[000:00:00;00] now valery chichilashvili, the former services of georgia in russia, ukraine and moldova, he will be in touch with us and we will talk with him about how the situation in georgia will develop in this e-e plane because it is obvious. i am simply convinced that he understands the lack of solidarity he understands the language of power. if someone tried to talk with him about building some crossing points between unoccupied and occupied territories, demining something there, renaming something , renaming something, promising well, he believed that this was a sign of weakness and the results

valery chichilashvili is also known . it is not yet known whether it will happen. but russia clearly wants it to happen. well, it is more convenient for me in russian, so if russia wanted to somehow show its position to georgia in this way, then it was very late. meaning only until february 24 last year, and after that we became black and white, and this is a gray zone of opportunity for maneuver, it is like shagreen skin shrinks, therefore, against the background of this barbaric war that russia unleashed in ukraine, i can qualify it

as follows: this demand is rather clumsy and in in principle, the unsuccessful one will drag georgia into its ivf system in this camp of lepers, which we observed in principle on may 9 in the square , the bottom of joy on the faces in the joy of the holiday, something, something. somehow will correct the situation, that is, the magic number of the 91st year, it works in relation to ukraine, in relation to georgia, withdrawal to the line of the 91st year is an opportunity to start negotiations on the normalization of relations in general, in principle . it will be better for everyone well, there is one more thing that is definitely aimed at making it more difficult for georgia to move towards the european union, because

the implementation of air traffic from georgia today this is not just the non-joining of georgia x sanction. and this is in fact opposing itself with the sanctions of the european union, and this will at least very seriously screw up our progress towards the european union, in particular, obtaining the status of a candidate, but the georgian authorities will not agree to this, because they that's what they say carefully, this is humanitarian , it is very important, our compatriots in russia, let them have the opportunity and return home on direct flights, well, in parts, in parts , this is an argument of course, how and what, in particular well, it is possible to say that with this decision, the corruption nest that

was around the section of interests in russia at the swiss embassy was destroyed. today in russia they are already citizens of russia and in principle many of them have already left russia and returned to georgia by the way we still did not find out what the specific weight of ethnic georgians is russians who, especially after the announcement of the so-called partial mobilization, left russia and rushed to different countries, including georgia, many of them came to georgia, according to various estimates , there are now about 150,000 uah left. there was eduard chevernadze in georgia, they could not find a development vector for themselves. here is this multi-vector foreign policy, it was similar, it did not become the cause of all our problems

. then i came at all, then i came to ukraine, we didn’t even have spouse’s passports, i had a diplomatic passport of the ussr, in which there was a stamp saying that i am the ambassador of georgia to ukraine. yes, there was no currency in ukraine, we had no currency. the second was the situation, we tried to find ourselves in this reforming system of international relations, but now it’s already everything now, it’s not stopping itself now the whole world has seen through, so the anti-putin pro-ukrainian coalition is becoming more and more powerful and strong consistent, i can only regret the fact that georgia does not occupy the place it should occupy in this anti-putin coalition, there is something for me that well, there is a rammstein vote and so on , but there is no shortage of a scientist, our only

thing is the heroes of the guys who are fighting for today ukraine. here they are. they help us to preserve our sense of dignity. how did you return to goam for 10 years when it was created? there are big hopes that this organization will be an alternative to the russian vector in the development of the former soviet republics. why not? it worked out by and large. what do you think. that's how it is, that's a powerful union in the other direction. yes, it didn't work out, it didn't work out, but we saved it because it's four countries, and i compared guam with a car with a car with a car. which is well regulated, it has a very good engine , and it stands on a wide highway and can move at a speed of 200 km/h, but it drives at a speed of 40-60

because one of the passengers is always instead of gaz, he tries to press the brake. well, he was like that in his time voronin then was like yanukovych, here we are. in principle, we were standing in the face of the collapse of the organization under viktor yanukovych and panadobyevich very big conditions, by the way, the americans helped to preserve the organization , the headquarters is located in kyiv on the maidan on sofievskaya on sofiev. i think that we have saved the organization today. and today it works, uh, it means that each of the 4 countries that are in the organization see me as a perspective and an instrument for the realization of their own

foreign political tasks and agendas, and this is the agenda after the inevitable defeat of russia in this barbaric war, what the president calls a strategic defeat in russia, will configure the entire system of european relations and regional relations. i think that many countries that have collapsed after odcb - the eurasian union will find itself in such an international legal vacuum, it will begin to look for its place in the new system of relations, and guam in this sense may turn out to be very much in demand the player will find interesting times in this, thank you, thank you, mr. valery valery chuchelashvili, the former ambassador of georgia in russia and in ukraine, in moldova, the former secretary general , we were in touch with you, thank you, see you now , kazakhstan, which we already talked about with volodymyr yelchenko, and now let's talk

with dima shamaldzhan. greetings. good evening . a few minutes ago, we spoke with the famous ukrainian diplomat vladimir elchenko. he recalled his contacts with kazakhstani colleagues at the un. you understand that if we lose in the battle with russia, you will be next in general . and there is such an understanding of the kazakh elite, and because i, too, very often had such conversations and always saw such broken ones, yes , but we understand. well, what can we do ? danger well, what about protivostoyanie? you know it’s not quite all the same, uh, in the case of kazakhstan, there was never another pole. yes, that is, there was no european union, there was no internal suspension of rapprochement with the european union, and in the case of kazakhstan a-a i think sometimes they don’t compare correctly because there were always loyal creams, first there was the nazarbayev regime, and now his regime is acceptable to kyle, they were initially

