[000:00:00;00] the importance of ukraine in this competition well, continuing the history of culture in the great literary scandal, this is exactly what happened around the estonian prima vista festival, two ukrainian poets refused to participate due to the presence of russians, one of them wrote an essay for estonians in which she explained her decision, representatives of the russian literary community called nazism and fascism , of course, but our art reviewer lena chechenina will tell you more about this storybook , let's watch it together, my friends, congratulations, probably the most vivid and the most discussed this week's cultural event in ukraine became eurovision in the first place, out of competition, but in second place is the scandal surrounding the estonian literary award called

prima vista. who would have thought, but on the other hand, considering what is happening in ukrainian culture during the time of the full-scale invasion, in principle no surprise, everything started traditionally two ukrainian poets anna gruwer and olena huseinova refused to participate in this festival because they saw that there are russians there traditional history agree until now discussions are ongoing, it is necessary to refuse, there is no need to refuse, those who say that it is not necessary, insist that it is unreasonable, we are simply losing the site from this site to the russians, and we will not come there ourselves , and no one hears or sees our position, but you know, first of all, i want to say what from my point of view, each such case should be considered separately, because in one case it is smarter to buy events in the other, but now the eurovision song contest is going on, and one of the participants from the czech republic, vesna russian, is going on

. well, it would probably be very unwise to say no, we are not going to the eurovision song contest until you clean up your russian girl, but the situation with direct news is absolutely unprecedented in that it usually happens like this in europe, at least there is some cultural event, ukrainians and russians are invited to it, so that ukrainians can reconcile us all here they refuse this pleasure, the organizers say to them next what is your choice, of course russians, we will not exclude from our program because it is good russians, and if you do not want to come, do not come and we are very sorry. goodbye here the organizers of the primo vista festival did the opposite, they asked the russians to come out, so to speak, but not because the participants from ukraine, or the ukrainian poetess, were asked to do this. not because the russians fell into such

hysteria that the estonians simply saw their true face and were furious. this is the conclusion of olena huseinova, she wrote an essay and a special one for estonians to simply explain her position, why she refuses, and according to her statement, estonians understood, but the russians themselves are liberalizing their literary a party girl and fans, in particular, the writer linorgo ralik, they took it in the same way. they started calling our girls nazis, fascists and even anti-semites , considering that this is linor goralik , she is jewish, she is originally from the dnipro, she lived in russia for a long time, she also came to israel a long time ago but actively participates precisely in the creation of the russian literary process , we will talk with elena now with elena huseinova about this whole uh, this whole simply

incredible incident and she will tell us and what did the russians plan to bring there and how exactly at this festival did they plan to reconsider their responsibility for this war. their past in general about the war as they say spoiler almost no because now you will just listen to elena and then i think just as quickly as she and elena and we also talked in principles about our withdrawal from russian culture, to what extent and how important it is to communicate correctly with europeans and how best to explain our position to them, why exactly we refuse to participate in various cultural platforms

that there are russians there, and how to do it so as not to look like , as natalka moseichuk said, emotionally damaged people. i wrote, but i would probably write something else, so what does this program look like, for example , one is called the image of cherkas, the image of a magician , who fell into the poetry of the block and who are such magicians in russian poetry and russian culture ? next, that is, there is still an event available there is something called melancholy twilight there are six novel let's figure out the reason to describe it melancholy and ordinary everyday depression and maybe melancholy ordinary everyday depression is the same thing in general or do you think the discourse of russian opposition writers during the attack on europe and not on ukraine, they count on it later there

i was also very impressed, so a big discussion like this should take place about nabokov, who is known to you. i don't like that he didn't like dostoevsky's hiccups and read lectures about it, wrote books, but we know for sure he's just jealous, let's deal with it. well, there are actually two events, one of them is markov's rhyme, the other is lenor haralik, which seems to me to be simply beyond the limits of human empathy, beyond the limits of human poems about war, the name is the presentation of markov's cycle rhyme, and maybe there is something else in poems i'm sorry, but we would have decided not to do this in our future, try now, ah, i'm manipulating now , for sure, but i'm not manipulating, this is what

