[000:00:00;00] thank you for watching and thank you for your trust. in the next hour , you will be with oleksiy gomon, kateryna derkach, and we will start talking about what worries almost everyone, to consider every ukrainian at the front and in the rear about the counteroffensive. russia will be in a panic when the counteroffensive begins. edition of the independent, deputy minister of defense volodymyra gavrylov in an interview, he noted that the retention of bahmut was a key moment in ukraine's preparation for a counteroffensive . at the same time, our country demonstrated to the whole world that the russian army is not only not the second army of the world, but also in a much worse condition than it was a year ago, we will start our counteroffensive when it goes now it does not matter and when this happens, russia will be in panivka, you will see a lot of panic they still do not understand that their propaganda shows a false picture of what is really happening in places, this war will be won on the ground and

not on tv screens, not on the internet, meanwhile , the world's expectations of ukraine's counteroffensive are somewhat overestimated, international partners are expecting the next great success of the armed forces of ukraine this was stated by the minister of defense oleksiy reznikov, according to him, such expectations can lead to emotional disappointment, expectations from our contour offensive company are overestimated, most people in the world expect something huge, but i cannot tell you what the scale of this success will be 10 km 30 km 100 km or 200 km to discuss with our guests in the studio. this is yevgeny, a veteran of the ato , a former commander of an assault company in the aidar battalion, we congratulate you, mr. yevheni, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, also contact us oleksandr kovalenko, military-political analyst andriy shapovalov, acting head of the anti-disinformation formation center at the national security and defense council of ukraine, joined us, we also congratulate you, colleagues, mr. yevhen, so

on the one hand, the deputy minister of defense of ukraine says that russia will be in a panic, this quote yes on the other hand, the head of the defense department says that one should not be enchanted so as not to be disappointed later. so what do you think, how dangerous can this be, just how can these eyes be overheated expectations of a counteroffensive for ukrainian society, in my opinion, are overheated. expectations are already becoming a very serious problem, moreover, the whole problem has two different dimensions, it is overheated expectations in our own information space. a much more serious problem is the high expectations in the western information space of the allies, which is already really creating a real problem. in fact mr. gavrilov, with all due respect to him, he deals with the procurement of weapons for the ministry of defense, the scientific and technical development of weapons there , the armor industry, and so on. and apparently he is a professional in this, but in terms of communication, it is probably better

to entrust it to others, because what are we going to say euphoric expectations can then go astray, because in reality no one knows exactly how it will happen . this is what is also mistakenly called a counteroffensive, so let's clarify immediately. and on the tail of the retreating enemy went forward, this is called a counteroffensive, we are talking about a very large offensive company designed for the entire summer of this year, er, much larger than any other offensive company in the history of the armed forces. that is, we are the first to solve a task of such complexity. and how will it go only the battle will show the reality, because you know how unfortunate it is, but war has two sides, and that side also has its own plans and reserves. it is preparing, and only a real battle will show how exactly it will develop, and therefore er, to sit and wait for this offensive to begin and it will immediately be a celebration, that

it will be some kind of parade of victories, this is naive to say the least and it can turn out very badly for us later. here it is better , on the contrary, as always, to come out of the worst first the scenario so that later you can be happy if it turns out better well, you must not underestimate the enemy, the example of the orcs perfectly shows what happens if you underestimate the enemy and start hating what they thought a year ago that they should come and that's it we will fall, well, you see we are sitting now after a year in this studio and we are already discussing when they will fall, but accordingly it is necessary, it is also necessary to understand that everything well, so far, it has been achieved in terms of scale, or maybe even smaller, with the tasks that are now standing, so we have already shown that in defense we are very strong, but the transition to a very large-scale offensive on a front 1,400 km long and the liberation of almost 20% of the territory of ukraine is a task of a different order of complexity. i also very much hope that our