loyal to the kremlin, so a-a everything that happens in the information space is all that is done in order to create an illusion distancing and especially this is clearly visible . here are some initiatives that are aimed specifically at the ukrainian society and the ukrainian information space. themselves, this is not the width of the veils under which cooperation on institutional cooperation at the level of special services , the level of government administration, two presidents of gray imports, and so on and so on. the test ties are exposed to the right for the last 30 years, close to the kremlin regime, it is necessary for political

survival, that is, without the kremlin, they do not think that they can withstand pressure in the west countries, take examples, if there is no russia a member of the soviet union, if there is no russia a member of the osce organization, for example, many initiatives could be pushed from the western countries concerning democratization and so on , and the agenda and democratization itself could be used more strongly in bilateral relations, so they are interested in life in this mode, you shouldn’t be surprised that they won’t be able to hold on. why did the bad guy go to moscow on may 9, well, to support his colleague when the isolation intensified in the moment when it is already difficult for them to sell to the domestic audience that russia is still respected by some, and it is taken seriously, and this is a friendly help to support

the name of the person who instrumentalized the history of the war for the murder of citizens of neighboring countries, how much, in principle, is such an ego necessary such trips how is it considered possible for him, uh, there is no need for them , but there are things that oblige you, they saved you in january, helped to keep power, will give protests according to the soviet elites , how far, in principle, is it possible for the kazakh leadership to dissociate itself from moscow for today's situation? that the distancing was based on a serious economic potential on this through the caspian sea, the azerbaijanis

stubbornly georgia, turkey, but apart from the statement that each of us has taken serious steps in this direction, and after, in my opinion, more than six months ago, these statements were made by us now, even the people who will probably come to power after putin, they also understand how to negotiate with the central asian countries and in this regard, they have certain predictability, i think that they are now putting it as a priority in kazakhstan, at the time of the sultan, there was always such a person, he would say the national fear of china, the management of kosamar, that's how it started. in fact, from the visit the chairman of the people's republic of china sits on us with a guarantee of the territory, the integrity of the sovereignty of kazakhstan , with all declarations. these were important words and the first visit. yes, in the last one, after the coronavirus, this is also a sign. how much now is china becoming the main partner of kazakhstan? and it can oppress

russia. is there no fear of china? who is more afraid of the chinese or the russians ? they will already push out the presence of russia, taking into account the fact that what effect will the most isolation have for russia in the next 10-20 years, and now, i think that this has given more attention to the central asian region than the last initiative, and that is why it is introduced visa-free regime, that is, for 30 days, so that citizens of kazakhstan can

visit each country without a visa logically, the short bar was once employees of the ussr embassy in china, this is a connection about what is possible if , let's say, the political cover that was provided by russia will become a little anti , let's say, lose its relevance, then another authoritarian country that can under certain conditions and - and be some kind of a-a return barrier from the pressure of western livropeian countries, this is china. we have very strong enough sides, that is, there is a stable erasure type relative to china, and it is very wide to save the son of phobias. historically, the upheaval with china will undoubtedly lead to internal risks for the author himself . after himself

on the suppression of protests in january of last year , therefore, it will not be easy. and tell me, uh , reforms like this, political reforms of the holy spirit, how serious is this or how much is it a screen to preserve such a thing that's how it would be possible with a corporate regime, probably yes, this is to a lesser degree already not a regime of personal power than a corporate regime no no, it still remains a personalist autocracy, in fact, the reforms were quite superficial, they are simply the administration of the president so why bother to create the necessary nicknames, and especially with the invitation of different russian political scientists , in order to create an image of the fact that everyone changes the rules of the game, in fact there is no if you look at the text the constitution has not changed and the entire power

of the president is now in the hands of utokaev , that is not all with himself, that is, the large amount of political power is undoubtedly forcing him to expand his presence in the economy. she does the same thing that she did in the old days, and when she increased her help to the maximum, and then proportionately increased her presence in the economy because of one of the members of the oligarchs who are so connected to her все имеать кодга сейчас here are the people who are related to the relatives of tokaemy who are gaining a silhouette a-a otherwise everything is the same yes it oh-oh-oh you personalized let's say so eh the party it's more directly he doesn't lead it the main presidential party well and also it remains its main loyal base and the party system

itself . что зараваемый i say, how could it happen that the people who controlled the country for almost 30 years gave up everything almost without a fight, and looked up to such an all-powerful quasi-monarch with monuments , streets, and a city in his honor. three months that's how it's not quite, they actually gave everything. now , the latest data from forbes recently came out, and many family members nominally increased their capital. kazakhstan we do not have a common understanding of all the details of the events of january last year, but there is a certain understanding

that with the protests that broke out in the country, they had to be suppressed and the protest was clearly suppressed. it is gradually lost due to the non-transferability of power and the accumulation of a negative a-a image or a background associated with in the administration , and here are the protests all over the country, they and within the elite broke the name of nazarbayev, and here is his successor. it turns out to be full of power and ensures that this is my guarantee and this system is maintained , not nazarbayev, and the closest members are not held accountable in the fall. we do not see many of them have left the country

, have sunk to the bottom, so to speak, or do not appear in life, but people affiliated with them, they are present both in the economy and in politics , so it is early here that i am inclined to this version in order to preserve the assets and stabilize the regime . razrelyala on zarabaev, we perceived everything from them to be purposeful . and in principle, if you talk about the trends of development, the regime is that to describe it is such a putin option, by and large , but putin was able to build a perfect the second state too, by the way, speaking not personally, eh, it interferes with the life of a member of yeltsin's family, sometimes even helps, but he built it on them in dollars for such an economy, eh, let's say that they are oriented to the distribution of money to citizens, to

the exchange of money to rights, i know in kazakh k the station of rights and oso bogo act on kazakhstan vopros and here it is hope is somehow