happened to me, i didn't read this beauty with my eyes , i read this phrase with svetlana's eyes who is the writer of this mother, er, romana radushny, just look at this phrase through the eyes of another poetess in the xxi century, who also writes in cyrillic, try katheper, it’s not about war . it seems to me that it’s beyond the boundaries of good and evil, it’s just 2023 to allow yourself to do such events. well , what an event of course, it sounded loudly on the territory of the ukrainian internet, er, there is something there, the meaning of the costume of a russian protester, er , all the memes and jokes, you already know, friends, without me , i was terribly interested in this lecture, i

even looked at the photo from the russian of the so-called protests, i was just wondering what to wear to the russian protests and that i would even go to listen to this lecture there. when i saw this program , i will understand. they went completely crazy. and this is not true. and i wanted people in ukraine to know that everything is fine with estonians . they understand me. of the festival, and not only what i just announced is happening at this festival , but also my denial, it exists and already when they saw this in ukraine, then they came and asked the linor game if it happened, and then this all means that the wave has risen and this wave again

after all, it happens again in the cyrillic world, it's not him, estonians don't see it, but mara kulakova, a translator of ukrainian literature into latin, saw her and contacted the latin poets who, uh, they had 10 minutes left before the transition bus at the start and said, i don't know if you know, but you get it, bullying happens, well, the best thing is that i'm a talentless tessa who finally found a way to grab a piece of glory. i don't claim to be the gift of the greatest poetess, but i have a little bit of this glory too much stronger, i will remove the cleaning, there are many, but it doesn’t matter , there were terrible things that were completely unacceptable, and maria luisa lotte, who

had already reached them. heard the lithuanian participants. they also said that they were withdrawing from the festival process and the festival organizers had them, that is, they were looking for and offered them something that could allow them to understand that the festival does not support this bullying, and this turned out to be something , the cancellation of the energorelik performance, well, that is, linor rolik can fully thank his er, to the fans, what to their fans, that because of their behavior, their line is taking part in this festival, er, let me insist that it is her, the group created a space for her, heard about the costume in the selection, er the protester was presented by roar, that is, the russian community, the russian community, the map was not harmed, they heard linor , they saw it, come on, it is clear that the behavior of russians is very often demonstrative, and we just

need to highlight it to foreigners, just show them, look, russians are liberals , that's how they are behave because these foreigners simply do not know the russian language, they do not read it, they do not know it and are under certain illusions, but i want now on facebook and maybe less on twitter about this people have different opinions about the event, at least according to what i read, most people are still inclined to support you and anna, but there are people who support, er, horalik, who say that you are wrong, that you are also aggressive. i think that you are too i read these comments in general, they boil down to the fact that linor moralik and she is from dnipro, that she left russia

a long time ago, she lives in israel, and they say, what complaints can you have against her, she is a person who works there as a russian oppositionist. can you please explain, well, in particular i think that among our viewers there may be people who also adhere to such a position. please explain why, uh, you don't want to participate in the festival together with the opposition, uh , even an israeli woman of ukrainian origin , first of all, i think that linor now represents russian culture and me the desire of the e-e community to wash it of russian culture is frightening, i did not see a single book in it that was not in russian, that is, i am not a fan of venorali, but i opened wikipedia in all three languages ​​that i can read and looked at the list of bibliography and most

these books were published by russian publishing houses , eh, the norm, realik chose russia for herself once as a country of residence. somewhere it is written that linor gralyk is one of the key figures of runet, one of those who formed the space of the russian internet, you are now trying to tell me that the person who formed the space of the russian internet is a key figure, he is not a representative of russian culture, i apologize, you don't have to be so emotional , seriously, are you trying to tell me what she is ? well, that is, a person influenced what the narrow internet is, who is she not a representative of russian culture, a representative of dnipro culture ? i don't remember. i saw her on the stand in the transnistrian literature museum

, i didn’t see her, i’m sorry, in the dnipro. well, i don’t read that she changed the landscape of israeli literature or culture. i read that she is a key figure who changed and created don't explain to me why this phrase is not enough, this concept is not enough to understand that it is part of russian culture, it is important, this is the most important thing, as long as war crimes committed in the name of russian culture continue in ukraine, any conversation about interpretation , contexts of immersion, immersion in russian culture, on international platforms are impossible , the only thing that can be talked about on these platforms in the context of russian culture is how russian culture can stop the war