defenders will successfully solve this task, but hope and such is expectation you know, er, to me, our society is starting to remind me a little now of these football fans who, you know, sit in front of the box and chant, we need a goal, we need a goal. well, i understand what is needed, but it does not follow from this that it will be so easy even with the best schedule for us. it will be a very difficult job that tens of thousands of people will have to perform simultaneously, one at a time, even with a good schedule, it will be very difficult in any case , and unfortunately with large ones, i think, and the schedule will not necessarily be good. therefore, we need adjust to the fact that this offensive is inevitable. we cannot go into it, but do not expect it as a holiday, but perceive it precisely as a very difficult task about what is needed in order for us to carry out this task and what should be the schedule. we will talk more now, mr. oleksandr

the same question to you is, do we really have too many expectations from both ukrainian society and foreign partners? what is it? what is it? ago that some even expect that we will almost return to the borders of 1991 during this counteroffensive and in fact in 2023 the war will end and we will liberate the entire territory of ukraine, unfortunately this is the program that will not be solved at the expense of these offensive actions which uh, they are planned because well, we just need to rationally and logically evaluate the forces and opportunities, and they say that do we have uh, let's say, according to uh,

some kind of unexpected scenario, according to which our counter-offensive actions always take place er, do we have the opportunity to free thousands of square kilometers of territory yes such a possibility is it true do we have the opportunity to free 10,000 or more a-y square kilometers of territory of course there is also such an option but returning to the borders of 91 year no a this is impossible. therefore, every person must already prepare morally and psychologically for the fact that this is not the last counteroffensive - this is not the last of our actions to liberate our territories, and again, i do not undertake to evaluate the actual possibilities of

these liberating actions on the other hand, it's ours western partners, if we are talking about our international partners from the political field, and they are constantly in addition to consultations with representatives of official representatives of ukraine. they are with representatives of their respective structures , who do analytical data collection, analysis of the situation, and also inform them of the theoretical and practical possibilities realistic in the armed forces of ukraine regarding the liberation of the territory are, in addition to the political structure, and precisely those structures of the military order of the special services, which accordingly make their analysis so, if we are talking about a western consumer of information, the expectations of some of them will be

reassessed by the pentagon from these offensive actions of the armed forces of ukraine. no, i don’t think so. moreover , the pentagon was surprised by our the kharkiv operation kharkiv is 1.5 weeks, 8.5 thousand square kilometers of liberated territories, for today in the modern history of conflicts there is not a single example of such a successful disengagement operation with such an effect, and with such a large number of trophies . repetition of this scenario, and another question because our scenarios are different and our partners understand this, and therefore the perception is different, but at the level of the information consumer of the average statistical a-a unfortunately, they are really overpriced, i can’t say that they are overpriced er, in the political field or

in the military field of our partners, but it is the average citizens of this or that country and ukrainians as well, and unfortunately this is true, we need to look at this situation more rationally and perceive it more adequately, mr. andrii, but we are talking about what expectations overheated i in our society and in the west. and who overheats them in your opinion , well, first of all, of course, it is the desire of the ukrainians for the fastest possible victory. it will be clear to the command of the country when exactly this large-scale offensive will take place, the second important point is that of course the russians are also interfering in this information campaign, that is, because they

know how to play in the field of propaganda and disinformation, including reactively, they also fuel these expectations in order to later a-a dispel treason because it is really true on such a large border there can be no quick victories well, most likely it cannot be and yes, god himself in kharkiv but most likely it will be a very complicated and very bloody operation, and that is why the russians are trying to kill as many as possible today as many of these moments in order to further shake the expectations came true. you see, girkin constantly declares that he is a military man

the criminal prigozhyn about the fact that ukraine is the dominant force of the offensive and that the position will not be able to be held there girkin in general, he already says that there, they say, everything is lost in this direction , but we can talk about the fact that this is this element eh, in particular, the ipso of the russian in order for the ukrainian society there were higher expectations, so that later , for example, they came true and this led to what consequences would be convenient for the aggressor . of course, you can see the answer to this question on the surface. the enemies of ukraine, who do not support our country and our counteroffensive in any way, and the fact that they are part of this military killing machine of the russian ministry of murder, this is not discussed, but first of all, it is done in order to

