties, so to speak, and

helps those who live around him, and this is not political the act is not a collaboration with the russian state, it is simply an adjustment to the living conditions that are around in order to survive, so i think that for this you cannot simply order when the time comes to find out who is who after the deoccupation as those who are passive collaborators how did you call them will be able to prove and confirm that they had to simply save their lives in this way, that now they can make some possible database, collect some information and prepare so that later, er, they can confirm that no, they did not support the occupier, well, first of all, everyone who will receive russian passports after 27 april, that is, after putin's decree. i think that they cannot be brought to justice, and it shows that they received it when there was no longer

an opportunity not to receive them a second time, well, people know everything. yes, and i am sure that when we get there when we return, there will be a lot of messages from the teachers and from the parents of the students, how did this or that teacher behave there, for example, is this or that doctor ah? i think that it will be a job for our law enforcement agencies , but we will receive information it is from the people who live there and it will be a matter of facts , that is, the same practice is not a new practice, and after the second world war, yes, exactly , issues with the collaborators of the soviet government were also resolved when it returned. for example, there are questions in the schools that worked by the way, yes, in the occupation, who behaved, how did they behave, they actually gave it to the consideration of the labor collectives, the teachers themselves told that this teacher there passed the patriots, for example , yes, the director, she forced them to tell something

like that. it was possible not to tell at least yes to serhiy , the soviet authorities, so to speak, filled more than one firing pit with ukrainian bodies and simply sent them to siberia in packs. taking into account not only the legal component, but also the human one, they simply carried out a certain plan, unfortunately, but this is the topic of a separate discussion, thank you very much, because now we just have to move on, serhiy garmash was with us, the president of the center for researching social perspectives of donbas, now we just have to move on with oksana vysochanska in a slightly different format , the word will come, so it is important to report the news from turkey in the negotiations regarding the grain initiative, progress has been made there

, the ministry of defense there was informed, the negotiations took place in in istanbul with the participation of the deputy defense ministers of turkey, the russian federation and ukraine and representatives of the un, the ministry of defense of turkey called the negotiations positive and constructive, stating that the parties agreed to continue the four-way meetings regarding the agreement, which expires on may 18. well, we are still waiting for positive results for ukraine, and for now we say goodbye and the broadcast will continue verdict with serhiy rudenko glory to ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today , may 11, 442 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, zelensky said that he believes in the victory of ukraine before the elections of the united states of america