crimes of russians and russia on the territory of ukraine in to ukraine, to my country, against me, against my loved ones and against my people. i apologize that i am too emotional, and this is the only topic of the sorcerers of the bloc . there is no interest, only this , well, we understand that russians , there are a lot of russians, go to these platforms not to talk about the imperialism of russian literature, not to hold to conduct some completely different analysis of russian literature in the context of this imperial colonial one, and they come there to tell the public that they too sacrificed, that they cannot

protest, that they also need to be supported , that they need to be given grants, look, we are also suffering as and ukrainians mostly come to say this and not to reflect on how russian culture can stop the war, we also have to understand that well, almost all of these are examples of i saw that they boil down to something like this somewhere, but there is one more, er, well, such a critical remark is rather not directed at you. and to er , anna goger, to another poetess who refused to participate in this festival, and i can even reduce this problem to only to anna, and in principle it is quite common because, uh, and about her until 2017. as far as i understand, she lived in moscow and studied there at an elite institute, was a member of the writers' union there, there was a war going on for three years, i admit

, i don't like her very much how she reacts to these criticisms, she also seems to me a little bit like that pretends to be a victim, although it is a responsibility, you lived in moscow for the first three years of the war, a person must be ready for the fact that it will be thrown at him, it is actually such a stain on his reputation, but the matter is different even when people like anna or other people, and there are a lot of them in ukrainian, there are movie parties in general , literary parties, art parties, which until february 24 cooperated with the russians in one way or another, then stopped, but now they come to various festivals and they refuse to cooperate or be there on the same site to receive award together with the russians, or even participate in the same festival where the russians take part. it is already easy for them. they can say, listen, you, er, all the years of your war

, you cooperated with the russians perfectly and only came to your senses when your full-scale war came, and well , doesn’t this cause such a thing of a certain misunderstanding and hmm of a certain maybe even irony. it seems to me that this problem is ours and in communication with these sites, so i will not be responsible for it. it's rude. i think you can record it personally. it's obvious. now, well, i will honestly tell you, it is very difficult now, it is very difficult under these scales, and i actually get a little less than anya because i have nothing. well, it is a little more difficult for me to extract something from my biography, although this one is because of the bright memory of volodymyr pylypovich the sea, where are all serhiy semenovych ivanyuk and whom i resented for a very long time because they ruined my thesis about the city in ukrainian modernism, but i love them

so much now because i haven’t forgotten her, and she kept everything she was just there , everything was kept on the links to lotman and toporova everything was on them and i just now see how shanderovych pulls out my thesis and starts running with it, but thanks to it there are some mystical things yes yes volodymyr pylypovich serhiy semenovych you are now in the middle of this scandal to get me involved well, we have nothing to pull out of course, they will find something like that, but there is no such thing as moscow in my biography, but for example , for example, for example, i very slowly moved away from uh, well, from love for russian culture. so let's believe. in the 14th year, for example, immediately after the shooting of the heavenly hundred, veronika dolina, whom my mother loved very much, the mother of anton dolina, a bar singer

whose music i grew up with, she was constantly playing in our house, she wrote a post saying that she supports us and i was terribly moved because it is such a voice from of my childhood, on which i grew up, and he understands us. i wrote a long private message there, and here she is one of the first to comment on these eurasians , so it means that they canceled, canceled blah blah, and i was the first, the first thing i saw was how veronika fate did not think that writes such eurasians and this and this seems to me to demonstrate . we left very slowly

. this is happening cultural figures cultural strata they are not only problematic what that is scary but the understanding came slowly so in the 14th year i thanked veronika dolinia for supporting us because on the 23rd she wrote to some council and this is the understanding that yes or not what's wrong or how or how to dance, is this an opportunity or a need to distance yourself? over the years, it has slowly developed into someone faster, someone more slowly, someone with more terrible details, the bureaucracy or reduced, but we all have to pull ourselves away from ampere's figure-culture to this day, and we are all under this cap. dissertation is not out of a good miracle, it’s all so lotmanav toporavska, but because lotman and topova were doing tsnb, there was a dofiga, and there was

less of some kind of game and mass, or some other e-e pushkinskaya regiment russia, which moved its humanitarian research of the most recent books in the cnb, there was no agarvatska, and this is a long, long story about how to get out of this imperial suit that you were forced to wear and you might even like it, but that does not mean that you yourself chose it with good will, we chose it for you it could hold nine. it's good and comfortable, it suits you, but none of us chose this imperial suit for ourselves with good will, and it's a painful process. reputational losses. i agree with you here completely, and you can also say that even during the war i watched russian films and