sow among ukrainians some -e unjustified expectations, and secondly, their task is to motivate a-a russians to mobilize to mass grave e in the steppes of donbas in our e-e, this is a-e such a task, it was a layered, first of all, us e-e for motivating e to e -e great victories eh and sow understood thank you under to encourage them to go to the military commissars to encourage what we are seeing now under bakhmut this night, the battles that took place were some of the fiercest, and this suggests that there is no such shortage of ammunition, as prigozhyn tells us, and rather it's all just their game, and the cadre

will talk in more detail a little later, let's just sort it out separately, because it's profitable, what does the highest leadership of our country think about the counteroffensive, so the counteroffensive will be successful, the defense forces will be able to buy the territories of ukraine, such a belief expressed by president volodymyr zelenskyi in an interview with foreign journalists, he noted that the help of western allies is also important, let's listen now, weapons are decisive moments of deoccupation, and they are . we must save as many people as possible , which means modern weapons must work. we also pay attention to the weather. however , it is not possible to talk about the timing of counteroffensive actions, the commander of the company of the strike unmanned aviation complexes noted

achilles 90 second separate mechanized brigade named after the basket chieftain ivan sirk yury fedorenko, he called on the ukrainians not to interfere with the defenders from doing their work , there is no need to make a key bet that it is supposed to be the last battle and that is the end of it, no contour offensive action is the measure that will help us deo buy a part territories and to strengthen our positions, including in the cross-border plan with our international partners, to give ukraine the opportunity to obtain additional necessary equipment and ammunition for the deoccupation of our territories within 1991 russia does not have the potential for a large-scale offensive anywhere in ukraine, said the head of the main intelligence agency of ukraine, kyrylo budanov. at the same time, he noted that the aggressor country has sufficient forces for defense. he also added that the russian federation is trying to accumulate a sufficient number of missiles to thwart a counteroffensive. as of now, russia does not have either the military , the economic, or the political potential to carry out an attempt at a large-scale offensive anywhere in ukraine. yevgeny, do you agree that

russia has the strength to advance at least somewhere in ukraine currently does not have one, and the most vivid proof of this is bakhmut itself, a once beautiful city, unfortunately, practically erased from the map, now there is a ruin, but even this ruin was destroyed by the second army of the world, with the involvement of even private super contractors, but anyway, how many more than seven months of fierce battles have already even in the very place and until the end, they were one district center with a pre-war population of 70,000 , they simply could not push it . of the necrophilic ku-cult pobidobesse, which actually fulfills the role of the state religion in putin's russia, and for them it was such a sacred matter until may 9 to show the tsar at least some victorious woman. the district center, putting more fighters there than there were people living there before the war, but

they did not manage to press even such a victory, well, this is an indicator, but at the moment they are planting the second narrative and, unfortunately, in the west , they succeed in this, the ukrainians do not lead the ukrainians faster, as you just said, faster to us in the other direction. already a bend to what, if possible , we will return now, but in the west they are currently very successfully planting one and extremely dangerous for us attitude that both sides have already exhausted their offensive potential, but both sides are no longer they are not breakthroughs in defense, including that in fact a stalemate situation develops when none of the parties achieves significant success, they have even stopped lying that they can still advance somewhere, but instead they they are trying to prove what is in the defense. you can't break them right now. the situation is deadlocked. so why drag it to move on to an adventure on their terms? it's just that what they have been doing in recent months, in their terminology, it could be called coercion as a truce