i also liked a lot of russian people . i thought that they were really oppositionists , brave people, and after a full-scale meltdown, i confess that there was just a huge waiting for me a wave of great disappointment because all these people started to complain that i just couldn't believe my eyes but i think it's my personal problems you say we should be now, we are moving away from this sooner because the circumstances are stimulating, but if we talk again about this problem of communication with foreign platforms because it is extremely important and practically all my friends who often travel somewhere to perform, they say with almost one voice that it is very difficult to talk with foreigners. it is easier to talk with poles, with czechs, with er, in the inhabitants of the baltic countries, with

finns. and when you go to germany , france, and so on, and so on , huge problems begin because it is clear that if during the war we did not fully understand the whole threat from russia from its culture, then what can we say about the french and the germans, who are generally far from this, as from your point of view. and we can also communicate with them as we should ah well, the most rational, most understandable and effective way to explain one’s position about the excellent russian culture there, or whatever it is called, is to put russian culture on hold if we do not want to perform together on some platforms with russians, if we we are talking about the inhabitants of the countries of western europe, which arguments can work for

them, that we are emotionally overwhelmed, and that we are not quite normal. listen, i tried so hard to build this text that i wrote for primaste, so that there was something else besides my trauma and i don’t care about the whole of russia, that is runet, which created the key figure in the creation of which was the people’s advice , he was anyway, he calls me moral , moral, moral, moral, peniterkoy, roman , do lotman here or nose, friends, if you had a small town, i still brought you here clean he said that we have a moral panic with anna eh well, i had a little bit of a moral panic because this was his long interview for some russian-speaking estonian media resource ended with him

addressing me in ukrainian in this russian-language interview and i said, and now i'm turning to those who will understand me in this language, in the tart, i don't really appreciate it. come to our event and we'll get along. well , you understand that when a ukrainian woman hears a russian speaking in ukrainian, come here. we're with you . let's understand the only instinctive desire ukrainians are fleeing to the west, which i did not during the primalist literary festival, my version, that is, my version. why did the estonians understand me because i had already spent several weeks with them at that time ? uh, i walk their streets there, that is, i mean, i'm still not not there, i don't understand this culture, that is, i don't understand everything about this community, but i'm in the middle, a little,

a little, no, i came to berlin for four days, i went from berlin and i think that here our e residents for us, it works, dialogue works where the voice of a ukrainian is the voice of someone who knows the environment, for example, irena karpa, who lives in france and knows the french context. she can explain to a frenchman and if i come and start explaining something to the french, it is guaranteed that they will not understand me, but irene, they will understand or even korzhi who lives in berlin is part of this berlin landscape, he can explain to the berlin general staff, or for shiyan, who has been living in brussels for almost two years, she can explain something to the belgian public to explain, and therefore you can see our beautiful professorship, ukrainianists who are at harvard or

in other american and american universities and in general all over the world, they can explain, that is, i think that we should bring out this voice that will be understood where we understand the culture, where in we have this access, one of the best examples for me is when we explain what is happening to us, this is a project that was made by a married woman and a post-bellum e-e on the day e-e on the day e-e of the struggle for democracy and freedom in my opinion , that's how it's called the day e-e revolutions in of the prague spring of prague. they brought czech cars of harm that were shot during the evacuation. they brought these cars to the czech republic and described their history. they stood on the square in several places and there were terrible

cars in these ruins, and the history of the czech republic and skoda was described for them. this is a car they use to get groceries and take their children to school, and the czechs have seen this car in their daily lives and read its history and understood us very well, obviously the czechs understand us in principle, but if you imagine such a car, i don't know any bmws, such bmws or hmm bmw, unfortunately, we also have those standing in berlin , this is the moment when you , when you enter the territory of everyday life for europeans. we descend to this level of normal life and show how little of a normal life you and i have left . this was olena huseinova, a poet and my colleague . by the way, a journalist is one of the two poets who

refused to participate in the e-literary the estonian prima vista festival and what a scandal happened later because of all this, why will we monitor the communication and interaction of ukrainian artists and russian artists on various international platforms , how effective will the theses of ukrainian cultural representatives be, and in the future , i conclude that we are also learning in in principle , we have an optimistic future, that's all for me , friends. i wish you a peaceful evening. all the best . in ukraine, 17:00 news time on the