, but they really need this pause. we really need to buy time and unfortunately on the western front they manage to do it a little, this message is getting in the west and unfortunately we can refute it only with successful offensive actions , that's why i say that we have no choice, we will go on this offensive, but it is very hard work and exactly this is how it should be treated, mr. oleksandr. i wanted to go back to waiting, eh, we are constantly aware that one of the likely directions of a counter-offensive, let's make such a large-scale offensive operation, how would it be more correct to say, what mr. yevhen a-a could be the southern direction and the secretary of the national security council presents 12 points for the liberation of crimea and de-occupation . kyrylo bogdanov says that we will soon rest in crimea, and we understand that such statements can be made in order to influence directly at the occupiers, you at the russians who are on the territory of the peninsula. however, this again heats up the expectation of a counteroffensive by live ukrainians, that is, how

to properly maintain this balance. that is, we understand that we want to somehow keep the occupiers on the peninsula in tune. however, how not to overdo it a stick, as mr. yevgeny correctly says, so that the ukrainians would not imagine that they were already there. i don't know. they didn't think that tomorrow they would be able to take tickets there to alushta, for example . well, who says that the crimea will not be liberated crimea will be liberated. but this is the right time. let's look at the situation in the following way and it is very important to discuss it on the airwaves of such programs. why because we have five main bridgeheads , we consider it so left-bank kherson region zaporizhzhia region, donetsk region and luhansk region, as well as the temporarily occupied crimean peninsula, we consider them as the five main bridgeheads on which counteroffensive actions can take place

, for example, the most let's say favorable conditions on the three left bank kherson region zaporizhzhia region as well as luhansk region and donetsk region are more considered as defensive type a bridgeheads , on which systematic counterattacks are possible, but counterattacks are systematic. yes, but not offensive actions of the armed forces of ukraine . it is offensive actions. so, three bridgeheads : left bank kherson oblast, zaporizhia oblast , luhansk oblast. it is possible that offensive actions may begin in zaporizhia oblast, may begin in left bank kherson oblast. to start in luhansk oblast in the same way and what they say is that crimea will be liberated and so on well, it is a fact, we will not give up on this , this is our territory and it will return to the composition

of p oleksandr nova, of course, say that it will happen very soon, you understand and what is soon, you know, i once discussed the liberation of crimea and there was such a very interesting idea that we will be able to liberate crimea through diplomatic means, precisely through diplomatic means, it is very interesting after 2030. so what is modern, soon , through diplomatic means. the fact that crimea will be liberated precisely by force. so what is this soon? it's six months, it's a year, it's a year and a half, and if we consider , for example, the scenario of the liberation of crimea, then it must also be considered rationally and logically. by the way, there are many scenarios, but one of them is isolation isolation

crimea from the mainland of the russian federation by destroying this logistical and crimean bridge, as well as full control of the sea of ​​azov and the black sea, and of course it will consist in its e-e, first of all, in its implementation, it consists after the e-e will enter the armed forces of ukraine to the administrative border of crimea, and this scenario can take up to six months, it will soon be six months. well, if you say what i heard that diplomatically it is possible to release him after 2030, then this is how it can be considered. yes, but for someone it is also quite a long period of time yevgeny, you reacted so vividly when the two-year 2030 was announced , you have to say something. i think that all such conversations about diplomatic scenarios and the 30th year, it all made sense until february 24. last year, this should be reset to zero, forget it, and

uh, when someone even for our westerners partners are seriously trying to talk about such things now, just understand what it means that a person is not oriented in reality at all and has fallen out of modern reality for at least a year of course crimea will be liberated by military means and er and it will be really soon from the moment we occupy the left bank kherson region but how long will it take to occupy the left bank of kherson oblast ? as a matter of fact, we know a lot about the enemy's defenses, we know where they are, what king-cops they have dug there, we know all their fortifications there, but this does not say anything, it may be one line of defense that you lean against and fight for months. or maybe to be three lines of defense that you pass in a day or two, it all depends on how those people sit in these tsar's pits , how motivated they are, how many of them, how many

weapons and bulls they have, and how competently they are commanded. and we will see all this only when actually , let's go ahead and that's why here. you know here kharkiv was mentioned, it helped us a lot. last year, it was simply a lifesaver for us , in fact, the kharkiv miracle is what we call the kharkiv miracle among ourselves . kharkov so that they finally stopped getting their own city, and they poured out, they poured out, our command took great advantage of this and chased what it was called until i saw it, but at the same time i was in kherson an attack that looked completely different when i'm sorry, but of the three lines of defense of the orcs, only the first one was able to be broken through by assault actions, at the same time with really huge losses, and then we had to switch to a completely different strategy of slow squeezing, this strategy worked perfectly because there were four bridges and all its logistics were tied to them

, unfortunately, in the territory that we have to liberate now , there is a similar situation only with crimea, and when we get to it, the most different options are possible there, it is indeed an island, but there is more to it we have to go and how long this path will take at the moment, well, no one can say responsibly, it is obvious that this path must be passed, but we will say it like this, we will not push people, but it will not be short. steps to the occupation of crimea by mr. danilov i can literally name three of them from his post on facebook, this is the criminal prosecution of russian propagandists , the dismantling of the kerch bridge. well, let's also take this future appearance of a monument in crimea, a russian warship is leaving in a known direction, we can smile here, but in fact, how do you think we will return the crimea, and emphasize the humanitarian policy on the information policy, as this

is your profile. well, as for the words of the council secretary, i can only say about the criminal prosecution of propagandists. they should understand well that they will not live peacefully a-a nowhere in the world until their death this is the first and the second regarding the humanitarian return eh i think that there is no need to exaggerate this issue today and overheat the attention let's say so before that the question is, people need to be given peace and work , as the secretary of the national security and defense council also says, and everything will calm down by itself, because the annexation of crimea itself, because it was carried out in an illegal way, because it was carried out

in conflict it is the wish of the crimeans that deoccupation will take place logically and in principle it was understood in such a natural way mr. andriy , i would like to see what was discussed there recently. in the mass media, in particular, this happened after the attack of drones on the kremlin after the explosion of a car belonging to the occupiers of prilyepin. they began to directly blame washington , they say that you, uh, with your help , ukraine is committing such acts there, and against the background of the counteroffensive, the strengthening of anti-american rhetoric, can it be testify to the fact that in when , for example, if er if and when a successful offensive operation will be carried out by the defense forces

of ukraine. the defense forces attacked us, and such things as the nato collective action and so on, because in reality i noticed that this anti-american rhetoric has intensified in russian propaganda, it has become stronger than it was before. this is the story about their e-e on the jumps these on america on the fact that nato stands for 7.7 america is of course e-e rhetoric directed primarily inside the country for its own audience about what they have a-a actually the third the world war is already happening on the other hand, this is again an attempt to threaten with nuclear weapons , and what medvedev is constantly saying , what all the posypaks are constantly saying. let's strike

, let's strike. drag into the discussion, including the united states, but we see that, well, all these attempts are uh, no, this means absolutely nothing, and the whole world today treats russia as not just a sponsor of terrorism, a country that sponsors terrorism, but a country of a terrorist - and not full of reason, and that's why all of them are today this is an attempt to raise oneself to the level that they are supposedly at war with america, this is all anti-american rhetoric, well, it is absolutely ee-e ipso directed inside one's own country and outside, it has no faith in mr. oleksandr p andriyu said what is he trying to propose for m to russian society as the third world war as a people

's war, but in your opinion, by the way, they were able to make this war a people's war for russian society , we see that there is supposedly support for military actions on the territory of ukraine. there are still not so many people who want to take up arms to fight, so really there are not many of them. the last time they announced their partial mobilization , the so-called what happened there, they had to call up 300,000 personnel, and they had almost a million able-bodied men flee the country. well, here are their the result is that they are now announcing another partial or complete mobilization of polo, or some kind of fimism or feminism they can invent to explain it because they understand that it can, to put it mildly, how to get rid of a million the population that escaped from russia, the mongols